In this episode, Juliet chats with Summer Baruth, an industrial and organizational psychologist who is a global leader in human resources. Summer's passion is in making the uncomfortable comfortable and meeting people where they are to help them see things differently. In this episode, Juliet & Summer get into the real real about helping others feel seen, but discussing if they allow themselves to be truly seen?! They also discuss the grief that happens around losing friendships. This is a topic that Juliet is passionate about putting more focus on: the unique attachments that occur in friendships and how to navigate it when they change. 

Other topics Juliet & Summer discuss:

• depression, anxiety, and being a people pleaser
• imposter syndrome
• putting up our own walls and protection 
• psychological safety in the workplace

Juliet on Instagram
Juliet on LinkedIn
YepIGoToTherapy.com
Summer on LinkedIn
Summer on Instagram

Amber is a Licensed Professional Counselor and Certified Clinical Trauma Professional in the state of New Jersey. She is a therapist, an advocate, a feeler, and a flawed human and she's no stranger to anxiety.
 
In this episode, Amber and Juliet talk about their definitions of anxiety, various manifestations of anxiety, and how we know it's time to take a deeper look at our anxiety. They discuss tools for getting curious about one's anxiety and learning how to trust yourself again and tolerate anxious feelings. They also talk about the impact of social media on mental health and the nuances that aren't captured in that space. You'll finish this episode knowing that while anxiety may be a part of your story, it's not all that you are and doesn't have to stand in your way.

Juliet on Instagram: YepIGoToTherapy
Amber on Instagram: amber_vs_anxiety
Amber's The Anxiety Lab

In this episode, Juliet chats with Lindsay Anvik Henricks, co-owner of a make-your-own-charcuterie business: Babe and Butcher in Charlotte, NC.  Lindsay is also a big advocate for therapy and tending to your mental wellness as she's open about her own journey with anxiety and depression. 

CW: fertility, postpartum mental health 

Tune in to this FULL episode as Juliet & Lindsay chat about:

• finding the right therapist
• the intersection of anxiety, depression, and entrepreneurship
• how we can connect patterns in our personal lives that then show up professionally
• what's it like to work with your spouse/partner
• the journey to getting pregnant and the power of connecting with others who understand similar suffering
• the risk and reward of vulnerability
• coping ahead for postpartum mental health
• how Kurt Vonnegut describes depression (Juliet loves this metaphor!)
• our relationship to depression
• taking medication for mood disorders
• not BEING what you DO (including Juliet's favorite quote!)
• and so much more!

Links:
Juliet on Instagram: @YepIGoToTherapy
Juliet's new book: Who You Callin' Crazy?!
Lindsay on Instagram: @BabeAndButcher
Babe and Butcher: https://www.babeandbutcher.com/

In this episode, fellow therapist, Danielle Hughes, discusses what it means to be a faith-based counselor. She describes what it is like to have the permission to wrestle with spirituality in a therapy session, however a client may define spirituality for themselves.

Danielle and Juliet dive into some mental health buzzwords that need our attention: embodiment and radical acceptance. As they tease out what these get to look like for individual clients, the listener gets a feel for what holistic treatment (mind, body, and spirit) can entail. As humans, we so often try to think our way out of a problem or out of discomfort when our bodies, as Danielle says, are reading and responding to emotions. She says that we need to learn to listen to our bodies and perhaps connect to our spirituality, as well.

Danielle in her practice, Cultivate Charlotte, is working to be a greenhouse for growth and an ally in cultivating faith for clients.

Links:
Juliet on Instagram: @YepIGoToTherapy
Juliet's new book: Who You Callin' Crazy?!
Danielle's Website: Cultivate Charlotte

In this episode of "Who You Callin' Crazy?!" Juliet Kuehnle interviews Rennie Dyball, an
author and editor.  Rennie shares about her journey from ghostwriting celebrity memoirs to authoring several books. Her latest is her picture book debut entitled: B Is For Bellies, a celebration of every body. So, of course, much of their conversation centers around body image -- for us adults and how we can help influence that of our children.

Juliet and Rennie also discuss the importance of storytelling and the joy of finding one's niche.  Together they explore some of the impactful topics covered in Rennie’s books, as well as the books that have impacted her; from topics including ADHD to body image.

Timestamps
[00:02:15] Currently co-authoring an ADHD and self-help book.
[00:11:35] Breaking down body image issues.
[00:15:04] The Fuck It Diet – a book that helped Rennie ease out of diet culture.
[00:20:37] Managing uncomfortable emotions.
[00:21:04] Body positivity and its evolution.
[00:25:43] The power of mantras.
[00:28:10] Talking to kids about body image.

Links:
Juliet on Instagram @YepIGoToTherapy
Rennie Dyball
B Is For Bellies

In this episode of Who You Callin' Crazy?!, Juliet Kuehnle interviews Chris Weedon, the founder of Mentally Shredded. Chris shares his journey of overcoming his own mental health challenges and finding peace after retiring from soccer. He discusses the importance of adding value to the world through advocacy and personal development. Chris also opens up about the difficulties of building a business and the rewards it brings. Tune in to hear his inspiring story and vulnerability.

Timestamps
[00:01:20] Sharing his story and advocacy.
[00:06:28] "Chris, you're more than soccer."
[00:09:24] Taking Big Risks on Yourself.
[00:13:14] Reclaiming personal power.
[00:19:11] The power of affirmations.
[00:23:41] Navigating identity and acceptance.
[00:28:20] Allowing yourself to date again.
[00:32:21] Embracing the darkness.

Detailed Synopsis
In this episode, Juliet & Chris discuss how creating a space for people to open up and share personal stories can be a catalyst for personal growth and connection with others. The importance of authenticity and vulnerability, both with oneself and with others, is highlighted. Juliet emphasizes that on the other side of vulnerability lies freedom.

In this episode, Chris shares his personal journey of self-discovery and success, emphasizing the importance of personal development and taking risks. He discusses his fear of not being able to discover purpose or have a goal that aligns with his true calling, but how his determination, willpower, and drive have been key qualities in discovering more about himself.

Links:
Juliet on Instagram @YepIGoToTherapy
Get Juliet's Book!
Mentally Shredded

In this episode of "Who You Callin' Crazy?!" host Juliet Kuehnle interviews Laura Hays, an emergency medicine physician and co-founder of Lasting Impact Wellness Group. Laura shares some of her personal story about her mental health and experiencing panic attacks. The conversation emphasizes the universality of mental health struggles and the importance of seeking help and support. Juliet and Laura explore how to take inventory of how we're truly doing as they provide practical tips for checking in on our own mental health. They provide psychoeducation around anxiety that will help listeners understand what's happening in the body alongside these feelings.

Timestamps
00:04:29 Anxiety can appear unexpectedly
00:09:45 Understanding the physiology of anxiety
00:15:20 Being proactive about self-care
00:22:44 Mind-body connection through yoga
00:23:38 The power of the breath
00:33:25 Prioritizing mental health proactively
00:34:50 The importance of self-compassion for mental health

Summary

In this episode of "Who You Callin’ Crazy," host Juliet Kuehnle interviews therapist Kayla Jones to shed light on the experiences and challenges of being a therapist. They discuss the transition from graduate school to private practice, the stigma around being a therapist, and the weight the job can place on the therapist. Tune in to gain insight into the world of therapy as we humanize the profession.

Timestamps

[00:01:45] Starting out in private practice.

[00:06:37] Therapist's pedestal and humanization.

[00:10:07] Being seen and heard.

[00:14:01] The magic of connection.

[00:17:07] Resentment in client relationships.

[00:21:49] Learning the latest slang.

[00:25:03] The heaviness of the job.

[00:31:34] Incorporating music into therapy.

[00:33:38] The magic of therapy.

Detailed Synopsis

In this episode, Kayla shares her personal experience with burnout. After taking a break and working for a while, she made the decision to pursue graduate school with the goal of becoming a therapist. This decision was influenced by herpassion for psychology and her desire to assist others with their mental health, though she admits being and becoming a therapist has positively impacted her own mental health, more than she ever expected. 

During the episode, the significance of finding the right therapist who can provide validation and empower individuals to explore their mental health is emphasized. They discuss the “art of being a therapist.” Juliet and Kayla acknowledge that at times the process of therapy can be challenging for both client and therapist. They acknowledge that by sharing that reality and humanizing the therapist and their experience in the process, they can help the client trust the process as well. 

Kayla & Juliet identify some of the beneficial differences for a client between talking to a good friend and speaking with a therapist. Additionally, the therapists touch on the emotional weight of their job and how it can impact them. They acknowledge the weight of their responsibility in helping clients navigate their emotions, behaviors, and actions and emphasize the importance of therapists seeking their own therapy. 

Welcome back to Who You Callin' Crazy?! We're finally back! I've missed y'all.

In this short episode, I give info on where I've been for the past year. Hint: I wrote a book!

I'm so excited for this season with lots of new guests.  Let's keep ending the stigma, together. Please reach out if you'd like to be a guest or have a suggestion. This season's conversations will also include REAL talk with other therapists and helpers to continue making this information super accessible and relatable.

Follow me on Instagram: @YepIGoToTherapy
More info on the book here: https://whoyoucallincrazy.com/

TW/CW: abuse, addiction

The culture of the food and beverage industry has long been infamous for being an environment that perpetuates mental health struggles and substance use. But to Steve Palmer, this is also the same industry that saved him from his addictions.

Palmer is the founder of The Indigo Road Hospitality Group, a hospitality and consulting company that owns and operates more than 20 restaurants and 4 hotels across the southeastern US. He is also the co-founder of Ben's friends, a national nonprofit that acts as a bridge to sobriety for those in the hospitality industry struggling with substance abuse and addiction. Steve's personal journey to sobriety is what makes his work so special as it is all personally stamped by his passion ("obsession with hospitality") and his purpose ("service to others.")

Tune in as we chat about:

• Steve's journey to sobriety from the dark depths of addiction, homelessness, and damaged relationships,
• Gratitude as an embodied feeling (his tears will move you all to understand this buzzword!),
• Imposter syndrome and why the hardest thing for an addict is when their dreams come true,
• Attachment styles as his past wounds play out in his marriage,
• The presence of emotions in his life and why he feels if he stops being anxious, he stops growing,
• The pivotal role therapy played in his recovery and why he still has "Therapy Mondays,"
• His thoughts on the sober curious movement

… and so much more! 

Connect with Steve Palmer:

Personal Website: www.aboutstevepalmer.com 

Company's Website:www.Indigoroad.com 

Steve's Book: Say Grace: How the Restaurant Business Saved My Life

Links

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness 

From a young age, Kenzie Harkey could pick up on the chaos that a dysfunctional space caused in her physical and mental state. Fast forward to 2017, after spending the previous decade in the health + wellness field, Kenzie knew she was ready for something different but with the same intention: to make a positive impact. And that's how Simply Dare was born!

Simply Dare is a home organization and relocation company that helps you create a simple + functional home so you can do more of what you love.  Kenzie and I talk about the psychology behind organization and  how our physical spaces can impact mood. She opens up about her journey with ADHD and in family therapy as we explore the both/and of having compassion and hurt from families of origin.

In this episode, Kenzie and I chat about:

• How she creates a safe environment for her clients.
• Some of the mental health challenges she has overcome.
• The beauty of solid, secure therapeutic relationships.
• Why therapists don't give advice or answers.
• A practical mindfulness skill you can use in your every day.

... and so much more!

Simply Dare Website
Simply Dare Instagram

Links:

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness 

CW/TW: child abuse, sexual abuse

In this episode, I speak to Sam Hart, chef and owner of Counter- as well as a new restaurant opening this Fall, called Biblio. Sam's culinary journey and innovative restaurant concepts are informed by his mental health journey and, while aligned with his principles, run things counter to what you might expect.

Counter- is a fine dining, story-driven, progressive tasting menu in West Charlotte, where on a seasonal basis, they change not only the food that's on the plates, but also the story that is the driving force behind it. And Biblio, opening up later this year, honors of all the winemakers, vineyards, and distributors that tell their stories through wine lists. 

In this rich episode, Sam and I chat about:

• Sam's mental health journey and trauma responses,
• Why telling stories through food is so important to him,
• What it was like to have a diagnosis and an understanding of the mental health issues he was going through,
• The stigma around sexuality,
• What it means to "succeed" with mental illness versus "struggling" with it,
• How Sam tends to and maintains his mental health as a form of self-care.

... and so much more!

Connect with Sam on Instagram: @chefloosely @counterclt

Check out Counter-: https://www.counterclt.com/

The Relatives
Time Out Youth

CW/TW: suicide, substance use

In today's episode, I speak to Chryssie Whitehead, an actress, singer, educator, passionate mentor, and dancer on Broadway, film, and television. Chryssie talks about her recent coming to terms with her diagnosis of Bipolar II Disorder and the process of deciding to write a show about it! About her show,  In My Own Little Corner,  Chryssie says: "I wrote a show about my journey with bipolar disorder. I wrote a show about my mother's death & her journey with mental illness. I wrote a show about deep love, forgiveness, and letting go of shame."

 In this episode, Chryssie and I talk about:

• Chryssie's journey with her own mental health and what happened when finally given a diagnosis that made sense to her
• Her mom's mental health journey and the secrets kept
• How to learn to fight for a solution 
• Discussion around labels and diagnoses
• Tools for finding clarity in one's life with any mental illness 

… and so much more! 

Connect with Chryssie:

Website: www.chryssiewhitehead.com 

Facebook: Chryssie Whitehead

Ellen Forney's Graphic novel: Marbles 

Links

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness

In this episode, I speak to Tiffany Donovan Marino, the owner of Confetti Castle and the queen of many ideas. Her company, based in Charlotte, NC, specializes in creating fun and unique balloon designs for parties and events. Tiffany is a make-it-happen kind of person and opens up to us about having to be this way while growing up and learning she could only count on herself. Her emphasis on trusting oneself, not getting caught up in criticism, and having the courage & freedom to accept when you're struggling and ask for help are key takeaways.  

Tune in as we chat about:

• Tiffany's difficult relationship with her mother 
• How she protected herself while growing up in a chaotic family  environment
• How to acknowledge your struggles and boldly ask for help
• The impact of people not believing you're good enough on self-esteem
• Her understanding of therapy and the place it holds in her journey 

… and so much more! 

Connect with Tiffany:

Company's Website: www.theconfetticastle.com 

Instagram: @confetticastle

Personal Instagram account: @confetticastlequeen

Links

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

We don't talk enough about invisible illnesses and disabilities...those that you can't see simply by looking at a person. This is truly the point of my podcast -- to highlight people's stories and struggles rather than making judgments and assuming we know everything about someone. 

In this episode, I speak to my friend Brendan Sage, father of two, who opens up about his journey with epilepsy. Brendan, who's now seizure-free, shares a lot about his mental health during this years long experience. It will surely stir you  to embrace gratitude and find acceptance. 

Tune in as we chat about:

• Brendan's medical journey 
• How Brendan  was finally able to be seizure-free
• How seizures interfered with his cognition and how therapy came in handy 
• How Brendan continues to navigate life, and the mindset shift he embraced during his medical journey 
• Finding gratitude and acceptance while living with an invisible disability 

…and so much more!

Connect with Brendan:

LinkedIn: Brendan Sage

Links

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness 

Mary Beth Somich is a  licensed therapist in private practice. She owns a group practice in North Carolina called Your Journey Through, where she primarily works with teens and young adults around issues of family dynamics. Mary Beth also mentors other therapists looking to grow their mental health platforms on Instagram as a modern way to become more accessible and reach more people. She is also the co-host of the “My Therapist Thinks” podcast. 

Tune in as we chat about:

• How Mary Beth ended up in her profession as a therapist 
• How her position as an only child informs her understanding of family systems
• Her transition from being a ‘yes person’ and amidst enmeshment to setting boundaries 
• How the two of us, as enneagram 3s, deal with ego and rest 
• Mary Beth’s favorite therapy myth to bust

…and so much more! 

Connect with Mary Beth:

Website: http://yourjourneythrough.com   

Instagram: @yourjourneythrough

LinkedIn: Mary Beth Somich

Links

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness 

CW/TW: abuse, kidnapping, suicidal ideation, substance use, postpartum mood disorders

Good moms have bad days, too! These bad days can be exacerbated by childhood and adulthood traumas.

In this episode, I speak to Eren Simpson, friend of mine since 2nd grade (!), a freelance writer, author, grant writer, and artist/illustrator. Eren is a mom of two. Having fought through postpartum mood disorders and not finding the resources she wanted and needed, Eren is on a mission to raise awareness around postpartum anxiety, postpartum depression, and postpartum psychosis.

We dive deep into family of origin wounds!

Tune in as we chat about:
-Eren's fractured relationship with her parents from childhood and how it shook her sense of trust and safety
-Finding balance of compassion + anger + hurt, as an adult
-Manic depression brought on by postpartum hormones
-How her childhood experiences shaped her as a parent
-The role her therapist and psychiatrist play in her mental health journey (and when it's okay to break up with one and find a new one!)
... and so much more!

Connect with Eren:
Instagram: @goodmomshavebaddays
Website: https://www.goodmomshavebaddays.com/
Her  Book: Good moms Have Bad Days: Understanding Postpartum Mood Disorder

Links
Instagram: @yepigototherapy
Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness

Our worth has nothing to do with our body weight, size, or shape. And yet, we humans are constantly renegotiating our relationships with food, exercise, and our bodies as many of us fall into the trap of shaming, blaming, or hating our bodies. This episode explores what we mean by our "relationship" with these things!

Ashley Moser joins me in this rich discussion. She is a licensed marriage and family therapist and a certified eating disorder specialist. She works with the Renfrew Center of Charlotte, an eating disorder treatment center - the sponsors of this episode!

Tune in to hear us chat about:

• How Ashley and I ended up working with clinical eating disorders
• What it means to re-evaluate your relationship with food, body, and exercise
• Hyper-awareness around all the commentary about food and bodies
• The pressure we face as mothers in the clinical eating disorder field
• Predispositions and the genetic component of eating disorders
• How different individuals define eating disorder recovery (and is recovery possible!)
• The value of therapeutic relationships in recovery from an  eating disorder 
• Body positivity, acceptance, and compassion
• Making choices that are more nurturing to ourselves

…and so much more!

Links

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness 

To learn more about the Renfrew center for eating disorders or to schedule an assessment visit: https://renfrewcenter.com/ or call 1- 800 RENFREW.

It happens in a lot of therapy sessions: You're talking about your thoughts and feelings while the therapist listening to you scribbles down their own, private notes that you're not invited to see. Do you ever wonder what it is we're writing down?!

In this episode, I answer questions you all have submitted, including what we're writing, how we remember details about all of our client's stories, & what we do between sessions.  I also talk a bit about what it means for us to conceptualize a client's case and what stages of change are. I hope this makes the process a little less mysterious and more approachable! 

Keep the questions coming!

Links:

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness 

CW: suicide, physical abuse, emotional abuse 

Jenna Banks is an author, an entrepreneur,  a speaker, a podcaster, and a self-love advocate. She is on a mission to help women embrace loving themselves more to find real happiness and attain their fullest potential without giving away their power  

In a nutshell, we chat about:

• Jenna's history of abuse 
• What self-love means 
• What makes it hard for people to love themselves
• How to start on the path of self-love after many attachment wounds
• How Jenna’s faith journey turned out and the role of forgiveness in her story
• How to get to the place you can feel that's it is safe to embrace your true feelings
• Jenna's community, being her self-support system during those dark times, and how her relationships are currently going
• Stepping into your power

      And so much more…!

Jenna’s Book: I Love Me More: How to Find Happiness and Success through Self-Love

Connect with Juliet:

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness 

In today's episode, I talk with Colleen Odegaard for a follow-up episode.  Colleen was on TV for years and is currently a life coach and the host of the Wake Up To Your Life podcast. As you know from our first conversation, Colleen is very open about anxiety, Tourettes syndrome, and body image concerns. Colleen approaches our conversation in this follow-up episode in a very vulnerable and honest way to discuss her divorce from her husband  of 21 years and giving insight around her mental health during this journey.

We talk about the non-linear healing that is happening, distress tolerance skills, and the thing that brings Colleen the most shame. In this, we explore how to reframe this shame and shed that which doesn't belong to us.  We hope you leave with helpful ideas about the difference between guilt and shame, new coping strategies,  and the role others can play in our healing.

Links

Check out Colleen's podcast: Wake Up To Your Life

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness 

CW/TW: mass shooting

In this episode, I talk to Sam Abbott, a registered dietitian who specializes in working with clients who struggle with Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS). Sam is passionate about helping individuals take a non-diet approach to nutrition and improving their symptoms without hating their bodies. 

Sam shares about her own mental health journey and traumas she has endured, including losing her father at a young age, divorce, and witnessing the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech.

In a nutshell, we chat about...

• Sam’s clinical and personal perspective of PCOS.
• The body image struggles that even eating disorder professionals can  go through.
• Taking a weight-inclusive approach to nutrition and health.
• How Sam addressed the trauma she has suffered.
• When to know that it's time to check back in with someone -- therapy as an adult.
• Her take on ‘What I Eat in a Day' posts on Instagram 
• What encourages Sam to do what she is doing for her clients

and so much more…!

Links

Find Sam Abbott on Instagram, PCOS.Nutritionist 

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness

In this episode, I speak to Chayil Johnson, a Chef de Cuisine and an educator at Community Matters Cafe in uptown Charlotte, NC.  Born and raised in New Orleans, Chayil, one of 6 siblings, was great at baseball and music. But, as an over-thinker and perfectionist, he frequently suffered from anxiety.  He began cooking at age 12, thanks to a program by Emeril Lagasse, and finally found solace.

In a nutshell, we chat about…

• The biggest cultural difference between New Orleans and Charlotte and how the food culture inspired Chayil’s passion for cooking.
• How Chayil was his own harshest critic.
• The structure of discipline that Chayil practices and the impact of perfectionism/rigidity.
• Chayil's relationship with his body.
• What the Community Matters Cafe is, the services they offer, and what the cafe means to him.

         … and so much more…!

Links

Check out Chef Chayil on Instagram

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness
Community Matters Cafe

Embodied writing seeks to reveal raw and tender connections from the most powerful places where writing comes from. It is a form of beautiful, heartfelt, and open-ended writing.

In this episode, I speak to Shana Hartman, an embodied writing coach and former English professor.  She enjoys spotting unique messages shared by business owners and leaders and helping them express themselves through words. Shana is glad to have found writing as a place to express - and space to process - the things she could not say out loud.

In a nutshell, we speak about…

• How Shana found an escape in embodied writing during her own mental health journey.
• How journaling and embodied writing supports mental wellness: breathing in to breathe out later.
• Specific writers/ books that have resonated with Shana at different points of her  journey. 
• Why it is hard to find permission to release our experiences.
• Books as escapism from a mental health perspective.
• Recurring limiting beliefs from authors she has worked with.
• How to find the permission to stop reading a book if it isn't working for you.

         ...and so much more!

Instagram:  @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness

CW: domestic violence, sexual abuse, physical abuse,  emotional abuse, spiritual abuse, suicidality, postpartum depression

Mariah Oller is a Cell Biologist turned Oracle that commonly answers questions regarding people’s life, love, and business ventures. She is the founder of Harvest and Moon and recently published her first Tarot Deck, The Tarot of Life. 

Mariah joins me in deep vulnerability by soulfully sharing her story. We dive into her history of trauma and attachment wounds and there is so much to be learned about anger & forgiveness, birth order and parentification, religious deconstruction, perfectionism, avoidance, resiliency, and healing in this episode.

In this episode, we talk about:

• What Tarot reading is (spicy psychology?!) 
• How Mariah got into Tarot reading.
• Mariah’s trauma & crippling anxiety and how she dealt with it.
• How Mariah parents her girls very intentionally based on how she was (not) parented.
• How Mariah found safety and continues to give herself permission to rest for the first time in her life. 
• Some deep, deep truths and tenderness about motherhood. 

… and so much more!

Instagram: @yepigototherapy

Website: Sun Counseling and Wellness

Domestic Violence Hotline: 800.799.SAFE (7233)