Alchemising Education - (Being) Good As Gold

Picture this, if you will: you rock up to the bank for your own hard-earned cash and upon supplying your withdrawal slip, they quiz you like a naughty schoolkid. 

Umm, Nope! 

Time for a shinier Plan B. 

In this Alchemising Education chat, QuantiMama Jodi and QuantiMama Kerri swap the credit card swipes for sovereign coins with Carmelle Pavan—journalist-turned-bullion boss and the only woman steering a precious-metals dealership in Victoria. She heads As Good As Gold Australia (Vic) and co-founded As Good As Gold Women, the first bullion outfit focused for women’s financial freedom.

This conversation is full of gold nuggets. 

Did you know that gold’s jumped 34 percent in the past year — no “bonus interest” account comes close . And while 70 percent of Aussies already tap-and-go their way through life , Carmelle maintains our kids deserve to hold real value, not just watch numbers flicker on a screen.

Solid strategies to getting your kids financially literate:
 — how a single silver coin can kick-start the family nest-egg;
 — why banks push back when you withdraw (hint: unsecured creditor status);
— turning money lessons into pirate-treasure play;
— simple, non-scary first steps into bullion (no wads of cash—or testosterone—required).

If you’ve felt the gut-squeeze that our cashless, digital currency future isn’t the whole story, this convo hands you the stats and the soul-food. Grab a cuppa, tune in, and let’s raise a next-gen that knows wealth is something you can actually handle.

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You know, the reality is it was always there to begin with. The modern monetary system, 1913, was already in place, but we just didn't have the awareness, or perhaps we didn't have reasons to question, and we are questioning everything. I know I'm a former journalist, and I'm definitely questioning everything, and I know you two are as well. You know, that makes sense, doesn't it? That we have to start to look at, well, you know, what is money? Well, what are you doing with my money? What's happening in the future? As I said, we're hurtling towards a cashless society. Hello, Quantifolks, and welcome to another episode of our Little Sister podcast, Alchemising Education, Little Sister to Fark the Shoulds, because it totally underpins what we talk about. Absolutely. I am Jodi from QuantiMama Hello, everyone, and I'm Kerri from QuantiMama Thanks for joining us. And today we have a lady in red looking absolutely radiant. We have Carmel Pavan from As Good As Gold Australia. She's the general manager of Victoria. So no small feat there, but she is also a champion of women understanding and getting what we call financial literacy in particularly precious metals, but just financial literacy generally for this crazy old world we're in. So Carmel, we'll obviously talk more about all your fantastic ventures that you've got going on, but welcome to Alchemising Education. Oh, Well, we're really grateful that you've created space in your busy day for this. And some might sort of think, well, what's this got to do with alchemising education? But when we start educating the mothers, then the children naturally start being the byproduct of that education as well. And I think that's something that you're focused on, obviously, encouraging wealth of women. I know that you're a brand partner for that organization. You also have As Good As Gold Women, which is about educating women on the value of precious metals. But we see that as a great way to then start educating our kids as well, because I certainly know that in school, I was never taught about precious metals or even anything other than we were talking about the fact that we all ended up with like one of those CBA, you Yeah, that was our introduction, wasn't it? And it's kind of like when we're kids and we get an introduction to something new, that's obviously all we then know and it's just what we follow and we don't tend to steer off that path. We want to sort of try and look at what are the other ways that we as mums, and then obviously the knock-on effect for children when it comes to financial security and sovereignty. So yeah, Yeah, so I guess even if you would love to share with us how you came to know that this was of value and it being your compass for where I remember those days too, when the Commonwealth Bank had the little dolomite savers and all the children in the area started saving. That was not a bad thing. But look, you're right, generally, and I want to talk more about that, that unless you're in finance, you don't get the education. And I know as myself, myself included. So how did I start? I literally stumbled into precious metals. I knew the co-founder of As Good As Gold Australia, Darryl Paines, about nine years ago and we were doing a kind of like a joint marketing, network marketing event. I met him. He thought I was a good fit. He was looking for someone to really start looking at, you know, selling bullion, gold and silver. but also being part of the education process because I do believe that's what we do. We don't just sell bullion. It's not just transactional. We create a relationship with the person. We have confidential conversations. I get to know our clients really well. And I think it's really important because that creates trust. So yes, I've been in different roles for As Good As Gold Australia, strategy, business, marketing, and then events. So we started doing a lot of events in capital cities around Australia. I'm based in Melbourne, the head office of As Good As Gold Australia is in Adelaide. We are the third largest, fastest growing, but we never see precious metals advertised. I mean, I've got some, I'm surrounded by gold and silver, which I really am dying to show you. But I mean, in all honesty, we don't hear about gold and silver, do we? We never hear it from our financial planners and our accountants. And there's a really good reason for that. So what we decided to do is have these smaller events in capital cities about six or so pre-pandemic, six or so years ago. And we would fill a Saturday afternoon in a hotel, let's say, the venue would hold 100 to 150 people, no kidding, five or 10 women. So the CEO said, well, why are women not interested in in finance? Are they not interested in their financial future? Are they not interested in bullion? Maybe we should do something about it. So As Good As Gold was then born. And it is the first bullion company in the world, actually, as far as I know, that is dedicated to educating women. to really look at their financial future, to start to learn and really essentially purchase what is known as the top tier world class investment, which is gold and silver. So that's really how it all started. I don't use the brand as often these days. It's interesting though, we've had such an upswing of women. So first, the pandemic was all about what's happening, this is affecting my health, my children's health, my family's health, my health. That dust has settled for now, generally speaking, but we're now looking at finance. And in this incredibly uncertain time, we are seeing more and more women are actually now at the forefront of looking at their finances and taking care of their families and their money, their finance. So bullion is a really great way to start. And, you know, I'd love to talk more about some details there and how it I think it's very helpful to unpack that for people, because certainly I had no awareness of precious metals whatsoever before the pandemic. So from my like, that is a real juncture in my life. But then I wasn't homeschooling my kids back then either. And I wasn't questioning the degree that I question now. So I really appreciate the fact that it was a catalytic gift to start pulling that stuff apart. What do you tend to find are the main questions or I guess things that you're surprised that people don't know that they ask That's a really great question. Number one is because it's not advertised and I mean, it's very expensive if you do advertise, but I think all the huge financial investment companies and banks will just suppress that. So gold and silver, well, my financial planner, these are the myths. My financial planner, my accountant, they don't invest in gold and silver. They tell me to steer away from it. Well, I actually have worked in three different finance firms, and I was also selling bullion on the side, if you like. Now, this is my full-time role and has been for a number of years. But I remember when I spoke to these financial planners and tax accountants, basically they said, oh, there's nothing in it for us. There's no trailing commission. So why would they sell it? Why would they even promote it? And there's actually no GST. Gold and So that's one kilo of silver. There's 32.15 ounces in silver. Well, this is real money. And it's a product. So we sell a product, which just happens to you pay financial, your fiat currency, and you're buying real money. So that's the first myth is, well, these so-called finance experts, they tell me to steer away. Secondly, oh, it's only for the millionaires. You have to be really wealthy to purchase gold and silver. And I don't know, it sounds too hard to buy. Well, it is extremely simple. and you can start with half an ounce of silver is about $35 at the moment so it's you know you can definitely go up you know go up but we always encourage start off small get your gold get your silver i'll show you now just one ounce of gold so it's a little nugget but that's one ounce of pure gold and by pure i mean 99 is classified as 99.99 purity and Australian gold, well specifically Victorian gold is the highest purity of gold, the third highest purity gold in the world. So Australian gold is very sought after and you know we've got great mines here. So you've got the mining company that mines gold and silver and then the raw product goes to the refiner, the refining companies. So they're all from Australia, all our gold and silver is from Australia. We have our own products and also Perth Mint is based in Perth in West Australia and it's actually been around for 125 years. It's the only mint that actually makes the coins that we sell as well. So anyone can buy. You don't have to be a millionaire. Absolutely not. It's very easy. Come into the office. Call us. We'll send you an invoice. You can literally come in with cash. And so we've got products to sell, or we've got clients all over, thousands of clients actually all over Australia. And we do just courier their products discreetly to them. No one knows that they're getting it delivered to, it's under another company name. And when it comes to trust, well, you know, it's all about trust, isn't it? Particularly when we have our hard-earned money that, you know, we just need to know that we're doing the right thing. you need to trust the bullion dealer. So we do pride ourselves that we are very trustworthy. We give as much information. We have YouTube videos with global experts in economy and in finance. We go to the experts to find out, well, you know, what is going in this incredibly tumultuous world landscape that we're living in at the moment. The energies are just through the roof as we feel it. And, you know, we do. The other thing is that when you buy some gold or silver, you can always sell it back. Yeah. That level of accessibility is really helpful. And I think that I don't want people to feel like this is actually a sales pitch. Obviously, we have a relationship with you because I was a customer. One thing that I want people to understand is that I had no experience in this, but when I started questioning stuff, I started going, How can I be sure that the ones and zeros that are allegedly safe in the bank is either fiat currency, so that's just our regular currency to people that aren't familiar with what fiat means, but also say the stock market is ones and zeros, the crypto market is ones and zeros, and you can't hold it in your hands. And I bought only a tiny amount and then we got super stuck with a big bill. And I literally just went into a gold office and then walked out with cash, feeling so relieved. And I was like, shit, if I had have just relied on say, oh, we've had this bank account McGill was saving for a surfboard. 20 years ago I gave him $2,000 and I think he's made a total of $300 interest in 20 years. And if that's not telling, I don't know It's just not what people are hearing about though, is it? Like the mums and dads, a lot of them are just not hearing about this as an option. We only know what we're being told through the mainstream media. And that just seems the most accessible Really, it's, you know, and it's also how we trade on a daily basis, but it's the actual ability to save and have something sitting there that's tangible. And I think then that knock on effect to the kids, because I know we've got a few little coins and bits and pieces at home as well that we've had, and we've sort of showed the kids, look, this is what it actually is. And, you know, you almost, although it's a serious thing, you play games and say, what do you think this is worth? And then you have all these sort of ideas around, well, if this is worth this, you know, you compare it to what a car's worth or what, you know, a microwave worth or what a phone's worth. So Well, I was just going to say just quickly, Carmel, that one of the things I loved about As Good As Gold is that you were, and I know you're going to do some show and tell for us as well, which I love, but you did a bit of show and tell when I brought my kids in and that level of engagement they have never had before. They've never had that level of engagement in money. Like our youngest is so scattergun, he'll just leave a $50 note around the house. That's his birthday money. And if it disappears, we, you know, have a tear for a second and that's it. But when you produce his gold, he was like, he was like Gollum, you know, with high pressure. He just loved it. And I think that engaged and enchanted, you know. That's the genius of what I think you guys offer and why I loved our experience with Because kids aren't even going to the banks anymore. That's awesome. They're not They're just, they're doing it all digitally. Well, look, that's a whole other discussion, but those stats are at the moment. 70% of Australians do not use money, do not use fiat currency, 70%. So 30% still do. And they might be writing on the street, but eventually by the year 2030, we'll be a cashless society. That's what our treasurer said. So what a great way to go back to, all right, so silver coins. So going back to children, I have, and I remember that, that was such a delightful session with you. and your beautiful boy. So there's just a, there's a freedom. See, I don't know if you can see, but it's got the phoenix rising from the ashes, freedom that was developed during COVID because we had to question freedom. So I have mothers and fathers, but they come in and they actually buy even one coin and the gift for their children, like for one recently for her eight year old, who then put a pirate sticker on it. and says this is treasure. And you know what? It is treasure. It is holding its value. So what does gold and silver do? Why is gold and silver so important? I need to pick up now. Here's a kangaroo. So there's a gold coin kangaroo. Alright, so with King Charles on the back because this is a Perth Mint and Perth Mint is the only one authorised to put a Head of State, King Charles on the back. Everyone, every other coin for example has our branding. This is a store of value. It's like an investment saving. It's going to increase over time. Do you know gold's increased 34% in the last 12 months and you cannot find another No, costing sometimes. That's exactly right. So think about buying a bit of gold and silver, putting it away. Parents buy for their children if they're not thinking for themselves and the grandparents are buying for their children. Passing on the legacy. I remember when I was a child, my grandfather, Mediterranean background, Southern Italian, I remember I was a kid and My grandfather showed me some gold and cash he had hidden under the freezer. And I thought, wow, we're wealthy, we've got gold. So I thought, yeah, that was a really interesting thing for me to listen to. I had a gorgeous girl who worked with me. When she was 15 years old, she was studying in high school, she was studying economics. And they were talking about buying shares, how to trade. and other assets. I can't remember, maybe property. What are the assets? Property, cryptocurrency. I'm not sure that they were teaching that. She certainly does herself. So she's 15 years old and she just said to the teacher, what about gold and silver? Because her parents have gold and silver, real money, store of value. And the teacher reprimanded her and said, if she asked that again, she'll go to the principal. So she then defied them and started purchasing. Now, she's 25. So at 15, she's coming in to buy bullion. And 10 years ago, if you bought gold and silver, you would have probably times 10 your worth. It's gone up that much. So it's just, it is something we're thinking about as parents, it's something we're thinking about to get started. It's a very easy thing to do. And there's lots of reasons why, you know, financially, look at what's happening at the moment. Some of the women that come in, The wonderful women who come in tell me that, you know, these are the stats really. So women, did you know women in Australia have, we've got the sixth longest lifespan in the world? So that means we've got great health system, we've got great produce, the air is fairly decent to be the sixth longest lifespan. But you know, women are living longer. And if you have children, you're out of the work system, you may not have as much superannuation. What's the divorce rate in Australia these days? About 52%. So women, my clients, and this is when it all started when I started interviewing some of our female clients, the first six interviews I did just to learn their experience, not just listening to me, but you know, finding out how they were self-educated and decided to invest in bullion or buy bullion, and they were saying that they have the house and the children, no money, and financially they were not educated at all. One of them didn't realise how they didn't actually have to pay bills. And so these are women who then, you know, I admire them so much, they started researching, they started, you know, they took a chance, and they started small. And, you know, here we are today, very, very happy that they've done that. Because we're not educated, as we said, this is an alternative. And I'm just encouraging just to think about diversifying and have an alternative. My father passed away, and my mother just kept spending all her money. No idea even how to save. And I thought, well, she's 81 this year, and I'm glad I jumped in. Because, you know, she just wasn't thinking of her financial future. And we don't know how long we have on this beautiful earth, do we? It is really starting Totally. And obviously the schools aren't teaching it either. So that when you are thinking about those mothers who are educating themselves, they can be educating themselves at the same time as educating their children and learning together and growing together. And it's a really, you know, it's a much more enjoyable way of doing it. So, yeah. And I think also just thinking about, you know, the funds being in a home, It's not equitable. What is it when you're trying to take the money You can't access it. So it's kind of like, well, it's nice. Most people think that the home is everything when it comes to financial security. And of course, it does provide you with a safe place to be. Until you need some extra bucks to pay the bills for that week. And then you're kind of going, OK, well, how am I going to get access to some money when it's all tied up in homes? to have those other ways of actually doing it. And when banks are closing down and you can't just walk into a local bank anymore that's as easy either, I think access to other ways of keeping your funds alive is really I find it fascinating that you need to justify at a bank if you want to take out $5,000. I don't I don't think people know that. Some, no. So a bank firstly is not there to serve you. A bank is a business, number one. The second thing is that you're an unsecured creditor to the bank. So you give them your fiat currency and they lend it to someone else. They put it in the markets and they make money for themselves. So if you want to pull or cripple a bank, 10 to 15% of clients who go in one day and pull out all their cash, fiat currency, that bank's So it's a very, very challenging time. I have had mostly older women who come in to say, oh, I've gone to the bank, they won't let me take out my $10,000. That can be a hard time. What am I buying? What do I need to do? Why do I need to do this? The bank is justifying by saying, oh, it's because we're trying to enable the fact that you're not being scammed. But hey, it's your money, you know? And I'm really being honest, they are giving them a hard time. So it's challenging because you can come in and buy where you won't be able to buy this. This is a 10, that's actually 100 grams, which is a little more expensive because one gram of gold at the moment, ladies, is $5,244 spot price. There's a slight, there's about a 1% difference. So gold is that much now and continuing to increase, but silver$56 an ounce. What a big difference. So, you know, and then we've got half ounce. I want to actually share something with you. So the one ounce of silver, and then the half ounce, and then we have now the one tenth. So that's about $8. That's the size of a five cent piece. Why I wanted to make this, a point now is just to let you know there are communities, so I know personally because I've been there, regional communities. So in Castlemain, which is kind of north-ish in Victoria, where there are about 25 retailers and businesses that now allow you to go and buy products or cafes, lunch, coffee, etc. And then you can pay with silver. So before the modern monetary system, we were paying with silver. So you know, going back to when we were bartering, you know, I've got a bag of tomatoes, you might have some pineapples, let's swap. Well, we're using again, going back using silver because silver is inexpensive. You know, not a lot of people have two ounces of gold in their pocket. but they certainly do with the smaller amounts of silver. And so we're going back to that era again, where we're helping the community, we're using some silver to buy products, we're going into bartering, we're helping our neighbours, we're sharing and we're really going back to living that organic life, which I'm secretly loving, actually. I mean, my father used to be very paganistic and grow biodynamic you know, vegetables, fruits, chickens, etc. You know, we have to go back to at least starting to respect the Earth from where we come from, because this, first of all, does not actually come from the Earth. It is, I think it's an alchemy, or an alchemical product. And I hold gold and silver, and I kid you not, after a few minutes, I feel like that kind of conduit, if you'd like to, so. That's Well, that's right. And in fact, then it becomes this adjunct to, you know, having a thrive life as well. And I think that we particularly the whole money thing, it's been kept, obviously difficult to understand, largely inaccessible. Obviously, there's been an intentional thing in the education system to you know, take out any education around precious metals. And I agree, we have colloidal gold and colloidal silver in our swag of, you know, healthcare in our house. So yeah, there is definitely an energetic signature that's there. And it just is, it's a complete opposite to take making money cold, dirty, benign, like all the kind of low-grade programming that we have around that stuff, which is probably why women haven't gravitated towards it and haven't learned around that stuff because it has a very kind of ugly masculine feel to it. And it's almost like you need to justify it so people understand. But there's something beautiful about holding it in your hands and connecting in with money just like you would if you grew your own food and you connected in with food that was off your land or local. So Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Plus, there's the other side of it as well. You know that whole adage of, you know, you're either spiritual And I've worked in it for a couple of decades. I've done a lot of sort of self-education, self-development, spiritually based courses. ley lines and pagan anthropology, etc. And I think that's where being in bullion, it's like a perfect adjunct, where it's money, but it's decentralized. So it's off the monetary system. It is, as you said, you know, it's sacred, it's precious, and it is a great store of value. You physically hold it, you physically own it. And women are starting to absolutely gravitate towards that. And because I do believe, you know, there's that, we are a human, a spirit in a human experience. And we do have a lot to learn and share from that level. It's not just about business, not just about corporate and chasing that dollar. There's a lot more to it. And we're starting to now see that our consciousness is raising. As you know, in general, we're becoming more aware of what's happening, because, you know, the reality is it was always there to begin with. The modern monetary system, 1913, was already in place, but we just didn't have the awareness, or perhaps we didn't have reasons to question, and we are questioning everything. I know, I'm a former journalist. And I'm definitely questioning everything. And I know you two are as well. You know, that makes sense, doesn't it? That we have to start to look at, well, you know, what is money? Well, what are you doing with my money? What's happening in future? As I said, we're hurtling towards a cashless society, Yeah. And more than that, when you start getting questions around why do you want to take your money out, the mirage of it being in a trusted institution, somewhere safe that you can have access to any time, totally gets obliterated. And so that trust, people need to bump into that to understand that is not available. That's a mirage and it's a very different thing to holding that precious metal in your hand, say, or managing your own cryptocurrency portfolio, however small that is. But what I love and what you've just obviously indicated is The ability to hold these precious metals in our hands and actually absorb that energetic field and just allow for that to infuse is just next level. And I think that people are starting to call bullshit on the separation between science and spirituality. They have never been mutually exclusive. They were always integrated. We just got gas lit on that, that they were separate. Yeah. I think, well, again, it goes into, you know, we all try to do the right thing. No one questioned anything, but that's done now. That's completely over. You know, we talk about self, I do consultations about 10 a week, self-managed super funds. That's a whole other story. With the superannuation fund, we've all had super. It was, you know, mandatory. Well, you know, good luck if that's going to give you 34% and it's invested in the share market and look at, you know, again, the volatility of what's happening now, that is your retirement savings. And I am so passionate about it because a lot of people may not have $50,000 to buy bullion, but they certainly have a lot of money tied up into their super that they have no control over. going to happen when, you know, the financial markets start crashing. You know, the central banks are going to launch stable coins and digital currency. So, you know, this is part of the world that I live in, which it starts to make a lot of sense to me, thinking about what Yeah, I think it's the volatility is something that's a really good thing to just highlight as well, because there is a lot of volatility. And to know that you can hold something yourself. And one of the things I love to do is, you know, go back and just have a look at a few of the coins that we've got and then just teach the kids or, you know, just let them know what the increase has been in the price. Remember last year, this is what the price was. And a year later, now it's worth this. So that takes away that risk and that volatility. As a family, it's like you're maintaining that control over your financial situation, whereas there is so much volatility out there on so many levels. And I was sort of listening to something the other day about even how China with their you know, central digital currency and how that's starting to be questioned now because the trust is eroding. So I It does feel like, and basic parents like us can get on board. So if we can do it, anyone can. It's like we're proof of that, you know. But what I'm curious about, because I want to have people use this as a springboard. Where to from here, Carmel? How do they get more educated? How do Well, first, can I just say that what you've just said about educating your children, I do that with, I don't have children, but I have nieces, and they're really savvy and they can always have a look at the website or anywhere else to say, wow, it's gone up again. Yeah. So good on you. And, you know, that's a great start. And they really take that in. Look, just I'm available, I guess, for just a conversation or explaining anything as good as Gold Australia or my team. I've got an all-women staff by the way and I do believe that it's the first in Australia where we're all women that can help you. The head office has a couple of the guys as well but in my team it just happened that way. So you just give us a call or drop an email, whatever we can do to assist you I'm here to help. I'm absolutely passionate about it. It's not like I'm selling a bag of chips, you know. It's something that I believe in and it's about, you know, our financial future, which I really think we need to be serious about. So, here to serve. And it really is simple to actually get access. Yes, it is. come and claim because it's just a matter of just transferring whatever money from one bank to the other and you can either store it with you guys or you can, depending on the amount, you can just hold it yourselves if you're not wanting to sort of go too big. So yeah, it's doable, it's simple, it's nothing complex. So you don't need a financial advisor in order to access Yeah. So the first thing that we encourage people to do is to fark the should of needing to be qualified or have a penis to understand this stuff. It's very helpful just to start the conversation. And yeah, I mean, you guys are just, you're so accessible. Yeah, I think it feels quite scary because we haven't felt empowered to do that kind of stuff. But as soon as you have an entanglement with, say, the main institution where they say, no, you need to justify why you want your money, I think that's where the lionesses are coming out and they're going, oh, not on my watch. So thank you so much for making this available to our community because I feel the snowball and the kids these days will just benefit because they will just understand this and they will resonate with this so quickly. They will understand their sovereignty. They've been born for these times. So it's a beautiful thing to have access to these kind of resources like As Good As Gold are Absolute pleasure. I'm absolutely grateful as Thank you, Quantifolks. Thanks for sticking with us with this conversation. It can feel very uncomfortable because it's so new and so foreign and it feels like, you know, you need your big girl pants for this kind of stuff. It's so new yet so old, right? Correct. That's what's weird about it. And I've had colloidal silver in my cupboard for like 15 years, but never thought to buy any precious metals. So in fact, it can, it feels so strange, but go and find out more and look, get your kids Yeah. Until next time, Quanti-folks, come out again. Thank you so much for your time. We look forward to our next conversation. Be well, beautiful people. Hey quantum folks, you know the conversations that we have about alchemising education are underpinned by our amazing Take the Leap course for parents, which is all about de-schooling the parents. If you're keen to deep dive more then check out the quantimama.com website and find the Take the Leap course. 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