In this episode I catchup with the author of the "DevSecOps: A leader’s guide to producing secure software without compromising flow, feedback and continuous improvement" book., Glenn Wilson. Glenn is an active participant in the DevOps and DevSecOps communities. He is also an emerging student of Dr. Deming. We talk about Glenn's Deming journey as well as how DevSecOps and Dr. Deming's work align well. Look for Glenn's book on Amazon.