Evolution or Revolution: Why Leaders Must Embrace Change to Stay Relevant

The Culture Nerds - A Leadership Podcast

The Culture Nerds - A Leadership Podcast
Evolution or Revolution: Why Leaders Must Embrace Change to Stay Relevant
Sep 29, 2025
Simon Thiessen & Kirralea Walkerden

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Change doesn’t fail because of the plan — it fails because of how people are led through it.

In this episode, Simon explores why leading change isn’t just about managing logistics — it’s about leading emotions, expectations, and resistance with purpose and clarity.

You’ll learn:

  • Why “evolution or revolution” isn’t just a clever phrase — it’s a choice every organisation must make
  • The difference between change management and change leadership (and why the latter matters most)
  • What makes the “valley of despair” so dangerous — and how to help your team move through it
  • 10 straight-talking tips to lead people through discomfort, resistance, and real transformation
  • Why honesty, visibility, and relentless communication are your most powerful change tools

Whether you’re facing a major transformation or trying to embed small but meaningful shifts, this episode will challenge your mindset and sharpen your approach to leading change that sticks.


0:00 - Introduction and Monthly Resources

9:31 - Embracing Change as a Leader

16:47 - Leadership vs. Management in Change

22:31 - Leading Yourself Through Change First

27:55 - Ten Tips for Successful Change Leadership

35:49 - Effective Change Communication Strategies

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