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Big Butts No Lies Plastic Surgery Podcast
Big Butts No Lies is a plastic surgery podcast created to help women feel informed, confident, and prepared when navigating the world of cosmetic surgery.
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Each episode features conversations with board certified plastic surgeons, recovery specialists and industry professionals who share their experiences with procedures such as breast augmentation, liposuction, BBL, tummy tuck and other aesthetic treatments.
Whether you are researching plastic surgery, preparing for a procedure, or want to understand the process better, Big Butts No Lies offers honest conversations, recovery guidance, and expert insight to help women make smarter and safer decisions.
Big Butts No Lies Plastic Surgery Podcast
The Misconceptions About Lymphatic Massage ft. Tai Brown
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In this episode, our host & plastic surgery consultant Mavi Rodriguez is joined by international post-operative care expert Tai Brown. Together they discuss the following topics:
1. What is the lymphatic system, what does it do and why is it important?
2. Why post-plastic surgery lymphatic massages may be harmful and what type of massage you should get instead.
3. The misconceptions about lymphatic massage and the potential long-term effects on the lymphatic system.
4. What are the consequences of inadequate pre- and postoperative care?
5. How and where to find qualitative post-op care providers?
The conversation explores the challenges and issues surrounding the plastic surgery industry, particularly in terms of patient support and ethical practices. It highlights the need for transparency and education to combat fear and unethical practices. Tai Brown's commitment to client advocacy and ethical care shines throughout this candid conversation, providing invaluable insights for anyone considering plastic surgery.
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Taime Out Sculpting Institute – The TOSI Method
PostOp-Indur Agency Officer - CSL Therapy
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Hey, guys. Do I have the show for you today? You are not gonna believe who I have on with me today, miss Ty Brown, international post op expert. And, you guys, we are about to learn a lot. Thank you for being on the show with me, Ty.
Thank you for having me, Naz.
I'm so excited to have you on. I watched your IG, and I saw so many new things that you have going on. So I really want you I know you, but my my girls don't know you, and I really want them to get to know you. So why don't you tell me a little bit about yourself, your experience, and how all of that has influenced what you're doing now?
Well, so thank again, thank you for having me. I started out as a massage therapist after I finished college. College was a rough one for me. I, got into med school. It wasn't for me. I freaked out. I had already changed my major 8 times. Like, it took me a while to find my calling.
I changed my major 8 times. I dropped out of college 3 times. I amassed more than a semester's worth of tuition and parking tickets while I was at the University of Maryland. And so when I was, like, towards the end, I interned, and, I had gotten to med school in Georgetown. I was like, hey. Y'all don't like this. And my parents were like, please don't do this to us. I I think it took it personal every time, like, I changed my mind or something didn't work out.
I come from a psychotically huge family. My mom is 1 of 7. My abuela is 1 of 21, and my is 1 of 24.
Wow.
Nobody went to college. So everyone was, like, living vicariously through me. And I was like, I don't like any of this stuff. But, I was at the end of my degree. I have an undergrad in neuromolecular biomechanics, and, I have a master's in, legal aspects of health care and policy writing. But when I was finishing up my undergrad, got into med school, wasn't my jam, and, my parents were like, you should relax. You know? You're a little high strung. Here.
Just go get a massage. And I did, and I was like, hey, yo. This is dope. I'm gonna do this. And so I dropped out of med school. I finished my undergrad, became a massage therapist, and then I, started traveling the world learning different modalities and skills. And I was, living in Thailand, in Chiang Mai. I was introduced to postoperative recovery there.
I went to go learn Thai Massage, and, I was introduced to this beautiful, amazing world. And I fell in love, and I haven't looked back since. I came to America. I mean, I'm American. I came I came back to America, and they didn't have any, classes or programs. There wasn't, like, any education for this. And so I changed my entire career. I morphed my practice.
I changed everything to dedicate it to, this industry that I fell in love with, and it's just been up from there.
Wonderful. That is an amazing story. I feel like so many so many of my listeners can resonate with changing your major 8 times because, I mean, who doesn't? Who has not had that?
I was too immature and too young to know what I wanted to do. That's a lot of pressure. Like alright. So what do you wanna do with the rest of your life? Dude, I don't know. I'm trying to figure out what I'm having for breakfast. Like, I haven't gotten that far in life yet.
You're so funny. So tell me what you are seeing. I know you've been in the industry for a while, and something that I've noticed in plastic surgery because in my industry, post op care has changed tremendously over the last, like I was saying in the episode yesterday, about 10 years where it's really revolutionized the industry, what things have been changing. So tell me what you saw or what you've seen that really motivated you to start your institute.
Well, I originally start off with my first company, which was Time Out Massage Studios. And I think my Instagram handle for maybe the last 10 years, if if not not, it was longer than that, close to 15 years, which is time out massage. I I noticed a lot of, things that lacked ethics to me. It lacked compassion. People were more interested in making money instead of making a difference. There wasn't any client advocacy. And then as the need and demand started to grow for education, people were using this like a cash cow and a a get over, get rich quick scheme. When they saw an opportunity and they're like, you know, I felt like God spoke to me, and I'm gonna follow my calling.
Baby, God didn't tell you to break the law. He didn't tell you to just go and open up a whole medical practice with no health care background whatsoever. I'm sure that you did hear something, but it won't god. And so just seeing so many different things being thrown into the mix like a a medical melting pot, the people who absorb the weight of someone's, incompetence, malpractice, and negligence were clients. And I got tired of watching clients get hurt, scam, taking advantage of, and I decided that I wanted to do something about it. And so we, started, and the the pool was there. The requests were there. A lot of professionals saw what I was doing.
It was like, hey. Can you show me? And I was like, nope. I'm still figuring it out myself. It took me 3 years to write my very first class. And during that time frame, I did tons, countless research, empirical data. I read, medical studies and journals in the middle of the night. Everybody else is sleeping. Like, that whole 10000 hour shooting in the gym, I was putting in my 10000 hours while people around me, I've seen it.
They were running circles around me, but I was like, you know, I'm gonna focus on running my race. And, I put together a really good solid quality course. The very first one was intro to post op and then intro to body contouring. And I focus on just perfecting those two classes for the last, like, 5 years. Through that time, we started seeing less clients intentionally. My shift went from clients to professionals. And then last year, we had our program accredited, and, we converted into a university. And so now the Instagram handle shift from Time Out Massage to TOEZ University.
The school was called Time Out Sculpting Institute, and then the acronym was TOEZ. So that's where TOEZ University comes from now.
I love to hear that. Congratulations. I'm so proud and happy and excited for you. I know this must be a really exciting journey to be on and to bring other people and educate them and teach them what you've learned along the way. This it's amazing because I you're a trailblazer.
Oh, this is scary, though. You know, I don't anybody that's looking, if you have a dream, chase it, believe in it, fall in love with it with your entire heart no matter what it is. Well, as long as it's, like, legal and you ain't smacking out kids and stuff. But, like, chase your dreams. They are worth chasing. They were given to you for a reason. You know, even if there's you got a McDonald's, a Wendy's, a Burger King, and they all on the same street. You know? A a flower doesn't care about the growth of the flower next to it.
It just grows. Like, I'm I'm proud of you. You started your podcast and, like, all these people have podcasts, but they're not you. Right? You know, you found your lane. You found your niche. But getting to this point, there's no way that you can have this vision, and then it's not gonna come with, like, a level of fear or apprehension. You just learn how to be courageous in spite of and move forward full steam ahead. Every idea that pops up in your head isn't always gonna be legit.
And I've learned to question myself, is it true? Well, how do you know it's true? Like, when you start thinking about crazy things or you're like, well, no one's, like, paying attention to me. Just keep going.
Just keep going. You don't know who's on the sidelines clapping for you and just cheering you on, wishing you the best, wanting you to succeed.
Yeah. It it's been quite the journey, and I've been experiencing it. I where are you located at?
I'm in Houston.
You're in Houston? Okay. So I live in Maryland, and we do roller coasters all the time. And I don't think it's here, Lord. It's not even here. I shouted out Maryland for nothing. Go 301. I think it's in, either Busch Gardens or king it's Kings Dominion, which is in Virginia. And they have this one roller coaster.
It's called the, Outer Limits, and it's completely in the dark. Whole roller coaster in the dark. You can't see anything. You don't see the twist or the turns. That's how this is. And you learn to just throw your heads up, and you figure it out as you go. You don't know what turn is coming up next. If you're about to drop, if you're going up, you're just here locked in for the ride.
Absolutely. You know what? I love something that I can hear motivated you at the beginning. It's something that really motivated me when I launched, which was my passion to help my ladies, my girls, my post op patients, the women who are looking for surgeons, the women who wanna have surgery but don't really know how to do it safely, or they're scared because they're they hear all of this stuff in the media about deaths and this and that. And plastic surgery has gotten such a bad reputation of, like in in society, I mean, of, like, oh, you have surgery in your vein or you don't care about your life. You just care about how you look. And I when I launched my show, I did it for them. I did it for my girls. I did it for I I like to tell my girls, I do this for scared you.
I do this for scared you because I want to see you on the other side living your best, so happy and excited with who you are and who you watching them become completely different women after surgery is just something that really motivates me, And I can tell it's something that motivated you at the beginning too.
Yeah. It it it was. Some people dance. Some people sing. This became my ministry. Right? This became my platform of how I chose to to help. And, with massage therapy, you you don't really ever get into it for the money. Like, you know, when I went to massage school, it was because I discovered what I wanted to do with my time in my life.
Like, I know I'm not gonna live forever, but I'd rather create some really cool things that will and some dope memories that that can live forever. And, I love the feeling of helping people. If we were to take post op aside, I I love showing women how to fall in love with themselves again. I love helping them remember their why. I love helping women see that they can put an s on their chest in their own special way and and living life on their terms. You know, you fall in love with that aspect of this industry. And, I think there is a lot of courage that women embody because society, there's no right way to be a woman anymore. You know, either you're not skinny enough or you're not thick enough, your butt's too flat, or your waist isn't slim enough, your hair is not long enough, or it's too kinky, or it's too short.
Like, there's always something. And once you get to a point and realize that you will never be able to please society, you focus on the only one that I wanna please is myself. You know? Am I living up to my best standards? Am I my best me? How can I improve upon who I was yesterday? I'm not trying to I'm not in competition with anybody except for who I used to be. And Do I feel
guilty about that?
We don't hear those messages anymore. Everything is always telling us what we're not and what we need to be more of. And I'm like, baby, you are perfect just as you are right now. Let me show you how to fall in love with who you are so that no matter what enhancements you choose to make, you'll know how to love that version of you as well.
Wow. That's very, very touching.
It filled it spilled over. Some of my favorite stories, I used to travel to Miami every single month. I retired in 2020 officially even though I feel like I work more now than I I did back then. But, the first time that I tried to retire, nobody knew who I was. When I went to University of Maryland, my degree was a sports major. It was a sports degree, and all the athletes were in my classes. So when I graduated and went to massage school, if nothing else, University of Maryland, people go pro. You know? They went to the NFL, the NBA, the NHL.
I was the homie, and so I'm massaging, like, where most people wanna end their practice. That's where I started. I started at the top. You know, I had some elite clientele. And then when their ladies would have babies or, you know, they get a little older, It was always hush-hush. Maybe 15, 20 years ago when you get plastic surgery, anyone who got work done, they've always had some insight of the massage manipulation would help them heal faster. So I do sports massage on the athletes, and then I would do postoperative treatments on their ladies. And, but they all had me on contracts.
I was on NDAs. I couldn't say anything. So the first time that I wanted to retire, people were like, who are you? You do what? So I started going to Miami every single month for 10 to 12 days, and that's how I truly made a name for myself in this industry. And I don't know if it hits the same nail, but that's back when Miami was the wild wild west. It still is.
It still is a little bit.
It still is. They was doing, like, 10, 15 surgeries a day at 1 surgery center. You got, like, these surgery centers popping up loving. Right? I was I will go down there and bang out a bag, you know, in a weekend or in a week. But my favorite moments were I remember I had this one girl who she was like, oh, I just wanted to see you on my way home. Like, I changed to make sure I had a layover to see you. And I had a Airbnb. And when, I I would go to clients or sometimes I'd have them come to me.
And I remember I opened the door, and I was so excited to see her. And then she stopped, and she saw what was on the side of the Airbnb, like, inside, and she didn't come in. And I was like, yo, what's up? And she had, it was a mirror. And she said, Ty, I've been avoiding mirrors for the last 6 years. I was like, what? She had gained maybe close to £200 after her relationship didn't work out. Her dude left her. She got real big. So she, one day just took all the mirrors out of her house.
She started working out. She started eating right. And she's like, I had gotten so depressed. Like, I hated who I was and how I looked. She's like, I didn't wanna see me anymore. And I was like, well, how the hell did you get through the airport? You know? She's like, I I just I didn't I avoided the mirrors. And so this was the first time that she would have been seeing herself in the mirror. And I was like, well, you you gotta come in here.
So either, like, I can hold your hands and you can keep your eyes closed past the mirror. And she's like, no. I think I'm ready. So I grabbed her hand, and we walked in together. And she closed her eyes, and I was like, alright. 123. She opened them up, and she's like, this is the first time that I love what I see, and I love what's looking back at me in the mirror. Stuff like that.
Like, past the the the not accolades because I don't think you get enough accolades in this industry. I I just love being a part of people's love stories again.
Oh, that's so beautiful. I got chills. I got teary eyed because it's so so beautiful. It's something that I I talk about all the time, how women, after their procedures or even just after weight loss like, I have a lot of bariatric patients who might lose a lot of weight, and they're finally seeing themselves in the mirror without the weight, without the skin. And the transformations that happen, not just on the outside, but on the inside, those are the transformations that I'm just like, if you're scared, go for it because you have no idea what's on the other side. It's not just about the out physical appearance. It's about the transformation that you go through post op with falling in love with yourself again. Mhmm.
And something that I always like to say, I I say it on my IG all the time, which was, like, the best weight I I the best weight I have ever lost was the weight of other people's opinions. And that really was what what made it possible for me to be able to launch my show, to be able to put myself out there. Because before I launched my show, I was like, who's gonna listen to me? I'm not even a surgeon. I'm not a plastic surgeon. Why are they gonna wanna listen to me? But it turned out that because I had all of the experience of working with with the surgeons and knowing how to talk to them and understanding how they talk and their language and also being in the middle and speaking with the patients and understanding their feelings and their thoughts and how they're, like, the journeys that they're on, it was a perfect combination because I'm able to be that conduit between the patient and the surgeon, and it's just That's so
the word. I like the word conduit.
I like it. It makes me feel fancy.
Yeah. No. You you are, that that you wind up becoming a voice for the voiceless. You
know? I love that.
Not everybody knows how to to speak up or advocate for themselves. And
I tell them, just because they do it like that doesn't mean you have to take it. Just because they say this is how we do it, doesn't mean you have to accept it. You can go somewhere else. Somebody else would do it how you like or how you want. So something I really wanna get from you, because my girls, they know about lymphatic massage drainage. We've had 3 episodes really dedicated to talking about it, but I would love for you to talk to my audience, talk to my girls, and tell them what is it. What why what are the benefits? Why does it work? And I know you wanted to talk about compression therapy, so why don't you dive into it?
Alright. I'm this is the first show I'm gonna rain down on you. Well, in in general, since, when I'm I personally don't think that you can create and scale at the same time. And so for the last, I say, 6 to 9 months, I've been very quiet. I've probably been missing off social media because I've been working on creating. And, so you're the very first show that I'm gonna be sharing this this information with. So your girlies, are gonna be blessed to be a part of of that first crew. But I, am a huge advocate that, lymphatic massage is not good for clients after plastic surgery.
Right? Okay. Here's why. Let me explain. Lymphatic massage is an entire modality, and I love it. It's beautiful. It's amazing. It's perfect for preop. But after surgery, the techniques that are used, they actually put an unnatural, unhealthy amount of pressure on the lymphatic valves, and they cause these valves to break.
I don't know if you've looked or noticed, but a lot of times when clients get surgery, in America, we don't do what's called longitudinal studies anymore, where you'll do something and then track it for 20 years to see if it's okay before you introduce to the public. That didn't happen here. The last studies that were done on this industry was in 1983, and it did not include the effects of postoperative treatments. We just started doing research on this industry within the last 2 to 3 years. Well, if you were to look at a client who had surgery 10 to 15 years ago and you look at their ankles, most of their ankles are very chunky. They have started to develop what's called lymphedema. Your lymphatic valves, they keep fluid from flowing back down, right, when gravity pulls on it. But with lymphatic massage and those techniques are pushing this fluid against those valves, they start to break.
And the valves are just like, can I can I curse here?
Yeah. It's a podcast. You can say whatever you want.
I usually have a whole colorful vocabulary until I realized one day I was talking to a pastor. And I was like, so you just go sit up here. Let me drop all these f bombs. I know there was a pastor. But the the fluid starts to backflow and then then the valves are like, fuck it. Y'all got it. Like, I I don't care. It starts to pool around their extremities, but you don't see it till 10 years later.
So a short snippet of what I just explained is that those techniques and they're pushing down, they cause your lymphatic system to break. But because nobody paused to study this industry, no one is focusing on the clients, they're focusing on getting money, most people do not know that. And everybody jumped on this surgery bandwagon because all they cared about was money. And so you had lymphatic schools. You had large schools like, Acres, Norton. You had these huge schools that were like, wait a minute. We wanna get in on this too. And they started pushing lymphatic massage because after you get a hip replacement or knee replacement, you would use lymphatic massage to help somebody heal.
None of those included tumescent fluid. Tumescent fluid is pumped into every single client when they get surgery or the volume. Like, if you get liposuction, you're getting surgery on maybe 45 to 65% of your body. The lymphatic system in that area gets demolished. Right? The weight and the buildup of edema and inflammation, the lymphatic system was never meant to handle it. So to change that and help your clients, they're looking for postoperative treatments. If you go to someone and they're doing lymphatic massage, I guarantee you within 10 years, your ankles are gonna start looking big. Your lower extremities are gonna start looking big.
You're gonna start wondering why am I gaining weight and I can't lose it, baby, because it's not that. You now have developed a maybe mild form of lymphedema, and there's no cure for it. We started a, an organization called CSL Therapy to regulate the treatments that clients get after surgery. And that is one of the biggest things that we try to hammer in is lymphatic massage is not appropriate after plastic surgery, and so clients are at least 3 months post op. By then, the lymphatic system has started to rebuild, and it can handle the pressures of that extra weight and fluid in a way that they can't at 1, 2, and 3 weeks post op. Postoperative techniques, it's called post op endur, I n d u r. They go in a different direction. They move against the the pull of gravity, and it doesn't put too much weight on those valves.
And you don't have to worry about getting sick in the future.
So okay. I have so many questions. So many questions.
Let's go.
So you're saying they can get massages, but they have it's different types. It's a different type of massage. Right? So it's post op massage.
Mhmm.
So when my when my girls are looking for somebody to have their massage because their surgeon is telling them to get massages, They have to look for specifically a post op Indur.
Mhmm. I n e u r. They're looking for a post op Endur provider, a post op Endur specialist.
How would they find 1? How are they gonna find them?
Well, we on there there's 2 websites. The toesy method dot com. At the bottom of it, there is a list of providers and professionals that no longer use and there's other techniques. The biggest thing is that you wanna make sure your techniques and your massage strokes are going upwards. MLD and lymphatic massage does not do that. They're gonna move it towards the closest lymph node, but most lymph nodes are already overwhelmed and congested before surgery. So if you wanna get lymphatic massages and you wanna have a better outcome, get them before surgery and then afterwards. Guadalupe Becker, she is THT Contour.
She's based out of California. She trains. Our school, we train. There's a school out of California not California. Canada. She trains, body full. But there's a lot of different programs that you can look to see. Okay.
Where did you ask your therapist? Where did you go to school? You could start there. Who trained you? Inside of our Facebook group, we have over 10,000 people in that group. It's time out post op corner, and it's t a I m e, out postop corner. There's a whole list of professionals who do not move their strokes down because it puts too much pressure on those valves. I am it it is what it is. Like, I I see the things that I wanna do and I wanna create, and that takes time. So in the future, they'll be able to go to CSL Therapy Organization and be able to check to see what providers, where the providers got trained at. I'm happy to share that in the state of Maryland, on February 9th, a bill, h house bill 1327 was accepted, the proposal, and we go to court to testify on March 12th, To start having a requirement to be able to offer these services, you're gonna need to be licensed.
You're gonna have to go to an accredited school. You're gonna have to sit down and take an exam so you're not just having to flex online, and people are like, oh, I like her. She's funny. I'm a go get my post op massages from her. Baby, people Photoshop. Right? You shouldn't be basing your health care and your body and your results and stuff like that, but those type of things take time. And so staying tapped into communities like the one that you've created for your girls, asking better questions, asking your post op provider who trained you what direction are my strokes gonna be going in. And then if nothing else, because you may find somebody who isn't trained, they don't know, introduce them to our platforms, and then just ask them to change the direction of their strokes.
If they don't know anything else and they're like, this is what I was taught, the least you can even though this is our canvas, it's still your body. Ask them to please make all of my strokes go upwards, and that is you know, in as we're growing to where we wanna be, how they can protect themselves.
I love that. I like I like that tip because I I'm I can already, like, sense what my girls are thinking. They're like,
what?
I can't have a massage, or I've I've I've been getting them wrong or I got the wrong massages, and now I'm gonna have to deal with this in 10 years. I don't want you guys to start freaking out and start getting all stressed out. So this is very helpful because we they have a tool that they can use if they're in the middle of sessions, if they're about to have surgery, or they've already booked with somebody and paid. All of the you know, that's a lot of that's very common situation for, I'm sure, my listeners where they've already paid for somebody who they've researched and found, or they're in the middle of a package, or they're about to have surgery and they don't know what they're supposed to do. So
Or if they live somewhere and then the only person that's there does lymphatic massage, just change the direction of the strokes. Can I share a tip for if someone has already if they're done? Let's say they're 6 months post op or a year post op, and they're like, damn. My massage strokes did go down. I don't think anyone tells people soon enough, but when you decide to get any type of surgery, but specifically plastic surgery, it's a lifetime commitment to your health. Right? Like, surgery is not some get skinny, get, it's tight quick scheme. You are committing to a lifestyle shift, a lifestyle change. You can't go back to living how you were living before, or you will be delivered back to your presurgery body, and it'll be 10 times worse because your lymphatic system is forever altered. It is never going back to how it was before.
And so you have to make conscious decisions to be better and live better for yourself. You have to decrease your salt intake. You know, the average American consumes between 3,000 to 5000 milligrams of sodium per day.
That's ridiculous.
Right after surgery, you should have between a 1000 to 1500. And then where you mainstream and cost at should be no more than 2,000 milligrams of sodium per day. And just for a piece of reference, a can of soup is about 10 ounces. In that 10 ounces, the can is 2.5 servings, and each serving is 480 milligrams of sodium. One can of soup is 1200 milligrams of sodium, just the soup. So Gatorade is usually about 400 to 600 milligrams of sodium. And then if you have some crackers, baby, you have bust your sodium budget for, like, 2 days. You should do nothing but eat air, grass, and water for 2 days straight.
So, changing your lifestyle, decreasing things that cause you to get inflamed, GMOs, processed foods. And I'm not saying that you can't have these things, but definitely minimizing that intake will offset any detriment that comes along with surgery, damaging the lymphatic system, and then any extra pressure that the downward strokes may have created or added to?
You know what? I'm gonna I'm remembering a conversation that I had with the FAHA doctor. We were actually on an episode, and we were talking about how I was talking about how after my surgery, I had to change a lot of my eating habits because I would like, I had to stop drinking. I lowered my salt intake because I would notice, like, my hands would get swollen when I would drink alcohol. My hands were just so swollen. My I would just feel so swollen. And she was like, hey. Me too. And we even said it on this episode.
I think we said it. It might have been cut out, and it was well, there's been a lot of damage to our lymphatic system with the lipo with the liposuction. So I'm we're like, I wonder if that has something to do with it. And now I'm like, yeah. It does have something to do with it. No wonder I had to stop drinking.
Mhmm. You've just wasted on a young man. Like, I did some of the most wild ridiculous stuff in my twenties. I couldn't get away with that now. Like, party until 2 AM? What? By, like, 11? I need a nap. I'm sleepy. I have a better nap. I think cranky past 11.
And so, like, not getting enough sleep, once you learn, like, the damage that you do to your body during the day or during surgery, there the mass amount of it is adjusted, corrected, and fixed when you go to sleep. Right? So sleep is crazy important. Getting enough water to flush out that cellular waste from your body is important. Having a healthy liver and the liquor, it it congests, clogs your liver, and decreases it the ability of it to do its job. So, you know, that's why we're like, hey. Just don't drink. I used to be super 4 twenty friendly. And even if marijuana isn't bad for you like nicotine is, but your red blood cells, they're like, you know, when you go on a roller coaster and it stops in the front, everybody gotta get on inside the little cars, that red blood cell is like the little car.
And if it can fit 4 people, the red blood cell can fit 4 iron cells, and that helps you heal. It can fit protein. Well, they can't get in there if you have marijuana sitting there. It decreases your oxygen carrying capacity, so you don't get as much oxygen to your cells. You literally have to change your lifestyle because your lymphatic system got damaged. And what I find hilarious is no one knows what lymphatic system is until you go and get surgery. You're like, Tell me more. You're like crash course in your body.
Give us a little crash course for our listeners who don't have any idea of what the what the lymphatic system is or how it works, what it does, what it's supposed to do.
So the lymphatic system is like the janitor of the body. Right? And it's no matter what you do, this janitor never gets upset at you. It always cleans up whatever wow ridiculousness you choose throughout the day, and your roller coaster is the cardiovascular system. And where I live in Maryland, at least once a year, someone then fell off the roller coaster down the street at 6 Flags. Well, inside your body, anytime stuff falls off the roller coaster, the janitor comes along and sweeps it up and dumps it back into the cardiovascular system, and the roller coaster keeps going. The lymphatic system is very thin, fragile system that wraps itself around different orifices and organs in the body. And when you get plastic surgery, it gets demolished. Right? So you don't have a janitor.
What would happen if you didn't have somebody cleaning up behind you on a regular basis? Right? Or let's say, just your house. You know how you put your trash out on the curb once or twice a week? What would happen to the neighborhood if the trash man was like, yo, y'all can kiss my ass. I'm done. I'm I'm, I'm done here. Y'all don't pay me enough. I'm not coming. And it didn't come for, like, 2 months straight. How gross would your neighborhood get? How gross would your house start to get? Or another analogy I use is, let's say you get in a car accident and you don't die, but you're like a temporary quadriplegic.
And every time you poop and you pee, you ring a little bell and then the nurse comes, they turn you over, they clean you up, and they move the sheets out the way. Right? They put new fresh sheets down. What would happen if you pooped and you peed and you ring a little bell and nobody came? That waste would start to eat at your skin. You develop ulcers and blisters. It is toxic. Just like when we eat, and the food goes to our extremities and we poop and pee out the waste that we don't need, your cells do the same thing. So in between stuff falling off the cardiovascular roller coaster and then the waste materials that are just building up in your body, your lymphatic system comes and moves it all out the way for you so you can continue to have good free, clean, flowing circulation. That thing gets trashed when you get surgery, and it takes about 3 months for it to grow back.
It does grow back, but then it doesn't grow back perfectly either. Have you ever had any of your girls talk about, like, S'wellho?
Yeah. We talk about S'wellho.
S'well Health is because of the damage that's done to the lymphatic system. And when it reconnects back, sometimes it like, if this was, you know, a clear connection, it doesn't have that clear connection. And, it'll misconnect or it'll be like this. Right? And so instead of stuff going from here to here, some of it falls out down here. And, you start to swell up because of that misconnection when your body rebuilds it.
Wow. That is so interesting. I'm learning so much, which you would think, like, we we really have not talked about a lot of this stuff in the industry for a very long time. There was I was in the episode I was recording yesterday, we were talking about how not even that long ago, surgeons would be like, don't touch it at all. Don't massage. Don't, like, leave it alone for 3 months. We'll we'll address it after that. And a lot of board certified plastic surgeons, they're still on that boat of like, okay.
You can have massages, but after 3 weeks, only in the areas that had liposuction, only here, only there. And now I'm like, okay. There's a lot to learn still.
Would you if your car breaks down, would you take it to the guy that, like, buffs it and and and cleans it and and makes it really nice, or would you take it to a mechanic?
Yeah. To a mechanic.
The person that knows. Right? And then if you're you need a new engine, you wouldn't take your car to someone who does really good brakes and rotors. You take it to the person who specializes in repairing your engine. I love me some surgeons. I can sit here and talk weird, nerdy science stuff with them all day long. Surgeons don't know post op. They know surgery. And I'm a take it a step further, and I hope I don't offend anybody.
But if I do, then I'm sorry in advance. But I had my lawyer study 37 residency programs in America, and not one of them has more than 15 hours of postoperative or lymphatic training in a 10 year residency. That is equal to about 2 weeks. So in 10 years, y'all are learning about 2 weeks worth of post op and lymphatics. Baby, you are not qualified to be given the information that you were tossing out. You were ear hustling off of someone else and regurgitating what you heard along the way. And a lot of that is based off of misinformation from whoever they trusted that told it to them at the time, but it's not accurate. But because the letters behind their name are super cool and fun and sparkly, and it's sweeter than the letters behind our names, that misinformation winds up becoming publicly accepted, and it's incorrect.
When we have these science based conversations with people, then there's a shift in the energy that's wind up being, you know, told to clients. But no one focused on clients in the last 20 years of this industry. They focused on surgery. They focused on themselves. They focused on the marketing. They focused on the money. Nobody was looking out for the best interest of the, people who are getting this. And if I take it even a step further, most of it are minority females, which are the most disregarded in health care already, and that's with medically necessary surgery.
You're not even talking about I just want my body back, and I dedicated my life to my children. And I just wanna do something for me, so I'm gonna go get surgery. Ain't nobody think about us.
You know what? I think it's interesting that you went and looked at the residency programs that these surgeons go through. And I think there's a large problem in what the surgeons or what doctors are learning even when it comes down to nutrition and mental health, which is something that we, like, with this show, I have learned more about women's mental health through post op than I ever did in the 14 years that I was working in the offices, talking to them, ever I've seen them for post op, and it's because they don't tell us. They wouldn't tell us in the office, hey. I'm feeling really sad, or I'm feeling really depressed, or I can't look at myself in the mirror. They're not telling us that in the office. But out here, when I do my discovery calls and I'm talking to women from all across the world, all across the country, and I'm hearing these, they're being 100% candid, open with me, telling me really how they're struggling. I'm struggling with this. I'm struggling with this.
And it made me realize, like, wow. There's so much in the post op process that we are not paying attention to or we have not paid attention to over the course of cosmetic surgery. I think there is some, there are some people that have paid a little bit of attention to it, but in the offices, in the practices, the surgeons are busy exactly with what you said, marketing, staff, making sure they're they're keeping their credentials up to date, making sure they're keeping their patients safe through the surgery, but then that's it.
What CSL therapy focuses on is pre, peri, and postoperative care. You will get better instructions when you get a tattoo than you get yours your your body done or you get any type of surgery. But I I wanna pause and stress. It's not just elective surgery. Through we changed our platform with CSL Therapy because we discovered there's no American standards for surgical care. You have CNA care, but outside of the first, you know, 24, 48 hours of how to care for a client, how to wash your hands, how to put on gloves, who's taking care of the client themselves, right, and educating them on this is how you prepare for your surgery. You know, this is how you need to eat. This is how you're gonna lose weight healthily.
This is how you're gonna detox your body, your system. You're gonna decongest your liver. Instead of trying to lose £20 in 12 days because your surgery is coming up and now you're starving yourself, your electrolytes are off, your minerals are off. There's no education around that. There's no perioperative education of, alright, this is what you need to do the day before your surgery or the 1st week after. All of that is missing because, it's curative. And inside of American medicine, I love traveling. You know, Cuba has some of the best health care in the world.
I've studied in the Doctor. I've studied in London. I lived in Thailand, and you will get better medical care outside of America because we focus on, palliative. We don't focus on preventative care. We don't focus on curative medicine. Surgeons aren't taught nutrition because if you teach somebody that they need to get apples and oranges, would they even need surgery? Would they need the vitamins? Would they need these pharmaceuticals? If I tell you that, alright, your back is hurting and you can pay for this pill over here or you can drink some water, I'll get paid off for telling you to drink water. I get paid off for you taking these pills and I get a kickback from it. There's so much corruption in American health care, and the people that we look at and we trust the most, I'm not saying they're bad, but they aren't conditioned to have a client's natural best interest in mind.
And that's just how the system is set up. And so what you're doing is a part of doing God's work. You're bringing people will to help bring light in dark spaces for them to heal themselves because you're not gonna get it through American medicine, and I don't even fault them. Baby, it's the game. You gotta learn how to play or you're gonna get chewed up.
It's unfortunate for our patients who are really walking in blindly, for the women who are walking in with high hopes and not really understanding all the ins and outs of surgery, what how to prepare before and going through the recovery after. I hear a lot, from my clients. They're like, I wanna have surgery, but I'm so scared of the recovery. I'm so scared of how it's gonna be, during post op. And that stops a lot of women, and I feel like if we were, more open about this is what you can expect, this is what it this is really how it can be, it would kind of unveil lift the veil on all of this fear that they have of recovering from surgery.
That veil is there, and and I was around, in times where clients were getting back alley butt shots and and biopolymer injections because they couldn't afford the original prices associated with BBLs, or then you you had people doing things in the shadows because they didn't want society's judgments raining down on them about what they chose to do with their bodies even though they're safer options now. And a lot of clients learn this stuff on the way as they go. When I started seeing clients hopping into the post op industry, I low key won't fully mad at them because they had to do so much research. They really did feel like they were an expert. Right? And so I either see and it's no in between. Either the clients who don't know enough or the clients who know too much, and now they're entitled and emboldened. But there should be some happy medium. Like, in between my braids right now, my hair is some highlighter color blue.
And when I went to my hairstylist and I was like, alright, sis, this how I wanna look. I wasn't in the corner with her mixing up the color, pouring in the chemicals to get my hair to look this way. I went in and booked the look. I said, this how I wanna look, and I sat down, and I let the professional take care of me. Our clients have in this industry. American health care has been around for maybe 2, 300 years. World health care has been around since the beginning of humanity. This right here, this new.
Right? In the last 15 years, it hasn't been around long enough to develop the safe spaces that clients need for them to be able to sit down and just book the look. And by you providing avenues like this, it creates an opportunity for us to have a solid foundation to grow so those that are coming after us will not have to go through the hard experiences, the neglect, the disrespect, or the I trusted them. Honey, I'm sorry. You shouldn't have. No one's gonna look out for we're still living in times where no one's gonna look out for you but you.
You know, when I first started this show, one of the things that really motivated me and lit a fire under my butt was the unethical practices, the marketing practices that my women, my Latin women, my, non English speaking women were falling for because they were ended up ending up in chop shops. They were ending up in places in not just here in the US, but in Mexico at the border. There were
Tijuana was wild.
It's ridiculous. I and it was part of what really motivated me because I've always, I since I can remember, I've always had this sense of, like, I wanna defend like, don't don't fuck with my people. Like, leave my girls. Like, y'all do not take advantage of them. That's not fair because they don't understand. Maybe they don't understand that what you're doing is unethical and you really are practicing out of your scope. They just think they're walking into a place, and they're gonna be having the result that they see in the picture fully trusting, fully, believing in the person in front of them. And that was something that really, really still to this day motivates me because I thought, how can I help them? How can I stop this? And the only thing that came to mind was I I have to have them find me before they find them.
Like, how they I how can I make it so they they can find me first and they learn this is what I should be looking out for before they fall for these deceptive practices, unethical, marketing techniques, and, just unethical practices in general, just period? So I this speaking for the women and the men who don't have loud voices is something that is very, important to me.
My heart breaks. I've cried more tears than anybody will ever be able to count, for this industry. Not because of this industry. Literally, I felt like I would purge for this industry, and I hope that some of them from, my eyes and mouth to God's ears would reach because I was like, oh, change has got to come. And then there's been so many times where I've wanted to walk away. I tried to walk away from this industry, and I'm like, god, I don't want it no more. Here, give it to somebody else. And then he would throw it back to me, but with, like, sparkles on it.
Because, you it it takes a special type of love, you know, to be able to stay. Like, it doesn't matter how you get here. This industry is rough. It's a lot. It takes a toll on you. And one of the biggest lessons that I had to swallow a pill on, and I'm still struggling to sit with it is I'm not gonna be able to help everyone. You know? I'm not gonna be able to reach everyone from, we've identified 4 main stakeholders in this industry. And, from clients, personal, professional.
Like, I just don't have the capacity to reach everybody. And then what does it take out of you? This industry drains me a lot, and sometimes I gotta step away. And between me balancing my faith and my ego, there's just some things that I'm not gonna be able to take on, and my heart hurts for those people. And I'm like, god, please protect those that I won't be able to reach. You know, I'm tired. I need a break. I'm exhausted. I am I'm spent.
And, you know, in those times when you gotta take a step back and you can't pour from an empty cup, you know that there's still those out there who need you. And so creating digital products and resources that, can provide a voice when you aren't able to be there fighting on the front lines with and for them, allows you to reach more people. I don't know what people did before social media, but it's how we've been able to share and spread our messages, more and further. During the pandemic, I think I reached more people during the pandemic than any other time. I went live every day, Monday through Thursday, and, just gave out tons of free information. I created Faha University on Instagram, and not not Instagram, on YouTube, and that's still up. But I remember connecting with people in Spain. In, Spain, they still tell clients, hey.
Don't get massages for 3 months. What? And just a side note, I'm a get back to the little tear jerking story I was just telling. That whole don't get when surgeons and professionals, they give these wild timelines is because of liability. If they were like, oh, yeah. You can get a massage at day 3 and then you wind up going to someone who didn't know any better, you know, 9 times out of 10, they're gonna blame the professionals. Sergeants is like, I try and get sued. So they'll give you a safe answer instead of an accurate answer. And there was a point in time if you go on real self, I appreciate that real self is dated.
And it will have the time stamp of when a surgeon said that. So I'll go back down an old boy in 2007. It's like, yeah. No. I hate massage. They're stupid. Don't get any. And now in 2024, they're like, I mean, you can get a couple deep tissue massages.
I mean, that's a little bit better, but you still failing my guy. If before you were failing with a 33%, now you're failing with a 65%. That's still failing. That's not the right answer. But people will give answers because they literally don't know versus them saying, I don't know or if you want to or maybe let me go figure out and I'll get back to you. And so, when the world shut down, I've never experienced anything like that before in my life. I had people hit me up from I had consultations from Australia, Kenya, New Zealand, Russia. I people from around the world were tapping into this American education and resources that we're helping to create to figure out what am I doing.
And I was like, if it's not just happening here, why is this not being addressed if it's now a worldwide problem? How do we have the same problem amongst the same demographics in so many different areas and no one that is on the up and up is looking back to create anything about or for this. I got tossed into this industry because I had a client who, trusted me. She knew I knew, you know, this different type of stuff. And, I got tired of repeating myself. Right? This is back when Instagram had 15 second videos, and Vines were still a thing. Vine. Shout out to me. Honey, if I'm being honest, I was looking for somebody else's shit to steal.
I was like, alright. This is what you need to be doing from week 1 to week 8. And this was, like, maybe 10 years ago. I was just scouring the Internet trying to find the information just to put on a chart to give to my clients. I couldn't find it because it didn't exist. People would take out of the industry without putting anything back in because there's no money in it. There's curing and fixing people's problems is low level stuff. Scamming and getting you a bag, that's high end stuff.
Mhmm.
And, again, the clients are the one that absorbs the decisions of the professionals that they trust. So staying if you come into this industry, if you wanna come into this industry, if you're already in the industry, find you a community that you can ask really good questions and get really good answers from. And use a little common sense. Don't let the glitz and the glamour fool you. People will say all the right things because that's what con artists are supposed to do. Charlatans get real good at making things look amazing and then have nothing of substance to back it up.
I love that word. Charlatans.
Charlatans. We got our 2 words for that.
So we are I have had you on for a little bit longer than usual for with this episode. I've been making 30 minute episodes, but the conversation has been so amazing. It's just how can we how do we even stop right now? So thank you so much for sharing all of the information that you've shared with us. And from the bottom of my heart, I really thank you for being at the forefront and caring about the patients and about the longevity of the things that we're doing right now, the long term effects of what's to happen. And after after this, I have something really I wanna share with you that I've been working on because of everything that I was learning through this journey about like I was saying, I was hearing the same complaint. No matter if the patient paid $200,000 for their surgery or they paid $10,000 for their surgery, I was hearing the same complaint over and over and over again. They don't feel supported during recovery. They don't feel like they are having the best recovery because they don't have support.
They don't know what am I supposed to be doing. How do I get through this? How can I make this better? So that's been a passion of mine over the last few years to really try to help them as much as possible, and I've been developing on the back end a lot of, programs, and I really wanna share them with you. My girls already know. They know I talk about it all the time. So before I let you go, Ty, if you are I always like to ask this. If you were talking to your best friend or your sister and she's about to embark on her plastic surgery journey, what is one tip that you would give her?
Find your postoperative provider as soon as you put down the deposit for your surgery. It takes some time to figure out because you're gonna spend more time with them than you're gonna stay with your surgeon.
I love it. That's a really great tip. Do you have any tips on where they can go look?
They can come to time out post op corner on Facebook. They can send us a DM on Tozi University and say, hey. I was listening to the, Big Butt Snow Live podcast, and, I found you there, and I'd like some help on my journey. We offer consultations. They can go to our website at the very bottom, the TOSIM method, thetosi method.com. There's a directory of everyone we've trained, and then stay tapped into csl or csltherapy.org, and that's gonna be the growing platform over the next few years. If you somebody you know, somebody you care about is getting surgery, the information and research, you can do quality without misinformation, on that platform.
I love it. Thank you so much for being on the show, Ty. I really appreciate you, and I hope to see you again soon.
I'll be around.
