Atlantis Found In New Orleans, T-Rex Handbags, and Shark Attack Mania.

In this episode Trey details the "discovery" of Atlantis off the coast of New Orleans, right where everyone expected it! 

Also - did you know a company has used T-Rex biological matter to create a handbag! Well, Trey breaks down the real story. 

The Monster Quest this time is S04E1: "Monster Sharks" 

MonsterQuest investigates great white sharks whose attacks on humans are on the rise. It follows an expedition in an attempt to tag the first great white in the Atlantic.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to the Plastic Pleasing Store Podcast.

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We are your hosts, Trey the Explainer.

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And me, Miles Grabb.

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A podcast about the natural world.

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Things that people claim are part of the natural world.

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And things that used to be.

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Trey, we're back. It's the first episode since the new Patterson Gimblin film, the Bombsnell, has dropped on cryptozoology.

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Since the world has changed. We're in a post post-Patterson Gimblin world.

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I can feel it in the water.

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The world has changed.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Yeah, so ironically, our last episode, which did really well, thanks everybody for all the kind words about it. We broke down the Yeti, which is basically uh what Bigfoot is, anyway, in my estimation. You know, Bigfoot is an attempt to make a North American Yeti. Um well, the biggest source for Bigfoot, the most pronounced, respected piece of cryptosological media there is, I think probably the most watched video produced by North America. That's not like a movie, like you know, not Star Wars, but like just a film, like a little film reel.

SPEAKER_07 1:14

Would you say that it it has it has um the uh Zebruder film beat?

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Yes, yes, I do.

SPEAKER_07 1:19

Um okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

I I look the iconography of that, um Patty's like walk, her gaunt is everywhere. It's symbolic. It you know, sports teams are named after it, restaurants are named after it, drinks. It is a is a part of our culture. Um it is it is an ever-enduring thing, and most of the belief uh has continued on because of this one video, which now to now appears um to have been well demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt to have been a hoax by the upcoming uh Bigfoot video that was released uh in South by Southwest. Uh I have not seen the new footage. Um but but few people have. Yeah, few people have.

SPEAKER_07 2:02

Like there's a like we so far we only have just reports of people who were at the con or at the film festival and have said, like, and some of them were big for believers who really found it compelling.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:14

Um to the point like like apparently Jeff Meldrum, the late Jeff Meldrum's apparently in the documentary, and he he is is apparently swayed by the the new evidence. So it's very, very intriguing. Um, I was gonna say that like, yeah, the the the documentary has not found a distributor yet. I emailed the director um and he is he is interested to come on the show and talk to us. Um he said he said at a closer date to the release. Sure. But the thing is that that release is is not known yet, so we will see. I will I will check back with him after after we record this episode when when if he has any clearer date. Because this is very exciting.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Very exciting. Um, it's just interesting, you know, it's a piece of American history, this whole thing, right? These guys, in my perspective, um, faked out the whole nation and created a massive myth, you know? Um, and so everything that will goes into that. It's like one of the it's like the greatest prank uh of you know our culture, pretty much. Like, and these guys pulled it off. Um, so there is the opinion out there that people are upset that this is not widely viewable at the moment and that the footage is not just you know there for you to watch. I also am frustrated I cannot see it, but I understand the man put money into acquiring the stuff, making a movie, you know, thinks costs money, like he's trying to get money back out of his investment. I can understand that. Um, I do hope that we could get a screening of it um to be able to speak about it with more authority on our show, though. So we're looking at we're looking into that.

SPEAKER_07 3:55

Me too. Because yeah, and the fact that it's only been screened at one film festival is is kind of kind of crazy. Like at least to at least do a couple, right? Like one or two.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Why is there one not up here, man? I'm in Seattle, right?

SPEAKER_07 4:07

Like it's in where's the where's this uh South by Southwest? Austin, Austin, only been screened in Austin.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

We got Sif up here, dude. I I should get an invitation, by the way.

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Come on.

SPEAKER_07 4:17

And the for people at home, uh the documentary is called Capturing Bigfoot, yeah, and the director is Mark Evans. And as far as we know, as far as we've heard, it it is some very, very compelling stuff. It blows the lid off of Patterson Gimlin film, and Bigfoot believers uh who also have not been able to watch the film are like tearing their hair out about it. Right by Ray Miles, it's uh it's uh it's been a it's been a bombshow, and I don't think anybody expected that this was gonna happen. I think most people just assume that it would be uh it would remain a mystery for the rest of time.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

So I spoke to Doug Hijack, producer of Monster Quest, about it, and he poo-pooed it basically and said it's all bullshit.

SPEAKER_07 5:00

Um has he seen it?

SPEAKER_00 5:02

No.

SPEAKER_07 5:02

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

But he was very cynical in its ability to you know explain anything and said that the suit could not be faked, you know. So uh yeah, I uh if I were him, I would um have a more wait-and-see approach to this information. Like, look, I I'm obviously of the opinion that it is approaching zero, that there's any chance that there is some unknown large, you know, hominid ape-type creature in the Americas that's undiscovered. Um, I don't think that there was one previously. I don't think there's one now. Um it's not zero, but it's approaching zero. So obviously it doesn't move the needle that far in terms of anything for me, but what it proved that this video is faked, yeah, which has been my hypothesis for quite a while. I mean, you know, we talked about it in detail when we did our uh Killing Bigfoot episode about, you know, I'm pretty sure these guys, these guys are making a TV show, they had a plan, they faked this, it was all set up, you know. The exact events are seem l pretty much like what I predicted. I'm not the only one, but um, but we'll see, right? We'll see. Like one thing too, like people always say that the suit couldn't be faked, all you couldn't reproduce it and everything. You know, I always tell them that, like, try to reproduce a scene from Star Wars 1977, right? Like, like you cannot do it. You like film technology doesn't work that way, settings don't work that way. You can't just recapture something, it it's it doesn't work that way. So uh yeah, it when you see this film, if it's on the same film tech, if it has that weird frame rate and that grain and everything, and and you see a man in a suit, I th I think it's gonna it'll kill the myth. And put a an arrow of science right through its ghostly heart.

SPEAKER_07 6:50

It it certainly sounds like it from the reports that we print back. And and and keep in mind, like one of the reporter reporters is a Bigfoot believer. This is Bigfoot Road or something like that. Like uh he he is he operates like a Bigfoot YouTube channel, and he apparently like was like that's it, it's the suit. Like when he was d uh like talking about coming home from the festival after after the screening, he like was like, Yeah, it it is the patty suit. Like it literally just is it, and I was like, Whoa, must be really compelling if that's the case. So yeah, but again, you're right, we have to wait and see because uh like we're hearing stuff secondhand. And like that's the thing is the the documentary is not just the new film evidence, it's talking to Roger, Roger Patterson's son and wife, um, who apparently uh have are giving inside details that they've kind of kept secret for a while. So um very curious, very curious. There's a lot, there's a lot to go in here um with this with this documentary, you know. It'll definitely shake up the community, um, which it's already doing, so be divisive.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Yeah, and um in some positive science news. Um humans have made it further away from Earth than they ever have before. Um, of course, we're talking about the Artemis III, which is a series of missions by NASA um to reposition ourselves to the moon and possibly build a moon base. Um I'm very excited about Artemis altogether. I have long said that the I understand the desire to go to Mars, but we need to actually establish the moon properly before we would do so. Uh I'm definitely a believer in space exploration. Uh I understand that for a lot of practical reasons. Sending probes and and robotics are superior to manned missions, but that's not how we evolved, and that's not how we think, and that's not how we inspire each other. Um we do it by doing it. It means something to to have humans do it. Um, the experience that they can share and they can articulate can't just be copied by the raw data of machinery. Um and you know, it's it's why go why go back to the moon? Um, the you know, the there's a lot to learn. When we were there last time, we had you know 60s technology. Uh it it was rough going there. We can only bring so much stuff, the our ability to perceive things or understanding is not what it is now, and we will learn a vast amount of things that may seem simple, but they will uh they will really matter going forward. So I'm excited about it.

SPEAKER_07 9:39

Well, I'm excited. The thing you're you're totally right that having like a manned mission has changed things. Like you see way more, like I was way more excited about a manned mission as opposed to probes. Like they do probes so so much, and this has captured everybody's imagination and excitement. And there's something very powerful about literal human beings, like living, breathing humans like me and you going out there, you know, and and taking the risk, um, and physically being there as opposed to monitoring from from afar with the probe. Like there's something very special that that excites us in a way that the probes don't. So it's been a really amazing time. I I tweeted about it. It's an amazing time, it's a very exciting time to look up in in the sky and be like, wow, there's people all the way out by the moon right now. Like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Yeah, and you know, um, just to be honest, like politically, there's a lot of reasons to be very ashamed of the country that I lived in, uh I live in. The I I don't trust their government or what we're doing in many different ways. But one thing I feel like you can be patriotic about or proud about is, you know, our space program has been excellent for a long time. And it's good to see the investment in that and and us lead in that. And, you know, these are our our achievements for all mankind absolutely as well. But you know, like it is America that has um made it to the moon and is going back to the moon, and you know, it's something good we can do with all this money that we have instead of all the bad that we're doing. So, you know, I guess that's something positive to focus on with all this uh, you know, very un I don't I don't know the right word to get into everything that we're fucking doing, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:21

Yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree. It it's it's uh it's a bright light in in the kind of dark, dark, depressing times we're kind of living through. Um it's very, very inspiring. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Yeah. Uh so we're going to have uh my friend Holly, who's actually working on the Artemis mission on a future episode very soon. We're gonna have her on today, but on account of you know Artemis needing her, uh, she wasn't available, so we're recording it out here, but we'll have her on soon. Uh but yeah, it's it's it's exciting, you know. That that thing's going Mach 32 out there, you know, like up around the moon. It's it's pretty crazy. Like there's only four people on board, uh, three Americans uh and one Canadian, you know. Um it it's interesting seeing up there. It's it's a lot different looking than the Apollo missions, you know, that the cabinet, like just seeing them. Uh it and it's uh they're only on a 10-day mission, so like they loop around the world, do the gravity assist, you know, go up on the dark side of the moon, get a bunch of new photography, and come back. Um so 10 10-day mission's pretty good, right?

SPEAKER_07 12:27

Um it's cool, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

And uh Artemis 4, uh, which is supposed to be 2028, that's a Boots on the Ground mission.

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So that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_07 12:40

I I was watching a space documentary right now, and that apparently like there's the there's there's another NASA mission that's gonna fly by Europa in the ice moons, yeah, which is 2030, I think.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

Well, yeah, we'll see. Gotta get gotta get Artemis stuff going first, you know.

SPEAKER_07 12:55

Juicy, juicy, uh sorry, sorry, Jupiter Ice Moons Explorer. What is this? Okay, this is European Space Agency. There's another there's another um NASA one that is also in the in the works, too.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Did you know when uh the moon landing stuff first started, uh Russia crashed land the USSR crash-landed uh a probe first on the moon. Um like no, we weren't sure either NASA or the USSR, like what the surface would be like. Some people feared it would be just like an infinite pit of dust, like like almost like a like like dust quicksand almost. Like they just sink into like powder, like like you're dropping into a giant bag of fucking flour. That's how some people they were worried about that.

SPEAKER_07 13:40

So yeah, it's kind of that's the thing with this stuff, is it's like the first time. Like we're like, like sometimes like scientists speak with such uh confidence a lot of times, and all another other times it's like, well, we don't know. This is the first time, you know. Oh, we're not sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yeah, like like like with Oppenheimer, right? They're like, Oh, like what happens the atmosphere. They're like, We're 98% sure it will not ignite the atmosphere. Like, what? Yeah, like 98% sure. It's probably not going to burn us all in an infinite fiery holocaust. Like, probably not. Like, oh, all right, that's that's good, man.

SPEAKER_07 14:15

That's good. I love that with science. It's like we don't know. We're pretty certain that it's not, but we don't know. Um it's fascinating. I love when science is like that.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

But uh I I I have a um I've been researching a big story uh about space stuff I want to cover, about the um some certain space history stuff I want to talk about in the podcast, but I'm I'm gonna wait on the story until when Holly's on, so we'll get more into that later. But uh my boy Trey has some stuff he wants to share.

SPEAKER_07 14:45

I had some stuff. I have I have uh I have two stories today. I had a third story, but I was like the two other ones.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Two wars. Ben the soldier's here with us, folks, and I want to talk to him because then it's my understanding that there is a war going on right now. Am I right in this? Well, actually, there are two wars. We're in the midst of two wars, people that now the United States of America is engaged in both of these wars. We're fighting two America is involved in these wars?

SPEAKER_06 15:19

Let me get this straight. That's it. It's always funny.

SPEAKER_07 15:24

Um so I have I have I had three stories, but I I think I'm shorting it down to to two. Let's do two. The third the third story wasn't that interesting. I was like, oh, I was really straight reaching for it. So okay, story number one. Story wonder one. A friend told me this. We were we were getting dinner.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

So a friend told me.

SPEAKER_07 15:45

A friend told me we were getting dinner and they told me that uh that Atlantis is in Louisiana. They saw a new story. Oh Atlantis is in Louisiana.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

So so does this mean Plato knew about the new world?

SPEAKER_07 15:59

I I get that that the the Atlanteans were Cajun.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Disgusting. I don't even want to find it anymore. Who cares now? I always thought they were gonna be like sexy blue ladies, you know, and like but if it's just Cajun people, it's fine. We can go find that right now.

SPEAKER_07 16:18

I love Atlantis, and Bagaj must be mocked, right? That's like Atlantis mocked the gods, that's why they yeah. Um, yes, okay, and he was like, he was like, Yeah, like uh like we were talking about okay, I was talking about a video like talking about the Mississippian culture, like the mound builders in North America. And he said, and he was like, Well, did you know that they discovered an underwater mound off the coast of Louisiana? And I was like, Oh, that's interesting. I I did not know that. Um, but that's not beyond like the realms of possibility. Like I know Florida they have Mound Key and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Well, plus coastlines change, right?

SPEAKER_07 16:53

Coastlines change, there's flooding. But then they said that it's a 12,000-year-old mound, and I was like, This person know who they were talking to. I was like, huh. Uh like I because whenever this happens, I try to be nice about it. I'm like, huh. I did not know that. I think that you know, I was like the Mississippian culture was more more like 1300s, like the 1100, 1300 AD, you know, it's not 12,000, like like 12,000 years ago, there weren't any real mounds or any mega projects or anything. Um, so that's something I was like, I are you adding an extra zero there, or or you misread something? And he was very confident that it was 12,000 years ago. And I was like, huh, okay. And I and sure enough, I looked it up and he was at least quoting the article correctly. And sure enough, the article, here's the article. The article is titled 12,000-year-old pyramid ruins uncovered off Louisiana Coast could be evidence of a lost city. And I was like, huh. And and and of course, Miles, if you look at our our notes here, I I have a picture of what the article posted as the placeholder image.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Okay, hold on. In in in our Google Doc.

SPEAKER_07 18:06

In our Google Doc here.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

I'm scrolling up. Okay, yeah, that's it. That's what it looked like. It looks like Greece.

SPEAKER_07 18:13

It looks like ancient Greece. I got the ruins. It looked, they got like they got like the facades of like the temple of Ephesus, I think.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Uh I like how this I like how this is like 80 feet underwater.

SPEAKER_07 18:25

And it's it's beautiful. Like it looks like something out of SpongeBob. Nice little fish. This is painful for me to look at because I can see that these are many different architectural styles.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yeah, because the one at the house on the right is not Greek.

SPEAKER_07 18:38

Like yes, that looks very um or something.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 18:44

Yeah, like it look, it looks like middle eight, like Renaissance period. You got like kind of a Roman style building, then you have like Greek.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Yeah, it's like it's like 800 years later. Right.

SPEAKER_07 18:53

Like they just kind of some somebody just like has pasted these random buildings, but like to the untrained eye, somebody's gonna be like, oh, that's ancient. Um, but yes, okay, Atlantis is off the coast of Louisiana, apparently. And I was like, huh, I I have not heard this.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Am I gonna have to play the lost city of Atlanta clip again?

SPEAKER_07 19:10

I was like, oh, I was thinking about this with you, Miles. Like the Atlanteans are Atlanteans, like you know, like they're Georgians, they're drinking Coca-Cola.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Futurama is right every time, man.

SPEAKER_07 19:20

The Coca-Cola like mutated them, right? It like accelerated their evolution. I love I love Futurama's really funny in some. Um, so I was like, okay, what's the story here? Like, is there actually a basis to this or or not? Like, what's going on here? Why is there 12,000-year-old pyramid ruins off the coast of Louisiana? Because like I was like, I've never heard this, you know, like the eight, like the dating's really off to me. Like, I would believe maybe a mound off the coast of Louisiana, but I it probably wouldn't date to this time because this is like this is before like Ur, you know, like this is before Ur, this is before Globecate Tepe. Like, Globecca Tepe is like the oldest kind of mega project that we know of.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Has Graham Hancock retweeted this story yet?

SPEAKER_07 20:03

That would I was gonna bring this up. Like, it sounds like something Grant Hancock, and I don't know if Graham Hancock even believes in this one. Like, I think Grant Hancock is like this guy's I I don't I don't I don't believe this.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Is there money if is there money in it? Because if so, I'm sure he does.

SPEAKER_07 20:19

Because I'm sure he would get along with this guy. So, okay, the story originates. I checked up on it. The storage originates with a retired architect named George Gallet, um, who is an ex-architect or ex-architect, retired architect living in Louisiana with his wife, and he has claimed for 50 years that he has been capturing sonar images of structures off the coast of Chandelore Islands, um, a barrier island in the Gulf of Mexico, uh, east of New Orleans, 50 years east of New Orleans. Um, and he claims that there is here, I'm trying to pull up his like you get to see his little documents and the like they don't really focus on it because it looks crazy, but they oh man, yeah. Here we go, Miles. I'm gonna post this in the Google Doc right next to the the picture. I don't know if you'd see this. Okay, this is interesting. Okay, I'm looking at stuff in his little diagrams because in the documentary, it like in the it there was a clip of like an interview of him showing off his diagrams and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Can I read what's in the middle there?

SPEAKER_07 21:25

Yes, definitely read what's in the middle. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Built at the same time as Atlantean Pyramid of Giza. God damn it.

SPEAKER_07 21:36

And it's like he look at the and look at this, Miles. It says today's water level 20 feet, and then it's like, what does he claim? It's like 80 feet buried beneath even that. Like, uh so this guy, this this architect who has a boat, he basically is like taking a sonar thing and has convinced it in himself that there is a lost city with a 250 foot pyramid jutting. From the ocean floor, but the pyramid is buried beneath like all the okay, all the entire 250-foot tall pyramid is buried beneath sediment. So so it's located 30 feet below the water surface and buried underneath an additional 100 feet of sediment. So like I don't know how he's getting these sonar readings, but here's also and he has he has apparently recovered pieces of the pyramid. He claims that they're blocks of granite. He like uh dove or or something. He got he got granite blocks that he claims are rain gutters from the city.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

Um rain gutters.

SPEAKER_07 22:41

Rain gutters, yeah, yeah. They're pieces of like they look like like stone, they look almost like concrete. Um he says that these pieces form a former civilization which he has dubbed Crescentis, which dates to 11,700 years to the end of the last ice age when rising seas inundated the coast. Um, so he is, and he claims okay, here this is where it kind of gets a little funny here. He claims that this the pyramid emits a powerful electromagnetic signature that affects passing boats.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Okay, that is a very falsifiable claim. That's great. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_07 23:19

And and to back this up, he has a local shrimper named Ricky Robin who ferried Galais to the site numerous occasions, and he claims that his boat's gadgets started to shake strangely when he passed over the location. He says, I thought right away it was uh I thought right away it was pieces of the pier because it was right around where the compass spun, the prawner's claimed. Everything will go out on your boat, all your electronics like you were in the Bermuda Triangle.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

So I like this because it's uh really stupid. Um also how how awesome is it to be like the things that we're looking for that prove this ancient past are just like pyramids. Because it's a pyramid just like a natural mound shape, you know. You can you can get yourself a mound looking shape anywhere, you know. It's fun because you find anything vaguely mound-like, and you're you're in for it, man. You got you got a whole little thing to post. Awesome.

SPEAKER_07 24:22

It's it's uh it's really something like okay. Mormons really like Mormons are apparently very fond of this story. There's a Mormon website that claims George Gallet discovered a granite city predating ancient Inca, Maya, Aztec, and there is a pyramid in the granite city he claims crescentis. So yes, and then that there's like a tornado. If you look at the the little diagram that you read, Miles, there's a tornado directly above the pyramid.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Why?

SPEAKER_07 24:52

Because it's it's producing electromagnetic power that that causes um the water that causes the the ship, the boats to the electronics to go out on the boats, according to this prawner. Um yes. So this is where the story comes. It basically is just this one like former architect, retired architect, who claims that he can get like like what does he claim? Like he has like these pings, these sonar images of a structure off the islands that's buried underwater underneath a hundred feet of sediment. Um, and he has these little pieces of of granite that he claims is is is parts of the pier, parts of the city. Um but based on very, very little evidence, seemingly. It looks like a lot of this is made up by him.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Oh, you don't you don't believe this?

SPEAKER_07 25:45

I don't believe this. I don't believe this because there's very there's basically no evidence. Um archaeologists who have examined the stones that he claims are part of the city.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Um well claims are rain gutters, a lot, lots of meditation rain gutters, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:01

They claims that the city had rain gutters, stone great rain gutters. Archaeologists who have examined the stones, um, and people have this is not really a news story, like this, like a like an art a website was just promoted it and it kind of blew up. Um, who have examined the stones, archaeologists who examined stones and uh have are have said that they're likely modern stones, they're not ancient. Um, and they were probably used for either ballast on a ship and were thrown over or are reef-building material, like modern stuff from like the the 40s or 50s that have been thrown into the water to help build build a reef there, and it's not ancient. But of course, this guy disagrees um with that. George Gallet disagrees with this and that. This is this is an Atlantean pyramid. Um because he you're right that he he has the Graham Hancock narrative that there are like wizards, um ancient ancient wizards that that dominate the whole world. Magicians, sorry, magicians that dominate the whole world, and uh and the and then the ice age the ice age came to an end and the water flooded it and hit all the evidence.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Um yeah, he believes in in massive harmonic telekinetic chanting, and that this is magic too.

SPEAKER_07 27:14

Like he very clearly believes in some kind of like magic spiritual thing associated with pyramid.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Yeah, he just lies about it, but you know. Our Graham Hancock video, you know, I dropped the receipts in there. He's he's full of shit.

SPEAKER_07 27:27

This is this is yeah, this is full of shit. So let me see if this guy actually I'm gonna do Graham Hancock. Graham Hancock, if Graham Hancock likes this guy or not. Um, it doesn't look like they. Oh no, no, you're right. Graham Hancock's official website has Chrysentis on it, a web page about about Crescentis. So yeah, he he seemingly believes in it. Yeah, I know. Look at this, look at this. Um, somebody posted in the and it's like I asked Grok to provide his best argument in support of Gallet's findings. Um yes, let me ask Rock. Um so yeah, it seems like Graham Hancock might be favorable to this this uh belief. It was interesting getting to the bottom of it because you I got to see like people's outside opinion that they just read the article headline and you know they don't know who this guy is. They like they know that they don't realize that this is not an archaeologist, no archaeologist is really involved in this. And his ev this guy's evidence, like George Gallet, his evidence is that he he really doesn't have evidence, right? He just has like these like granite that he claims are rain gutters that uh that actual scientists are like, ah, these are modern, dude, like these aren't ancient. So and then he's like, Well, that there's more evidence of the pyramid, but it's hidden under sediment, a hundred feet of sediment, so I can't show you it, but it's there. And the the evidence is that it has it has an electromagnetic energy tornado that messes with the instruments on a boat.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Well, then show that. Make that a paper. That's a paper, right? Like if that is of such a uh it either is true or it's not claim, right? So like do that, prove that, get that peer-reviewed, and then people will actually probably spend money to figure out why that's happening. Right, you know, so like actually do this thing called fucking science. If if you want to be a scientist so bad, learn how to kick.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Take one karate class if you're so into karate, you know?

SPEAKER_07 29:25

Yeah. Because if there is an actual crazy natural phenomenon, like physics, physicists, like physic physics guys, physics scientists would would love would love to examine it, right? They would love to get their instruments over there and be like, oh, what's causing this?

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Sounds cool, man. You you found torn you found tornado pyramid thing. Okay, show us the tornadoes. That's it's that simple.

SPEAKER_07 29:46

Yeah, so you can't just say shit. Which this isn't, it just sounds like you're saying shit. And he just he pulls up these little pictures, he pulls up these little diagrams, um, but he doesn't have any evidence. Um, built at the same time as Atlantean Pyramid of Giza. Also, like, you know, he very clearly does not agree with the other archaeologists' dating of the pyramid of Giza, um, that we know the the age of the pyramid of Giza. We know like we literally have documents from people who worked on the pyramid of Giza. We have like papyrus documents, um of like the foreman and like like supply merchants who worked on the pyramid of Giza.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

So, like like they they saw Stargate when they were stoned one time, and like they're not gonna give it up, Trey. Your little document isn't cooler than the movie Stargate.

SPEAKER_07 30:34

So the little the little document of some like ancient Egyptian guy being like, Yes, I supplied six Midas of stones to the pyramid. Like, you know, some very boring and bureaucratic document. Um like here's the thing even like ancient like even ancient Greeks and Egyptians didn't believe Atlanteans made the pyramids. Like they knew who made the pyramids, they knew the pharaohs that made them and stuff. Like what?

SPEAKER_00 31:01

Yeah, well, you know, you you think that until you find the energy tornado coming out of the cajun waters, and then it changes your whole perspective on it.

SPEAKER_07 31:11

So so yeah, so Atlantis is in new New Orleans. Atlantis is in is is near is in Louisiana, according to this guy. So basically it's a nothing burger story. I looked into it and I was excited to maybe learn about some type of Mississippian mound or or Calusa Mound or something, and it wasn't it, it's not. This is like this is just gibberish, you know. Like this is nothing. That'd be cool, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Because like it's always cool finding these like larger uh um like Indian sites, you know. Like, oh yeah. Because like, you know, those people were doing cool stuff too. A lot of them traveled around a lot because you know, there's this hella, there's basically free cows, like buffalo, right? Like, so you just follow the fucking buffalo, you don't need to build thing, follow the buffalo, or it just or just made sense for them to not build out because of whatever. Although, you know, some people did. There's lots of different groups, right? You can't say Indians did this or that because there's a million different cultures, but like whatever they did, it's awesome because like it's cool to see how different humans at different times solve problems with their environment.

SPEAKER_07 32:12

So, right. No, it like it it would like it's interesting. Like, I I would have I would have believed a certain aspect of this story was lost in translation. It seems like there's no no core to this, besides maybe like a a reef building of like exercised by like the the US government or something, like you know, like the Louisiana State back in like like the 50s or 60s or something like that. And that's just this. These are modern stones that this guy is convinced are more interesting than they actually are. So yes, so yes, nothing burger story. Story one, done. Louisiana is really not Atlantis. Um, yeah, like there's probably nothing there. Um, and if there is something there, this guy should. He's been working on this for 50 years, and so you think you get better evidence. Um, but it doesn't look like it. Doesn't look like it. Um, so my second story was kind of is kind of interesting. You saw the smiles. Um, this one kind of like took over. I don't know. The first lab grown T-Rex leather handbag is here. Sold. Sold.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

How much is it?

SPEAKER_07 33:21

And uh it's uh well, well, it hasn't been sold yet, but it's going to be going up for auction, and the starting price is six hundred thousand dollars. Like American dollars, American buckaroonies, yeah, yeah, yeah. Six hundred thousand. So yeah. This was this was a story that everybody kind of like freaked out about. Um, that there is a like people have framed it as scientists create a handbag from T-Rex DNA. Ooh, I'm like seeing bad versions of this story, even worse versions of this story. Um, world's first T-Rex leather product unveiled, one of a kind handbag. That there is okay, a Dutch company named let's see, what's the name of the company here? Um I should say, I should get the company's name here. Um has made has made a handbag, unveiled a handbag, like a like a purse that they are claiming is made out of T-Rex skin.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Okay, we don't have T-Rex skin.

SPEAKER_07 34:25

Right, right. Firstly, like that's like the first thing you're like, well, how? Like how? Like I and for me, I for me in particular, I was like, that makes no sense. Um so they claim, according to the their press release, that they've they the handbag was engineered using reconstructed dinosaur collagen and brought to life without harming a single animal. To engineer leather from an extinct species, the team began with fossilized T-Rex collagen sequences using advanced computational biology and AI modeling. Scientists predicted and reconstructed the remaining genetic information required to form a complete collagen brew plant. This fully synthesized DNA was inserted into a carrier cell line. Billions of these cells were cultivated using lab-grown leather and were integrated into its experimental X product stream. And then they made the the purse, the handbag, which of course looks like a Jurassic Park. It doesn't look like Jurassic Park, it looks like Jurassic World, you know, like has an aesthetic.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

So so if I remember correctly from biology, collagen is just amino acids and proteins, basically, right?

SPEAKER_06 35:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Okay. Um, so they were able to construct using their LLM model how the proteins and amino acids of this T-Rex looked like, and then re-sequence them and then synthesize a collagen extract from that.

SPEAKER_07 36:04

I like I guess, I get like I am struggling. I I went to school for the smiles, and I am struggling to figure out how they got anything out of this, you know. Like, okay, to start out, I know what they're referring to when they talk about fossilized T-Rex collagen sequences. I know the exact fossil that they're talking about. Um, so this is this is something that I know through creationist literature.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

Well, there's the T the T the T is it the lady who said that the Mary Schweitzer? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:35

Yes. They're in 2003 in Montana. I think it's Hell Creek Formation. It probably is Hell Creek Formation. Um, they were transporting uh a fossilized bone from a T-Rex uh like like skeleton, um, and they the bone cracked open. It was a like a leg bone. The leg bone cracked open, and inside later a scientist named Dr. Mary Schweitzer.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

It was cream filling.

SPEAKER_07 37:03

It was cream that there was soft tissue, that there was soft tissue in uh under a microscope, very, very, very small remains of soft tissue under a microscope. Um, that at the time it was believed that there would be no like soft tissue totally deteriorated about after a hundred like one million years. Um after a million years, you really don't have soft tissue. Um and creationists love this story because they're like, well, like there shouldn't be any soft tissue in there. Um that means the earth is not 60, like not billions of years old, and dinosaurs are not 66, 67 million years old either. That this is a recently dead dinosaur, and that there's like when people think of the story, they think of like meat inside, they think of like blood and like bone marrow, you know, they think of like something they eat.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

I I thought of cream filling, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:58

Okay, the truth is it's not. This is like this is like the the like chemical traces of proteins. Um of their highly, highly degraded proteins, and they have been cross-linked, which means that they have been um chemically changed, um, like in the same way that people how you preserve stuff like how you preserve leather or how you preserve a body and formaldehyde, that's through cross-linking, where you you change the protein structure so it doesn't last a longer amount of time. Um, and so at the time people were like, wow, like can you can pro can protein survive this like vast amounts of time? And they kind of basically figured out that like it this is a very, very special case. It was a combination of this cross-linking, which the iron crystals in the blood of the dinosaur must have created cross-linking with inside the bone marrow, like with inside the bone tissue, that the proteins were affected by these iron crystals and changed chemically where they are more durable. And then also the bone that the fact that the these this tissue was sealed inside a hard bone, so there was a double seal. So it was like the combination of the crosslinking, like where it was changed chemically, like formaldehyde, and the preservation of it being like sealed tight inside this bone, meant that the pro the proteins could survive a bit longer, like a much longer than what we're used to. Um and so yeah, and Mary Schweitzer basically was able to prove that pretty definitively. Um notice, Miles, how there was no DNA found. Well, yeah, absolutely no DNA was recovered from this. Um because DNA degrades incredibly fast. You're you're like it's it's pretty like I don't think there's any method by which DNA could survive this amount vast amounts of time.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

Um this is like a taken out by radiation and free radicals and just entropy in general, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 40:03

But they're lucky here where protein some proteins are able to survive highly degraded and chemically changed into past millions of years.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

I mean, so uh so how the LLM how's the LLM?

SPEAKER_07 40:15

I that's that's okay, that's where they lost me. Okay, so we that like okay, Mary Schweitzer is able to recover these highly degraded, chemically altered, cross-linked proteins, right? These very fragmentary traces.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

Mary isn't a creationist, she's just no, she's not a creationist.

SPEAKER_07 40:33

But she was like lauded by creationists at the time, but she's not. Dr. Mary Schweitzer, she's great. She she she has written extensively on this, and and at the time, there were there were other scientists that were really questioning her findings. They're like, this does not seem possible with our current knowledge of of uh biochemistry. Um that's fine.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

Question it, that's fine. People were hard on her. It got it was a big controversy, but you know, I mean, that's how it is.

SPEAKER_07 41:00

Like, because that's annoying because like the creationists took it and ran with it. Because like basically what they were, there were three, there were like multiple options, right? Like, okay, option option one is that what she was looking at under the microscope was not actually soft tissue or something else. Option two was that dinosaurs are not actually as as prehistoric as we thought they were, they're not they're not millions of years old, they're much less, which is what the creationists wanted. And then option three was like, well, maybe this is just a a a bit of biochemistry that we don't understand yet. And basically it was number three, you know? It was basically number three. This is biochemistry that over time we've kind of figured out how it could work.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Um option four.

SPEAKER_07 41:39

Option four time machine machine, option four, time machine. Um, so so we basically were like option three is the most likely, but okay, how we get from that to the because because this eventually happened. It was it there's been similar discoveries after the T-Rex one where there was a triceratops, and I think there was like an Amatosaurus where there were chemical traces inside sealed bone as well. Um so it was able to show that this is it's more common than than previously thought, but it's it's still exceptionally rare. Like you have to have very, very special conditions because like it was basically a bone that was not fully fossilized yet. Like it wasn't almost 100% fossilized, but there was traces, chemical traces of tissue inside still. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:25

What is distinctive about this collagen versus any other collagen?

SPEAKER_07 42:29

That's what I'm trying to figure out, Miles. I don't think there's anything distinctive about it. Because first of all, it's bone collagen, it's collagen from inside the bone. Um, and it has also been cross-linked, you know, it's proteins that have been changed chemically. So they're not even the original proteins that we're looking at. But I'm assuming you could like extrapolate what type what their chemical structure would look like before cross-linking from this. Um, but it's bone collagen, not skin. And then like how it's different. That your point, you're basically making a really good point, Miles, where I think that this is just bullshit. Like they didn't actually use the D the T-Rex collagen at all, they just used a modern animals collagen that's identical if not similar, like similar if not identical to it, and just we're like, well, it's the same type, so we get to say that it's the T-Rex. Like, you know, like it makes no sense. It makes it make it sounds like total bullshit. Because I'm like, because first of all, they're like, unlike some of these articles that said that there was like DNA, like there was no DNA.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

No, no, it's a completely different structure altogether.

SPEAKER_07 43:35

Yeah, scientists create handbag from t-rex DNA. No, totally wrong. There was no DNA recovered, there was no DNA even like examined by Dr. Mary Schweitzer, there was no DNA inserted into anything. It's total bull. Like, that is totally it's misunderstanding it. Um, and then bringing up then bringing up like AI modeling and stuff, like to reconstruct the remaining genetic information required to complete the collagen brain. Roof blueprint, like that doesn't make any sense to me. This fully synthesized DNA was inserted into carrier cell line. It just sounds like they inserted a modern crew modern organism's DNA into something, like and just acted like it was T-Rex. Like, right?

SPEAKER_00 44:15

So, like, like I I'm I'm not an expert on this. Uh, there could be a novel part of it I'm missing. What it seems like to me, someone who does understand LLMs decently, is that you have some information that gives you a bit of a sequence to whatever is possibly novel about this, the the protein structures and stuff that make up the collagen that any one individual animal would have, in this case the T-Rex, right? Um, and you get any data points you have, and you you start that on your graph, and then the LLM, which is a predictive text like deployer, that's what it does. It it is good at predicting what you want to see or hear next. It fills in from that pattern something. So, like if you started with a number sequence and we're trying to get to um like copying 10 digits of pi, it could get from if you type 1, 4, 2 to whatever that sequence is, it could get you there, right? Like that's kind of how they work. So, like it's able to find a structure that could fit with the few data points that it has and just kind of fill in the blanks, almost like a crossword puzzle. Um so like that doesn't fucking mean anything, really, though. Like maybe you made a novel collagen subtype. Sure, that doesn't make it T-Rex collagen.

SPEAKER_07 45:29

Right, right. Because that's the thing, is a lot of like both most biochemistry in in all organisms is conserved. Like the the proteins that you're gonna find in us are gonna be near identical to the proteins in in I don't know, giraffes or or or lizards, you know, like a lot of biochemistry is conserved, so like it's not really special, like like, yeah, sure, like the bone collagen of a T-Rex is gonna be near identical to the bone collagen of a human. Like that stuff is pretty similar.

SPEAKER_00 45:56

Yeah, um, which it sounds like if there is something I'm I'm missing about like how novel, interesting it'd be. If anyone's an expert on that, feel free to leave a comment. Like when I post this on YouTube or whatever. Um, but yeah, I just I don't know, it just seems like bullshit to me, man.

SPEAKER_07 46:09

When when I read this, it sounds like gobbledygook, because like, yeah, like yeah, it does it sounds like nonsense. And and uh so peeps actual scientists have have chipped in here too, or there's Thomas uh Holtz Jr., who's a prominent paleontologist at the University of Maryland. He basically has said um that he thought the leather claim was misleading. What what is this company what this company is doing seems to be fantasy. So I agree with that. Like, you know, I agree with that. This sounds like nonsense, you know? Like it sounds like nothing, they did nothing at all what they they're claiming. Um like they it sounds like they just used modern animal collagen and are are acting like it's t-Rex collagen. Because that's what it sounds like to me. I I don't know whether it would get because it's it's not it's not T-Rex DNA. You're not getting T-Rex DNA and inserting it in there. Um the CEO's response here, Miles. Okay, the CEO of this company, he said, I would like to say, I would like to say that when you do something new for the first time, there's always criticism, criticism. And I think it's I think we're very grateful for that criticism. It's the bedrock of scientific exploration. I think this is the closest anyone has gotten, and we'll probably ever get to creating something that's T-Rex. So he's right about that last part where it's like, yeah, no, you didn't get you didn't get anything like T-Rex. Like, that's probably the truth, is that we're never gonna get anything like T-Rex because there's nothing that really survives that can be reconstructed in a meaningful way, you know. Um but yeah, yeah. And the fact that like this is gonna make probably upwards of a million dollars, right? The all the starting price for the auction is six hundred thousand dollars for this this purse. Um, and of course, like the color, like the the color of the purse where it looks like a Jurassic Park dinosaur, you know, it looks like a Velociraptor skin from the Jurassic World movies or something. Like, that's all fake. Like, that's all that's all like there's really no meaningful contribution of dinosaur in it. Like, there's it's all fake. It's all bullshit, you know. Like you might as well gotten like a piece of cow hide and said that yeah, this is dinosaur, because like uh dinosaur collagen is similar to cow collagen, so that means it's dinosaur. You know, it's it's so bullshit, it's totally bullshit. Um but yeah, it made me aware that like genetics crypto stamps, like crypto scams, you know, like they're almost like the like genetic scams are like this like thing that's like very popular right now for some. Like the direwolf? Like the direwolf. Like this really reminded me of the direwolf thing, where the direwolf was not a direwolf in any real meaningful way, like in the same way that there was no DNA inserted, they were changing sequences that were not even the same sequences in the direwolf analysis that they made. Like there was no meaning in like it was like 18 edits or something like that. It wasn't even that much. Like there was no meaningful like claim backing to give the claim that this is a direwolf, in the same way that there's no meaningful backing to say that this is T-Rex skin.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

But yeah, they made the news though, Trey.

SPEAKER_07 49:19

So it got me it got me talking about it, right? It got me talking about this stupid project. That's uh that's a total bull. Like, I think that's like their argument is that, like, well, like this is a synthetic leather company, and it'll be a net good for humanity that we make leather without harming a single animal. And and that the the dinosaur aspect is just to get clicks, but that's stupid, you know. I think that's stupid still, because that's just dishonest.

SPEAKER_00 49:44

Somebody from Dubai will buy it and uh make money, so goddamn it.

SPEAKER_07 49:51

Dinosaur handbag. Yeah, it pissed me off. This story pissed me off because it just sounds like total and like the new the reporting on it was just really bad. Like it's the dire wolf all over again, you know.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

It's reporters cannot report on science stuff, they just have no fucking ability to do it, like they don't even care, they treat it all just like a headline. It's it's shit, man.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:14

You know, I went to school for journalism, and everything I learned is like antiquated and no one gives a shit. It kind of sucks. Everyone took it all very seriously, like, don't do these things. And I just people just don't care. There's no there's no shame or or you know, this is bad.

SPEAKER_07 50:35

The CEO of Lab Grown Leather LTD worked on producing leather for the handbag from the engineered college and said the T-Rex origin gave it an extra oomph. What does that mean? Like I'm trying to understand like where they even got any any aspect of this as dinosaur. Like, I'm really Okay, d okay, scientists behind the initiative said the material was developed using ancient protein fragments extracted from dinosaur remains that were inserted into an unidentified animal cell to produce collagen that was turned into leather. But like how? Like, how is the because the protein like okay, for like like I said, Miles, the proteins from the Dr. Mary Schweitzer T-Rex fossil are unusable. They're cross-linked proteins. They're they're I'm I I don't know if I'm using my terminology correctly here, but they're denature proteins. They're they're no longer they're no longer used in the way that they originally used. So you can't just like pull those out and then put them back into something. You have to like synthetically create, you know, you have to synthetically create like your own your own version from modern material.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Um well, all they're trying to create is a million dollars.

SPEAKER_07 51:50

Right. Like I guess none of this matters. Like me getting hung up on this, none of this matters because it like in no meaningful way is this is this dinosaur, I guess is my point.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

Well, you know, they're gonna have a million dollars and you're not, so I guess so.

SPEAKER_07 52:07

I guess lying wins. I guess lying works, right?

SPEAKER_00 52:11

I think that has been demonstrably demonstrated at a civilizational level. You need to get on the page with that, buddy. Sorry to tell you.

SPEAKER_06 52:23

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 52:25

Speaking of bull, though, Trey.

SPEAKER_06 52:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

It's time for monster quests.

SPEAKER_05 52:32

Monster quests. Let's start.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

Okay. Now we're not looking at bull sharks. We're looking at the main ones. The main characters of sharkdom. The the species of Bruce himself. We're looking at white sharks, Trey.

SPEAKER_07 53:08

That's right. We're looking at the kid, they're looking at what is the name of this at Monster Sharks. I think it's just called Monster. Monster Sharks. Monster Sharks. This is the the first episode of season four, the final uh season of the original run of Monster Quests.

SPEAKER_01 53:24

That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_07 53:25

So we are getting into the the end of days. Yeah, there's only there's only nine episodes. Oh my god, there's only nine episodes of the show lab. And there's probably some extras, right? We're kind of aware that there's like extra.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Yeah, and there's miss and there's mystery quest, which they do historic, they do historical stuff.

SPEAKER_07 53:41

Oh, I didn't know about mystery. Okay, I'm excited about mystery quest. I've never seen mystery quest.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

It's like Atlantis and bullshit, you know.

SPEAKER_07 53:49

Holy sh I was not aware, Miles. You did not inform me about mystery quest until right now.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

I I I have, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_07 53:56

I just I forgot. I guess I forgot.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Okay, I love you, buddy. It's fine. Um, well, yes, this is uh season four, episode one, monster sharks. And this is this is one of the uh I bet you they do things you we don't think they do, kind of episodes instead of the I bet there's a thing out there you don't think that there's out there episodes. Um these ones are interesting because like I said, when Monster Quest is working, when they're doing what you want, they do go out there and try. Um and I think generally, Trey, they kind of do some stuff this time.

SPEAKER_07 54:32

They do some pretty interesting, they do some pretty interesting stuff this episode. Yeah, I in my notes I called this a glorified shark week special.

SPEAKER_00 54:40

Yeah, I mean that is what it is. It is that uh, you know, so like they bring some legitimate guys on, right? They got we follow Dr. Greg Skolmel, and he's a legitimate shark researcher. He's you know, all if all over shark episodes, mini books, um conservation websites often cite him. He's a he's a legit guy. Um, and then they have Ralph Collier who actually recently passed away like a month ago. Uh he wrote book books on sharks and was also like a pretty well-respected guy. He wrote a lot on shark attacks, which I know some conservation people don't like talking about like as much. You know, there's controversy about that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_07 55:21

He Ralph Collier was interesting to me, where I was interested to see what his I don't I hate to say it like this, like what his angle was. Yeah. Um because he's part of the shark research institute, which is like a private organization. And yeah, where like he focuses on on shark attacks and he really plays up white shark violent behavior.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 55:48

And focuses on it to the point where I think it's a little bit of misinformation that we'll we'll get into in a little bit. Um, and I was and I was like, huh, like what's this guy's deal? Like, I I I can't, I can't like here I said I could I couldn't tell if he was alarmist or passionate. Like, I I couldn't tell like if he was trying to be like overly alarmed, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:10

So I guess we'll get into it. So this episode is about how white sharks, especially in in the Atlantic, but not exclusively there, um are possibly getting up closer to the water, getting larger, and attacking people more, right? Um and you know, that this episode's like what they're like 20 years old now, right? So this is from a while ago. And and so Doug's kind of perspective on this is this is a thing that's happening more, that science may be under reporting. We're gonna check it out and figure out why are there more shark attacks now. Um shark attack, you know, here here's the thing, in my opinion. I I know you have a video about like the Jaws stuff where you talk about some of this, Trey. Um like sharks have like just the pure physics to kill humans very easily, right? So, like, not not all animals that would come in contact and and be curious or scared or attack a human will just kill you, right? You get bit by a possum, you're gonna probably be okay. It's gonna suck, actually. Possum have crazy teeth, but you'll probably live, right? Um, it's just the same. This is a similar, I know this is also a very touchy subject with different dog breeds, right? Some dog breeds might bite you and you'll be fine, some might bite you and you might not be fine, because it's just a matter of raw physics, right? Like the power of their jaw, their strength. Like a shark is a very powerful animal. And when humans do come in contact with sharks and are quote unquote attacked, they are prone to die or be very maimed. And so these are like scary things, I think, because when humans, you know, when you can't walk, when like your normal gravity and your normal ability is taken away from you, and you're in this pseudo-alien world of you know, the water, like something having like being the dominant force that's not human is just it's scary, and especially because they like come from beneath you, like the whole thing is scary, and so I think there's a lot of mania around shark attacks. Um it's not a non-issue because it does happen, people do die, right? But I I think it's often sensationalized.

SPEAKER_07 58:14

Oh, yeah, yeah. In my video good, like this is an old video from like six years ago or something. I had to rewatch it, so I was very curious to see like what's aged well, you know, or or or just even my my editing skills or my research skills. Are they all honed in yet? It was pretty good. I was actually pretty okay with it. But yeah, yeah, like it's with sharks, it's very complicated. Complicated. It's very complicated with sharks where there's like this this there's a level of exaggeration, you know. There's there's alarmist people, and people also just kind of don't like sharks in general because they're scary, creepy little creatures. You know, they look scary, they look mean.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

Um I mean, uh you know, like I I can respect them and like them, and I kind of I mean they do are kind of scary looking at times.

SPEAKER_07 59:03

They get the the black eyes, they're just they have crazy teeth. And you're right, that like they're an animal that is like a doze.

SPEAKER_00 59:10

Dead-eye is like a do shy.

SPEAKER_07 59:12

Like the they're they're they're they're very powerful, and then also like the environment that you encounter them in is is when humans are kind of at their most vulnerable, the ocean. You know, bodies of water we're not really really made for water, we're really bad in water, um, as opposed to other environments. I think we do really single sharks out as opposed to other animals. Um, there's other animals that are way more dangerous than shark sharks and result in more deaths per year.

SPEAKER_00 59:40

Well, more deaths per year don't necessarily go more danger because it's it's opportunity, right?

SPEAKER_07 59:46

Yeah, I get like like um like okay, with sharks, like you get what is it, 60 to 100 tax attacks globally per year. Um I I I wish I had my.

SPEAKER_00 59:59

I know hippos hippos kill more people than sharks, and hippos seem like honri sons of bitches, no doubt.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:03

And and cows kill more people than sharks.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

Yeah, but there's a lot of people around cows and horses. People aren't around sharks as much. I feel like if I was within 20 feet of a shark more often, uh I'd probably die.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:20

Yeah, well, that's with any animal. It's like saying like like lions, you know, like lion attacks.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:25

Oh, if I was within 20 feet of a lion more, I yeah, I'd be killed by a lion.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:31

I don't know why we expect a predator to be particularly safe to be around, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:37

They're fucking a stupid assumption to be like, well, yeah, like you're going into their like it's like being like with sharks in particular. I'm just like, you're going into their their ecosystem. So it's like it's like going into Yosemite National Park or Yellowstone or something like that, and not being concerned about or not be and being surprised when a bear attacks you or something, you know. Um, or like going into the like the the savannah and being surprised that a lion or like a hyena attacks you. It's like, yeah, no shit. Like, like no shit. That's their ecosystem and their predator.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

I always found the term shark-infested waters to be kind of funny because it's like that's not infested. That's that's the boy's home. That's where he is.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:20

Yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree. There's a lot of terminology. I talk about this in my video. There's a lot of terminology with sharks where even like the wording is done in a way that like that puts the blame on sharks more than people, you know. Like, we're we're very quick to put blame on sharks than than on a person.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

Um yeah, like there's some biologists that I think try to be like, oh, they're not scary. And I'm a little bit like no, they're they're a little scary, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:45

Come on, they're a little algria.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:47

Like, I've like fuck that. It's a giant teeth machine that's quicker than you. Like it's a bit, it's a bit scary. But but like I said, that's their home, man. It like the actual like the math of the attack is pretty low, you know, like it doesn't happen that much. I but it doesn't mean it's not scary. Don't mean it's not scary.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:04

There's a lot of ocean, there's a lot of beach, like and and you're right that like I don't know, like there's like like crocodiles are kind of like and alligators are kind of like scary looking animals, and and they're they're dangerous. So you don't don't swim in a swamp, don't swim in a bayou. Like you just know um that there's a risk whenever you do that kind of stuff. Um yeah, but yes, you're right. Okay, back to the Monster Quest episode. You're right that the premise of the episode, the episode opens that white sharks are attacking more often, they're getting bigger, and they are what's the last one? That they're coming closer than ever before?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:41

Yeah, closer than ever before.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:43

Closer than ever before. And uh we can address this later. I think I don't know, like I don't know how quickly I want to get into this stuff, but like, yeah, like basically none of that's true. Like, none of that's true is the truth. Um, that all those claims can be kind of like debunked. Uh, but yeah, yeah. The the episode really kind of plays into some some well-known shark stereotypes, sorry shark myths and stereotypes.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

So they basically go, hey, remember Jaws. Uh sharks are monsters, sharks are gonna eat your ass. Uh and and then they you know do a bunch of monster quest bullshit, and they have a whole lot of stories of people getting attacked by sharks. Yeah, I don't really care. I don't really care about the stories. I mean, I care what the fuck with people. Sorry, you got bit by a shark that sucks ass, man. Um but like I don't care, like scientifically that the individual shark attack stories aren't that interesting to me, right? Uh so in in the episode, like the interesting stuff, actually to me, is uh Greg Skolmel trying to tag a white shark, and then the guy at the end trying to invent a new uh camera method to put on a white shark. Oh yeah, because like those are two bitch of like actual science stuff. Like, um, oh I don't think we need to get in the whole history of Jaws. Like, you have a good video series about that. If anybody wants to know, I I'd recommend you know, this guy, Trey the Explainer, he's really cool. He has a good video, and check that out. Um, they do they do kind of mention a bit of like the the the Lackey Bay, the 2004 shark event, right? Where the white shark went up and they're like, Oh, this is like Jaws. I don't know if you mentioned that in your video.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:21

Oh, yeah, where it was stuck in in the yes, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, and they they wanted to get it out. It was this female big white shark that was trapped in a that got confused or something and got trapped inside like an inlet, and so they had to like get it out. Um in and and yeah, this episode it's basically like the the the the like baby baby's first Jaws documentary, you know. Like, you know, they bring up like the 1915 New Jersey Coast Shark Attacks, which basically like creates this uh the rogue shark theory. Um the rogue shark theory is this this this idea that that sharks can go rogue, they can they can get a taste for human blood and then like hunt humans, like go after humans intentionally, as opposed to the more common idea that most shark attacks are accidental. Most, if not all shark attacks are accidental, um a product of misidentification or just curiosity, and not like them targeting humans, like in like a I got a taste for human blood.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

Not the Indianapolis.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:30

Not the Indianapolis with with with with with uh with Mr. Hoopa. But the this idea that like okay, that they leave that they leave that after biting a person or eating a person, and then now are going after other human beings.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

That's just bullshit. That was a feeding frenzy, which is something you could most fish do, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:05:50

They're like most fish are opportunistic, like yeah, you know, like shark, like white sharks will go after like whale carcasses and stuff. That doesn't mean they like hunt a full grown whale.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Yeah, it just doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:02

Like bull, like bull sharks, for example, like bull sharks will just eat anything. Um, like we're bull or tiger sharks. I'm getting maybe getting them mixed up. There was a really good paper that I read that was um showing the con documenting the content contents of um is it bull shark? Bull shark stomach contacts? Stomach. I get them mixed, I get them uh mixed up. Yes, okay. Bull sharks are the one that I'm thinking of. Yeah, bull shark stomach contacts. We're like they were like porcupines and sheep and cow and and and human remains or human remains inside a bull shark stomach. Um tons of birds, like like just like anything you can think of. And it's because like some sharks are very opportunistic and a lot of stuff ends up in the ocean, you know, just like stuff washes out into the ocean and and things will eat it. Um which might be the case with like the the paper that I was reading was like these human remains might not be like an actual attack because there were no attacks like reported in that area, it might be like a a person disposing of a body, you know, like it might be like a murder victim, um, which is crazy that they might have like discovered that in like a scientific paper. Um, but yeah, sharks like the the anyways, the idea of like the rogue shark, like Jaws, Jar Jaws is the rogue shark where like he actively hunts people, like he is like, I am hunting people.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:25

Well, in the in the fourth one, he tries to kill Brody's wife. Okay, he gets reverse. That was it's Brody's right. And this isn't even Bruce, it's like Bruce's girlfriend.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:37

Like, well, I think two is Bruce's girlfriend, and then uh three is the son. I don't and then he comes back. I think like the one of the sharks comes like is resurrected. Um yeah, but anyways, the origin of like the rogue shark is that okay, basically what happened in New Jersey in 1915, five people were attacked by sh by a shark. I think one died, four survived, and people just assumed that it was the same shark with all five of those attacks, which we do not know. We do not know, and it probably was not. The the thing about that the that time, 1915, was that it was a heat wave and that there were tons of people on the beach at that time. It was a heat wave, people were on the beach. So it just meant that there was more people in in in the area than than than uh than previously.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:27

Um the the Craig, the the marine biologist says he's like, There's more people out there, and we're our ability to track the Sarks is better. So like they're saying, oh, there's more sharks coming in closer, there's more attacks or possibility of attacks because we've had you know more clear the beach warnings, but more clear the beach warnings is probably just better beach reconnaissance, not more sharks.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:52

Which is that segues into like the the attacking more often. There are more attacks now um than 20 years ago along the coast of North America. Um there's there's a little bit of like statistics trickery going on here where you're right that the reporting has just gotten better. More people are people are more aware and people are having a much easier availability to report sightings and attacks than than previously than before. So it I don't know if there even is an increase. Um scientists are aware of this, like aware of this statistical product that after 1993 there's a um an increase in the in this in the the frequency rates of attacks, but it might not represent it probably doesn't represent actual increase, it just is an increase in reporting, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:45

Yeah, and and just because people are swimming next to sharks does not mean that they are in danger of being bitten by that shark. Uh people unknowingly swim next to sharks all the time. Um, like I said, sharks are not actively trying to prey upon humans, except in some extreme events where there's like a feeding frenzy, like I said. You know, like like that's an event where every like they're triggered to biologically, oh, I must consume, everyone's consuming. But like they're not just hunting down, oh, there's a person gonna go snatch them. Doesn't really happen very often. Um, most events are mistaken bites and stuff, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:10:19

So and and the thing is is that majority of the bites are not from white sharks, most are juvenile coastal sharks, like black tips. So, like this this idea that like tiger tiger sharks and black tips, and yeah, like they're they're small, immature sharks that are that are curious. Um like the like the white shark has kind of been falsely accused of of the of making up the brunt. Like people like think when they think of a shark attack, they think of a great white shark. And great white sharks actually amount to very few of the attack in proportion.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:54

These big apex predators that have evolved to have a very large stature, larger than like the other predators, they don't need to fuck around and maybe bite things, right? Like that's the purpose of being the largest is like you can just move in and take the kill, or you know what to kill when it's time to kill it. You're the big fucking guy. You're not gonna just waste calories on, oh, I wonder if I'll take a snack right there. It's just not how it works, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:22

I agree, yeah. Yeah, like there's there is a a segment of like most of these claims in the episode are coming from Ralph Collier, um, who's that that shark research institute guy, and he makes this really strange claim that there are sea like that that white sharks that white sharks in particular have the violent behavior, um, which I I haven't been able to find evidence to support that, that white sharks are more violent than than other sharks. If it seems like the the like black tips and tiger sharks are the more aggressive ones or more, I always say I I'm not a huge shark guy, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:02

Like I I care about the natural world, I like to learn, but I'm not like a major shark guy. But I've always heard tiger sharks are some of the most aggressive. That's like every biologist I've heard talk, that's what they always say.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:13

Yeah, so it's really strange when he claims that white sharks are the one with violent behavior. And he he makes this really strange claim in the episode that white sharks kill seals for fun or sport, and blame and he blames that there has been uh according to him that there's like a rash of unidentified headless seal corpses washing up on California's shore. And he's like, he blames them on great white sharks based on I think no evidence. I think he just blames it on no evidence and claims that these types of like serial killer shark attacks are are happening more often. Um so I was like looking into this if there is like any evidence to back up what he's saying that white sharks are killing seals, eating their heads, and then like leaving them uneaten to wash up on the shore. Um, and I found like a Reddit article at the time talking, like a post on Reddit, somebody talking about this, that there is a substantial number washed up on the coast of California this year. Um, in the in the Monster Quest episode, he says this a substantial number washed up on California coast this year, but he doesn't give us an exact number, which made me very suspicious. And so that's when I found this like Reddit post of somebody talking about this at the time. And he basically the person in the the Reddit, again, this is like Reddit. I couldn't find any information on this, Miles. Like that's the thing because I couldn't like the this was the best I could find about his claim. Um and it he the person at the time says like it's more like one or two reports um that in tabloids believed but uh but never proved that it was a trend or significant in any ways. Like people like like Ralph seem to have taken these these anecdotal accounts that happened like once or twice, and then like tried to make it into like some really significant widespread thing that is happening all the time, which it doesn't seem like it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

I can tell you that on a lot of like the shark nerd groups, like their forums and in Reddit, there is a lot of criticism of Ralph, often um claiming that attacks are white sharks when they're tigers, or um bringing up some poorly sourced attacks. Um because you know, like uh History Channel or in Shark Week, they'll have like serial killer Red Sea shark attacks and you know, things titled like that. He's often a guy citing a lot of the evidence for these things, and and sometimes the stuff is not perhaps uh properly sourced.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:43

So yeah, it it like I I if if this is a thing that was happening, like first of all, you need to be able to prove that this is statistically significant, that that headless seals washing up is happening a lot. Um and and then you gotta you then you have to have the second level of like proving that a white shark actually is responsible for this before you make a claim like that. Like for all we know, this is orca or or ships, you know, like like like propellers or something like that. You really need to be able to prove that before you can say that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:14

Orca orca are the ones who like to play with their food and do fucked up stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:18

Right. Like I I've never really heard this about sharks playing with their food, you know. Like I've heard them being curious and taking bites out of things but not eating it. But like I've haven't seen like biting heads off and stuff. Maybe that maybe that like I like I you're right that the behavior sounds more like an orca or like a like a a cetacean, like a whale or something like that, than uh than a shark. Um so that was kind of weird. Like that was I was like like because I wanted more hard concrete evidence for what he was saying. Like, is this actually a trend or not? But he just has like kind of the anecdotal thing. Like it was very similar to the cattle mutilations that we were talking about, where like you take something that is anecdotal and then try to extrapolate it into a trend, and when you don't give like actual numbers, then like this is all like ethereal and we can't really comment on it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:11

Yeah, it's I don't know. Regardless, the episode does have some good parts. Uh right.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:18

Like I was getting I was getting past this stuff where you have this bad, bad, uh, bad science education on sharks. Like, this is pretty I have to say this is pretty bad. Like the a lot of this information is pretty pretty bad, alarmist. Um like this this idea that uh sharks are getting bigger. Oh, I I should address this. There no, that's not true. Like that's not true. Like, I there I read a paper like years ago that was showing statistically like fish around the world, including sharks, are actually shrinking in average size.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:51

Um fish in general are shrinking.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:54

Because people are people are eat killing them before they can grow to old age. Like fish are kind of like like um reptiles and how they grow, where they grow kind of indefinitely as they get older. Um, so basically, people are fishing them or killing them before they can grow to large sizes. It's getting harder for them to grow to large sizes, so they're not getting as big, or we're not seeing them as big, even though they still have the potential to get bigger. So I don't know where they got this idea that sharks are getting bigger because like there's no evidence to support that at all.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:26

There's actually well, see, this is what it is somebody measures a 22-foot shark, and then someone measures a 23-foot shark, and so now they're getting bigger.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:35

That's the thing, is all this is anecdote. Like, that's the problem with shark stuff in general, is you're right, that it's all based on anecdotes. Like, that's where we highlight a story about a guy getting attacked by while swimming when that's just an anecdote. You know, that's an anecdote. That's an it's a sad, tragic anecdote, but you know, like what do we do with that information? That's not some kind of trend, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:55

So the the actual good science in here, and the part of the episode I like, um, is when they when they have Greg go, Greg is trying to tag the first white shark in the Atlantic. Um, according to this episode, it's something that has not done. I tried to look up the history of targing great whites, and I found a lot of conflicting sources. I think uh different people are counting different kinds of tags as the first, um, so that there's some controversy around that. Not that the Monster Quest episode um didn't report any of this accurately, but I think there's different kinds of tags in their capability, and some people count certain ones for certain things. You know, it's a whole bit of minutiae that I don't I'm not fully versed on. Um, but anyways, this and they go out there and they try to tag one. No no white chart in the Atlantic have been tagged for like 20 years or something like that, um with any relevant technology, and they were able to do so right in the episode, which is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:50

They send out they have them like getting in like the the the like Jaws harpooning area, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:56

They send out Bill Bill the Harpooner, Bill the Harpooner, who seemed pretty awesome to me. He's a little older, a little heavy set, but that man knew how to balance that harpoon, you know, and it's funny because they have like Greg like sitting behind him in the monster quest crews all sitting there, and they're like, he's like, Don't miss, man. We you gotta get the shot. And and Bill's like, be impatient because he knows what he's fucking doing, doesn't need you to tell him what to fucking do. And like, yeah, yeah. And then they're like, Oh, he's waiting, and you can tell Greg's like, fucking don't miss this. And he's like, Boom, got it first try. Boom. Because he's Bill the Harpooner. This is what he does, you know. He doesn't he doesn't need your input. And and they tagged that great white shark, so that's good. Uh right for science. I think that's good.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:36

Yeah, I think so. I think probably good.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:39

I don't know enough to dispute it, it seems good. Um and then and then he gets like a lust going on, he's like, I let's do another one. And they do, they get another thing a second one. So I don't know. I I could find no information that told me this wasn't a good thing. Um so it's it seemed positive, you know. Uh so yeah, that was that was cool, I guess, right, Trey?

SPEAKER_07 1:20:03

I agree. I think there's cool. I think there is some. I I'm not gonna be totally devy downer about this episode, Miles. Like, like I think I was I'm I'm pretty devi downer about it. Because you even during that scene, they say the shark was just off the beach with its victims in sight. And it's like, come on, dude. Come on, come on, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:20

That wasn't that that was that that's just that's mania. That's bullshit, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:20:25

Yeah, that's you're you're framing the story as if, like, no, they're just swimming in the general area where people are also swimming. That doesn't mean that it's like hunting victims, you know. Um but you know, I'm too much of a Debbie Downer about this thing, Miles. I I I was too much of a Debbie Downer. But because like I I did like I made a video about it, so I feel like I'm I'm I feel like I'm an expert about it. Um I I I was looking this up, Miles, as you were talking about the the shark tracker, that tag in the shark. Um uh like my during okay, back in Christmas, my parents got me a a Christmas gift that was a a turtle tracker. It was a tracker on a leather back sea turtle named Boots.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:06

Oh hell yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:07

And they're like they were like, Oh yeah, check when uh check when boots has been last sighted. Like, that's exciting. You it'll give you updates on on where the turtle is now. And uh Boots Smiles has not been seen since November 2025.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:21

The sharks have taken him out.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:23

The sharks have taken him out. Like it, like, and my parents will occasionally ask me, like, hey, have you checked up checked updates on the the Christmas Christmas present we got you? And I have to be like, no, I have to be like, no, boots has not been seen since. Like, I have to be like, Boots is probably dead. Like, boots is probably dead.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:41

Um rest in peace, boots. You know, I didn't I didn't I didn't know you, but uh, you know, good I wish you the best and turtle heaven or wherever you got.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:51

Maybe maybe you're still live, boots. We have no confirmed, but yeah, it's like it's kind of like I was thinking about that with the shark. Because yeah, you're right. Did you you said you weren't be able to find any follow-up information on the shark tagging?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:03

Like so I Greg has tagged many sharks. Greg is legitimate, and he is still tagging sharks to this day. I couldn't find any reports on like Monster Quest tagged the first Great White in the Atlantic thing, like they make a big deal in the episode. I couldn't find anything saying that. Like, because this aired in 2010, and I saw reports in 2012 about Great Whites being tagged. So I don't really know because this this was released in January 2010. So it would have been filmed, you know, several months before. Uh so I don't know, man. I couldn't find it. I looked. You know, I didn't do like the craziest deep dive into the research like I might for like a Bigfoot thing, but I could not find I could I could not find it. Um yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:52

The the other really fat like we were watching, you you re you reached out to me, Miles, after you while you're watching the episode. There was a really cool thing that they did that was actually pretty exciting stuff. Like I like that was actually really cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:05

Um yeah, the last thing of the video is uh this one fella makes a new kind of uh camera contraption for white sharks, where it basically is like um the thing you put on the top of like a chip bag to keep it closed, but there's a camera on top of it, and then he's gonna snap that thing onto the fin of the shark. Um and you know, he goes out there uh on his little like smaller boat away from the larger vessel that they had, and he hangs out with the shark coming by him, and they got the the one dude there who's always with him who found who is the found the giant squid, the guy that whenever they go in the water, um that guy was part of the crew, he was in a cage down with the shark.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:52

Um Scott Cassell, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:55

Yeah, yeah. That that dude. He's there with you know Monster Quest's official dive team basically. Uh he's there with him on the mission, he's messing around with the shark in the cage. But our our guy actually does get the clip on the white shark.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:06

Um he he does, like it looks really dangerous. Like this South African guy, he's like leaning out, and he like the shark is like skimming the top of the water, and like he literally like is stretched over out the side of the boat and they're gonna easily fall in the water. And he sh and he gets this giant ass metal camera on the shark.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:27

Um yeah, he could have lost a finger at least or something, or you know, that is he could have fallen in there, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:32

Like, I don't know if like the shark would attack him if he fell in there, but it's still like you don't want to fall in the water with a great way, you know, when it's unprotected.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:40

Yeah, it's not not the best, especially if they're agitated, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:44

Right, like because I'm assuming they're chumming, they're they're chumming, they're getting them excited.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:48

Yeah, I don't not I don't want to do it.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:51

No, I wouldn't do this either.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:52

Maybe someone's like, oh no, they're nice. I yeah, cool, they'd be nice, it'd be nice to you. You have a good time. I ain't gonna do it.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:57

I will say that camera was freaking huge. The camera was like the most like uh intrusive thing. Like, I was like, man, they're gonna put that on the shark. Like the shark's not gonna be able to swim that much with that thing on it. It was this big, it was like a two feet long, it was this huge metal camera. Um like that's when like the technology's gotten a bit better with that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:19

But I was like, whoa, that's so like it didn't stay on that well. Uh, but the proof of concept of it is pretty good. I I imagine nowadays with camera technology, we would not need a real small to do that anymore, right? But you know, this guy had a legitimate invention and it was a legitimate attempt. Um, I don't think any of the footage they got is interesting scientifically, really.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:40

No, no. But I have you have you ever seen Venture Bros Miles?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:45

I've seen every episode of Venture Brothers, of course.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:47

Do you remember the remember the little alien guy that's like ignore me? Yeah, that's kind of like how I felt about the camera. It's like I am here to super, I am here to observe you silently, ignore me. And he's like this like giant, like intrusive alien man.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:11

Like he's like, he's like the watcher from Fantastic Four.

unknown 1:26:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:16

Um yeah, so I don't know, like it was something though, right? Like they made a legitimate marine biology piece of technology that could potentially get you information, and it was a prototype, but they did it. So, like, in this regard, I this was a good monster quest because I actually went out there and tried to acquire new information about real animals. Um, their premise on why they wanted to track these animals uh is a bit dangerous and disingenuous and a bit like anti-shark mania, uh which I don't really like. You know, like these creatures should not be treated like monsters, they were uh constantly called monsters, and that that's not good. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:53

In in this information has kind of caused them to to you know go like almost go extinct, you know. Like Jaws, Jaws like literally caused legislation to be passed like where sharks were considered waste fish, yeah. Like they had no natural value to the ecosystem, so people should kill them as much as they want.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:17

And that's bad.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:18

That's bad. Like, like that's a this stuff affects things, you know. Like this stuff affects like the ecosystem, and if it has like negative perceptions of shark, sharks like literally hurts their conservation.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:32

Um I think we can be honest that you know sharks can be a little scary and and yeah, they they can get people sometimes, but like sharks are not a menace, it's not a growing problem. Sharks are not hunting people down, they're not monsters, they are a predator like any other predator. And if you go into their environment, you should be careful and mindful. Um, but you know, there is not necessarily an antagonistic relationship between the sharks. Shark army and the Homo sapien army. We we don't have beef.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:05

Right. I agree. We should not be enemies, us and sharks. Just we should be carsist of each other. Yeah. Uh I don't know. I don't know if I want to go in the ocean, you know. Like this kind of stuff makes me be like, huh, maybe I shouldn't swim in the ocean. Not that deep, you know, I shouldn't go all the way out. Um and yeah, but there is some cool science being done in this episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:26

I'm more scared of jellyfish, to be honest.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:29

I yeah, but box jellyfish? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:31

Yeah, fuck that. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:36

How many people, let me see, how many people die from box jellyfish per year? Like it let's see if it's more or less than shark. Estimated dozens to over a hundred people from die from box jellyfish each year globally. So it's comparable to to sharks. Because that's the thing with shark smiles, is you're lumping in like probably hundreds of species in that. You know, like all shark attacks. Versus box jellyfishes is one species of of uh that that's what I was talking to you about, like the how many kill quotes.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:11

There's they're very like like you know, there's an opportunity, right? Like you're not rolling the die to see if this thing would kill you that often. You're just not coming in contact with them.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:20

So okay. Okay, on average, about five five to ten people die from unprovoked shark attacks worldwide each year. Last year was 12. So box jelly.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:34

Where are the provoked shark attacks, some guy being like, hey pussy, can yo, big mouth!

SPEAKER_01 1:29:43

Fuck you, bro!

SPEAKER_06 1:29:44

Fuck fucking ugly, fucking ugly teefer is like you know, fuck you. Like, yeah, make a man.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:50

I saw I saw Josh 3D and it sucked.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:54

I'm like picturing a shark, like sharks poking their heads out of water and turning.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:59

Picture Carl from Aqua Teen talking to a shark, is what I'm picturing.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:05

Yeah, okay, so box jellyfish is much, much more dangerous than than than sharks um collectively.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:13

Plus, way less badass to be killed by a box jellyfish than a great.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:16

Yeah, you don't get the you're right that like if you get killed by a shark, people are like, damn, or you survive a shark attack, they're like, fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:23

Well, it's like that's what it took to take out my boy. You know, my boy Chaz, he's out there, nothing could kill him. It took a great white shark to take him out, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:32

But you're like, oh, the book shark attack.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's wearing a shark necklace, you know, and the shark's like, give me my teeth back.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:41

And I I guess like something like the Indianapolis would not be considered an unprovoked shark attack. Like, I think the idea with the Indianapolis was that there's there's blood in the water. Yeah, it's pretty frenzy, yeah. Pretty frenzy, and got them in the the idea that there's food to be had there, yeah. Um, as opposed to just like a normal person just floating in the water.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:02

Um, yeah, you know what? We didn't have to mention this whole time, and I want to give respect to History Channel for not fucking mentioning it, Trey.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:12

What?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:13

Megalodon.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:15

Oh, they did not, you're right that they did not mention Megalodon.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:18

I can't believe it. That's it's like a lot of restraint for them, a lot of maturity. It's a sign of growth. They didn't mention Megalodon, and you know, like respect.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:29

Have they already done it? Like, I am very um I'm very impressed that they didn't mention it even once. That is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:35

It was not quite uh pop culture yet when this show was airing.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:39

Like he Megalodon does have its own episode, though, Miles. Mega Jaws did have its episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:44

Yeah, yeah. But like like it wasn't like Megalodon's like a pseudo-cryptid now, you know, but like he wasn't quite there yet. He grew in popularity.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:54

Because you you're right that we didn't get that crappy document, that fake documentary where they fake Megalodon evidence. You didn't have uh Chase by Sea Monsters, which really cemented Megalodon, and then you haven't had like then you get like the Meg, which the Meg like really cements it as like this thing in pop like everybody like you when you say Megalodon now, people like know what you're talking about. You're right. Like at that time, at that time, people would like not know what you're talking about if you said Megalodon, right? People are like, what the heck are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:24

Oh wow. So okay. Uh what would you rate this episode, Trey?

SPEAKER_07 1:32:29

Um, I'm definitely mixed with it because like it it gives a lot of bad like myths, it promotes tons of bad myths about sharks, tons of bad language. Because we didn't even talk about the part where they were comparing sharks to serial killers, right? The geographics.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:45

Why did I do I totally forgot that that was such bullshit? Oh my god, Trey, how can I okay? This is guy that he's like, yo, serial killers, you know, they'll track you down an alley and they're they're fucked up, man. They're like they'll get you, bro. And like I used like this map and this this data I have on my like i3 laptop, and like I figured out how to track like serial killer hot maps, and like if you overlay the same technology with like a white shark, it's the same, bro. Because like he doesn't talk like serial killer, it's like Jack the Ripper.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:18

Like, they literally mentioned like Jack the Ripper.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:20

Shut the fuck up about Jack the Ripper, he killed four people. He's a fucking amateur.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:24

Like, he was an amateur that like almost got like like I watched a documentary about Jack the Ripper, and it it's crazy to me that like they almost caught Jack the Ripper, like they literally saw the his back and were chasing after him.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:38

Yeah, fuck Jack the Ripper. I'm tired of hearing about everyone's watched a jack documentary about Jack the Ripper, they won't stop talking about this guy. He killed four people, big fucking deal. President of the United States kills four people every second of his life. Um anyway, cut that, cut that. Um uh fuck.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:58

But yes, that was stupid. I agree. That was dumb.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:01

Oh, I can't believe I forgot that. That part was so stupid.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:04

There is a lot of bad shark myths, like just shark mythology, like shark promoting myths, jaws. Like, this is it, it could have like that's the thing, and that's why I don't like shark week a lot, because shark week does say does the same thing where it it stops making them animals and tries to make them monsters and scary. And again, like I just know that this has a negative effect on conservation and just how people treat them. Like it just sucks. It sucks. And just like people promoting these kind of like baseless myths about white sharks being like because they also like have the white the white sharks like biting the heads off of seals, and they're like, they kill for fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:42

This is also a special, too. This is an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:46

It was, it's a long episode, it's a long episode, so it's like they really, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:50

I'm gonna give it a six. I I want to give it higher because they actually do some real stuff, which I appreciate. Um, but the runtime's way too long. This is a full movie, this is 90 minutes, yeah. And didn't need to be 60 of that minutes is literally just stupid lying bullshit, right? Um, and I forgot about the Jack the Ripper thing. Uh which, oh my god, when I heard that, I paused it. I was like, you dumb famous.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:17

You dumb.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:18

Okay, I'm gonna give them 6.5. The half of the stars coming back in in the last second because they didn't mention Megalodon.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:25

So the the South African guy getting the camera on there's pulling a lot of the weight with his episode. Yeah, a lot of the weight. That was actually pretty impressive. Um, and just ballsy, like it was just crazy seeing a guy do that. Um, so I'm gonna be like four or five. Let's just say five.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:46

Yeah, it is it is ranked 54 on the episode chart, which I have just realized now, Trey, unfortunately, is growing because they're adding uh season five, which is the new crappy season onto our list, so it's kind of messing up our thing. Um, yeah, so it's ranked it's ranked just below Tigers in the suburbs and just below Birdzilla at a 6.3, so it's 54 out of, I guess now 76 total episodes because they're counting the new shit. Um which is interesting because I'm looking at this tray, so obviously in the first episode, right, is giant squid found. Um, but number of some of the new episodes are really high on this list. Uh really, for example, Monster Quest episode Hunted, um, which is yeah, I don't know, it's a new one, is ranked fourth on our list. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:41

That must must be really good. Hunt oh, Hunted's the one where it's seen the guy's getting chased by the werewolf thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:47

Well, it says 42 minutes, so I think we maybe just watched one segment of it.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:51

I don't know. Well, it they're they're really gonna impress us in that other segment. Like that's the that's what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:57

I don't know. I'm iffy about these, but yeah, not the best. Uh I am thankful to our our people for keeping um killer jellyfish at the bottom.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:08

Um killer jellyfish.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:10

Yeah, fuck that episode. If you haven't yet, please go rate monster quest episode 75, killer jellyfish, as low as possible. That episode fucking sucks. Uh also not a fan of Gators in the Sewer because I have to hear a man talk about a conspiracy about gators in the sewer, and I just I can't handle it.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:27

The New York sanitation's part of the conspiracy, they're hiding gator attacks. Why? I don't know. I think, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:37:38

So, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:41

So interesting. Next episode, Miles, the monster quest is Hillbilly Beast.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:47

Hillbilly Beast. Yeah, well, that's probably a good one.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:54

I can't wait to hear about your your space exploration story, Miles. That's gonna be really exciting.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:59

Uh, I have a good one, some interesting history, uh, and some shit I was coming in hot from some bullshit I was seeing on Twitter. Um, but yeah, next time we'll have we'll have that. I'll talk about the USSR and space, and uh, we'll have my friend Holly, who's was gonna join us today, but is currently working on the Artemis mission. So she was too cool for us today. But she will join us as soon as we can get there.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:21

She's too cool for us. God damn it. She has to like save, she has to like assist in the the people getting back to Earth.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:27

Like, come on, come on, give real, give real, thanks to all the new people that have uh followed the podcast on YouTube. Uh the YouTube channel grew quite a bit, so that's that's good. Uh I'm trying to get some more videos up there. A bunch of them got taken down, which uh definitely kills my enthusiasm for making them, but I will keep trying to do that. Uh and uh yeah, uh, you know, goodbye, everyone.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:53

Goodbye, goodbye.