Alchemising Education - Progress Report: 5 Years of Trust, Autonomy and Letting Go

What does homeschooling look like after the panic settles down and real life takes over?

In Alchemising Education Season 4, Episode 56, QuantiMama Jodi and QuantiMama Kerri share a five-year homeschool progress report. This episode is for homeschool-curious families, reluctant homeschoolers, and parents questioning whether mainstream education is still the right fit for their child. It explores trust, autonomy, the potency of deschooling the parent, and what happens when learning is no longer forced through someone else’s timeline.

This isn’t a shiny success story tied up with a neat ribbon. It’s a reflection on the (sometimes) free fall, the (inevitable) surrender, and the deprogramming that can happen when parents stop trying to control every part of their child’s learning. The QMs unpack what they’ve learned across five years of homeschooling, what surprised them, and why autonomy has become one of the strongest indicators that things are actually working.

The pressure parents put on themselves to recreate school at home is real; the fear of getting it wrong, and why being a child’s parent matters more than being their perfect (on paper) teacher. Real reassurance for families who are in the messy middle and wondering whether they’re doing enough.

Inside the episode:

•  what five years of homeschooling has taught the QuantiMamas 
•  why deschooling the parent matters 
•  how autonomy supports confidence and problem-solving 
•  why grades are a flimsy measure of a full human life 
•  how to trust the process when it still feels uncomfortable 

If homeschooling has felt equal parts brave, untidy, liberating, and mildly unhinged, this episode will feel like a good exhale. Press play for a grounded reminder that there’s more than one way to raise capable, connected humans.

Transcript

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So we don't even know what this world's gonna look like- No

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in 5 minutes, let alone- No

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20 years.

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Yeah.

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And do we wanna wish upon this child, who could have all of the experiences in the world- Mm.

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Yeah

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in this beautiful skin sack of ours- Yeah

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safety, comfort, and certainty?

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Mm.

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Oh my God, what a snore-fest.

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Like, we're here for life.

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Yeah.

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We're here for the richness of life.

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We're here for life- Yes

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and we don't bring children in to create a sense of comfort, and certainty, and safety.

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Hello, Quantifolks, and welcome to season 4 of Alchemizing Education, our little sister podcast for Fark the Shoulds.

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I'm Jodi from QuantiMama.

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Oh my God, it's so good to be back, and I'm Kerri from QuantiMama.

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And wherever you're joining us, whenever you're joining us, we are coming in fresh after a long break.

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Yeah, a well-deserved break though, Jodes.

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Absolutely.

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And I think, you know, we're back with lots of gusto.

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We love gusto.

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We love gusto.

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Gusto's awesome.

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So today we wanna actually talk, do a progress report, don't we?

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It's a great opportunity.

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I mean, obviously we don't always wanna look back into the past too often- Mm

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but sometimes it can be a really, really helpful- Mm

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um, place to go when we wanna just sort of reflect on some decisions that we've made in life- Mm.

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Mm

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and go, "Well, did it work?"

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Mm.

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Well, there was something I was listening to the other day, and I, we had a bit of a chat about that.

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Um, and it was, uh, this woman who we've followed her work for some time, and she was just essentially confirming what we're already doing with our kids.

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Mm.

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And I think, I don't feel that I need validation, but it is nice to see what we're doing reflected by other people as, like, a, a really intentional and, I think, um, accurate, um, course of action to support our kids in these wild times.

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Yeah.

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And they are wild times.

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Each, each day is, like, a new exciting thing-

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that's going on worldwide.

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Yes.

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Um, and I, I just, I think that we can get caught up in the drama of that, and so we need to stay steady with- Mm

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I guess the long view- Mm-hmm

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and our foundational decisions.

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And, you know, I read a lot of the noise that people are experiencing when I look at forums and see- Mm

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what's happening out in, say- Mm

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um, the alternate ed or homeschooling community- Yeah

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or even just people who are curious about homeschooling, and really feeling the feels about how shite the traditional schooling, um, model is right now for kids- Mm

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and the dissonance.

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And so holding steady within that.

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And so we thought, you know what?

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Let's just have a little progress report.

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We'll do a midterm, um, check-in.

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Yeah, midterm report.

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Because we've

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Yeah, midterm report.

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We've been doing this for now- Mm

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4 to 5 years.

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We're- 5 years

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into our 5th year.

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5 years.

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Yeah, so 5th year.

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And, you know, this is an experiment that's constantly evolving.

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Happy to use- Yeah

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our kids as the canaries.

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I, I think they're really flying.

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There are moments where I think they're not.

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But for the most part, I think they're flying.

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And so I really just wanted to reflect on where we've come from- Mm

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how we've essentially, uh, I think self-taught in terms of being- Absolutely

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homeschooling parents.

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I mean, I still identify as a, um, reluctant homeschooler.

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I, I say we homeschool, and then I kinda say, "Well, we have the kids at home," is actually the technical term.

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Um, but the, we have kind of fallen into a really beautiful rhythm now.

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There's an intentional rhythm that we're meant to do- Yeah

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and then there's the rhythm that actually happens.

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Um, and so that's okay.

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They kind of, you know, uh, work in beautiful polarity, where one sometimes has more traction than the other.

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And so, so be it.

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And, um, we just kind of live our lives as best we can, trying to extract learning opportunities at some point during the week.

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But tell me, what came up for you as you started thinking about your mid-year report and how you're going as a parent?

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So much, so much.

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I mean, what- Where, where are you sitting in the grade scale, Kezza?

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Uh, I reckon A+.

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No, I'm only kidding.

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Wow.

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I'm actually kidding.

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No, go for gold.

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Go for gold.

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Why not?

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A+, happy days.

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Well, no, no.

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That's, that's not realistic, and it's not necessary to even really say that.

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But, you know, I just feel like what's been really beautiful to witness is the unprogramming of ourselves from society's expectations- Mm

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and how when we role model that- Mm

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our kids are able to do the same.

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Mm.

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They are able to go with what resonates for them, which what feels right in their bodies, and that's a beautiful journey.

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That's a journey that, you know, when I was talking to my son the other day about it, he was sort of saying how, you know, even from a problem-solving perspective, at school, you're told how to problem solve.

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Like, you're even given the formula on how to problem solve.

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Whereas one of the things he's loved about homeschooling is the fact that he can get to do things his way.

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And he can learn his way.

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And then he can keep refining it his way, and he feels like he's in control of it.

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And when I look at that and I think, as adults, don't we love that as well?

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I think- We don't love not getting it right.

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Of course not.

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But we definitely love, I think, the discovery within that.

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And, and the- Mm

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the s- the sense of, um, I know this probably isn't the right word, but control over it.

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So it's more the autonomy that we have over it.

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Oh, like a manipulation of it, you know?

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There's that extra

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I mean, I think it's like an authority frequency that comes in that- Mm

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helps us problem solve.

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But when we're actually left in the deep end, with encouragement, but essentially under our own steam, we don't have that manipulation.

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Mm-mm.

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And we get to own the whole experience, which is rich.

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Yeah, totally.

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It's, it's really good.

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And I think the other thing I've really reflected on is the letting go of the control of his learning overall.

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Like, you know, we have so many people ask us about

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programs should I follow?

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How do I do it?

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What does a day look like?

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And it's, it's relevant, and it's fair to ask- Mm

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those questions- Mm

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especially when in society we are so used- Mm, mm, mm

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to being, you know, uh, shown how to do things- Yes

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and given all the tools and- Mm

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to- you know, shown all the methodologies that are out there.

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But when you let go of all of that, and you kinda go, "Actually, it feels good not to be on someone else's timeline- Mm

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or someone else's curriculum or, um, someone else's guidance," it's, it's really that we've discovered it together for ourselves.

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And that letting go process is really hard.

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Because it's not what we're comfortable with.

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But when I did that, and I allowed for that, you know- Mm

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I, I, I haven't looked back.

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And, and I know, you know, I know my son thanks me for it all the time.

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All the time.

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So I guess what I wanna say then within that space is that we can, we could sit here, you know, 4 or 5 years ago and say, "Trust and surrender.

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You, you need to- Mm

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allow your kids to discover their own love of learning."

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I feel really confident in that now because we're sitting here 5 years later, and our kids are evidence of that working.

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And we also are, I think, mostly on the other side of that experience- Yep

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of falling into that trust and surrender.

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'Cause the free fall sucks balls.

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Like- Yeah, yeah

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it's hard.

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And it, there's a story in there about providing as a parent as well.

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And so this idea that somehow you're leaving your kids to fend for themselves, and the big hungry tiger might come along and gobble them up, and so there's this feeling- Or we might get into trouble.

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Oh, that's right.

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Well, and the trouble thing as well.

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And so again, it's that authority parental frequency- Mm

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that sits outside of the family unit.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so knowing where that- Mm

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um, parental authority comes in- Yeah

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and where it's appropriate.

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Like, within our household, we still have a parent authority.

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Yeah, of course.

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Because they're living at home- Mm

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and they're children- Mm, mm

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and they still need some help with, you know, I think sometimes- Boundaries and- Yeah, guidance- Mm-hmm

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and boundaries- Mm-hmm

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and, and maybe sometimes just a little bit of soundboarding in terms of, um, you know, they get to sort of talk through what's going on for them.

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Yes, yes.

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And we don't solve the problems- Mm-mm

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but we do listen to them.

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We say, "In your situation, I might choose to do X, Y, Z."

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I know that we've talked about before that we use muscle testing- Yes, yeah

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in our, in our family.

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So we use a lot of whole body muscle testing, and that works extremely well.

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Mm, mm.

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Like, my eldest right now is, I mean, he would be

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He's the equivalent of year 12, but he's found his niche.

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And so his studies are basically all about this niche that he's fallen into.

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And he'll be turning 18, um, later this year, and so he, he's thinking about, okay, what does he wanna do?

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Does he wanna go back overseas?

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And there's a lot of uncertainty, I think, right now- Mm

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in the world.

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And that might peter out- Mm

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or it might- Mm

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not.

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Right?

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Like, we'll be able to sit here at, you know, December this year and go, "Well, that didn't turn out as we expected," or it did.

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Okay?

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So that will just be what it is, and I'm not looking to manipulate that outcome.

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I hope for the best- Mm, mm

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but, you know, prepare for the worst.

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And so within that, um, I was talking to him about the fact that I wouldn't be in a hurry to go overseas.

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Mm, mm.

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You know?

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I, I see the overseas thing as like a funnel.

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Mm, mm.

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Um, it's where you will be captured for requirements to do with digital IDs and all manner of things, and if you're all for it, then, you know, go traveling freely.

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Mm, mm.

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If you have a different opinion, then you maybe have- Mm

234
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a different opinion and you need to think about your options.

235
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Yes.

236
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So part of that conversation was I said in my values system and where I'm at, you know, now being 50, 'cause, you know, I've hit the, um, one third of my life marker.

237
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Yes.

238
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Um, not the halfway point.

239
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The one third.

240
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Mm-hmm.

241
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Um, where I'm at, I've done some travel.

242
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I feel really blessed to have had that experience- Mm

243
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without the pressure of what I see as a bit of a shit show going on- Mm

244
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in the background.

245
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Mm.

246
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And so I don't

247
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It's not unchecked off my bucket list.

248
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But for him, you know, moving from 17 to 18, wanting to go experience the world- Yes

249
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I can feel that.

250
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And so- Mm

251
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what I said to him was, "Ultimately, you have to deci- decide."

252
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Mm.

253
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"And so go and get all your information."

254
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Interestingly, he's calling in all these people that are affirming to him it's completely safe and fine to travel- Ah-ha

255
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and it'll be no big deal- Mm

256
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and he won't get trapped anywhere and yada, yada, yada, right?

257
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Interesting.

258
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So I'm observing that.

259
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But what also has happened is he said, "It's all right, Mum, I'll muscle test it."

260
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And I said, "To be honest, when we take you to the airport, if you do decide to go, I will be hugging you like it's the last time I see you."

261
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"Because I, I want you to know that I'm okay with all of it."

262
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"Like, if it works out that you get stuck over there, or you suddenly fall in love and meet someone and never come back- Mm

263
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anytime soon- Mm

264
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maybe 'cause you can't, maybe 'cause you don't want to, whatever, right?"

265
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Yes.

266
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"I will be so grateful for our 18 years together."

267
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Mm.

268
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"And I release you into your experience."

269
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Mm.

270
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Yes.

271
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I mean, I'm not so conceited to think, um, that I have any control of keeping him anyway.

272
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No, that's right.

273
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But I want him to know- Mm

274
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he has my blessing to go live his life.

275
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And that has been, I think, one of the most powerfully evolutionary experiences- Mm

276
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the last 5 years has gifted us.

277
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Yes.

278
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You know, I've always been pretty okay- Mm

279
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with the idea of my kids going off and living their life.

280
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Yeah.

281
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And I've also been okay, and I've talked to them about this because, you know, we've had some deaths in the family, that I need to be okay with them dying.

282
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Mm.

283
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Otherwise, I hold them too tight, and I don't want that.

284
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No.

285
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You know?

286
00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,160
Yeah.

287
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So I'm not gonna push them under the bus.

288
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Mm.

289
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But I need to be okay that they will take what I regard as risks in life.

290
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Yep.

291
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And so, and that's all part of their learning.

292
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Like, that's part of the- Totally

293
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I actually celebrate that.

294
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Yes.

295
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I celebrate that.

296
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Yes.

297
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So, you know, where, where am I as a parent, and how does that then change- Mm

298
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things in terms of supporting our kids with their learning?

299
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Because obviously- Mm

300
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that's my eldest, and it filters down to the other 3.

301
00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:31,600
Yep.

302
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Is it, um, I have really given myself grace.

303
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Mm-hmm.

304
00:12:37,860 --> 00:12:40,740
I've definitely FUCK the shoulds- Yes

305
00:12:40,740 --> 00:12:41,080
um- Yes

306
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for my youngest.

307
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So he is 10.

308
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He's moving towards 11 later this year, and he is now asking to learn to read.

309
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He's been looking at books.

310
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He's consuming audio books like an absolute mofo.

311
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Yes.

312
00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:04,780
But he now wants to read, and he could easily just be given a diagnosis of- Yeah.

313
00:13:04,780 --> 00:13:05,080
Oh, absolutely

314
00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,569.9999999998836
dyslexia or whatever, right?

315
00:13:06,569.9999999998836 --> 00:13:06,590
Yeah.

316
00:13:06,590 --> 00:13:08,840
And I'm like, that doesn't empower him.

317
00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:09,780
It doesn't help him.

318
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It doesn't make him- Mm

319
00:13:11,260 --> 00:13:13,600
you know, feel, um, calmer about it.

320
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He is doing his best to, I think, alchemize, like, a shame feeling about it.

321
00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:20,580
Yes.

322
00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:22,080
He feels self-conscious.

323
00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:22,710
Yes.

324
00:13:22,710 --> 00:13:24,970
And, and self-consciousness- Mm

325
00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:26,180.00000000011642
is a great motivator.

326
00:13:26,180.00000000011642 --> 00:13:27,760
It ca- A- absolutely, yes.

327
00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:28,780
The shame thing is- Definitely

328
00:13:28,780 --> 00:13:29,840
where it cripples people, right?

329
00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:30,460
Yes.

330
00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:30,700
Yes.

331
00:13:30,700 --> 00:13:31,640
So I don't- Yep

332
00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,500
wanna, again, a bit like our eldest, I don't wanna take away from his experiences.

333
00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:36,510
Mm.

334
00:13:36,510 --> 00:13:40,520
And so he had a moment, um, gosh, what was this?

335
00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,980
About 2 months ago, and this is where the big shift happened.

336
00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:45,840
And he was at his ninja class.

337
00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:46,040
Mm.

338
00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,780
And they were given an assignment to write some stuff down, right?

339
00:13:49,780 --> 00:13:50,100
Ooh.

340
00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:50,170
Yep.

341
00:13:50,170 --> 00:13:52,109
And you can imagine- Yep.

342
00:13:52,109 --> 00:13:53,640
he, like, he's a fiery bullet- Yes.

343
00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:54,580
anyway, right?

344
00:13:54,580 --> 00:13:57,880
He's a, he's a high-energy kid.

345
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And he had that feeling- Mm

346
00:14:00,190 --> 00:14:02,520
of what it was like to feel visible.

347
00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:02,720
Yes.

348
00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,840
In fact, no one noticed.

349
00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:04,670
There was, you know-

350
00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:06,580
25 kids in the class.

351
00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:07,960
And no one noticed.

352
00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,340
Yeah.

353
00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:12,160
But, um, and it wasn't a big part of the class, but he felt that visibility, and so- Mm

354
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:20,380
it was a, it was interesting as a parent, holding that space, to not, um, amplify what could be shame- Mm

355
00:14:20,380 --> 00:14:23,430.0000000001164
and just keep it in the self-conscious zone.

356
00:14:23,430.0000000001164 --> 00:14:29,030
And so that self-conscious zone then became something that I was using as a prod going- Mm.

357
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:30,280
Well- "Are you invested now?"

358
00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:30,780
Mm.

359
00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:30,810
"Are you ready?"

360
00:14:30,810 --> 00:14:31,780
"Do you wanna learn?"

361
00:14:31,780 --> 00:14:32,270
Mm.

362
00:14:32,270 --> 00:14:34,360
"Like, you're the only one holding this up."

363
00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:34,370
Mm.

364
00:14:34,370 --> 00:14:35,800
"So you get to decide."

365
00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,460
I said, "Look at what you do at ninja."

366
00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:37,880
Mm.

367
00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,620
"You learn the most complex, physics-defying moves I've ever seen."

368
00:14:43,620 --> 00:14:43,700
Yeah.

369
00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:46,339.9999999998836
Like, I couldn't in my wildest dreams do that with my body.

370
00:14:46,339.9999999998836 --> 00:14:46,900
Mm.

371
00:14:46,900 --> 00:14:51,060
And you're learning this, and you're falling into trust, and you're falling- Yes

372
00:14:51,060 --> 00:14:54,469
into just surrender, and you're doing the discomfort when you fall- Yes

373
00:14:54,469 --> 00:14:55,140
and hurt yourself.

374
00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:56,780
Like, and you get up and do it again.

375
00:14:56,780 --> 00:14:57,072
Mm.

376
00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,460
Reading's just something else like that.

377
00:14:59,460 --> 00:14:59,490
Yeah.

378
00:14:59,490 --> 00:15:00,420.0000000001164
Yeah, perfect.

379
00:15:00,420.0000000001164 --> 00:15:01,79.99999999988358
Beautiful.

380
00:15:01,79.99999999988358 --> 00:15:02,800
And it, so for parents- Mm.

381
00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,140
out there who are not in this space- Mm

382
00:15:06,140 --> 00:15:08,740
this is why I love our Take the Lead program.

383
00:15:08,740 --> 00:15:08,880
Yes.

384
00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,600
Because we concentrate on the parents.

385
00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,060
Mm.

386
00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:12,69.99999999988358
We do.

387
00:15:12,69.99999999988358 --> 00:15:14,579.9999999998836
The kids, the kids will be okay, won't they, Cath?

388
00:15:14,579.9999999998836 --> 00:15:16,660.0000000001164
Oh, ab- And this is the thing.

389
00:15:16,660.0000000001164 --> 00:15:20,140
I think as parents, we feel like we have to do everything for them- Mm.

390
00:15:20,140 --> 00:15:21,690
and we have to motivate them.

391
00:15:21,690 --> 00:15:22,010
Mm.

392
00:15:22,010 --> 00:15:25,060
And we have to be directing them and guiding them.

393
00:15:25,060 --> 00:15:25,760
But you know what?

394
00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,530
The kids know intuitively already what it is- Yep

395
00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:29,480
that they need.

396
00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,640
And as you say, pushing them into things before they're ready, shaming them because they're not- Mm

397
00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,510
doing what other kids- Mm

398
00:15:35,510 --> 00:15:36,920.0000000001164
their age is doing- Mm

399
00:15:36,920.0000000001164 --> 00:15:40,000
is really damaging to themselves.

400
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:46,640
And that gets carried through, as we all know, because everyone's got their own stories from childhood traumas of whatever sort it might be.

401
00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:47,020
Yep.

402
00:15:47,020 --> 00:15:48,980
It gets carried into adulthood.

403
00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:49,380
That's right.

404
00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:52,790
And this opportunity that you presented, your 4th 1 Mm

405
00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:55,480
because I know there's been a lot of criticism along the way.

406
00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,800
There's been a lot of people going, "Ugh."

407
00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:57,880
Yeah.

408
00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,120
"Oh, you should be sitting him down and reading."

409
00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,608
Yeah.And you just went, "Nope, he's not ready.

410
00:16:03,608 --> 00:16:05,508
I'm only gonna be pushing him further."

411
00:16:05,508 --> 00:16:05,887.9999999998836
Mm.

412
00:16:05,887.9999999998836 --> 00:16:07,988
Um, i- it's gonna be an ugly, you know- Mm

413
00:16:07,988 --> 00:16:09,828
interaction on a daily basis.

414
00:16:09,828 --> 00:16:10,208.00000000011642
Yeah.

415
00:16:10,208.00000000011642 --> 00:16:11,288
You know, so you took

416
00:16:11,288 --> 00:16:13,048
You have taken the long game.

417
00:16:13,048 --> 00:16:13,637.9999999998836
Yeah.

418
00:16:13,637.9999999998836 --> 00:16:16,098
And I think that is far more- The very long game

419
00:16:16,098 --> 00:16:17,387.9999999998836
k- the very long game.

420
00:16:17,387.9999999998836 --> 00:16:19,438
And it, it, the uncomfortable- Yeah

421
00:16:19,438 --> 00:16:20,908
the uncomfortable long game.

422
00:16:20,908 --> 00:16:24,008
The impolite long game according to society.

423
00:16:24,008 --> 00:16:24,867.9999999998836
Yes, yes.

424
00:16:24,867.9999999998836 --> 00:16:25,728.0000000001164
So much.

425
00:16:25,728.0000000001164 --> 00:16:26,108
Mm.

426
00:16:26,108 --> 00:16:28,568
But when the time is right, these kids- Mm

427
00:16:28,568 --> 00:16:30,248
will be ready to learn.

428
00:16:30,248 --> 00:16:30,478.0000000001164
Mm, mm.

429
00:16:30,478.0000000001164 --> 00:16:33,778
And this is possibly when I was talking to my son about this the other day.

430
00:16:33,778 --> 00:16:33,818
Mm.

431
00:16:33,818 --> 00:16:36,828
He said, "Everyone graduates in year 12 at the same time."

432
00:16:36,828 --> 00:16:37,268
Yeah.

433
00:16:37,268 --> 00:16:39,217
But they're all actually at different stages.

434
00:16:39,217 --> 00:16:39,418
Course they are.

435
00:16:39,418 --> 00:16:41,168
Even when they graduate year 12.

436
00:16:41,168 --> 00:16:41,677
Mm, mm.

437
00:16:41,677 --> 00:16:42,848
You know, or the year 6 Mm

438
00:16:42,848 --> 00:16:43,468.0000000001164
for some.

439
00:16:43,468.0000000001164 --> 00:16:47,568
But, you know, um, so he said, you know, everyone is an individual.

440
00:16:47,568 --> 00:16:48,148
Yeah.

441
00:16:48,148 --> 00:16:49,848
And treating them as an individual- Mm

442
00:16:49,848 --> 00:16:52,537
rather than assuming that everyone's gonna get to the same outcome- Mm

443
00:16:52,537 --> 00:16:54,408
by the end of their school journey- Mm

444
00:16:54,408 --> 00:16:57,188
is not realistic, and actually not fair on the individual.

445
00:16:57,188 --> 00:16:58,048
Of course it's not.

446
00:16:58,048 --> 00:17:04,627.9999999998836
Well, especially when it actually gives them, I think, you know, certain beliefs about themselves- Yeah

447
00:17:04,627.9999999998836 --> 00:17:07,258
that are down regulatory- Yep

448
00:17:07,258 --> 00:17:12,738
and don't help them be better versions of themselves and, you know, hamper their creativity and- Absolutely

449
00:17:12,738 --> 00:17:13,887.9999999998836
their desire to grow.

450
00:17:13,887.9999999998836 --> 00:17:16,058
And that, I've got the other side of the story- Yeah

451
00:17:16,058 --> 00:17:17,108
in my family as well.

452
00:17:17,108 --> 00:17:17,568
Yeah.

453
00:17:17,568 --> 00:17:19,608
Where the school system actually- Mm

454
00:17:19,608 --> 00:17:21,328
took all of that away from them.

455
00:17:21,328 --> 00:17:21,947.9999999998836
Mm.

456
00:17:21,947.9999999998836 --> 00:17:26,627.9999999998836
You know, and to then find their sense of self again and to find what they love to learn about- Mm

457
00:17:26,627.9999999998836 --> 00:17:28,828
has taken a very long time.

458
00:17:28,828 --> 00:17:34,048
And, what, 3, 4 years out of school, 3 years out of school, and still- Well, that's gone fast

459
00:17:34,048 --> 00:17:36,447.99999999976717
still, still cha- still challenged by the fact that- Mm

460
00:17:36,447.99999999976717 --> 00:17:41,748
oh, now, now studying i- in a topic that one is really interested in.

461
00:17:41,748 --> 00:17:41,848
Mm, mm.

462
00:17:41,848 --> 00:17:44,248
But still challenged by assessment tasks.

463
00:17:44,248 --> 00:17:44,968
Yeah.

464
00:17:44,968 --> 00:17:46,068
And all of those sort of things.

465
00:17:46,068 --> 00:17:47,328
So those things do carry through.

466
00:17:47,328 --> 00:17:48,498
That shame- Mm

467
00:17:48,498 --> 00:17:50,078
that, that fear, that worry- Mm

468
00:17:50,078 --> 00:17:51,068
I'm not gonna get it right.

469
00:17:51,068 --> 00:17:53,208
I'm, I'm gonna get a bad score- Mm

470
00:17:53,208 --> 00:17:54,688
or I'm not gonna pass.

471
00:17:54,688 --> 00:17:55,748
I mean, that carries- Mm

472
00:17:55,748 --> 00:17:57,988
through with you in all aspects of your life.

473
00:17:57,988 --> 00:18:02,028
So I can just say I'm enormously proud of the approach that you've taken.

474
00:18:02,028 --> 00:18:02,588
Mm.

475
00:18:02,588 --> 00:18:04,828
And to know that he's now ready.

476
00:18:04,828 --> 00:18:05,488
Mm.

477
00:18:05,488 --> 00:18:06,898.0000000002328
He will do it like that.

478
00:18:06,898.0000000002328 --> 00:18:08,208
Well- He will pick it up so fast

479
00:18:08,208 --> 00:18:13,947.9999999997672
it's funny how often people say that and, and that might be true, but so far it's not.

480
00:18:13,947.9999999997672 --> 00:18:15,697
Like, it's- Mm.

481
00:18:15,697 --> 00:18:20,148.00000000023283
So I guess what I wanna do is sit here and be an example of a parent that's playing the long game.

482
00:18:20,148.00000000023283 --> 00:18:20,368
Yeah.

483
00:18:20,368 --> 00:18:20,888
And it's

484
00:18:20,888 --> 00:18:26,208
And yes, when we zoom out, and perhaps this time next year he'll be reading novels.

485
00:18:26,208 --> 00:18:27,368
And I hear that all the time.

486
00:18:27,368 --> 00:18:27,468
Yes.

487
00:18:27,468 --> 00:18:34,628.0000000002328
And people say that to go, "Oh, well, that's great, you've given him the space and, and he'll just pick it up straight away and before you know it"

488
00:18:34,628.0000000002328 --> 00:18:35,028
Mm.

489
00:18:35,028 --> 00:18:37,837
And I see it in the, in the forums and the chats- Yes

490
00:18:37,837 --> 00:18:42,408
of these parents looking to soothe these other parents- Yes

491
00:18:42,408 --> 00:18:42,998
around that.

492
00:18:42,998 --> 00:18:45,958
And I'm like, "I actually don't even give a shit about that-" Yeah

493
00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:46,588
"to be honest."

494
00:18:46,588 --> 00:18:54,388
I, actually, my primary function here is to hold space and keep curating a love of learning.

495
00:18:54,388 --> 00:18:55,228
Mm.

496
00:18:55,228 --> 00:18:56,458
That's what I care about.

497
00:18:56,458 --> 00:18:56,548
Absolutely, yes.

498
00:18:56,548 --> 00:19:00,148.00000000023283
So if the reading thing is still hard- Yeah

499
00:19:00,148.00000000023283 --> 00:19:02,577
and it is still challenging- Mm

500
00:19:02,577 --> 00:19:05,208
in a year's time, then that's what it is for him.

501
00:19:05,208 --> 00:19:05,548
Yeah, that's right.

502
00:19:05,548 --> 00:19:07,308
Because the opportunity is there, right?

503
00:19:07,308 --> 00:19:07,988
Yeah, that's right.

504
00:19:07,988 --> 00:19:10,088
So maybe he will, maybe he won't.

505
00:19:10,088 --> 00:19:14,028
Uh, I kind of, I have 2 kids that are voracious readers.

506
00:19:14,028 --> 00:19:14,528
Yes.

507
00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:19,808
And so from a, um, you know, penis-measuring exercise as a parent-

508
00:19:19,808 --> 00:19:21,238
I trot them n- out as my- Yeah, yes

509
00:19:21,238 --> 00:19:22,688
examples of good humans- Yes

510
00:19:22,688 --> 00:19:24,208
that I've done well at.

511
00:19:24,208 --> 00:19:24,588
Yes.

512
00:19:24,588 --> 00:19:25,088
You know?

513
00:19:25,088 --> 00:19:27,388
Like, that's my parenting tick that I've done well.

514
00:19:27,388 --> 00:19:31,868
And then, you know, we use the other 2 as case st- case studies.

515
00:19:31,868 --> 00:19:33,088
You know, but that's okay.

516
00:19:33,088 --> 00:19:34,488
Like, I just

517
00:19:34,488 --> 00:19:36,898.0000000002328
I'm, I'm unattached to the ego of it- Mm

518
00:19:36,898.0000000002328 --> 00:19:43,048
because I wanna push back against people that even need to find that comfort for themselves.

519
00:19:43,048 --> 00:19:50,148.00000000023283
I think when we assure each other as parents to say, "You know, little Johnny will pick it up fast," and- Mm

520
00:19:50,148.00000000023283 --> 00:19:51,588
it's for our own comfort- It is

521
00:19:51,588 --> 00:19:53,508
because we're the one challenged by it.

522
00:19:53,508 --> 00:19:53,868
Mm, mm.

523
00:19:53,868 --> 00:19:56,217.99999999976717
But foundational beliefs- Mm

524
00:19:56,217.99999999976717 --> 00:19:57,838
are what have supported me so well.

525
00:19:57,838 --> 00:19:57,908
Yes, yes.

526
00:19:57,908 --> 00:19:59,508
And I love foundational beliefs.

527
00:19:59,508 --> 00:20:00,148.00000000023283
Mm.

528
00:20:00,148.00000000023283 --> 00:20:01,868
So my foundational belief

529
00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:06,588
Well, the first one really to get activated within this space is my word is my bond.

530
00:20:06,588 --> 00:20:07,428
Yes.

531
00:20:07,428 --> 00:20:14,288
And so if my word is my bond, and then the next thing I say is, "I just wanna cultivate a love of learning."

532
00:20:14,288 --> 00:20:14,947.9999999997672
Mm.

533
00:20:14,947.9999999997672 --> 00:20:16,528
A lifelong love of learning.

534
00:20:16,528 --> 00:20:17,408
Mm.

535
00:20:17,408 --> 00:20:22,458
Then my word is my bond as a foundational, um, platform- Mm

536
00:20:22,458 --> 00:20:26,688
then, and me sitting there going, "Okay, I just wanna cultivate a love of learning."

537
00:20:26,688 --> 00:20:27,728
That's all I need.

538
00:20:27,728 --> 00:20:28,160
Mm.

539
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:36,020
So then the rest of it falls into place, and I don't even need that appeasement of, "Oh, little Johnny'll pick it up before you know it."

540
00:20:36,020 --> 00:20:36,208
Mm.

541
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,480
I'm unattached to the outcome.

542
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,300
Yes.

543
00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:39,320
Yes.

544
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,880
I'm just gonna keep providing it.

545
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,020
Mm.

546
00:20:41,020 --> 00:20:43,640
Occasionally I get shirty at him- Mm

547
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,366
because he'd much rather sit around listening to audio books.

548
00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:49,560
And I go, "Come on, you need to do something.

549
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,030
Show me that you wanna learn this."

550
00:20:51,030 --> 00:20:52,800
And so then he'll pick it back up.

551
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:52,920
Mm.

552
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,260
I can see that he just doesn't love it.

553
00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:55,720
Mm.

554
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,700
Like, he's not lit up by it yet.

555
00:20:57,700 --> 00:20:59,660
He's choosing the books we read and things.

556
00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:00,240
Yeah.

557
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:07,820
So within that space as parents, like, even when you do play the long game, it can still feel uncomfortable and ugly.

558
00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:10,060
But not quite the intensity that it was.

559
00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:10,800
Yes.

560
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,840
I think not caring as much, or not putting as

561
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,740
It's not that I don't care, but I don't put as much stock in other people's opinions on- Mm

562
00:21:20,740 --> 00:21:22,520
how it should be done.

563
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:23,520
Absolutely.

564
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,760
And I think along with that, not just other people's opinions, but our own expectations.

565
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,240
Sure.

566
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:35,480
Because, you know, part of our upbringing has been that there is a certain expectation around how we raise families- Yeah

567
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,560
and what we provide for our children- Mm

568
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,300
and what we expect from them.

569
00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:40,200
Mm-hmm.

570
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:45,920
Um, and that expectation can be really, really damaging to the kids.

571
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:45,930
Mm.

572
00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:48,760
And I think about my son and what he's doing now for work.

573
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,440
Mm.

574
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,210
You know, I didn't even think of that as a job for him.

575
00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:54,800
Like, it wasn't even something that I factored in.

576
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,200
Like- Oh, he's just having fun, but he happens to be getting paid for it

577
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,480
he just happens to be getting paid for it.

578
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,680
Now he's not getting paid massive amounts of money.

579
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,860
But he's loving it.

580
00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:02,320
Yeah.

581
00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:04,480
He's not focused on the money.

582
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,500
He's not focused

583
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:06,720
Well, he's focused on a dream.

584
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,758
He does have a career within this job.

585
00:22:08,758 --> 00:22:09,220
Mm.

586
00:22:09,220 --> 00:22:13,280
But you know, he, he, he's just doing what he loves.

587
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:13,300
Mm.

588
00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:21,100
Now, I know when he was at school, 'cause for those of you who may be new listening to us, um, he stopped at the start of year 9.

589
00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:22,100
Mm.

590
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:24,520
And he was like, "I don't know what I wanna do."

591
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,760
There was so much pressure.

592
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,340
So much pressure about what am I gonna do?

593
00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:29,139.99999999976717
What am I gonna study?

594
00:22:29,139.99999999976717 --> 00:22:31,310
What uni- you know, university course do I wanna do?

595
00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:34,130
Like, there's just so much focus around career- Mm

596
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:35,680
and further education.

597
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,989
And he kind of just was feeling that pressure- Mm.

598
00:22:37,989 --> 00:22:38,180
Mm

599
00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:39,300
gently below.

600
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:39,740
Mm.

601
00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:42,220
And he sort of found his own way- Mm

602
00:22:42,220 --> 00:22:42,700
through that.

603
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,000
Now, had he stayed in the school system, he wouldn't be where he was today.

604
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,760
There's no way.

605
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,300
Well, it's impossible in the

606
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:52,240
Well, maybe it's possible, but I, I would say it's highly unlikely- Yeah

607
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,139.99999999976717
because the school system was mutually exclusive to his passion- Yes

608
00:22:57,139.99999999976717 --> 00:22:58,800
and he's working in his passion.

609
00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:03,720
Which is what all the self-help gurus would be recommending to all of- Totally

610
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,150
us lost 50 and 40-year-olds and whatever, right, who are having our- Totally.

611
00:23:07,150 --> 00:23:08,900
Find something that you love and you don't work a day in your life

612
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:09,360.00000000023283
correct.

613
00:23:09,360.00000000023283 --> 00:23:09,829
That's right.

614
00:23:09,829 --> 00:23:11,960
And he has to be do- happens to be doing it.

615
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:12,590
Mm.

616
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:18,820
And for some reason, sometimes I think we have that, um, limiting program.

617
00:23:18,820 --> 00:23:25,440
I don't think it's our voice, but I think somewhere in there we say, "Ah, I mean, not really allowed to work in your passion."

618
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:25,820
Yeah.

619
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:30,639.9999999997672
You know, that's, that's like a pipe dream that we all hang onto as a potential, but it's not

620
00:23:30,639.9999999997672 --> 00:23:31,820
You don't actually get to.

621
00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:32,260
Mm-mm.

622
00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:34,400
You know, 'cause then you're not being serious about life.

623
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:34,800
Mm.

624
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,780
He's rocking it.

625
00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:37,520
He's absolutely rocking it.

626
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,760
And I think there is, from a parent's perspective- Mm

627
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,220
um, this, we see the big picture.

628
00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:43,500
Mm.

629
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,139.99999999976717
You know, we can see some of the challenges in their life.

630
00:23:46,139.99999999976717 --> 00:23:50,470
We can see how, you know, it's gonna be financially really tough on- Mm

631
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:53,000
many young people going through now.

632
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,540
Like, it's just ridiculously tough what they're up against.

633
00:23:56,540 --> 00:24:06,760
And so we then project onto their dreams what we think they should be doing, where it's going to actually help keep them, or keep us comfortable Yeah

634
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,040
and keep them safe.

635
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:08,520
Yeah.

636
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:15,420
And you know, and I just kinda think that then takes them away from following what it is that they feel is right for them.

637
00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:15,820
Mm.

638
00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:18,579
Because they become too responsible too early, almost.

639
00:24:18,579 --> 00:24:22,079
Well, kind of- Like, they kind of go, "I can't, I c- I can't do that job because it doesn't pay well."

640
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:25,980
I mean, how many times do we hear, um, from kids about their families- Mm

641
00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:27,460
about music as an example- Mm.

642
00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:28,560
or as an artist.

643
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,100
Mm.

644
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:30,160
You know, "Oh, you can't do that.

645
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,540
You won't earn enough."

646
00:24:31,540 --> 00:24:32,160
Mm.

647
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,380
For what, though?

648
00:24:33,380 --> 00:24:34,639.9999999997672
Well, exactly, right?

649
00:24:34,639.9999999997672 --> 00:24:38,940
And so what I'm finding with my son, what he's learning, is to live within his means.

650
00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:39,360.00000000023283
Yeah.

651
00:24:39,360.00000000023283 --> 00:24:41,510
And he's starting to dream about things- Mm

652
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:43,560
that are going to be with- in, in his means.

653
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:43,880
Mm.

654
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,040
So he may not have the high-flying career- Mm

655
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,740
that's paying, you know, whatever amount of salary.

656
00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:53,360.00000000023283
He's going, "Okay, if this is my career that I love doing- Mm

657
00:24:53,360.00000000023283 --> 00:24:59,580
it means that I actually can't have X, Y, and Z," or, "Maybe I need to revisit how I do things."

658
00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:59,650
Yeah.

659
00:24:59,650 --> 00:25:01,120
You become more resourceful.

660
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:01,620
Mm-hmm.

661
00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:03,540
You get more creative in your thinking.

662
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:04,020
Mm-hmm.

663
00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:06,080
You know, so you, you can do these things.

664
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,860.0000000002328
And it's

665
00:25:06,860.0000000002328 --> 00:25:09,190
So I go back to that example about music and arts.

666
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:09,370
Yeah.

667
00:25:09,370 --> 00:25:12,980
And it's the parents that put the squash on those dreams- Mm

668
00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:13,960
and those ideas.

669
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,300
Mm-hmm.

670
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:18,580
And then the kids feel this enormous pressure to be doing something else- Yeah

671
00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:21,200
because they think it's just about the money- Yeah

672
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,318
and about safety, and about their parents feeling okay.

673
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:25,060
Mm.

674
00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:29,520
And you know, I just kinda go, "Well, here's an example, and your son's gonna follow in the same footsteps of what he's doing."

675
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:29,660
Yeah.

676
00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:31,680
I mean, he's, he's loving what he's doing.

677
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:31,980
Yeah.

678
00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:32,700
I just

679
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:41,600
And more than that, I get to witness him, 'cause he's got a little part-time job that essentially is in this industry, and he's so bloody good at it.

680
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,100
Yeah.

681
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:42,190
I know.

682
00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:46,900
Like, he's so g- And so my heart just swells with joy- Mm.

683
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:48,060
when I witness that.

684
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:50,360.00000000023283
When I see him in his superpower.

685
00:25:50,360.00000000023283 --> 00:25:50,370
Yeah.

686
00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:51,780
And it is a superpower.

687
00:25:51,780 --> 00:25:51,800
Yeah.

688
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,980
Like, he's next level for this stuff, right?

689
00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:54,040
Yeah.

690
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,000
I just love it.

691
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,100
Yeah.

692
00:25:55,100 --> 00:26:02,750
And I'm not swelling with love, uh, from a parent's point of view, I'm just swelling

693
00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:05,380
with love from- For him

694
00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:06,680
yeah, for witnessing it.

695
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:06,840
Yeah.

696
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,030
For, for seeing anyone in their superpower.

697
00:26:09,030 --> 00:26:09,130
Mm.

698
00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:15,230
I mean, it's a bit like going and seeing live music, and you just see someone who's just so kickass at what they do.

699
00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:17,520
And you are just so overjoyed.

700
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:17,530
Mm.

701
00:26:17,530 --> 00:26:21,808
It's almost like-It just, it's like someone's hit your joy button- Yeah

702
00:26:21,808 --> 00:26:30,408
and you're just completely overwhelmed with joy, and you c- and the love just spreads, and you just go, "Ah, it's amazing seeing people and their superpower."

703
00:26:30,408 --> 00:26:31,038
Yeah.

704
00:26:31,038 --> 00:26:33,108
And so that's what it's like when I witness him.

705
00:26:33,108 --> 00:26:33,468
Yes.

706
00:26:33,468 --> 00:26:40,008
And, and to some extent, you know, my, um, daughter as well, as she has had a few challenges just with timing.

707
00:26:40,008 --> 00:26:43,048
And I always trust the universe- Mm

708
00:26:43,048 --> 00:26:48,708
you know, has some, um, intention about where things don't flow.

709
00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:49,288
Yes.

710
00:26:49,288 --> 00:26:51,988
And so maybe there's a bit of quiet that needs to happen.

711
00:26:51,988 --> 00:26:51,998
Mm.

712
00:26:51,998 --> 00:26:55,028
Maybe there's a bit of recalibration that needs to happen.

713
00:26:55,028 --> 00:26:55,068
Mm.

714
00:26:55,068 --> 00:26:57,468
Maybe another opportunity's about to come.

715
00:26:57,468 --> 00:26:57,748
Yeah.

716
00:26:57,748 --> 00:27:07,688
And she's, in terms of, uh, the school of life, and I think, again, 5 years, you know, we really have beautiful perspective on the potency of the school of life.

717
00:27:07,688 --> 00:27:08,748
I- it's everything.

718
00:27:08,748 --> 00:27:09,548
It's absolutely- Yeah

719
00:27:09,548 --> 00:27:10,128
everything.

720
00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:11,388
Everything else you can learn.

721
00:27:11,388 --> 00:27:11,668.0000000002328
Yes.

722
00:27:11,668.0000000002328 --> 00:27:11,928
Right?

723
00:27:11,928 --> 00:27:13,808
And you learn it as you need to.

724
00:27:13,808 --> 00:27:13,928
Mm-hmm, as you need.

725
00:27:13,928 --> 00:27:17,568
But the lessons she has called in from the school of life- Mm

726
00:27:17,568 --> 00:27:20,938
have h- far outweighed anything she would learn- Mm

727
00:27:20,938 --> 00:27:22,088
in traditional school.

728
00:27:22,088 --> 00:27:22,767
Yeah.

729
00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:24,267
And for that I celebrate it.

730
00:27:24,267 --> 00:27:24,368
Yes.

731
00:27:24,368 --> 00:27:28,788
And I keep, every time she comes into me with whatever the latest stress is- Mm

732
00:27:28,788 --> 00:27:29,738
and she's in tears- Yes

733
00:27:29,738 --> 00:27:31,828
'cause she's really great at moving her emotions- Yeah

734
00:27:31,828 --> 00:27:34,008
and showing her emotions- Yes

735
00:27:34,008 --> 00:27:39,148.00000000023283
um, I just keep saying to her, "You know, the, y- you get to learn this now."

736
00:27:39,148.00000000023283 --> 00:27:39,208
Mm.

737
00:27:39,208 --> 00:27:40,638
"You get to learn this at 15."

738
00:27:40,638 --> 00:27:43,288
"I had to wait until my 40s to learn this stuff."

739
00:27:43,288 --> 00:27:43,398.00000000023283
Yes.

740
00:27:43,398.00000000023283 --> 00:27:43,538
Yes.

741
00:27:43,538 --> 00:27:47,428
"So let me help resource you so you can move through this stuff."

742
00:27:47,428 --> 00:27:50,688
And she, you know, listens to some of it, and some of it she tries and- Yeah

743
00:27:50,688 --> 00:27:51,668.0000000002328
it doesn't work for her.

744
00:27:51,668.0000000002328 --> 00:27:52,288
And I say- Okay

745
00:27:52,288 --> 00:27:53,308
"Okay, we're gonna find a different way."

746
00:27:53,308 --> 00:27:54,968
But she's working that out.

747
00:27:54,968 --> 00:28:05,348
But I think the thing that I love about that as a progress report sort of note, is that I am rejoicing in witnessing her find out about how she's gonna do life.

748
00:28:05,348 --> 00:28:05,378
Yeah.

749
00:28:05,378 --> 00:28:13,238
And I think she'll be incredibly well-resourced by the time she, you know, the universe sort of assembles to support her in whatever- Mm

750
00:28:13,238 --> 00:28:14,288
it is she's meant to be doing.

751
00:28:14,288 --> 00:28:16,228
And I actually don't know what that's gonna be.

752
00:28:16,228 --> 00:28:17,828
No, and we don't need to.

753
00:28:17,828 --> 00:28:18,188
I'm excited.

754
00:28:18,188 --> 00:28:19,058
This is the thing.

755
00:28:19,058 --> 00:28:19,648.0000000002328
Mm.

756
00:28:19,648.0000000002328 --> 00:28:21,368
We don't need to.

757
00:28:21,368 --> 00:28:26,248
But the way that we do direct a lot of families, direct their kids through- Mm

758
00:28:26,248 --> 00:28:28,988
a certain path, there's certainty in that path.

759
00:28:28,988 --> 00:28:29,088
Certainty.

760
00:28:29,088 --> 00:28:31,148.00000000023283
So sitting with that uncertainty- Mm

761
00:28:31,148.00000000023283 --> 00:28:32,788
is really uncomfortable.

762
00:28:32,788 --> 00:28:32,888
Mm.

763
00:28:32,888 --> 00:28:35,467
But when you start to learn to trust- Mm

764
00:28:35,467 --> 00:28:38,808
that things will work in the way that is right for that- Mm

765
00:28:38,808 --> 00:28:41,268
individual child- Mm

766
00:28:41,268 --> 00:28:42,447.99999999976717
that is, that- Mm

767
00:28:42,447.99999999976717 --> 00:28:44,398.00000000023283
that's why your heart swells- Mm

768
00:28:44,398.00000000023283 --> 00:28:46,188
because you know their future is bright.

769
00:28:46,188 --> 00:28:46,237
Yeah.

770
00:28:46,237 --> 00:28:47,588
You don't know in what way.

771
00:28:47,588 --> 00:28:47,967.9999999997672
Yeah.

772
00:28:47,967.9999999997672 --> 00:28:51,398.00000000023283
But you know that they're being resourced, they're gaining all the tools- Mm

773
00:28:51,398.00000000023283 --> 00:28:52,237
that they need- Mm

774
00:28:52,237 --> 00:28:54,188
to succeed in life.

775
00:28:54,188 --> 00:28:54,947.9999999997672
That's right.

776
00:28:54,947.9999999997672 --> 00:28:55,447.99999999976717
Exactly.

777
00:28:55,447.99999999976717 --> 00:29:00,328
And it's interesting, you've used a couple of words that I think I just wanna draw people's attention to.

778
00:29:00,328 --> 00:29:00,648.0000000002328
Mm-hmm.

779
00:29:00,648.0000000002328 --> 00:29:06,638
You've used the word certainty, you've used the word safety, and there was another one that you used in relation to safety.

780
00:29:06,638 --> 00:29:07,608
Yep.

781
00:29:07,608 --> 00:29:11,614
And why I wanna bring that into your awareness, not you- Like comfort?

782
00:29:12,248 --> 00:29:12,928
Comfort.

783
00:29:12,928 --> 00:29:13,848
Thank you.

784
00:29:13,848 --> 00:29:15,558
Comfort, certainty, and safety.

785
00:29:15,558 --> 00:29:20,848
And so let's just, I think just take a moment to let those sort of- Mm

786
00:29:20,848 --> 00:29:26,608
just ruminate around us, ruminate in our mind, ruminate in our body and see how they sit.

787
00:29:27,298 --> 00:29:27,328
Yeah.

788
00:29:27,328 --> 00:29:32,328
And often, I think as adults, because we're in this, um, particularly for the mums- Yes

789
00:29:32,328 --> 00:29:35,108
they're generally in this space of being the provider- Yeah

790
00:29:35,108 --> 00:29:37,918.0000000002328
of the f- the family's emotional wellbeing.

791
00:29:37,918.0000000002328 --> 00:29:41,017
And, you know, the kind of operations manager- Yes

792
00:29:41,017 --> 00:29:42,668.0000000002328
of all the stuff that happens at home.

793
00:29:42,668.0000000002328 --> 00:29:47,967.9999999997672
So the idea of certainty, comfort, and safety is highly attractive.

794
00:29:47,967.9999999997672 --> 00:29:48,467.99999999976717
Very.

795
00:29:48,467.99999999976717 --> 00:29:49,828
It- It makes our job so much easier.

796
00:29:49,828 --> 00:29:51,048
It really does.

797
00:29:51,048 --> 00:29:51,828
It really does.

798
00:29:51,828 --> 00:29:52,248
Yeah.

799
00:29:52,248 --> 00:29:58,048
But what I'd love to do is take our listeners to a place where they're holding their child.

800
00:29:58,048 --> 00:29:58,308
Mm.

801
00:29:58,308 --> 00:29:59,328
Brand-new baby.

802
00:29:59,328 --> 00:29:59,440
Mm.

803
00:30:00,368 --> 00:30:03,988
And you have the 3 wise women, in this case- Mm-hmm

804
00:30:03,988 --> 00:30:08,238
walk in, and one is bespo- bestowing a gift of safety.

805
00:30:08,238 --> 00:30:08,408
Yeah.

806
00:30:08,408 --> 00:30:16,382
One is bestowing a gift of certainty, and one is bestowing a gift of comfort to that- Mm-hmm

807
00:30:17,108 --> 00:30:24,766
I would challenge any parent to say, "Thank Christ you rolled up with certainty, comfort, and safety."

808
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,680
Because when you hold your newborn child- Mm

809
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,150
the field of potential experiences- Yes

810
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:34,420
is blown open.

811
00:30:34,420 --> 00:30:34,660
Yes.

812
00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:37,949
You're looking at this human that went from a few cells- Yes

813
00:30:37,949 --> 00:30:40,680
into something with fingernails and eyebrows- Mm

814
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,910
and makes a whole lot of noise.

815
00:30:42,910 --> 00:30:47,260
And you just can't quite imagine what lies ahead for them.

816
00:30:47,260 --> 00:30:47,280
Mm-mm.

817
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,880
You can't even fathom the world they'll be in.

818
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:49,970
Mm.

819
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:54,240
And we certainly are on the precipice of seeing massive wholesale changes as AI- Yes

820
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,300
gets just so rapidly upskilled.

821
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:57,370
Mm.

822
00:30:57,370 --> 00:30:57,900
Mm.

823
00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,600
And people are in a frenzy to understand and adopt it.

824
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:01,700
Mm.

825
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:03,740
So we don't even know what this world's gonna look like- No

826
00:31:03,740 --> 00:31:05,600
in 5 minutes, let alone- No

827
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,160
20 years.

828
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,880
Yeah.

829
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,170
And do we wanna wish upon this child, who could have all of the experiences in the world- Mm.

830
00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:13,340
Yeah

831
00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:16,100
in this beautiful skin sack of ours- Yeah

832
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:17,500
safety, comfort and certainty?

833
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:18,000
Mm.

834
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,374
Oh my God, what a snore-fest.

835
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:23,540
Like, we're here for life.

836
00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:23,780
Yeah.

837
00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:25,180
We're here for the richness of life.

838
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:25,980
We're here for life.

839
00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:26,020
Yes.

840
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:30,470
And we don't bring children in to create a sense of comfort and certainty- Mm

841
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:31,040
and safety.

842
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,050
Mm.

843
00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:32,190
We bring them in- Mm

844
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:36,820
to experience this wondrous, tactile- Mm

845
00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:42,720
um, you know, sensory experience that we get to drive with this amazing skin sack.

846
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,110
Mm.

847
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:44,120
And we're here for that.

848
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,450
Yeah, totally.

849
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:45,880
And we lose sight of that as parents- We do

850
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,890
because, again- We do

851
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:51,120
we're looking for our own comfort- Comfort, safety and security.

852
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:51,700
Yep.

853
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:52,286
Totally.

854
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,470
Yeah.

855
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:57,380
And I think that's one of the, one of the things we've learned as parents- Mm

856
00:31:57,380 --> 00:31:58,960
over the last 5 years- Mm

857
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:05,360
is surrendering and trusting that things will work out just as they need to work out- Mm

858
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,960
for each of our children.

859
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Mm.

860
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,979
Even if their journey looks completely different.

861
00:32:09,979 --> 00:32:10,479
Yeah.

862
00:32:10,479 --> 00:32:12,060
Even if their journey is short.

863
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:13,200
Yeah, that's right.

864
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,240
Yep, yep.

865
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,290
I just- Yeah

866
00:32:15,290 --> 00:32:18,240
I think we need to be okay with all the outcomes.

867
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,380
And, and again, that's that safety thing too, isn't it?

868
00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:22,220
Because when we have fear- Mm

869
00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:24,720
we hold on even tighter to those things.

870
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:24,730
Absolutely.

871
00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:26,526
And that works out so well for people.

872
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,660
It's, it's, it's- Um, that was sarcasm, by the way

873
00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:29,080
yes.

874
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,580
It just- It doesn't, it doesn't help the children.

875
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:32,230
No.

876
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:33,520
It doesn't help the children.

877
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,660
Like, you know, we just have to have that belief that- Yeah

878
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:38,040
their journey is theirs.

879
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,660
Yeah.

880
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:41,130
And that we love them unconditionally- Mm

881
00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:41,560
on that journey.

882
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,549
We're there to help them when they ask for it.

883
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:45,820
'Cause it's, you know, depending on the age of the children.

884
00:32:45,820 --> 00:32:45,840
Mm.

885
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,240
Even young toddlers- Mm

886
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,620
don't wanna be told what to do.

887
00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:49,080
Mm.

888
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,870
You know, they wanna work things out for themselves.

889
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:52,269
They wanna experience it- They sure do

890
00:32:52,269 --> 00:32:53,000
for themselves.

891
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,440
And especially the headstrong ones.

892
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Yeah.

893
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,800
I mean, they tell us to sit down and- Yes

894
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,350
you know, get out of the way very quickly.

895
00:32:58,350 --> 00:32:58,680
Yeah.

896
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,220
And, and we just see them as being- Mm

897
00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:01,160
badly behaved.

898
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:01,180
Yeah.

899
00:33:01,180 --> 00:33:03,389.99999999976717
Rather than, "Actually, I know what I need."

900
00:33:03,389.99999999976717 --> 00:33:04,500
"Please let me do it."

901
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:04,688
Yeah.

902
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,639.9999999997672
Yeah.

903
00:33:05,639.9999999997672 --> 00:33:13,070
So yeah, those, those 3 words are, I think are really, um, ones that we've really understood the value of- Mm.

904
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:13,280
Mm

905
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,400
over the last 5 years.

906
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,800
And I think our kids, I believe our kids have got that message too.

907
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,660
Yeah.

908
00:33:19,660 --> 00:33:24,560
And the witnessing that we have by witnessing them in those challenging times.

909
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Mm.

910
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,220
I keep thinking, you know, they come to you.

911
00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:29,780
They know they can come to you.

912
00:33:29,780 --> 00:33:29,889.9999999997672
Yes.

913
00:33:29,889.9999999997672 --> 00:33:35,240
They can talk it through if they want to, but we give them full permission to make their own decisions.

914
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:35,260
Mm.

915
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:35,930
And to work it out.

916
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:36,940
I'm surprised they haven't called me.

917
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:38,910
They usually would call me every 10 minutes- Yeah.

918
00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:41,220
when I leave home, so.

919
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:42,450
And they haven't- They definitely done that today

920
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:42,920
they definitely feel

921
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Well, yeah, that's right.

922
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,000
Um, they definitely feel like they can get in touch.

923
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:46,180
Yes.

924
00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:49,758
One thing that I will just share that I would, um, I think just

925
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:57,300
What I love about this is there's an opportunity just to celebrate the unknown destinations you could end up with.

926
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:58,100
Absolutely.

927
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,609
So Quanta Kid 3, um- Mm

928
00:34:01,609 --> 00:34:03,860.0000000002328
has a natural penchant for math, you know- Mm

929
00:34:03,860.0000000002328 --> 00:34:05,840
just has a kind of science-y brain.

930
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,400
And I was sort of, um, encouraging him to move into 3D printing stuff.

931
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,760.0000000002328
He seemed like he had an interest in design, and then it just didn't go anywhere, right?

932
00:34:14,760.0000000002328 --> 00:34:15,179.99999999976717
Yeah.

933
00:34:15,179.99999999976717 --> 00:34:18,239.99999999976717
I took my foot off the pedal with, you know, applying any pressure with that.

934
00:34:18,239.99999999976717 --> 00:34:18,329.00000000023283
Yeah.

935
00:34:18,329.00000000023283 --> 00:34:20,360.00000000023283
And it just kind of evaporated.

936
00:34:20,360.00000000023283 --> 00:34:21,260.00000000023283
Yeah.

937
00:34:21,260.00000000023283 --> 00:34:25,620
And then what happened was he got an opportunity to do some work experience plumbing.

938
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:26,420
Mm.

939
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:29,199.99999999976717
Ostensibly to climb under houses, I think, 'cause he's smaller.

940
00:34:29,199.99999999976717 --> 00:34:29,580
Yeah.

941
00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:31,260.00000000023283
But, um, to

942
00:34:31,260.00000000023283 --> 00:34:33,360.00000000023283
So he's been learning a few things around that.

943
00:34:33,360.00000000023283 --> 00:34:33,370
Mm.

944
00:34:33,370 --> 00:34:38,940
And he's learning from, um, people who are highly tactile, you know- Mm

945
00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:40,199.99999999976717
kinesthetic learners- Mm

946
00:34:40,199.99999999976717 --> 00:34:44,540
and just throw themselves into these experiences of learning.

947
00:34:44,540 --> 00:34:46,840.0000000002328
And so they're really great as mentors- Yes

948
00:34:46,840.0000000002328 --> 00:34:47,900
for homeschoolers.

949
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:48,350
Mm-hmm.

950
00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:51,600
Because homeschoolers by and large are often kinesthetic as well.

951
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,260.00000000023283
Yes.

952
00:34:52,260.00000000023283 --> 00:34:55,310
And they, they love to deep dive into learning as well- Mm

953
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:57,830
and just get to their saturation point, wherever that is.

954
00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:58,110
Mm.

955
00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:01,520
And so he now is interested.

956
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:08,880
I mean, he's only 13, so we've found out he's boxed out of any, um, option to be an apprentice- Yeah

957
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,950
because he's too young.

958
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:10,720.0000000004657
Too young.

959
00:35:10,720.0000000004657 --> 00:35:17,940
And the idea of him looking at an apprenticeship in a year and a half's time, it sounds really far away- Yeah

960
00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:22,870
because of just all the, um, exponential growth that happens- Mm

961
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:23,740
within that time- Mm

962
00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:25,160
when they're that age, you know?

963
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,660
Mm.

964
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:36,400
Teenagers are such, um, rich homeschooling kids because when they find what they're interested in, they have that more adult kind of mentality of they just chuck themselves into it.

965
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,490
Let's just make it happen.

966
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:38,770
They don't, they don't feel limited by it.

967
00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:41,740
They don't kind of go, "Oh look, I'll just do half an hour of this learning today."

968
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:42,860
They're like all in.

969
00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:43,620
Yeah, yeah.

970
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:45,230
And their comprehension is good.

971
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:45,250
Mm.

972
00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:47,420
And they've got all the basics sorted out.

973
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:47,480
Mm.

974
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,120
So it's really, I'm curious to see where that's gonna go, but- Yeah

975
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,200
the skill set that he's picking up and the confidence around that.

976
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,740
I mean, he was correcting my caulking the other day, and-

977
00:35:57,740 --> 00:36:00,340
I'm like the caulking queen in our household.

978
00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:00,990
So I was like-

979
00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:02,630
"Sit down, little one," right?

980
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:04,340
"You can learn from this master."

981
00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:05,440
But it was really interesting.

982
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:05,450
Yeah.

983
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:09,064
You know, he came-To me with that kind of confidence.

984
00:36:09,064 --> 00:36:09,324
Yes.

985
00:36:09,324 --> 00:36:11,494
And it's just like, I would never have predicted he would- No

986
00:36:11,494 --> 00:36:13,004
get into something- Mm

987
00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:13,804
like plumbing.

988
00:36:13,804 --> 00:36:13,864
Mm.

989
00:36:13,864 --> 00:36:15,224
But it's just lighting him up.

990
00:36:15,224 --> 00:36:17,684
So watch this space, and we'll see what happens.

991
00:36:17,684 --> 00:36:21,474
But I can tell you right now that 5 years ago, I wouldn't have predicted he would be- No

992
00:36:21,474 --> 00:36:22,964
going anywhere near- No, no

993
00:36:22,964 --> 00:36:25,624
things that involve toilets and stuff like that.

994
00:36:25,624 --> 00:36:27,944
So- Although he's good at cleaning them.

995
00:36:27,944 --> 00:36:28,924
He's a good cleaner.

996
00:36:28,924 --> 00:36:29,824
He's good, and I- Yeah

997
00:36:29,824 --> 00:36:30,544
you know, I think- Yeah

998
00:36:30,544 --> 00:36:32,104
it's actually very well-rounded- Yes

999
00:36:32,104 --> 00:36:34,264
to go from installation to cleaning.

1000
00:36:34,264 --> 00:36:34,904
Yes.

1001
00:36:34,904 --> 00:36:36,584
Um, but yeah, I just

1002
00:36:36,584 --> 00:36:37,774
I, I wanna offer that just- Yes

1003
00:36:37,774 --> 00:36:38,913
as a perspective again- Mm

1004
00:36:38,913 --> 00:36:39,964
as a report card- Mm

1005
00:36:39,964 --> 00:36:41,204
or a report check-in.

1006
00:36:41,204 --> 00:36:43,504
That, um, couldn't have predicted it.

1007
00:36:43,504 --> 00:36:48,484
And if I had have actually tried to, I probably would've said he wouldn't be into it.

1008
00:36:48,484 --> 00:36:48,884
No.

1009
00:36:48,884 --> 00:36:54,084
And I wouldn't have encouraged it, but instead what I do is I look for where those opportunities come up- Yeah

1010
00:36:54,084 --> 00:36:56,424
and then I wholesale hand it to them.

1011
00:36:56,424 --> 00:36:57,064
Yes.

1012
00:36:57,064 --> 00:36:59,004
So I might just inquire sometimes- Mm

1013
00:36:59,004 --> 00:37:00,304
and that's essentially what happened.

1014
00:37:00,304 --> 00:37:06,844
This, um, beautiful person, plumber came up to me and said, "Do you reckon, um, that he'd be interested in learning- Yeah

1015
00:37:06,844 --> 00:37:07,084
stuff?"

1016
00:37:07,084 --> 00:37:08,634
And I went, "I actually don't know."

1017
00:37:08,634 --> 00:37:10,264
"So I'll just ask him."

1018
00:37:10,264 --> 00:37:11,734
I said, "I'm not gonna answer on his behalf."

1019
00:37:11,734 --> 00:37:12,514
"I've got no idea."

1020
00:37:12,514 --> 00:37:13,204
No, you're very good like that, yeah.

1021
00:37:13,204 --> 00:37:15,884
And, uh, and so, you know, I left it with him.

1022
00:37:15,884 --> 00:37:16,994
He got in touch.

1023
00:37:16,994 --> 00:37:19,244
And then next thing you know, he's doing work experience.

1024
00:37:19,244 --> 00:37:19,304
Yes.

1025
00:37:19,304 --> 00:37:20,984
He's like, "That was so much fun."

1026
00:37:20,984 --> 00:37:21,044
Yes.

1027
00:37:21,044 --> 00:37:27,413.99999999953434
And so I, I just thought if I had have put my own judgment within that- Yeah, yeah

1028
00:37:27,413.99999999953434 --> 00:37:28,264
it might not have happened.

1029
00:37:28,264 --> 00:37:28,524
No.

1030
00:37:28,524 --> 00:37:30,044
And who knows where it'll go.

1031
00:37:30,044 --> 00:37:30,484
Yes.

1032
00:37:30,484 --> 00:37:32,584
But what fantastic skills.

1033
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:32,744
Oh.

1034
00:37:32,744 --> 00:37:34,184
How practical.

1035
00:37:34,184 --> 00:37:36,824
And, and this is the thing, the life skills are everything.

1036
00:37:36,824 --> 00:37:41,064
And if I reflect then also on my son, he did some building work- Yeah

1037
00:37:41,064 --> 00:37:41,784
if you remember.

1038
00:37:41,784 --> 00:37:42,934
It feels like a lifetime ago, doesn't it?

1039
00:37:42,934 --> 00:37:44,324
It feels like a million years ago.

1040
00:37:44,324 --> 00:37:48,124
But you know, he did some work experience for 2 different builders at the time.

1041
00:37:48,124 --> 00:37:48,163.99999999953434
Yeah.

1042
00:37:48,163.99999999953434 --> 00:37:49,163.99999999953434
Really loved it.

1043
00:37:49,163.99999999953434 --> 00:37:49,584
Yeah.

1044
00:37:49,584 --> 00:37:51,584
Really enjoyed it because he real

1045
00:37:51,584 --> 00:37:54,163.99999999953434
A- and I think what all of these little experiences do for them is- Mm

1046
00:37:54,163.99999999953434 --> 00:37:55,888
it helps them understand who they are.

1047
00:37:56,604 --> 00:37:58,663.9999999995343
It helps them understand what they like doing- Yeah

1048
00:37:58,663.9999999995343 --> 00:37:59,724
what lights them up- Mm

1049
00:37:59,724 --> 00:38:00,724
what interests them.

1050
00:38:00,724 --> 00:38:01,184
Mm.

1051
00:38:01,184 --> 00:38:04,064
So even though my son didn't go into building- Yeah

1052
00:38:04,064 --> 00:38:06,394
it's actually given him a great deal of confidence- Mm

1053
00:38:06,394 --> 00:38:07,944
like it might with yours- Mm, mm

1054
00:38:07,944 --> 00:38:09,844
that there's another skill set that they've now- Mm

1055
00:38:09,844 --> 00:38:10,704
got in their toolkit.

1056
00:38:10,704 --> 00:38:11,204
Yeah.

1057
00:38:11,204 --> 00:38:12,654
They may not need it all the time, but it- Yeah

1058
00:38:12,654 --> 00:38:17,324
could come in really handy down the track, or they might expand on it in a completely different way.

1059
00:38:17,324 --> 00:38:17,904
Yeah.

1060
00:38:17,904 --> 00:38:22,194
And so I think just giving them those sort of opportunities for whatever lights them up in those- Mm

1061
00:38:22,194 --> 00:38:24,444
moments is really important.

1062
00:38:24,444 --> 00:38:29,024
You know, and if they change their mind, which, which can happen, and we need to allow for that- Yeah

1063
00:38:29,024 --> 00:38:29,964
pivot to happen- Mm

1064
00:38:29,964 --> 00:38:31,364
'cause they're still only young.

1065
00:38:31,364 --> 00:38:31,884
Yeah, that's right.

1066
00:38:31,884 --> 00:38:33,504
And they don't have to stick to it.

1067
00:38:33,504 --> 00:38:33,804
Mm, mm.

1068
00:38:33,804 --> 00:38:36,683
But if they're still learning something- Mm, mm

1069
00:38:36,683 --> 00:38:38,563
um, those life skills are

1070
00:38:38,563 --> 00:38:39,844
You know, you talk to anybody- Mm

1071
00:38:39,844 --> 00:38:41,604.0000000004657
who learnt life skills at an early age.

1072
00:38:41,604.0000000004657 --> 00:38:43,703
They are grateful for those opportunities.

1073
00:38:43,703 --> 00:38:44,484
Absolutely.

1074
00:38:44,484 --> 00:38:51,804
And the, one other thing, uh, why I was laughing about that was that, um, he, your son was saying to me the other day about how he plans to build his own house.

1075
00:38:51,804 --> 00:38:52,114
Oh, yeah.

1076
00:38:52,114 --> 00:38:52,684
And I'm like- Yeah

1077
00:38:52,684 --> 00:38:54,244
you know, it's not even a barrier to him.

1078
00:38:54,244 --> 00:38:54,264
No.

1079
00:38:54,264 --> 00:38:56,064
It's not like I'm gonna get someone to build my house.

1080
00:38:56,064 --> 00:38:56,424
No.

1081
00:38:56,424 --> 00:38:57,234
I'm just gonna do it myself.

1082
00:38:57,234 --> 00:38:58,824
I'm thinking about I might just build this.

1083
00:38:58,824 --> 00:38:58,894
I know.

1084
00:38:58,894 --> 00:38:59,984
And I'm like- Yeah, sure.

1085
00:38:59,984 --> 00:39:00,764
Why not?

1086
00:39:00,764 --> 00:39:01,224
Okay.

1087
00:39:01,224 --> 00:39:01,794
Exactly.

1088
00:39:01,794 --> 00:39:01,913.9999999995343
Mm.

1089
00:39:01,913.9999999995343 --> 00:39:03,644
And so that's where the confidence comes in.

1090
00:39:03,644 --> 00:39:06,364
And so whilst he's not in the building industry, folks- Mm

1091
00:39:06,364 --> 00:39:08,544
he still has a very keen interest.

1092
00:39:08,544 --> 00:39:08,844
Mm, mm.

1093
00:39:08,844 --> 00:39:11,663.9999999995343
And a, and a, and a, um, a confidence- Yeah

1094
00:39:11,663.9999999995343 --> 00:39:13,404
of his resourcefulness- Yeah

1095
00:39:13,404 --> 00:39:15,554
and his capabilities- Mm

1096
00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:16,614
in, in different areas.

1097
00:39:16,614 --> 00:39:16,804
Mm.

1098
00:39:16,804 --> 00:39:18,264
And it, it, it's gold.

1099
00:39:18,264 --> 00:39:18,504
Yeah.

1100
00:39:18,504 --> 00:39:22,504
So yeah, that's, that's the 5 years on in the, in the homeschooling experience for us as well.

1101
00:39:22,504 --> 00:39:24,044
So it's going all right.

1102
00:39:24,044 --> 00:39:26,212.99999999953434
It's, it's going, it's going really well.

1103
00:39:26,212.99999999953434 --> 00:39:27,494
Our report card is okay.

1104
00:39:27,494 --> 00:39:27,584
Yeah.

1105
00:39:27,584 --> 00:39:28,764
None of them are on the streets.

1106
00:39:28,764 --> 00:39:29,844
None of them are on the streets.

1107
00:39:29,844 --> 00:39:31,224
They're not homeless.

1108
00:39:31,224 --> 00:39:31,264
Mm.

1109
00:39:31,264 --> 00:39:35,604.0000000004657
They're not, um, you know, failing at making friends- Mm, mm

1110
00:39:35,604.0000000004657 --> 00:39:37,354.00000000046566
or struggling to know what they wanna do.

1111
00:39:37,354.00000000046566 --> 00:39:40,084
That's the other thing, I think what it's given my son- Mm

1112
00:39:40,084 --> 00:39:41,663.9999999995343
particularly, is that when he

1113
00:39:41,663.9999999995343 --> 00:39:44,464
I think I said it earlier actually, he was, um

1114
00:39:44,464 --> 00:39:46,184
had no idea what he wanted to do.

1115
00:39:46,184 --> 00:39:46,224
Yeah.

1116
00:39:46,224 --> 00:39:46,734
None- Yeah

1117
00:39:46,734 --> 00:39:47,774
when he was in at school.

1118
00:39:48,384 --> 00:39:49,944
And now he's got that purpose.

1119
00:39:49,944 --> 00:39:50,504
Mm.

1120
00:39:50,504 --> 00:39:53,630
And that sense of having a purpose in life- Mm, mm

1121
00:39:54,324 --> 00:39:56,104.00000000046566
is so- Yeah.

1122
00:39:56,104.00000000046566 --> 00:39:56,754
Some direction

1123
00:39:56,754 --> 00:39:57,284
it's so powerful.

1124
00:39:57,284 --> 00:39:57,624
Yeah.

1125
00:39:57,624 --> 00:39:59,004
Just some direction.

1126
00:39:59,004 --> 00:39:59,404
Yeah.

1127
00:39:59,404 --> 00:40:00,373
And it doesn't have to be- Yeah

1128
00:40:00,373 --> 00:40:01,604.0000000004657
his forever direction.

1129
00:40:01,604.0000000004657 --> 00:40:03,824
But self-directed, and- And self-directed

1130
00:40:03,824 --> 00:40:04,554
and how we- Yes

1131
00:40:04,554 --> 00:40:07,194
celebrate that for them because you can see- Yeah

1132
00:40:07,194 --> 00:40:08,084
the difference.

1133
00:40:08,084 --> 00:40:13,394
And, and yeah, so I, I guess if you're sitting on the fence out there in, in- Mm

1134
00:40:13,394 --> 00:40:14,654
um, podcast land-

1135
00:40:16,064 --> 00:40:23,123
just find some comfort in, you know, 2 mums that literally just made it up as we went.

1136
00:40:23,123 --> 00:40:25,804
But we hung onto our foundational- Yes

1137
00:40:25,804 --> 00:40:27,604.0000000004657
um, our foundations.

1138
00:40:27,604.0000000004657 --> 00:40:27,894
Our beliefs, yeah.

1139
00:40:27,894 --> 00:40:29,280
And, and our foundational beliefs.

1140
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:29,630
Yeah.

1141
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,980
was, I think, it's a, it's a bit like having a faith, isn't it?

1142
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:35,300
Mm.

1143
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:35,900
It is.

1144
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:35,970
Yeah.

1145
00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:38,900
So you just, you put your faith in those belief structures- Mm.

1146
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:38,980
Mm

1147
00:40:38,980 --> 00:40:41,890
and they become where you make your decisions- Yep

1148
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:42,760
and so forth.

1149
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,360
And yeah, as a check-in, it's, it's felt really good.

1150
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,570
I have to say, you know, we don't on paper look like we're kicking all the goals.

1151
00:40:50,570 --> 00:40:50,704
No.

1152
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:57,180
But I think this work in progress is actually, you know, it's really looking up.

1153
00:40:57,180 --> 00:40:57,210
Mm.

1154
00:40:57,210 --> 00:40:58,130
It's really looking good.

1155
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:58,150
Mm.

1156
00:40:58,150 --> 00:41:03,060
And the m- most important thing, which is actually what I used to say to my kids when they were in school, right?

1157
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:03,160
Yeah.

1158
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,300
When they'd bring back their reports and their reports would be, you know, whatever they were.

1159
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:07,480
Yeah.

1160
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,650
I mean, primary school, seriously.

1161
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:11,900
Don't get me started on reports in primary school.

1162
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:12,040
Yeah.

1163
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:12,940
OMG.

1164
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:13,440
Mm.

1165
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,880
Anyway, they brought their reports back and, you know, they would say, "Oh, I got a"

1166
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,870
whatever in English or- Yeah

1167
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:22,980
math or- They always look at grades, wouldn't they?

1168
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,910
Well, I just said to them- Mm

1169
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:27,270
"I really don't give a crap about your grades- No.

1170
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:27,960
to be honest.

1171
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,590
That is one unit measurement as far- Yes

1172
00:41:30,590 --> 00:41:35,590
as I'm concerned, based on one clinician making that call as well- Mm.

1173
00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:35,650
Mm, yeah

1174
00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:37,680
'Cause the teacher is making this assessment.

1175
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,360
Yeah.

1176
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,080
And are you good people?

1177
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,100
Yes.

1178
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:42,260
That's what I care about.

1179
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:42,300
Yeah.

1180
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:43,980
Are you happy with yourself?

1181
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:44,260
Yeah.

1182
00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:47,100
You know, are you happy with what you're doing with your life?

1183
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:47,120
Mm.

1184
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,390
Are you giving your best?

1185
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:48,650
They're the

1186
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:50,280
Well, I don't even care if they give their best- Well, good try.

1187
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,260
because, yeah.

1188
00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:51,500
Yeah, yeah.

1189
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:52,720
I mean, to be honest- Yeah

1190
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,480
if they're having a crap day, then- Yeah, that's right.

1191
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,410
give me 100, give me 100% of what you are.

1192
00:41:57,410 --> 00:42:00,160
Like, if that's crap, then that's crap.

1193
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:00,760
But- Mm.

1194
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,300
but don't undersell yourself- Mm.

1195
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:03,910
and do be kind where- Mm.

1196
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:04,910
you have those rough days.

1197
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:04,960
Mm.

1198
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,420
I actually don't even mind about any of that stuff.

1199
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:07,070
Mm.

1200
00:42:07,070 --> 00:42:08,258
But be good to yourself.

1201
00:42:08,258 --> 00:42:08,479
Yes.

1202
00:42:08,479 --> 00:42:10,570
Like, just, that's the whole point of being here.

1203
00:42:10,570 --> 00:42:10,590
Yeah.

1204
00:42:10,590 --> 00:42:11,180
Love yourself.

1205
00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:11,480
Yeah.

1206
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,380
That's, that's it.

1207
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:13,360
So, you know- Mm

1208
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:19,880
even within school there was that, communication around, you know, just taking pressure off grades.

1209
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,920
But I have to say, living in the grade-free, uh- Zone

1210
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,400
environment- Yeah

1211
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,080
highly recommend it.

1212
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Oh, yeah.

1213
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:28,920
Yeah, definitely.

1214
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,600
Because there's, nobody knows ourselves like ourselves.

1215
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,900
And we, and you know, a lot of people are very big self-critics.

1216
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:35,540
Yes.

1217
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:40,300
And so as soon as grades come into something like that, it can be very, very damaging.

1218
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:41,080
Of course it is.

1219
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,980
Um- And there's no gold star for hating yourself.

1220
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:44,190
No.

1221
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:44,829
Mm.

1222
00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:47,480
It doesn't, doesn't help you get through in life, that's for sure.

1223
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,320
It does not.

1224
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:48,958
Mm.

1225
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,860
Yeah, so I think, um, we're doing okay.

1226
00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:53,360
Well, congratulations to you- Yes.

1227
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,980
parent.

1228
00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:54,010
Yes.

1229
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:55,180
You've done very well.

1230
00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:55,220
Yes, dear.

1231
00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:57,590
And you get a most improved tick on your scorecard.

1232
00:42:57,590 --> 00:42:58,760
Yeah, most improved.

1233
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,020
Yeah.

1234
00:42:59,020 --> 00:42:59,760
And I still

1235
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,500
You know, it goes back to role modeling this.

1236
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:04,780
You know, when we believe in our kids they'll believe in themselves as well.

1237
00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:04,880
Mm.

1238
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,230
And when we give them freedom to explore, they'll give- Yeah

1239
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:08,440
themselves freedom to explore.

1240
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,880
So it's, it's really, it really starts with us.

1241
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,530
And that's what our Take the Leap program's definitely all about, isn't it?

1242
00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:19,640
It's about starting with the parents, 'cause there's so many out there asking all these big questions and sometimes- Mm

1243
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,300
you've gotta take that leap of faith.

1244
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:21,480
Yeah.

1245
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:28,860
And can I just say in closing that if you are feeling the pressure, just take the pressure off.

1246
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:28,990
Mm.

1247
00:43:28,990 --> 00:43:31,360
Or take the pressure down, as Johnny Farnham would say.

1248
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,260
Take the pressure- But just take it down a notch.

1249
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:34,800
Yeah.

1250
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,300
But go easier on yourself- Mm

1251
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:37,600
and go easier on your child.

1252
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,880
Because you will al- always only be their parent.

1253
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,560
Mm.

1254
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:41,700
That's right.

1255
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:42,880
First and foremost.

1256
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,120
And that role is not taken by anyone else.

1257
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,500
Mm-mm.

1258
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:50,020
So that is the most sacrosanct role that we have, and- Definitely

1259
00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:51,340
it is not to be their teacher.

1260
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:53,740
It is to be their parent first and foremost.

1261
00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:53,780
Mm-hmm.

1262
00:43:53,780 --> 00:43:54,400
Yes.

1263
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:03,040
And to find ways to create our own comfort, certainty and safety without- Putting that on our kids

1264
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,960
without taking away from their life experiences.

1265
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:04,980
Mm.

1266
00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:06,020
From their experiences.

1267
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:07,120
Absolutely.

1268
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:07,900
Beautiful, Quantifolks.

1269
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:08,460
Yeah.

1270
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:09,520
Thanks for being with us.

1271
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,829
It was a beautiful, um, time to reflect on just what we've done.

1272
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:14,320
Mm.

1273
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,969
We've got more cool- Oh

1274
00:44:16,969 --> 00:44:18,620
um, conversations coming up- Yes

1275
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:19,100
this year.

1276
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:19,880
We're excited.

1277
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,980
We've got a few people on the board that we're excited to have conversations with.

1278
00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:24,500
Yep.

1279
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:26,760
And we're so grateful for our community.

1280
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,580
If you wanna hook in with us, get in touch at quantimama.com, and we will see you very soon.

1281
00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:32,580
We'll see you next time.

1282
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:33,680
Thanks for being with us.

1283
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,300
Bye.

1284
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Hey, Quantifolks.

1285
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:53,620
You know, the conversations that we have about alchemising education are underpinned by our amazing Take the Leap course for parents, which is all about de-schooling the parents.

1286
00:44:53,620 --> 00:45:02,020
If you're keen to deep dive more, then check out the quantummama.com website and find the Take the Leap course.

1287
00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:20,000
This course is beautiful because it will give you an opportunity to examine where your programs are, where you're creating limiting beliefs and expectations for your child, and it ultimately frees you to be the best advocate for your child that you can be.

1288
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:31,740
And that's all of us can ever want for our children, just to love, nurture, and watch them become the most incredible individuals that we already know them to be.

1289
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:34,700
So more info, head to quantimama.com.