Andrea_nannini

00:00

I have a joke for you,

Rudy

00:02

Okay, what are you got?

Andrea_nannini

00:04

so if you've heard it before, just roll with it and pretend like you haven't. I think you'll really get a kick out of this. Okay knock, knock,

Rudy

00:13

Okay? You got it. Who's there?

Andrea_nannini

00:14

an interrupting cow,

Rudy

00:18

An interrupting cow? Who

Rudy

00:23

you mean? an interrupting co host,

Andrea_nannini

00:25

and interrupting me.

Rudy

00:28

an interrupting co host? Yes, there's not been one episode where you've not interrupted me? Hey, I'm Rudy Stanquiwits and I am here with the interruptor

Andrea_nannini

00:36

I'm Andrea.

Rudy

00:38

known for her interrupting skills. She inter. You know what it is? I know she doesn't interject. Uh, interrupt. on purpose. She just gets really excited about things, has no filter and then blurts shit out of her mouth.

Andrea_nannini

00:49

That is exactly. that is exactly correct. You got me, got me pined

Andrea_nannini

00:55

I, I just get excited and I just got to let it out

Rudy

00:59

So today

Rudy

01:02

I wanted to talk about a o. P.

Andrea_nannini

01:06

fantastic.

Rudy

01:09

So do you know anything about a O. P?

Andrea_nannini

01:11

I know some. uh, you're going to put me on the spot and make

Rudy

01:14

Okay,

Andrea_nannini

01:14

me sound stupid, but

Rudy

01:16

I'm not going to do that to you at all. I think you do that enough by

Andrea_nannini

01:19

ooh,

Rudy

01:19

yourself,

Rudy

01:21

so there's no reason to add to the fire. So um,

Rudy

01:26

no, not at all. A ol P is not an easy concept for folks to grasp. Not a lot of people know about it, so I don't want to put you on the spot, But it involves using ozone. It involves using U. V, Um, sometimes a combination of such, so I just wanted to start. What about? what about Youvian? Ozone? How are you there?

Andrea_nannini

01:46

um,

Andrea_nannini

01:47

I mean,

Andrea_nannini

01:48

I have never actually serviced

Andrea_nannini

01:51

any systems. Well, no, well, no, I, uh, I was servicing a pool and they installed

Andrea_nannini

01:58

the hay word ozone

Andrea_nannini

02:02

system I can't remember off the top of my. Is it one of the two? Sorry? I always get them confused. Also, that's another problem that I have. I get them. you know, Swich, switch them out or whatever, sometimes in my head, but I never actually got to Sf.

Rudy

02:14

Okay?

Andrea_nannini

02:14

I never actually got to service the pool after we installed the unit and I'm trying to think.

Andrea_nannini

02:20

Um, I can't think of any other pool that I've had that I know to have been either ozoner U v. So

Rudy

02:26

Well, you know we get. we get U V raiss.

Andrea_nannini

02:27

I movie. I've had U V and spots. See, we started early. I've had U v ra. I've had the U v spas, I've done a couple of

Rudy

02:35

Okay,

Andrea_nannini

02:35

those with the light bulb,

Rudy

02:36

So you know we get y

Rudy

02:40

u V. We get U v from the Sun?

Andrea_nannini

02:42

Mhm,

Rudy

02:42

That's what I was trying to say before I was so not rudely interrupted. But you get U v from the sun And that actually does sanitize a little bit in the pool. It's caused some problems for some folks out in California. If you remember that Um

Rudy

02:58

video with the black balls

Andrea_nannini

03:00

Mhm,

Rudy

03:01

right, do you remember watching the video with

Andrea_nannini

03:03

I do you remember

Rudy

03:03

the black balls where they had to blow them up in the reservoir, and the whole reason they had to put them in the reservoir was to deter the U V rays from reacting with the bromine in the water and forming the disinfection byproduct bromate, which is a carciage and they didn't want that in their drinking water, and for good reason, so U V does actually, Um, from the sun's rays changed some things. We know. It burns off

Andrea_nannini

03:25

Mhm,

Rudy

03:25

chlorine. That's why we use Cyinoric acid, but U v in a pool itself. What we're using it there for is is neither of the two were using it there to destroy contaminants. right bacteria,

Andrea_nannini

03:39

Mhm,

Rudy

03:38

viruses, algae, prodozoa, All those good things, You know how it does it.

Andrea_nannini

03:44

Um,

Andrea_nannini

03:45

No,

Rudy

03:47

Well it has a light.

Andrea_nannini

03:48

I was going to say I, I. I guess I get the concept where it passes in front of the light, and then you know the light shines the

Rudy

03:55

Will you remember the old,

Andrea_nannini

03:55

U. V and does its thing. And so

Rudy

03:58

Remember the old g, e, the g e slogan. So I like to say U V brings good things to light. So what happens is as the contaminants pass the light.

Andrea_nannini

04:08

theyrizeing

Rudy

04:09

Can you step into the light? Andrea, go toward the light as it steps into the light. What happens is is it destroys the internal um. genetics of the cell,

Rudy

04:22

so rendering it completely

Rudy

04:26

And that's how it kills things right. Pretty much so all the water doesn't pass through one shot though, if you've noticed, there's always like a bypass, so you're not sending it all

Andrea_nannini

04:34

right.

Rudy

04:34

through. And one of the problems that we have with U. V is, if the water's cloudy, it's not going to work as efficiently Because of the cloudy water. it's not going to come in contact with everything it needs to come in contact with. Plus that's a key. there. Also, it is a contact

Andrea_nannini

04:50

Mhm, So no residual?

Rudy

04:50

kill right. There's no U. V in the water right. There's no U V. residual. That type of thing just doesn't exist. Okay, so that's U. V. What about ozone?

Andrea_nannini

05:03

No, I don't. I. I know less about ozone.

Rudy

05:07

Well, there's ozone in the atmosphere right

Andrea_nannini

05:11

We have a layer of it.

Rudy

05:11

so and back in the eighties back in the eighties,

Rudy

05:17

all the users of all the users of Aqunt hair spray, which we remember the big hairback in the eighties.

Andrea_nannini

05:22

Mhm.

Rudy

05:23

So I'm I'm sure your mom was part of the crowd that contributed to the ozone layer,

Andrea_nannini

05:28

Mhm,

Rudy

05:28

or was it destroyed the ozone later,

Andrea_nannini

05:30

my aunt was

Rudy

05:31

one or the other

Andrea_nannini

05:31

worse. Yeah, my aunts a hairdresser, so

Rudy

05:34

all the big hair, the big hair people, but ozone, ozone's pretty cool. Ozone happens naturally when lightning strikes. If you've ever been close to a lightning storm When the lightning strikes an electrical storm. not like with rain and stuff, but after the lightning strikes. sometimes you get that odor in the air. You know what I'm talking about, and that smell that you smelt. No,

Andrea_nannini

05:52

I don't know. I don't think so.

Rudy

05:54

So that that smell would be ozoned Because that lightning strike. What happens is it's actually powerful enough to split oxygen molecules, and we know oxygen is O too

Andrea_nannini

06:04

Mhm.

Rudy

06:05

right. So when you split O two and half, what do you get?

Rudy

06:14

Eventually you start with O one. right, Because when you split o two you get an know one and an oh one. While oxygen doesn't want to be O one, it wants to be O. too. So one. Sometimes the O one hooks up with another o one and it lives happily ever after again. But there are other times when an old one hooks up with an existing O two, and they got that three thing going on, which we know is always temporary, Never works out well, But while it's happening, it's one of the most powerful oxidizers that we know of. Here's another one. Maybe this is easier. What about a copy center? Have you ever been in a copy center?

Andrea_nannini

06:48

Like kios.

Rudy

06:50

Yeah,

Andrea_nannini

06:51

Yes, long time ago, I mean, I don't think to have those anymore, But yeah,

Rudy

06:53

okay, but as you as you approach the copy machine, you get that copy machine smell.

Rudy

07:00

you know what I'm talking about.

Andrea_nannini

07:01

I guess yeah, I mean.

Rudy

07:03

Do you live in a fucking box?

Andrea_nannini

07:05

um. So I mean, yeah, I don't. I never worked in like offices and shit.

Rudy

07:10

So that copy machines smell from the light going back and forth, making

Andrea_nannini

07:14

Oh, I think I. I do think I know what you're talking about.

Rudy

07:14

the copies even on a small level. It's it's strong enough to split the oxygen molecules, and that's where we get ozone, Which, like you said before, is O. three. So we got that. So the ozonation that we use on swimming pools does the very same thing. It splits oxygen molecules, and then the way ozone destroys contaminants one. it alters the genetics just like U. V does. it destroys d n A. But it also ruptures the cell membrane

Rudy

07:42

as it passes through.

Rudy

07:44

so it's kinda completely obliverates it. but again only a contact high. I mean a contact kill,

Andrea_nannini

07:52

so obviously if something is some contamin or some whatever,

Andrea_nannini

07:58

dirty

Andrea_nannini

08:00

Rt, some crap If some crap passes, if it doesn't pass through either the ozone,

Rudy

08:05

Goodir, de and guundde,

Andrea_nannini

08:07

the dirty, the dirty birdies. If there's some kind of Schg or something that, if it doesn't come in contact if it doesn't

Rudy

08:14

Okay, we're going to have to. I looked up Schmegg,

Andrea_nannini

08:17

do you know what it is for real? Isn't it gross?

Rudy

08:17

because I, I've used the word before. Yes,

Rudy

08:20

it is, and so we probably shouldn't use that

Andrea_nannini

08:23

I know.

Rudy

08:23

word. Let's come up with some other. How about gack or schmootz?

Andrea_nannini

08:26

How about

Andrea_nannini

08:28

um?

Rudy

08:29

No, schmeg. schmeg Schmeg is

Andrea_nannini

08:31

How about

Rudy

08:31

like from under stuff.

Andrea_nannini

08:34

how about people

Rudy

08:35

What?

Andrea_nannini

08:35

go people?

Rudy

08:37

whatever you want? Let's just you know

Andrea_nannini

08:38

So whatever I mean, whatever contamin you want? What you? whatever you want to call it the nasties, the germys, the coodies. How about that?

Rudy

08:47

fair

Andrea_nannini

08:47

Okay? So if the

Rudy

08:47

enough. I actually may. When I went to get my uh coveage shot, I actually made the person ga me the shot say that, so before they could do it, they had to say circle circle dot dot. Now you got a covet shot. So,

Andrea_nannini

08:58

nice? Yeah,

Rudy

08:59

but

Andrea_nannini

08:59

So if the coies don't don't actually pass through, you know, pass in front of the light bulb or through the, the ozone or whatever it's going to live on

Rudy

09:10

yeah, all the disinfection is done pretty much in the plumbing for ozone, and has done him right at the light for U. V. so it doesn't really go beyond that And that's one of the reasons that we use it as a secondary oxidizer, Right supplemental oxidation. We ne, we don't use it as a primary. The other reason is is that when that pump shuts off, it's not producing ozone, or it's not producing U. V. So there's nothing left in the water to offer the pool any protection. Whereas you know when your pump shuts off at eight o'clock at night on a residential pool when it kicks back on at nine in the morning, there's still a chlorine level in the water, even though we haven't been adding it

Andrea_nannini

09:48

right

Rudy

09:47

throughout, So that's why we always have to maintain

Rudy

09:52

a slight chlorine level when we use either of those systems.

Rudy

09:57

So why am I

Andrea_nannini

09:59

right?

Rudy

09:59

talking about the

Rudy

10:02

right?

Andrea_nannini

10:02

Oh, good question. Why,

Rudy

10:05

Well, because that's kind of how we get to Aoppeal. I mean there's other ways to go about it, but for us, the way we produce a o P, or it's called advanced oxidation process right, which involves us generating hydroxal radicals in sufficient of quantity to effect water purification. That's what we're doing here. So you're familiar with Um. hydroxide, A anion right

Andrea_nannini

10:33

Yes,

Rudy

10:34

like water is H two O. And we've had this discussion before when we talk about salt water pools. So if H, two O passes through the salt cell, which it does just like the everything else that passes through, it's subject to electrolysis and in electrolysis water becomes H, which is

Andrea_nannini

10:53

hydrogen,

Rudy

10:55

correct, and O H negative, which is

Andrea_nannini

10:58

not oxygen,

Rudy

11:01

hydroxxide. Anon. Try that again, an o H, negative weight, an o H negative, which is

Andrea_nannini

11:07

hyd, hydraxxide,

Andrea_nannini

11:09

Inon,

Rudy

11:11

correct. Absolutely. So

Andrea_nannini

11:11

Oh, I guess I knew it. I didn't guess at all.

Rudy

11:16

what a hydroxyal radical is?

Rudy

11:18

It's the neutral form of that hydroxide anon, So it's kind of like we've given ozone in U v steroids.

Andrea_nannini

11:28

Okay,

Rudy

11:29

And what they do is they produce this thing called the hydroxal radio, which again is the the neutral form of the hydroxide anion. And it goes out there with super kiick ass power, and it destroys things much much quicker than ozone could, or than U. V could.

Rudy

11:46

How cool is that

Andrea_nannini

11:48

That's pretty awesome.

Rudy

11:50

it is pretty awesome. It's actually, and it's coming. it's it's out there. It's been out there. It's been around for a long time in swimming pool use, but since this

Rudy

12:00

chlorine

Rudy

12:03

catastrophe that we went through last year, it's actually starting to come back or gain a little bit more life, like a lot of alternative sanitizers are, but a o p is one of them. So like I said, it goes back as far as Oh gosh, well over a hundred years,

Rudy

12:21

but it's just taken a long time before it made its way to swimming mainstream swimming pool water treatment. Um,

Rudy

12:28

so right now, I'd say even right now where we're at now we're probably just at the beginning with a foot in the door, even though it's been used on pools for quite some time, so

Andrea_nannini

12:36

So this is something that you need to have Like this is a combination of things right Like you can't just go like. Oh, I'm going to convert my system to Ap, and then just put in a Uv system and be done with it. That's not what we're talking about

Rudy

12:49

put in your A O, your a o p. Anator. Will we'll just add one of those and have it float around in the pool and bone. There's a

Andrea_nannini

12:56

and everything's good.

Rudy

12:56

o. P. No, Well, it's you're going to have to install a couple of things right. So these things. Luckily for us, these have been around in water treatment for at least forty years right now. as far as treating Um water at municipalities and such, so a lot of the headaches and things like that have been worked out and you know they use it for killing some of the toughest of the tough, Uh, cyinobacteria cryptospiridium, white water mold, and of course cyinobacteria's black algae, So it does take out all of those things very easily. I mean so does U. V and soda's ozone? But this just does it so much faster

Rudy

13:35

you with your background noises.

Andrea_nannini

13:37

I'm sorry. Oh, Should

Rudy

13:38

Andrea_nannini

13:38

I set my phone down on the table?

Andrea_nannini

13:41

I want to at least see if this

Andrea_nannini

13:44

lovely

Rudy

13:45

so you know what it's all about

Andrea_nannini

13:45

person calls me back.

Rudy

13:48

Wi of that woman? All right, Let's let's do this. So what it's all about? It's all about hydrogen peroxide.

Andrea_nannini

13:55

I was going to say

Rudy

13:56

That's what

Andrea_nannini

13:56

that when you say Hdrax so radical, I don't know why, but it makes me think of hydrox pe hydrogen peroxide, I don't know if it's a word association thing, or if I just kind of retained the information and I just don't really realize that I know it

Rudy

14:11

I don't know. It's a mystery.

Andrea_nannini

14:11

kind thing'. a mystery to me.

Andrea_nannini

14:11

kind thing'. a mystery to me.

Rudy

14:15

After half the stuff leaked out of your ear. It's a wonder you have anything left in there to know, So no, this is sohydraxal Radical is the result of dissociation of hydrogen peroxide in every scenario. That's how this hydroxal radical is made. So the product again, Like I said, it's the neutral form of the hydroxide. It's very short lived, but it decomposes organics in or inorganics by a process called cracking, which actually breaks apart the bonds that hold these molecules together.

Andrea_nannini

14:46

Well, wait, can't you not? Um, can't you not mix chlorine and proly Cant you not put a P chlorine in up peroxide pool?

Rudy

14:56

Well, what happens if you put crop perxide in a chlorine pool?

Andrea_nannini

14:59

I don't know it turns brown, doesn't it?

Rudy

15:01

It doesn't turn brown. What

Andrea_nannini

15:03

Oh,

Rudy

15:03

happened in Brazil?

Andrea_nannini

15:04

I don't know what happened in Brazil.

Rudy

15:08

You don't know what happen? How do you not know what happened in Brazil? Oh my God,

Andrea_nannini

15:11

I don't know. a lot of things happen and we have to be specific, Rody. there's a lot of a lot of things that happen.

Rudy

15:16

dealing with swimming. Okay

Andrea_nannini

15:17

I don't know.

Rudy

15:18

back to two thousand Six. Do you remember two thousand sixteen at all, or is that like a good year for weeed?

Andrea_nannini

15:24

Every year is a good reader for weed. Now twenty sixteen, I

Rudy

15:27

Andrea_nannini

15:27

don't really remember now.

Rudy

15:28

twenty sixteen, Brazil, the Olympic games, one of the con, one of the pools, the dive pool turned green. Do you not remember this?

Andrea_nannini

15:35

Oh, I remember that, but I don't remember it being in Brazil. That's why I do remember that.

Rudy

15:39

It's was in Brazil, and it was because of peroxide.

Andrea_nannini

15:43

Oh, really

Rudy

15:44

The water in Brazil has a very high sulfide level, which means it smells. It kind of stinks like that whole uh rotten egg kind of smell. You know what I'm talking about,

Andrea_nannini

15:52

a high. What level sulfur did you say?

Rudy

15:55

sulphide sulphide.

Andrea_nannini

15:57

Sulphide

Rudy

15:57

It's actually, yes, the decon position of sulphur by subsbacteria into sulfides and the sulfides are what gives you that roten egg smell. so anyway, the water in Brazil naturally has this right out of the tap. It smells like ass.

Rudy

16:13

so they fill their pools with this, but they're aware of it and they gotta top the water off and all that stuff. So now here we are. We're having the Olympics. All eyes in the world are on this pool. There is not a more popular pool in the world than this pool in Brazil At the

Andrea_nannini

16:26

Mhm,

Rudy

16:26

time, twenty four hours a day. Everybody's looking at this pool, so they want to make sure everything's perfect. They know if they have hydrogen peroxide on hand, peroxide will oxidize the sulfides and make the smell go away. And then they don't have anything to worry about. Everybody has a wonderful time, so they're ready for this. I believe it was the Australian dive team that started to complain that the water had a musty odor to it, so they reacted really really quick. They took this hydrogen peroxide and they poured it into the swimming pool, which oxidized the sulfides and got rid of the smell, but

Rudy

17:01

hydrogen perroxide is also a chlorine neutralizer,

Andrea_nannini

17:08

Oh,

Rudy

17:09

Andrea_nannini

17:09

did not know that

Rudy

17:09

in getting rid of the sulffiides, they got rid of the chlorine,

Andrea_nannini

17:13

the chline

Rudy

17:13

but now the problem gets even worse, so they have an o r p system set up in there right with meters, and they their injecting liquid chlorine, just like most of the pools that you take care of, And we know O r P reads its oxidation reduction potential, right. It reads the oxidizing capacity of the water, and chlorine affects the oxidzing capacity of the water. so this is an indirect reading. It doesn't really measure the chlorine level, but it measures the oxidizing capacity of the water right. So when it sees that that's off, it knows that there's not enough chlorine. It tells the meter to inject more chlorine into the system,

Andrea_nannini

17:47

Mhm, Mhm,

Rudy

17:47

just like the systems you have,

Andrea_nannini

17:49

rightide

Rudy

17:50

Rudy

17:51

we should be good to go. But the problem is you know what else affects the oxidizing capacity of the water.

Rudy

18:00

Yes,

Andrea_nannini

18:01

wet.

Rudy

18:01

so now, the systems, the systems looking at the water saying, hey man, like we're good to go. You know this is kind of cool. It's groovy right. But the problem is it is not groovy. It's bad because there's no chlorine in there and proxide alone is not a good oxidizer at all. And here we are in Brazil. It's the middle of summer. It's practically on the equator and then the pool turns green,

Rudy

18:29

so that's basically the ruund downn of what happened there. So

Rudy

18:33

what question did you ask me again?

Andrea_nannini

18:36

So Oh, I think I asked you.

Andrea_nannini

18:41

Oh, I ask you. you can't mix. You can't put chlorine in A in a peroxide pool or vice versa,

Rudy

18:48

So the answer to that is what. Why,

Andrea_nannini

18:51

Brazil,

Rudy

18:54

Just like Brazil, chlorine

Andrea_nannini

18:55

cause we dont we don't. We don't want to

Rudy

18:56

perxide

Andrea_nannini

18:56

have a green Olympic pool of events,

Rudy

18:59

perxide is a chlorine neutralizer, no matter what country you use it in, but they do still recommend having a minimum chlorine level with these systems, So we're not necessarily using enough hydrogen peroxide. I would assume to take it all out. We'd have to ask. Um.

Rudy

19:16

Yeah, we'd have to ask a diamond Dave out there in California for his insight on that one. Maybe we'll get him to pop in on a show if we can drag him away from his to, Um. talk about why chlorine's able to survive. So I, the only thing it could be is we're not using enough hydrogen peroxide, So Um, anyway, that's what it is. it. Ah,

Andrea_nannini

19:35

So wait, go back. Sorry, go back. Go back to go back to Brazil real quick, and you can edit this out. I just want to understand for my own, so they

Rudy

19:43

in biz Mo. I guess that's not Brazil F.

Andrea_nannini

19:47

don't know.

Rudy

19:47

That's my Brazilian accent, Yo mo. We amzinal

Andrea_nannini

19:52

Think you need to work on it. So the

Andrea_nannini

19:56

Rudy

19:56

joy, Andrea. we embzil.

Rudy

19:56

joy, Andrea. we embzil.

Andrea_nannini

19:58

they sorry

Andrea_nannini

20:00

that was Chinese do or something. I. That was not. what was that?

Rudy

20:05

anyway, what's your question

Andrea_nannini

20:07

The question is, so what happened was was they had some smelly sulphur water, so they added hydrogen peroxide to take care of that. The had the hydrogen peroxide Uh, ▁zipped out all the chlorine And then what happened? So then the o r, P system started pumping and chlorine.

Rudy

20:23

and the system right? No, it wouldn't because it thought it had enough when it really didn't

Andrea_nannini

20:28

Oh, that's where I was confused because

Rudy

20:30

So ▁ultimately, what they did? they trick

Andrea_nannini

20:30

of the high. Oh, okay, no, I got youcause. Sorry. the H. The peroxide made the system think that there was chlorine An, or an an oxidizer in there. Gotcha Okay.

Rudy

20:40

exactly right. So it kind of it tricked it basically

Andrea_nannini

20:43

Okay So it didn't add chlorine and then it turned green Because it just didn't add chlorine. Not because the green was a reaction with the

Andrea_nannini

20:52

hydr with the peroxide and the chlorine. Like Not that. if you mix them, it's

Rudy

20:55

correct.

Andrea_nannini

20:56

immediately going to turn green. and or whatever, Okay, That's where I was

Rudy

20:59

and peroxide and peroxide alone is not a very powerful oxidizer. It doesn't work very well by itself.

Andrea_nannini

21:08

and they have whole pool systems just on peroxide, don't they?

Rudy

21:13

You know that's questionable.

Andrea_nannini

21:15

Rudy

21:16

I mean they might as well just be using oxyclean oxy clean.

Rudy

21:21

So, but wait, that's not all

Andrea_nannini

21:21

Oh my God, do not do not start another fucking internet hack trend, please,

Andrea_nannini

21:27

for the love of God,

Rudy

21:27

you still can't get over the bounced dryer sheets, can you?

Andrea_nannini

21:30

Oh know, I still can't get over the magic erasers.

Rudy

21:33

I didn't do that one.

Andrea_nannini

21:35

That was all your idea.

Rudy

21:36

So all right, So there's a couple of different ways that we can actually generate these hydroxal radicals? Okay, A couple of different methods

Andrea_nannini

21:44

All right La, it on me,

Rudy

21:44

of doing this. We can go with a system. We can go with a system that is just ozone and U v alone

Andrea_nannini

21:52

but you need both. You

Rudy

21:53

that.

Andrea_nannini

21:53

can't just have one.

Rudy

21:55

No, you need both right. So the cool thing about it. See, U, V has no energy to begin the disc, the decomposition of ozone. They call it U v fottals photolissis, which, when in the water it results in hydroxal radical formation, and also the formation of the hydrogen peroxide that we need to make this whole thing happen. So the ozone, U v method is probably the best method of generating the hydroxal radicals, but it struggles to produce large quantities just simply because of the low solubility of ozone and water. This method kind of falls short just simply because Um.

Rudy

22:35

I don't know, in a cost comparison to something like a perxone or U v h to o o two, which is perxide, um. and recent advantages in technology. I think we might start to see that creep back up again. Most of the systems that you see coming out onto the market. Now this is what we're looking at. It's a U v ozone combination. That's all it is to it. So the U v again starts the process

Rudy

22:59

of decomposing the ozone, and we get hydroxyl radicals from that, and it actually produces the peroxide that it needs in the process, So that's kind of wicked cool right.

Andrea_nannini

23:08

Well that is cool. so it's yeah. You kind of

Rudy

23:11

And that's the

Andrea_nannini

23:11

just need that little bit and then it's a self sustaining thing. kind of thing.

Rudy

23:16

right. And those are the systems that you see out there on the market. Now that people are talking about when they're talking about going with a o P on the pools, Most of them are

Rudy

23:25

U V ozone. Only they're not adding peroxide. It's creating its own.

Andrea_nannini

23:31

Okay,

Rudy

23:31

So again,

Rudy

23:33

best way to produce hydroxal radicals. However, it struggles to produce a lot of them,

Andrea_nannini

23:38

gotcha

Rudy

23:38

so it can't produce a whole bunch. So

Andrea_nannini

23:39

so it wouldn't be good for like a really huge pool. Maybe

Rudy

23:43

correct now ozone and hyd and hydrogen peroxide where you just add the hydrogen perxide directly. Well, Wh, Usually there's some type of a pump to pump it in. Um, I'm not sure if anybody pours it indirectly, But this method iss called Perroxone.

Andrea_nannini

23:56

I bet you people do, Rudy. I bet people do.

Rudy

24:00

Well, it would work right. All we need to do is have the proxide in the water and then the. I mean this is the tried in true way, the best. Uh, the best way to produce a lot of it in advanced oxidation. So we have peroxide injection and ozone. It's super superpopular. Uh. accepted by regulatory agencies. Um. field testing has gone on for a long time, so it has a proven track record and the method is probably one of the most cost effective means of producing that hydroxal radical.

Rudy

24:35

So that's another way

Andrea_nannini

24:36

That's cool.

Rudy

24:37

you could also go. You could also go with just uuvean hydrogen peroxide. Get the ozone out of there. So the last one was no Uv, this one no ozone. So in the U V. Light Association of Hydrogen peroxide, this is probably the most used right now.

Andrea_nannini

24:53

Okay, so I just looked really quick and I, I'm not sorry to interrupt you. The heyward system that the heyward system that I was talking about earlier that I couldn't remember is the hydrap and it uses O, uh, you. Oh, my goodness, ozone and uv,

Rudy

25:10

like the initial one we spoke about,

Andrea_nannini

25:12

right,

Rudy

25:12

and like I said the mo, most of them coming out into the pool market. Now that I see that's what's coming out. These other systems are in use in water treatment. Some are on swimming pools, but not as much as the Um. and, and realistically the other one's easier.

Andrea_nannini

25:26

Mhm,

Rudy

25:27

It might not be the one that can produce the most hydroxal radicals, but just having uven ozone hooked up without having to worry about the addition of another liquid hydrogen peroxide. It just makes a lot more sense and we're not talking off the shelf peroxide from Walgreens Year. we're talking. You know something with a little bit more boost to it

Andrea_nannini

25:45

right. More of a concentration.

Rudy

25:48

right so now, in a U Vhydroxide or in a u V, hydrogen peroxide scenario here, we're using the light association of hydrogen peroxide, and like I said, that's probably the most popular method of hydroxal radical generation at the moment, and it's due primarily to U v having grown in popularity, especially in the remediation of fecal related water, born, uh, ▁zooosis, or protzoas, such as cryptospherium and jar gardia, A huge benefit.

Andrea_nannini

26:15

I got the pool on me.

Rudy

26:18

Well, we'll keep that off you, so hopefully we don't run out of toilet paper this year. A huge benefit here is the a Uv peroxide is the process to generate large amounts. On the other hand, it does require a heck of a lot more hydrogen perxide than any of the other methods to make it happen. So that's there's always a downfall to everything right.

Andrea_nannini

26:41

Mhm, yep,

Rudy

26:42

so now, I'm sure you've already figured it out. What's my? What's my last option?

Andrea_nannini

26:47

um, Oh boy, I lost track of where we were so

Rudy

26:53

Just throw them all together. What about

Andrea_nannini

26:54

all of them Yeah, sure, when not, let's do it.

Rudy

26:54

just throwing them all together? Yeah, hydrogen proxide, ozone and U V sounds like it's going to kick ass

Andrea_nannini

27:01

Absolutely.

Rudy

27:01

right and you know what it it does. So we already know the Oza

Andrea_nannini

27:04

I bet the water looks nice and sparkling and clear.

Rudy

27:07

well, That's the thing we already know that ozone and U V systems work. They work really really well right and that gives us the formation of peroxide and the hydroxyl radical, But by adding additional perxide, you can actually augment our hydroxyal radical generation. However,

Rudy

27:25

it costs a lot,

Andrea_nannini

27:26

Ah, I knew there was going to be a catch.

Rudy

27:28

so you can't have everything. But anyway, back in the pool industry, what we're looking at here, dump the dom u ven ozone, Let it make its own hydrogen peroxide, and I am going to guess the same way the systems are size that they allow for the fact that they're just not producing a lot of the hydroxal radicals. And again, there are options there that we just talked about that give people Um the ability to produce even more and have even better water

Andrea_nannini

27:55

Mhm.

Rudy

27:55

quality and use even lower amounts of chlorine. So how cool is that

Andrea_nannini

28:01

That's pretty cool. although I do. is that. so now is this what people are talking about when they talk about drinkable pool water?

Andrea_nannini

28:08

They talking about

Rudy

28:09

there's no such thing as drinkable pool water?

Andrea_nannini

28:09

this. I know, but I'm talking about the people who say that there is. Is this what they are referring to or is there some other

Rudy

28:16

No, those people, those people were dropped on their heads when they were little.

Andrea_nannini

28:20

their water theory proponents?

Rudy

28:23

No, there's just it's just there's no such that people put their asses in it. You don't

Andrea_nannini

28:27

Well, I know

Rudy

28:27

drink it. It just comes down to that. Listen. Let let me ask you this. So if I

Andrea_nannini

28:32

I would not drink butt water, so please stop yelling at me.

Rudy

28:32

gave to you a bottle of ▁zephyra hills? No, no, no, I'm giving. I'm not yelling at you. I'm just saying if I was to give you a bottle of ▁zephr Hills, and tell you that someone's ass had been in it, Are you going to drink it?

Andrea_nannini

28:43

Absolutely not.

Rudy

28:45

But it's ▁zephyr hills?

Andrea_nannini

28:47

don't give a shit. I don't drink Das oni because it tastes like its spend in someone's blood cheeks.

Rudy

28:53

Well, listen, that's what I'm saying. There's no such thing, swimming pool, water,

Andrea_nannini

28:54

Dasy tastes like someone rang it out of their bathing suit

Rudy

28:58

swimming pool. water will never be drinkable water. For those reasons, it's outside. it's open to the environment. People put their butts and and animals go in there. It's void of an ecosystem, and now don't get me started on those natural pools again, because even though they have their own their own little mini ecosystem, they are still not immune to what someone's ass does to the water

Andrea_nannini

29:24

and asses can do a lot of damage to pools.

Rudy

29:27

well. it's the prodozoa, it's the disease. It's

Andrea_nannini

29:30

Oh,

Rudy

29:30

those types of things that come out of people, So anything that gets in their um, raccoons, birds. All of it everything carries something

Rudy

29:39

that a person could become ill from, and it's just not the best way to go about it.

Andrea_nannini

29:44

Rudy

29:44

Even in a lake or a river, people get sick all the time.

Andrea_nannini

29:47

oh yeah, and there is like flesh eating Amebas and all that kind of stuff.

Andrea_nannini

29:52

Can we

Rudy

29:53

Yes,

Andrea_nannini

29:53

pause for one second? I actually just got

Rudy

29:55

now they have that venomous sunfish that came out down in South Florida, venomous blue gills. You've heard about those?

Andrea_nannini

30:02

Rudy

30:03

Yeah,

Andrea_nannini

30:03

blues.

Rudy

30:04

in the aglades, Yeah, they are taking out on the alligator population.

Rudy

30:08

They only weigh about a pound, but're like Piraha. Once they bite them, the alligator becomes infected, Then a python eats it and the python

Andrea_nannini

30:15

Really.