A Foot in Both Camps

There are two worlds in play. One that asks for presence, evolution, and inner growth—and one that demands you get up, get out the door, and get the job done.

In this episode, we sit inside the tension of holding both. QuantiPapa McGill speaks from the space many men quietly inhabit—walking the path of deeper awareness while still embedded in the density of everyday life. It’s not a complaint, and it’s not a call-out. It’s a thoughtful reflection on what it means to keep showing up—with your eyes open.

With QuantiMama Jodi, they explore significance, silent resentments, recharging, and the unspoken shift that happens in relationships when one partner starts to find spaciousness…  and the other stays tethered to the task list.

• What gets overlooked or misconstrued when we don’t recognise the opposing forces at play?
• Can we honour the weight and the work of waking up?
• What does evolution look like when you don’t get to walk away?
• What gets missed when we stop seeing each other clearly?

A conversation about seeing clearly, loving generously, and living with one foot in each camp.

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Transcript

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But it's just interesting that sometimes when we feel that need to just do nothing, we either feel guilty about it because we feel that we're doing nothing, even though we are recharging our battery and we're allowing ourselves to get back to that 100% charge so we can give 100% of ourselves. Again, we Or that we're failing within our obligations rather than looking at it objectively and going, you know what? I'm just going to go and have a nice soak in a tub for an hour. read a book, I'm gonna watch a movie, I'm gonna just do a few basic things to just make sure the house survives Hello, Quanti-folks, and welcome to another episode of Welcome, everyone. We are talking about having a foot in both camps today. And how does that relate to Faarking The Shoulds? Well, Let's rewind. What does it mean to have a foot in both camps? And I think what I'm really interested in talking about is what it's like for the modern man who has an understanding or a knowing or an inner knowing about all the juicy stuff that we talk about and then operates in a world that is almost impervious to that awareness because that inner knowing sits inside all of us. So I want to talk about that and I'm really interested from the perspective of what it's like for say women who you know, might work part-time or might be full-time mums and, you know, be these mumpreneurs who are these heartleads that are doing all the groovy stuff and really looking to, I guess, create a ripple effect of a higher vibration in our community. You know, we invest in our kids a bit more, not necessarily through, you know, more activities or more material goods, but this energetic connection, you know, this real intentional connection. And then we get to luxuriate in that like high vibe, woo woo, groovy space all the time. But the men that enable us to do that from a point of view of earning income and going and doing all the stuff that needs to be done, I'm really interested in what that's like and how you make that work and how you find your voice in those more dense situations and What Yes, because it comes right back down to the core of a relationship because development is going to be at different rates or different pathways and that sort of stuff. So there's quite a bit in there and there's not necessarily There's not necessarily the opportunity sometimes for another partner, possibly one that's working full-time. And if they're in that dense world, there's not necessarily always the opportunity for them to be able to shed that and just immediately move into growth. And I guess we've probably seen it and know people that have had that struggle, where one is on a trajectory doing some ladder learning, they're just flying straight up there and they're like, well, why aren't you And that like that can like either gently shake or really disrupt a relationship where there's this fear that you buy into of I'm going to leave you behind, you know, not this thing where and maybe for some relationships that's true because there's probably a natural evolution that happens for women. I'm thinking about their 40s if they've started the now traditional time frame of having their babies in their 30s, say. And they get to that point where the kids have got a level of independence where you feel like they probably won't burn the house down. They can feed themselves if times get really tough. And so there's a spaciousness that gets created for women where they go, okay, it's my turn. It's my time. I've been of service. I've done all the things I'm meant to do. But that is absolutely underpinned by the service that is these men And that almost has the steps into the dangerous ground of it potentially being taken for granted. And, you know, especially in that sort of middle-class category, you've got, you know, you've got everything you need, you've got, you know, a good bit of wealth around you and that sort of stuff. It's very easy to lose sight of that fact that that team back at the very start is what's led to this position. And, you know, I think it's one of those things where sometimes guys get a bit of a bad rap because they can't just necessarily jump from point A to point Z quite as quickly. And, you know, when you are going to work and you're holding your space for yourself, you know, as much as everyone goes, you need to hold space for others, you need to hold space for yourself first. Because if you don't, if you're not a hundred percent committed to yourself, then you can never give a hundred percent to anyone else. So, you know, you're sort of looking at all of a sudden this, I guess you could call it an awakening, an awareness that sort of comes along for a lot of people when they have that bit of luxuriousness. And as you highlighted, the children aren't being in the house now, which is always a good thing. They might even produce And then there's a bit of a gap in there for some self-growth and some self-awareness. And women have been very good at getting together into women's circles and women's groups and getting out there and empowering one another. And they've wanted to buck the trend and push back against what I guess is loosely termed a patriarchy. And that's brilliant because that needs to be done. But at the same time, the other half of that relationship has got a foot in that camp because that camp of that patriarchy, that old world, that source of income is coming from that side Yeah. And I'm interested to know whether in these modern times, if there is such a thing as a patriarchy, I know that there are different cultures that's like, well, there'll be a more predominant kind of force field, say, so in these kind of ideas where what the man says go, he's the head of the family. But I feel like for many cultures, and certainly in our privileged Western space, what the man says might go in terms of his ego, but the old, you know, my big fat Greek wedding joke is that the woman is the neck and she turns the head of the man in the direction she chooses, right? And so this idea that in fact, it's not really a patriarchy, it might just be a traditional way that we've approached things. But I have a sneaking sense that men underneath the surface are actually Like, don't know if they're Arthur or Martha. in the sense that they aren't quite sure anymore. Like, you know, am I the head of the family? Am I not the head of the family? Where is my voice in this? How does the counterbalance go? Does it balance out with what I'm being reflected in society? What is healthy masculinity? What is toxic masculinity like? It's an effing misstep, like just waiting to happen, isn't it? And what's It does to some degree. I mean, lucky enough that we've always had beautiful open communication in our relationship. And anyone that knows us, I've always said to them that when I found, when I was looking for a wife, and I was, I was looking for my equal. And that doesn't, didn't necessarily mean equal in absolutely everything I do, but my equal, I guess, in more of a, probably back then in a more rudimentary sense, it was about someone that could hold their own, people having good conversations, someone who had their own interests, their own life, and they just wanted to share all of that with me, and I wanted to bring everything I had and have this beautiful, equal, harmonious relationship that then Yeah. And so I guess that's probably morphed over the time of Just taking the lead, baby. Try to keep up. I'll do my best. And, you know, all of a sudden, you sort of look at it and you go, In our family, we've developed what I think is a really good balance. If you have an opinion, or if I have an opinion, or if we have a difference of opinion, we express it to one another in a kind and loving way. And if we need space, we take space, and then we come back and we have open discussion. But we spend a lot of time getting to that. And you sort of, I do, it's the same thing where I think about these, a lot of these guys that can't necessarily step outside that world at all. They feel so tied to it because it's their sense of identity. It's their sense of ego. It's their sense of, I've got to do this for my family. That is driving them. And so they just don't have that ability to step into that growth. And I think sometimes blokes get a rough Yeah, I feel like they're sometimes maligned. I wonder, because obviously everything is energy and every thought has the ability to affect the environment around it, like every single thought. So with that in mind, like what is it, how do we progress as a society to keep levelling up the, you know, higher frequency, which is where that higher consciousness is. If there's a bunch of us women who are naturally tired and are starting to complain about our spouses, but in a really sort of single-minded and lacking in generous sort of notion, there's not this kind of affording of what it's like for you men. And I really feel Of course, this is where the caveat kicks in. Okay, some people are single parents, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, let's just agree that there are lots of people in different circumstances. I'm not going to talk to all of those. I'm talking about what is considered a traditional relationship. And that can be same sex, but generally there will be a person that expresses a divine masculine and a person that expresses a divine feminine, right? And so even the same-sex relationships, we know there's one partner that goes out and works full-time and there's the other partner that tends to work part-time and be the primary care of the kids, right? So they're roles within the household. So I'm talking to those. So you guys as adults can sub in the words that you need to, to make this work, but Well, that's exactly right. But I have, I mean, generalizations exist for a reason because there tends to be similarities. And so you can draw that as a comparison. But one thing I certainly am aware of is that for the primary worker, they have to walk this tightrope where, you know, they are in the provider role. They are in the protector role. It's reinforced by society. And, you know, part of that provision is to ensure you're earning an income. So if you're working for yourself, like, holy smokes, there's a whole level of extra stress that comes into your world. And I'm just, I just like, how do we help our men find that higher vibration within that? It can't just be a matter of acknowledging it and saying thank you. Because it's acknowledging that someone, and this is great rule in life, it's acknowledging that someone's in a different or a more challenging space, or they might be enjoying it, than you are. And, you know, we've had the luxury over time where I've gone part-time and allowed you to work full-time. And I use the word allowed there intentionally because No, we came to a discussion, you had an opportunity, and it was a great opportunity for your growth, for your ability, for that sort of stuff, and so I took a back seat. We've done that once voluntarily, and we've done once that mandatorily. So I guess I had a far greater insight into the other side of that, of having that time at home, and I miss because I'm back working full time, I miss the time at home. I miss that bit of luxuriousness of not feeling fatigued all the time, not feeling tired all the time, and being able to be really interactive with the people around me. And it's interesting to see how when those roles changed, how our roles changed within the family unit as well. Because there was definitely a change, but having an appreciation of what that change is and why it's happening and where it's come from is part of being able to go, okay, this is where you're at. So I've got a question for you. I mean, I think you're qualified to answer it. Do you think, it's not really a question of being harder, but do you think it is more, it can, the potential is more draining being a... a full-time parent than it is working full-time. I'm curious about this because you've done this a couple of times. As we said, one by choice, I still reckon it was kind of reluctant. You sort of went, yeah, it's okay, it's your turn, but you were sort of, you know, trying to convince yourself. The second time, as we said, it was mandated and so you were forced into it in that sense and that had that whole thing as well. they're not the same situation. And you didn't just vaginally birth and then breastfeed children. So it wasn't like your body was tied to it from a requirement there. But in terms of your experience, because I find that, me included, I tend to think full-time work is easier than full-time parenting because I find the monotony jarring. I find the I mean, because it is, it's slightly monotonous, but the other thing is caring for children when you do it one day and then you actually do it again the next day as well, like it doesn't change in that sense of there is a, there's a ineffectualness that it feels like I just did that load of washing and now I've got another load of washing, right? Very 3D. And then there's this thing where I'm kind of, you know, feel responsible for their spiritual growth and their, you know, frequency harmony and, you know, their mental wellness and what they're here to do and shaping these, you know, helping shape these young minds. So there's a lot of, we put a lot of weight into it as well. Us, you know, more aware parents. So what are your thoughts on that? Do you think we talk ourselves into the fact that it's a tougher job Possibly. I think some people are just wired that Obviously, we're talking about the ones who don't love it, right? The In our household, we have two type A personalities. Two people that are used to both being out there and being at the forefront of Yeah, being the guy. The guy. Talk to Yeah, my preference, as I've shown, is to work in that full-time capacity. And I don't know whether that's tied to the rest of identity and ego and all those sorts You do say it, obviously, when you address that, but maybe that's your natural proclivity, is to be Yeah, and maybe that's the role where I see the most in alignment with who I am. It's an interesting thing, though, because as you're sort of saying, when you're looking at the both camps, and you're just going over then some of the different things, and looking at it from that stay-at-home parent, side of things, where you are doing everything day in, day out, and it's monotonous, and it's boring, and you know there's more to life, there's more value of who you are. Then you start getting that little bit of space, and then you decide it could be a part-time job you throw in there, it could be spiritual growth and development that you throw in there, it could be homesteading. It could be any of those sorts of things that suddenly appeal to you and you start a different layer of growth. And that growth, as the time starts to luxuriate, as you move out of those really formative years for children, all of a sudden you've got this ability to just range. And sometimes. And that's an amazing thing, because any growth is a good thing. But then the disparity comes. And I wonder if this is why we have so much divorce around that 40s, sort of 50s sort of age group, as kids are hitting that early teens sort of area where they're suddenly dependent. There's the growth's happened, but it hasn't been shared. And having a foot in both camps, I guess given my now experience of being back full time again, I'm a far more aware being than what I was. So I'm constantly looking and going, okay, what else can I do? But there's still times where I'll come home and I just don't have anything left. I might have, you know, done my role and sat there and held space not only for myself but for a number of other people that are going through different things or being challenged through a period of time and then come home and there's nothing left there Well, that is something we tell ourselves. I've got no time. I've got no energy. I'm out of this. I'm out of that. And I'm like, man, if a bus landed on your kid, you'd be able to lift it off there. No props. It's this idea that energy is limited. It's not. It's limitless. So that is something that we tell ourselves, no doubt. feeds into, and I keep coming back to this and at some point. there will be a podcast on this. The pervasiveness of our permission-based society, because it's like we're conditioned to need permission. And we don't need permission, but we do that as a way of, I've done, you might say, oh, I've driven this many kilometers today, or work was this intense because of X, Y, Z, and suddenly you need validation to sit down and rest rather than saying, Right in this moment, I need to recharge, right? My battery is just run down. And so we still talk in this permission-based space. And I wonder, like for you, and you may be able to talk to this, you may not because you've been, I think, fairly consistently creative as well when you've been working. Probably not to the extent that I have, but that's okay. Like I had more spaciousness. Is there an envy that you think exists when you work full time and you see your spouse starting to get some spaciousness? Like, I'm sure at some level you celebrate it, but some level you go, nice bloody life you've got there. Hey, enjoy that wifey, go be creative. And like, does that sometimes... because obviously we're talking about farking the shoulds in this podcast. And part of the shoulds are that you should celebrate your spouse for their creativity. You should celebrate the fact that they've reached a milestone with the kids not being the house down, feeding themselves, like all that kind of stuff, right? So there's all these ideas of shoulds of celebrating that. And as we talk about, there seems to be a natural point in relationships where that obviously is not happening, there's like a massive swing the opposite direction where there's a resentment that builds up. They're no longer communicating and so it just becomes, I do this, will I do this? And so this real intentional divide that happens where neither is willing to come to center point, let alone In terms of, I guess there is the potential for there to be a jealousy there of going, well, hang on a minute, you know, there's no kids, you're at home by yourself, what are All husbands know not to come in the door and say, what do you do having been on the other side of that coin, I know you don't stop in that role, as much as you might. And you might think you're luxuriating when you take half an hour or an hour to do something for yourself. You know, how, oh my And it's more like, how dare you not? And I guess there is probably a level of wanting to be there to luxuriate at the same time. You chose this person for a reason. If they've got an hour where they're going to do meditation, or they're going to put a five-minute song on, or they're just going to just take 10 minutes to themselves, you sort of want to be there. And you want to be part of that, not necessarily the rest of the years of work that went into it or the, you know, three and a half hours worth of organising to get something up and going to get children entertained for 10 minutes. So, yeah, the other thing you sort of came back to is I wanted to change just the language that you used before. You can try, but... What suddenly came to me with this asking for permission or asking for validation, it all comes back to that, Oh, That sense of... He's looking Maybe I just need to hear that. But it's coming back to that belonging insignificance. So whatever role you're playing within your relationship, Um, that acknowledgement, as you sort of said that the reason why I think that struck me as going, yeah, that that's one that you need is because it gives a sense of significance to what I'm doing. Um, that I'm out there and I'm doing this. I'm not necessarily, don't always love I would rather be sitting at home or not sit But I'd rather be interacting with you on a physical Yes, yes. But also that belonging, that acknowledgement is a belonging of your role and where you belong outside of that work relationship. And that's, in terms of a foot in each camp, You know, there's a lot that you're exposed to when you're at work from external people that are peripheries, colleagues, workmates, sometimes friends, managers, people that make decisions and hand down stuff and you just have to do and you are just a number. There's a lot of stuff there that's buffeting you in that work environment that expectations of other people as to why aren't you doing this in your free time? And what do you mean you're not doing that? You're not living, breathing 100% work. You're living and breathing as little of the work as you can so that you can throw yourself into the other side of that relationship. It doesn't change the fact that there's going to be expectations people are going to want to take from your bucket. or your role is going to take from your bucket before you then get to where you wish to be spending your, well, it's going to take from your farks, where you wish to be spending your Yeah. Hmm. So if you had a magic wand and you could, no, we'll call it a magic paintbrush and you could paint the life that you want right I think it would be more time here. It'd be more time being around where we live, around one another, around our family, without necessarily feeling that sometimes I'm a bit fatigued or a bit needing Yeah. Do you think the issue is you Possible. Possibly. And, you know, you have times where you feel like today, for example, the day we're doing this podcast, it's been raining overnight. It's cold, it's windy, it's wet. Yeah, it's the shit of the day. It's miserable. My energy levels are low anyway. I don't feel like being out there and bouncing around. And it's sort of a change of season, almost, Mark, today. Yeah. But it's very shouldy to continue that motivation when it isn't reflected in the environment. I mean, this weather is like a reminder to just become a little bit more insular, not completely. We're not talking hot water It does sound pretty good, actually. Thanks, folks. OK, folks, I've got to go. But it definitely is about just maybe bringing that focus a bit more internally and making sure that you do do something that nourishes you to recharge your batteries. I mean, I tend to write it on my to-do list, but I don't do it. So now I've decided that given I live in a quantum world or whatever word you want to use it, but a world of infinite possibilities with limitless energy, I'll just collapse time. And so the hour-long meditation that I'm going to do, I'm going to squish into 40 seconds and I'll feel... I'm like a fast recharger. That's what that is, right? The phone still works. You put on a fast recharger, it's a fast recharger. It's back at 100%. Fantastic. Doing all the things it needs to do. You're Oh, I'm impressed, because I have seen you do it. I've seen you compress time and make it work for you when I just thought things weren't possible. In terms of that taking that time, I guess, to recharge the battery and Well, you are here, and there's no one else to focus on, Just you and me. Uh, it's part of that expectation that you then put on yourself to get other things done, to achieve other things. So, you know, we live on a bit of property, so there's always something that needs to be done. And if it doesn't get At some point in time it has to be done. And so, you know, the buck stops where? It stops here as well. So you feel even on the day, like this. And that's probably part of my makeup. Part of my, yeah, let's No, no, no, you're basically here under the microscope. Thank you, folks, But it's just interesting that sometimes when we feel that need to just do nothing, we either feel guilty about it because we feel that we're doing nothing, even though we are recharging our battery and we're allowing ourselves to get back to that 100% charge so we can give 100% of ourselves. Again, we Or that we're failing within our obligations rather than looking at it objectively and going, I'm just going to go and have a nice soak in a tub for an hour. I'm going to read a book. I'm going to watch a movie. I'm going to just do a few basic things to Yeah. One of the most effective things I have done is I have decided to have a day off where I've gone "eff" it. I'm not doing any of it. And what I find is that once I've done that, essentially, wiped the calendar and just granted myself the spaciousness, then I find I recharge fast again and I actually don't need the whole day. And suddenly I'm back up and being productive. The other thing I was thinking about when you were talking about it, because one of our dear friends talks to her kids about the fact that she has a battery and one of her kids definitely discharges it faster than the other. Right. And so this is her language around this high intensity kid. And I just love it because, in fact, He gets it too, right? She's able to say to him, you are discharging my battery too fast. So go a little bit further away from me so I can work on recharging or just it doesn't happen so fast. And that analogy is actually really useful. And I was thinking about I get that, right? That feeling of recharging, say, if you want to do some stillness or you want to go for a walk out in nature and do your recharge, however you want to plug in and fill up your cup. That is doing something, we know that. Intellectually, we know that, but somewhere in our belief system, we don't buy it, right? We call BS on it. And the thing that happened the other day was that I, for some reason, I don't know what's going on. Apparently there are slow chargers now and fast chargers for phones. And I was using what appears to be a slow charger. So my phone started at 21% and I'm like, shizen, I better plug it in, but I'm still doing some stuff. And literally it was charging and by the time I finished my tasks, it was at 19%. I'm like, it's charging and it's running out of battery. Right. And it was charging the whole time. So my point is that it's all very well to have a belief system that if I don't If I if I stop and do nothing, say, which is obviously not nothing, there's no such thing as no thing. But if I do nothing and recharge my inner battery, then somehow that's doing nothing. But it's not true, because even whilst I was doing activity, whilst my phone was charging, it was still depleting the battery. And I thought that was such an eloquent analogy of the fact that if I had just left it, and not asked anything more of my phone, it would have actually charged up far quicker because I was putting an impedance on it. I was forcing it to work under duress. It's already trying to charge. And I'm like, no, no, I still need you to do some more things. Right. So that analogy, if we can work on a way to internalize that, even if you need to give yourself permission, but the efficiency of that recharge where when you don't try and do other things, right? Like I'm thinking about the mums that sit down and they go, I'm just going to have a cup of tea, but I'm going to read junior a book at the same time. They are not, you know, recharging activities. The cup of tea might be, But sitting there in silence or doing a puzzle or staring out the window at the leaves moving on the tree, that's a recharge with your cup of tea. Reading to junior is not a recharge. It's certainly utilizing some kind of energy, right? Because you are, you're engaged. And I know there'll be some people that love that stuff and good luck to you. But for the majority of us, it's like, no, that falls into energy use because it's engaging with my child and so forth. So from that perspective, what I want to say, and I'm saying this to myself because I'm a Monty for saying this and not doing it. It is far more efficient for us to do a fast recharge for ourselves that does not require anything else going on. Like that in itself is doing something. And it's like the power nap. And you wake up and you go, I feel like a million bucks now. Let's get on with the day. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to party all night or whatever it is that That's interesting. I like that. I really like that concept of the fast charge. And back to the footing both camps, if you're working and putting everything you've got into getting through that day, and you're doing that five days a week, and you're getting home, and there's two days where you're basically trying to recharge to go back to work Monday, and you're not gifting yourself that time to recharge. maybe a Friday night quick recharge or a Saturday morning quick recharge to put your battery back at, you know, push it right up to that 100% so that you get the best of yourself when you're home on that weekend or that couple of days with your family. It's So what sort of fast chargers can we do? I mean, you can do, I know you I love an itty bitty mini meditation. So for the beautiful folks listening, I have this practice and I teach this as well. I mean, I'll tell you and basically you're taught, so it's not exactly rocket science, but literally I have a bunch of different affirmations that go off in my phone at random times during the day. And it might be something like, I have more than enough patience, which is very helpful when you homeschool children, because you need a Or you need to change your belief system. So that's one, right? And so it will go off in my phone and I snooze it until I do it. And then literally I put the timer on for 40 seconds. I shut my eyes. I stand wherever I am. I stop anything that's going to boil over or burn the house down. And literally I give myself 40 seconds of concentrating on that affirmation to materialize it in my life. And it works, right? I teach my birthing clients this to prepare for amazing birth. We teach our parenting clients this to help them just be more present with their children. It is all possible to actually change your daily experience based on that. So that's one of my fast recharges. I love that. One thing that I also love, and I know that you're doing this now, is I love a slotted in fast recharge that you otherwise wouldn't afford yourself. And one of the things that I know you've been doing is you get to work half an hour early and you will use that for meditation or going for a walk. So you're out in nature. And so that's like, that's almost invisible time because no one notices leaving work an extra 15 minutes. You beat some traffic and suddenly you're half an hour early. It's a genius way to slot in invisible time. Yeah, or given with the traveling and that sort of stuff. And I don't like sitting in traffic. So getting up half an hour earlier and leaving 15 minutes earlier and getting in and having a half hour bit of The other thing that you did, and I'm curious because I know you shared this with our Quantifolks before, but I don't know if you're still doing it, but you used to get home and you'd park the car and then you'd walk down and shut the gate, particularly when you arrived home at night. And that was like your shutting, shutting the gate was your way of shutting. that part of your day, so you walked Yeah, I still do. I still do use that one. I probably don't have the presence of mind with it when I do it, because I think with any of these things, it's having the changing of the mindset or changing the thought pattern to align it with what you wish to get out of it, like exactly what you were saying with your mini-med. Yeah, and there's a couple other ones I do, like when I get in a car to drive, if I'm driving sort of more, well, if I'm driving Generally, I'm driving at least an hour. I won't turn car radio half an hour, but I might put a meditation on in that time. And generally don't, until I get through the first little major city, I don't turn any other mainstream or any other radio or music on until that point. And if I'm coming home and I'm not exhausted, I've got the windows down and the music blaring to keep me going for that last minute, often I'll turn the radio off again on the same, turn Yeah, just reduce the sensory input. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have the radio on at all anymore. In fact, the kids introduced music into the environment, but I am so detoxed from having that, just that corrosive noise and propaganda in my ears. It's just a beautiful thing to not have that anymore. I'm really grateful for it, actually, because I think that we're totally addicted to busyness Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I mean, quite apart from all the exposure to you know, the electronic waves and all the fields that are out there and they really do disrupt your hormones and your normal circadian rhythms and so forth. But I really do notice the fact that there is an opportunity to break those holds, and they are, they're just addictions. We're more aware of the illicit drug addiction, say, but all of these things are a pervasiveness. If they stop you from recharging your own batteries, then that in itself is... Yeah, why do we need to stay in We sort of moved away from her foot in each camp. I think we sort of had a bit more of a look at the respective pressures on one another within a relationship. I think we touched a little bit on why some people feel a disconnect. And I And not needing permission. Just doing what's Yeah, permissions are should. Fark it. Be well, beautiful people. Until next time when this luscious man is sitting opposite me, you stay very well and we'll talk very soon. Bye. Hey Quantifolks, I've said it before and I'll say it again, birth is transformational. And it can be transformational in the right way and in the not so right way. So how do we arm ourselves to be really prepared for this incredible experience? Well, you wouldn't go out and run a marathon without any kind of training. 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