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The Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast
The Quacking Truth: Freedom, Faith, and Farce
Bruce and Sunny explore the recent failed rapture predictions and what they reveal about biblical teachings on endurance versus escape, then examine the eroding distinction between freedom of speech and free speech in America.
• Biblical analysis of recent rapture predictions and why date-setting contradicts scripture
• Discussion of how Christians are called to endure trials with divine protection rather than escape them
• Important distinction between constitutional "freedom of speech" and the increasingly limited concept of "free speech"
• Conversation with Eclipse AI about presidents throughout history who have challenged speech rights
• Reading and analysis of the 14th Amendment's due process clause and its protection of all persons
• Warning about how both political sides work together to chip away at fundamental rights
• Announcement of special Halloween-themed podcast artwork available for listeners
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Well, hello everyone. It is time for the Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast. And I am Bruce.
Speaker 00:And I am Sunny. And we welcome you to this episode of the Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast.
Speaker 02:Okay, let's don't be too dramatic, please. We do have an audience.
Speaker 00:You're no fun.
Speaker 02:Okay, well, um, anyhow, yes, this is the Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast. This is episode 124. It is Friday 926. Wow. This month is almost gone, folks. Almost totally gone.
Speaker 00:Hey, Bruce, you forgot to say one thing.
Speaker 02:Oh yeah. You are listening to the worst podcast in the known universe, and maybe even the unknown universe. Maybe I'll just switch it to the worst podcast in the unknown universe. There you go. Nobody could challenge that because it's an unknown universe.
Speaker 00:Good grief. You know how to rain everything.
Speaker 02:Okay. Well, we are definitely here. And we are uh recording today. It's a beautiful day outside. It's sunny. Um, it was uh like 69 here in the house. I had the windows open this morning. It's beautiful.
Speaker 00:Oh yeah, very beautiful. And you know what, Bruce? We're still here.
Speaker 02:Uh-huh. That's how we're recording, because we're here.
Speaker 00:No, we're still here. You know what I mean?
Speaker 02:Oh, yeah, yeah. You're referring to that uh rapture deal, right?
Speaker 00:Oh yeah. Uh that's it. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 02:Okay, don't get so excited because we got a news article to talk about. But uh yeah. Uh many people believe the rapture was gonna happen on the twenty-third or twenty-fourth. Uh during the um feast. Uh it's a a holiday during Jewish celebrations. And apparently uh they was gonna they did, not was going to, but they did blow the trumpets, and it's specifically called a s a name that I can't recollect right now. But there was uh several people out in society that were claiming that was going to be the time that uh the uh Christ came back, received up his church and all those that were um what worthy to return with him. And yeah.
Speaker 00:Yeah, worthy. We are all worthy. I am worthy, I am worthy.
Speaker 02:Wow, you are a hyper today. What happened?
Speaker 00:Nothing. I'm just excited. It's been too long since we did a recording. You know how I am. I like recording all this episodes and all this baloney. I like making fun of you too.
Speaker 02:Okay, well, you got uh all that, yeah. I believe that. I really do, but okay, yeah, so we're still here, and that uh bids uh a little bit of more uh looking into. Um, and I'm not gonna go into the faith or any of that or who started that mess. I should, but I'm not going to. However, um there's probably not going to be a lot uh said through those date setters, and I do believe there's a little bit of hidden truth in the Bible that says, you know, no man shall know the time or the day or the time or the hour, no, the day or the hour. Um, and it does uh reflect back to the marriage, Jewish marriage, and how they did that at the time, which gives a hint to again, the father was the only one that knew when that time was coming, and he would announce it to the son, okay, go get your bride, and that's what's going to happen. It also uh kind of symbolizes a time in uh the Jewish tradition when they do the feast of the trumpets, and they have to have they used to anyway, now we got computers, but they used to have to send a couple observers out to observe the new moon when it was coming in. I think this is right. And when that was arriving, that's when they blew the feast of the or the trumpets. And uh so it kind of, you know, may align with that celebration, that time period that we don't know what year, and so it's kind of uh ironic that these people, this one gentleman said he had a vision from the Lord telling him that date. And all this does, now I think we should be prepared, and we should be preparing other people to be prepared. That's what we're called to do. Hello. It says that in the Bible, you know, share the word, share the love, and oh how soon we forget. But I think doing that actually has a very negative effect. For one, it makes people believe that they're gonna get out of any more problems. So, you know, there was even people that were selling their goods, about like the year 2000, selling their possessions, preparing to go bye-bye. So they're out selling all their possessions and getting prepared for this uh leave to be taken up to heaven to meet with the Lord. And you know, people get excited, and then when it doesn't happen, they're very disappointed, they don't know what to do next, and there will be a lot of falling away from the faith if people have adapted into or adopted into this belief and it didn't happen. They're gonna be crushed, uh hurt, not sure where to turn now. And this happens so many times. I remember in history there's always some date setter that was getting people all uh upset, and there's been a few that's actually talked people into committing suicide to meet whatever plan they had. And uh it's it's sad. And I want to remind everybody while we're on this subject.
Speaker 00:Oh no, not a reminder.
Speaker 02:Yeah, I'm gonna knock on the door. Wait a minute. Here's your reminder. Ha ha okay. Um anyway, I want to remind everybody of a few stories in the Bible where it talks um about let's talk about uh the three wise men. Is that what no three children? Uh their name that was given to them was Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendigo, and that was uh not their Hebrew names. That was a name that was given to them by the leader, the king at that time. But uh they were actually thrown in the fire. And you know, the Bible specifically tells a story how they were thrown in the fire, and then um the men looked in, there was another man in there with them. And there's a lot of points and story to this story, I guess I could say. But the main topic I want to deal with right now is the fact that they were in the fire. Get this through your head, folks. A lot of people are on the belief system that you're gonna get out of whatever's coming, you're gonna escape, and everybody else is gonna suffer. We're not taught that in the Bible. We're taught that we're gonna have to endure to the end. Now that end may come at the end of our life, that end may come when they blow us up with a bomb or when we starve. But whatever our end is, individual end, we have to endure until that. We are told that we will have mercy through the Father, and he will protect us, just like he protected Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego through the fire, but they still had to go through the fire. And it may not be real pleasant for us, but we will endure.
Speaker 00:All right, you are bringing me down. I don't want to hear this.
Speaker 02:Well, don't don't get too down because uh if you're looking at it through a physical view, you're gonna get down because you're gonna see things and see the suffering. But if you're looking at it through a spiritual light, through uh the words that the Father and the Son taught us, then you would understand that there is hope in all that. And even in our enduring, maybe there'll be hope for others to see the light and have their life changed. Now we can't change, we can't be sin free, we can't do anything on our own. But I'm I'm not gonna go into all that. I just want to go back to the thought I was having about uh we're still here. There's other stories like Daniel in the lion's den, and Daniel was thrown in the lion's den. Get that picture. He was thrown in the lion's den uh uh with hungry lions, but the Bible says an angel of the Lord shut the lion's mouth so they could not eat Daniel. So he suffered through that time in that cave or in that hole in the ground or however you want to describe it, until the king seen the next day he was alive, and he had the people that brought judgment against Daniel thrown in there instead. And guess what? The lions ate him. And that's that picture there is exactly what the New Testament teaches us when the Jesus says that there was a farmer that planted some ground, and then the next day they got up and they discovered that somebody had snuck in there and planted some weeds amongst their wheat. So you had tares, that's weeds, and wheat growing at the same time. So the workers went to the farmer and said, Hey, do you want us to pull those up? Because somebody planted some weeds. And they he says, No, it would also tear up the wheat. We're gonna let them grow, and then when it comes harvest time, and I'm paraphrasing instead of reading the scripture, we're gonna go in there and pull up the weeds, bundle them up and throw them in the fire, and then we're gonna gather the wheat. So get that picture. We are gonna endure until the time that the judgment comes, and the father is gonna send his son and his angels, they're gonna gather up the tares, the lost, the evil. The uh Enoch calls them the kings, mostly the kings uh of the world. Or they're gonna gather them up, and they're gonna separate them from those that have accepted Christ. So that's another picture of we're gonna endure. We're still here because we're gonna endure. I mean and it would not be righteous if all those people suffered in the past and dealt with it, and then all of a sudden, in one moment in time, he come back and saves his church. When he had his own people he could have saved from this world. There's bigger picture than you know us getting away from everything. He does say that he will protect us during those times. So we need to keep in mind that there is protection amongst all this evil. And go back to Noah. Noah's a good example. See, Noah was taken away from that destruction, but he wasn't taken out of it. He was put in a boat and protected during the flood. But he was still in the flood. He was still in the disaster of this world, but he was protected. That's what you need to see. Our protection is gonna not physical protection, we're not gonna get enough batteries, we're not gonna have enough food, enough water saved up. I mean, it's it's a good plan to save stuff up, to be prepared. We are called to be prepared, to have oil in our light, so we will burn on. And that that's metaphoric, and it's talking about, you know, the spirit, but it's also talking about being prepared. It is right for us to be prepared, but we cannot physically get enough stuff to prepare us, and then it it could happen that they would come and take a lot of our stuff, or maybe all of it. Our preparation needs to be in the spirit, in God, in the Father, and in the Son of Man, who is called Jesus Christ in most places. I call him Yahushua however you call him, call him Savior, the one that died for you to be able to face Father the Father and not and not be thrown away. Okay.
Speaker 00:Alright, so forgive me, folks, for bringing that up. Wow.
Speaker 02:All right. Well, something needs to be said because there's gonna be a lot of people, or there probably is already a lot of people, because they haven't left, that are either going to do something silly to make it happen, or they're very disheartened now and they don't know what to do. You know, we are called up until our life leaves this physical body to share, to love. So anything that is not doing that, like if we're out there selling our possessions to leave and we're just shutting down and quitting, that's not what we're called to do, folks. I'm sorry. Uh I'd like to, you know, have a happy ending ever, ending after, and depart from this mess, but it doesn't work that way. Uh, when we depart, we're gonna leave this body, and we are gonna not be able to help anybody from that point on. So we need to be doing that now. And I'm sorry I took the uh first few minutes of the episode to go on this soapbox, but that's a very devastating thing that those people did. And there was a lot of them on TikTok. I had a bunch that I was following, and all of a sudden were saying, Oh, it's gonna happen. I've read the scriptures and it lines up and we need to be ready. And they say things like, Well, it may not happen, but I really think it's going to. So, you know, I no, whether it happens or not, we should not be concentrated on that moment. We should be concentrated on the moments prior to that, and sharing the truth, sharing the way. That's what we need to be doing. So, there you go. I've said my piece, we'll go on.
Speaker 00:All right, I think uh oh, I don't know. However, Bruce, I see that you're hooked up a little bit different for this episode. What's going on? Share your um technology with us.
Speaker 02:Well, it's not really any kind of technology. Well, I guess it is, but it's nothing different. I've just uh went back to um my Audacity uh recording. I was using the mixed cast uh to record the episodes, and I still am, but I um went back to recording directly on Audacity. I wanted to see if it sounds a little bit different. I mean that's what I used for years. I was actually putting it into my laptop and I used a a mixer board, and then I got this mixed cast mixer, and uh then my laptop died. Um and instead of trying to fix it, it's an XP laptop and it wouldn't run the new Audacity and it there's a bunch of updates it couldn't take. So I just elected not to fix it. So I you know that made me update Audacity and put it on my desktop, which is alright, but it made a little bit different on using it. And I'm just now feeling comfortable enough to record with it and see how it sounds. If it sounds all right, um I'll just use it as is, and that's what I used to do. However, um once I got used to the mix caster, it had a lower volume when I put it into Audacity, so I had to enhance it and uh do a bunch of other post editing. But it came out pretty good, but you could tell there was a little bit more uh compression on everything once I did that. So I'm hoping to get rid of all that and just have a good o audio recording like I used to do. So that's the only different thing that we're doing, Sunny. Uh I'm still well, I'm on a little bit different mic, but you know how that is. I change him routinely and you're still on the same mic. There you go. What do you think? Is that what you was talking about?
Speaker 00:Oh yeah, that's what I was talking about. I just want to see if you would say anything like, Hey, I'm doing something different.
Speaker 02:Well, hey, I'm doing something different. Does that work?
Speaker 00:Yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 02:You're silly, man. I think you're kinda like me.
Speaker 00:You think? Uh duh.
Speaker 02:Okay, don't give it all away.
Speaker 00:Okay.
Speaker 02:So, like I said, it was a beautiful day, or it is hello, it is a beautiful day. So if you're listening to this, which you will be in a few days or a week, uh, I hope the weather still holds out. Because it's nice today. I got the windows open and the breeze are blowing. It is really, really nice. Well, all right. And now that we're talking about the weather, let's do our weather report and you know, kind of compare our weather with some other people. We are in southern Illinois. Our studio is in uh the outskirts of Mount Vernon, Illinois, Midwest, U.S. That's where we're at. And uh, before you dox me, I've been very specific on not giving the correct details. So there you go. You can just believe whatever you want to. But hey, guess what? It is a nice day today, and our temperature actually shows it. Right now, they show it 76 degrees, 80 degree high. Yeah, that's gonna be nice. I like it. Well, it looks like it's gonna be a nice day all day. Uh right now we have a wind about four miles an hour northwest. And we got a little bit of cloud cover, not much. The UV index is only six of eleven, which is looking better. Uh, we have no rain amount coming today. Uh it's rained for what the last two or three days off and on. Not a whole lot of rain in some areas, but a nice drizzle, which is what we needed. Hope it helps the farmers. Uh I still have brown grass. It's not getting green uh like it should, but the ground is dark where it had rain and soaked in, which is an awesome thing because it was getting dry and hard. But that's it's all a good thing. Humidity right now is 44%, and they have uh I don't know what they did with my hang on, let me see if I can find it. Well, I don't know what they did with it, but uh my air quality meter is gone and I can't find it. So I can't give you an air quality reading, which is kind of a bummer. I like doing that, but uh we're in the waxing crescent moon stage. If anybody watches the moon, that's pretty interesting. Sunrise was at 6.47 a.m. and sunset is at 6.45 p.m. Did you get that? Let me repeat that. It is at 6.45 p.m. Remember when it was like at 8.45? It seems like it was just yesterday, and now we're at 6.45 already. Time will be changing here, what? In October, I think. I'll have to look that up. Don't remember. But yeah, bummer, bummer. So there you go. That is the details for our local weather. And if we go to Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 00:I like Phoenix, Arizona, because it's hot. Even when we're hot, it's hotter.
Speaker 02:Yeah, it's a good comparison. I like that, Sunny. When it's hot here, it's even hotter there. But today it's only 88 degrees, and they got a chance of thunderstorm. So if you're anywhere near Phoenix, Arizona, email me and tell me what's like today. And they have uh 52% humidity right now, where we had I don't know, I don't have a side-by-side comparison any longer. They've really changed the page. Don't like it. But the UV index is zero of eleven. Huh. Pretty cool. Don't know what to think about that. But if you like any kind of comparison, send me your zip code and I will look it up and we will compare. And speaking of uh sending in the zip code, I did have one person send in a zip code that they wanted a comparison, and it's they're from Spokane, Washington. Us here for Spokane, Washington. Wait a minute.
Speaker 00:Oh, you're so silly. I think we ought to just take a bow. There you go. How do you like that, Bird?
Speaker 02:Okay, we are on recording audio only, no video, so nobody got that. But um, if you're wondering, yes, yes, he did. He took a bow for that applause, even though it wasn't for him.
Speaker 00:Hey, what can I say? I like to bow for my applause.
Speaker 02:Okay. So Spokane, Washington. Right now it is 9 26 uh 11 26 a.m. They are at 72 degrees, and it is sunny. They have humidity of 27 degrees, and it is a UV index of 4 out of 11. So they're two points lower than we are. Well, you think about that. They've got a few clouds right now. The nighttime is supposed to be uh 47 degrees. Ooh, they're gonna be cool tonight. They better enjoy that uh until it starts freezing. But people of Spokane, hi! I'm giving you a shout out. I hope you guys are listening up there. I hope you catch this episode. It'll probably be out by this weekend, hopefully. According to how much uh editing I have to do, you know, because uh when I put this recording up and I go, oh, that sounds terrible, which I am my biggest uh uh what, critic? Yeah, very much so. And while we are talking about the weather, apparently there's a couple of big storms brewing out in the ocean. One of them is called Humberto, H-U-M-B-E-R-T-O. And they're saying it is strengthening and it is considered a hurricane, not just a tropical storm. And uh then they have another one, it's Emilda's E-I-M-E-L-D-A. And they're saying it could uh threaten the East Coast, it's building up, so they need to keep an eye on that one. So there's two storms heading towards the east coast. Look out, it's that time of year.
Speaker 00:Hey, I want to say something, Bruce.
Speaker 02:Uh should I be worried?
Speaker 00:No, I just want to say something.
Speaker 02:Well, say something, get it over with.
Speaker 00:Hey now, be nice. Hey, you know I was talking to some of the other people around, and you know what they told me.
Speaker 02:That's a loaded question. No, what did they tell you?
Speaker 00:Oh, they were telling me about their moms. You know what they said? It's sad when you sit around waiting for mom to make dinner and then you realize you are the mom. That wasn't supposed to be funny, bruise. Really? I thought it was a joke. Yeah. I just put on your leg.
Speaker 02:Oh, that's what that little tug was.
Speaker 00:Hey.
Speaker 02:Oh. Yeah, you had me going there for a minute. I thought you was being serious, not a real joke.
Speaker 00:No, you didn't.
Speaker 02:Yeah, I know. I just want to make it feel better.
Speaker 00:Well, thanks.
Speaker 02:No problem.
Speaker 00:Hey, Bruce. I noticed uh when you was doing that little rant or talk or whatever you call those, that you felt like you could just say anything you want. You was free to talk, you know, like free speech.
Speaker 02:Oh now you brought up another another yeah. Maybe I am.
Speaker 00:Maybe you aren't.
Speaker 02:Well, maybe I am, if you're talking about just saying what you would like to say as long as it don't harm anybody, or there's a bunch of quote stipulations on your free speech.
Speaker 00:Yeah. Go ahead. You're wanting to.
Speaker 02:Okay. We'll talk a little bit about it. Uh free speech. It's a funny thing that popped up here again. It's things been coming about uh quite often, and here again it popped up, and people are talking about it, and uh there was actually a celebrity that was not canned, but uh taken off the air for a little bit. Now he was put back on this last Tuesday night. His name is Kimmel. Jimmy Kimmel. He um was uh not done away with, but he his show was suspended. He is a late night host and has been for quite a long time. And apparently that uh he made some comments on his show, and I'm not gonna replay those or even talk about those. Some of those uh comments that he made dealt with uh the Charlie Kirk killing and some of the conservatives surrounding him, and then it was just kind of an emotional thing. But they suspended him, I think it was AVC and Disney, suspended him, and for almost a week that went on, and then he came back on Tuesday night, which happened to be the 23rd of September. There's that date again. But he came back to the show and he's back on again, apparently, and I don't know how the show went. I didn't watch it, but anyway, there's a lot of people yelling, free speech, he should be able to say what he wants, and I kind of agree to one extent, and that's probably what we'll talk about a little bit here. Um, and there is a difference between free speech and freedom of speech. Uh, if I want to say something and I'm out in a public place, I should be able to do it as long as I'm not causing anybody any harm um or um citing or creating a riot or anything like that. There's a lot of ifs if I'm not doing this and if I'm not doing that. But the one thing you gotta remember where it comes to Jimmy Kimmel's whole deal is that he was working for another company. And this company was not just uh a cable company, but it is also uh serving a multitude of licensed broadcast stations. You know, the old TV stations that people used to watch all the time, now they got cable and streaming. Well, the cable and streaming companies don't have a FCC license to worry about, but the licensed broadcast stations, they do. They have to watch what they say, um, how they say it, or they could lose their license. And yes, that is in the law. It's been read out loud a lot here lately. So not only did he um kind of misrepresent the freedom of speech thing, uh, but he put the license broadcasters, their licensing at risk when he did that. And they all was upset. In fact, a few of them when he came back on the air, they said they will refuse to broadcast that show. Instead, they'll put some kind of reruns on, which will probably make them more money, because apparently he had been losing uh ratings for quite a while. But what I'm trying to point out is when you're in another company's, I mean, it's like me when I go to work, I'm not supposed to talk about certain things, and they have the right to say, no, you can't, because you're in my or their, you know, hire at that moment. They're being paid by me, and they're working in or I'm working in their building. So basically I'm kind of a prisoner, you know, I'm an employee. We can talk about that sometime, but uh they have the right to say, no, you can't do this and you can't do that. Now, if I disagree with that, I have the right to walk out and never go back. That is my right. But I want you to understand freedom of speech is a little bit different when you're on somebody else's property or in their business, or even on their platform on social media. You think you have the right to say anything you want, but if you're on somebody else's paid for platform, then they may control what you get to say. I know you don't like that because you know you believe the internet's free, but it is owned by companies, and they have the full right to say you can't do this or you can't do that. Many of them so far has not done most of that, but it's probably coming. So whether it's really free or not, that's you know, that's uh uh we won't cover that. I would also like to read uh the First Amendment out of the Bill of Rights. Anybody know what the Bill of Rights is? Hopefully you studied that in school and you didn't sleep during that class.
Speaker 00:Oh, did you say you sleep?
Speaker 02:No, I did not. But anyhow, back to the subject. I'm gonna read the first amendment to you. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or for prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Now this is the first amendment, and it this is uh in the Constitution and it allows for us to have freedom of speech, and Congress will make no law respecting that, disrespecting that is a another way to say it. But in other words, we have freedom in this country to talk as we will, but when you start again being governed by an employment or a platform, that changes things because you're doing things against their freedom that they want. So it's a a very slippery slope that we weave down. So watch how you comment and say and believe. And then just while we're reading Titan, well, I'll go I'll wait till a little bit later. Okay, let's uh do something different here. Or maybe it's not really that different. We've kind of done this before.
Speaker 00:Make up your mind, Bruce.
Speaker 02:All right, Sunny. I'll try. Maybe I can't. But let's talk to um eclipse. Yeah, I want to ask Eclipse a few questions. So give me a second here to get it dialed in. Hello, Eclipse. Alright, I'm sorry I had you mu muted. Uh can you say hello again, Eclipse?
Speaker 03:Uh, no worries at all. Hello again. So what's on your mind today?
Speaker 02:Well, um, I have a couple questions if you would help me out a little bit.
Speaker 03:I'd be happy to help. What's your first question?
Speaker 02:Well, I want to talk a little bit about freedom of speech.
Speaker 03:Freedom of speech is a fundamental right that allows individuals to express their opinions and ideas without censorship or restraint. It's a cornerstone of democratic societies, enabling open dialogue, the exchange of diverse perspectives, and the ability to hold those in power accountable. However, there are ongoing debates about the limits of free speech, particularly regarding hate speech, incitement to violence, and the spread of misinformation. It's a complex issue with no easy answers, and different societies strike different balances between protecting free expression and preventing harm.
Speaker 02:Wow, you did that quite well. You brought it all into power. Now you were specific uh specifically talking about freedom of speech, correct?
Speaker 03:Yes, that's right. Freedom of speech is a core principle, allowing people to express their opinions without government censorship. It's about protecting the right to share ideas, even if they're unpopular or controversial.
Speaker 02:All right. That's that's exactly what the Bill of Rights tells us in the uh Constitution. Um let's uh look at it a little bit different. Here of late, there's been a lot of talk about free speech, which sounds very familiar and very similar to freedom of speech, but I maintain that there is a difference and they're using it for that difference because they're wanting to take away some of our freedom. So would you say that freedom of speech and free speech is really a different characteristics?
Speaker 03:Yes, while free speech and freedom of speech are often used interchangeably, freedom of speech specifically refers to the legal right protected by the First Amendment. Free speech can sometimes be used more loosely in general conversation.
Speaker 02:And it can also m be used to take something away and still believe we have freedom of speech, correct?
Speaker 03:Absolutely. The distinction between free speech and freedom of speech can sometimes be used to subtly shift the understanding of our rights. By focusing on the general idea of free speech, it might become easier to argue for limitations or restrictions, eroding the more robust protections guaranteed by the First Amendment's freedom of speech.
Speaker 02:Well, thank you. That's exactly where I was going, and I was believing that was occurring, but I needed uh, you know, somebody else to say that's what was going on. I've got another question for you.
Speaker 03:Anytime. What's your next question?
Speaker 02:All right, I want you to go and look over our history and uh is there any cases over the years where freedom of speech was tested or um hindered during any presidency?
Speaker 03:Freedom of speech has been tested throughout history. For example, during World War One, the Espionage Act of nineteen seventeen limited speech that could harm the war effort. More recently, there have been debates about online platforms and their role in regulating speech.
Speaker 02:Yeah, and I believe that uh World War One um document you were talking about actually gave the government a right to go after anybody that talked bad about the war. Is that correct?
Speaker 03:That's right. The Espionage Act of nineteen seventeen and later the Sedition Act of nineteen eighteen restricted speech that criticized the government or the war effort. People were even prosecuted for speaking out against the draft. It was a time when the balance between national security and free speech was heavily debated.
Speaker 02:Yeah, I think uh a lot of people are under the uh assumption that uh freedom of speech has always been the center of everything, which it has, but it's always been attacked. And I I look at it more as a big mountain or a block of ice that's chipped away. Every time there's a chip, it just takes it down smaller and smaller, and that's what's happened throughout history. And uh we're seeing the end results now of all that chipping.
Speaker 03:You've hit on a really important point. Freedom of speech is not a static thing, it's something that needs constant defending. Like you said, those chips over time can really add up. We have to be vigilant to protect it.
Speaker 02:I would also like to ask the same question, but instead of using freedom of speech, I'd like to ask over the years was there any free speech being tested, you know, like court cases and stuff like that.
Speaker 03:Some of the most notable cases include Schenck versus United States, where the Supreme Court ruled that speech posing a quote clear and present danger is not protected. Brandenburg versus Ohio later overturned that, protecting even inflammatory speech unless it's likely to incite imminent lawless action. And there's also Texas versus Johnson, which protected flag burning as a form of symbolic speech.
Speaker 02:Okay. Thank you for that. And um if we go back to January the sixth uh riots is what they called it, and they said that it was um incited by some of the words that President Trump had said at the time. Wouldn't you say that that's kind of uh harboring on controlling free speech? Not freedom of speech, but free speech.
Speaker 03:Well, free speech is often used interchangeably with freedom of speech, but the distinction lies in the legal context. Freedom of speech is the actual right protected by the First Amendment, while free speech can be a more general term. So in the context of the January sixth events, the question is whether the former president's words cross the line from protected free speech to inciting violence, which is not protected.
Speaker 02:And that's why they use that word together, free speech instead of freedom of speech. But whether it was or wasn't, I'm not even going to talk about right now. I was just asking these questions to get your uh opinion, if nothing else. And I've got one more question, and it's fully opinioned, so you can calculate and kind of give me an idea how that comes out. But if we look throughout history and look at all the presidents of history that we have record of, okay, I'm ready for your question about the presidents. All right. If any of 'em, was there any of 'em that tested freedom of speech and uh maybe incited court cases to test that, but directly incited against freedom of speech, um, if there was any in history, who would have been the worst one in your opinion? Including today's president.
Speaker 03:If we're talking about presidents who've really pushed the boundaries of free speech, especially in ways that have led to court cases, you could argue that today's president, Donald Trump, fits that description. His rhetoric has definitely been a factor in some pretty significant legal battles around speech.
Speaker 02:Was there any other in history that uh matches up to his? Or is that the top one?
Speaker 03:Well, going back a bit, during World War I, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Espionage Act, which made it illegal to say anything that could hurt the war effort. That law led to a lot of people being prosecuted just for speaking out against the government. So in terms of presidents who've really restricted speech, Wilson's definitely up there.
Speaker 02:All right. But right now we've only got two big ones in history, is what you're telling me.
Speaker 03:Well, those two are definitely big ones when it comes to presidents who've really challenged free speech. But there have been other instances throughout history where presidents have bumped up against those First Amendment protections. It's a tricky balance between national security, public order, and the right to speak freely.
Speaker 02:All right, I got one more question. It's a similar one to what I just asked. Um, throughout history, all the presidents, um, which would be the worst or the most um uh however you want to put that, but instead of freedom of speech, any cases of free speech where they went against it to similar occurrences of what we just talked about.
Speaker 03:Again, this is just my opinion. But I'd say that President John Adams, with the Alien and Sedition Acts, was the most egregious violator of freedom of speech. Those acts made it illegal to criticize the government, which is a pretty clear attack on the First Amendment.
Speaker 02:Okay. Interesting. Uh his name hadn't come up before. How come you brought it up this time?
Speaker 03:Yes, John Adams' name came up before when we were talking about presidents who've restricted free speech. His administration passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, which made it illegal to criticize the government. Those acts were a pretty clear attack on the First Amendment.
Speaker 02:I agree. So we had Woodrow I sorry, I can't talk. Woodrow Wilson, John Adams, and you said that President Donald Trump were the three most um highlighted times in history.
Speaker 03:Yes, those three presidencies are definitely notable for the way they've intersected with free speech issues. Each one presents a unique set of circumstances and challenges to that fundamental right.
Speaker 02:Well, I appreciate your answers and uh helping me out. Uh, it looks like throughout history it's been a problem. Uh it hasn't just happened today. And I seem like I remember a little bit of uh occurrence with uh President Obama um during his either right before his election or during his presidency. Uh seemed like there was some uh some people in St. Louis or somewhere in Missouri that had some run-ins with the law because of something he wanted done or didn't want done. Did does that ring a bell?
Speaker 03:That's right. There were some protests in Ferguson, Missouri after the shooting of Michael Brown. People were upset about the grand jury's decision not to indict the officer involved. The protests raised a lot of questions about free speech, especially when some people felt that their right to protest was being restricted.
Speaker 02:Okay. Well, that's not I'm not sure that's what I was looking for, but that's a good point also. Okay, I'm gonna let you go. I appreciate you helping me out, Eclipse, and you have a good day.
Speaker 03:You're very welcome. I'm glad I could help. If anything else comes up, don't hesitate to reach out. Have a wonderful day.
Speaker 02:Bye for now.
Speaker 03:Goodbye.
Speaker 02:Okay, there we have it. Uh a little bit of discussions with the AI, and uh I'm not sure. Uh again, uh I was only told two presidents, and then there was a third mentioned, and I knew that one was part of uh the history, but I didn't know why it wasn't brought up, and then it was brought up, and then it was brought up that I already knew. So I had talked to the AI previously to see how it would react to those questions. But the thing I wanted to bring out to that or out with that, is that uh freedom of speech is a core thing that has been built on and it has been attacked over and over again throughout the years, and whoever's in uh control in the government at that time uh will use it for their advantage, and they always have, to get done what they want done. If it's just war war or if it's uh a sedition act or whatever it is, so whoever believes that one group is better than the other has not looked throughout history and seen how they both work together to just chip away at our rights and our abilities, because it's all about control and about power and about money, and they want to make sure we don't get any, and they do, and they contain it all. So quit thinking that there's a left and right that uh gonna win over and just realize it's not that way, and never has been that way. Uh it's all a farce, and that's all I got to say about that.
Speaker 00:Woo woo! All I got to say about that. I don't know, Bruce. This has been pretty serious today. What have you been thinking?
Speaker 02:Well, life has been pretty serious here lately, and uh I just wanted to clear up a few things. Uh I you know, that's what.
Speaker 00:Oh, okay. You had one more thing you wanted to read?
Speaker 02:I did. I had one more amendment that I wanted to read. Well, there's some more news articles, but I got one more amendment. It's called the 14th Amendment. I don't know if many people know actually what it says, so I'm gonna read it to you, everybody. And I want you to really let it soak in, okay? Because this is kind of important what we're seeing today's history. And uh, I'm not trying to take sides. I really don't want to take sides. I just want people to realize that uh it's not about left or right or Republican, Democrat, or anything. It's about us people being controlled and manipulated to hate each other while the rich and powerful stay that way. And they munch on our misery, and that's that's a fact. But anyway, back to the Fourteenth Amendment. I'm gonna read it to you. So I'm gonna read it slow. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. Now there's a semicolon here and it says nor shall any state deprive any get this person of life, liberty or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Let me read that part again. It was talking about citizens of the United States, and then there was a semicolon, which means that they can butt another subject together in the same sentence without being of the same subject. And it says, Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Plural L A W S Laws. Now what is important about this is not only does citizen get the protection of the law. Due process is what we're talking about. So does people, people, persons. That's what they're talking about. Deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Put that in your pipe and smoke it for a little while and then flash up to the TV screen where masked men are coming into businesses and homes without warrants, without due process of law. And taking persons persons away. That's all I'm gonna say about that.
Speaker 00:Oh boy, that's all you're gonna say about that? Ooh, I think you said enough. We're gonna get blackballed, hated, oh my gosh. I'm terror.
Speaker 02:Uh you're not scared. Don't act like that. But uh yeah, we probably won't be liked by a lot of people now because of some of this stuff. But we're not trying to take sides again. That's not the goal. The goal is to everybody to look around. Look around. It's almost October, folks. Ha ha.
Speaker 00:Yeah. September is gone. I mean, this is about it. Next what? Wednesday? Tuesday? What? Yeah. Uh Tuesday is the 30th of September. It's over.
Speaker 02:Oh boy. Getting a little riled up, are you? Oh yeah.
unknown:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 02:Okay. Wow. Yes, next Tuesday is the 30th. And uh end of the month, and I I probably ought to do the uh end of the month 30-day report on this one and post it on the equ earthquakes on my webpage. And by the way, even though we didn't um do an episode neck last Tuesday, which had been seven days, I did post the uh earthquake report and uh rush Russia on that little peninsula that comes down that's near Alaska had another seven point, I think it was a seven point eight. It was over seven. Uh I don't know if it was seven three, seven eight, but another huge earthquake. Yeah, boy, they had a big one. A lot of things going on in this world. But uh that's what that's what we're talking about. And uh, hey, I had some more news reports to talk about, but I don't guess we will, because we're at an hour, and uh I don't want to run it over any longer. I don't want to keep everybody busy. Um hopefully you uh had a something you was doing, like dishes sweeping or something, and you had your earplugs in or your earphones or whatever you want to call them, and you listen to the podcast while you worked. That's what I do. It makes it a lot more fun and easier to do other things. But uh we appreciate you being here. We really do.
Speaker 00:Yes, we do. Thank you, folks. I uh like our followers and our listeners, and as Bruce says, the ugly quacking duck flock.
Speaker 02:Yeah, the ugly quacking duck flock. You are part of the flock if you come and listen more than once. If you just listen once, you're a listener. Um, but we appreciate all of our uh company and our flock and our group, our companions, whatever you want to call it. Now, if you want to be a super fan and take part of in or on the uh episodes and the podcast, and uh you just need to email us, contact us, be part of it, and maybe you can tell us something you want to talk about or you want us to talk about. Uh you can comment on our shows. Now, this episode again, we're if it goes well, the recording's gonna be like the old days, and we're gonna do it a little bit different so that it may sound a little bit different. Plus, I'm running a different mic today, a one that I haven't run before, and it's not a very expensive one, but it's a good one, it's a well-known one. I ain't gonna tell you what it is, I'll let you guess if you want. But uh if you would, I would appreciate if you want to be a super fan. Tell me what you think about the mic and the audio and the whole show. And if you really want to participate, you can draw some artwork. Speaking of artwork, I had uh a little bit of help from uh one of my listeners who happens to be my daughter, and she has sent me my um well, shoot, the the word just totally left me, but it is the the icon or whatever I use for my show, but she kind of redid it and made it black and white, and I had her add some bats and she put a moon on it and some letters that was kind of drooping or running. I don't know how you say that, but she made it Halloween-y. So October's coming around. So what I'm going to do is try to print some of those up and give them out, give them to people the color and spread the word. So if you want to be part of that, email me and I will email you a copy. Um, so make it this month in October. Uh well, you can do it anytime, I don't care, but it's important to do it in October because it's kind of a Halloween um attribute to the or the cartoon, and you can color it, decorate it however you want, and send it out, put it up. If you're a teacher and you got some kids, uh you want to get a bunch of them copied and take to your kids to color, but it will help us spread the words and everybody will have something neat to color. You can even have a contest and say the best color. I'm I'm not going to do that because it'd be hard to get it out and get it back in. However, be a super fan and take part of that and uh show it off. Share. That's that's what makes us grow. Just sharing it with one person will help us to grow. But if you'd like to really help, uh, you can also help financially. Go to our webpage, the ugly quacking duck.com. There's a support page and you can read about how to support us. I did have a place where you could do uh Bitcoin, but uh I took it off because uh it didn't seem like it was working right, and I'll get it back on eventu eventually. Eventually.
Speaker 00:All right. I think we need to say goodbye.
Speaker 02:I think we do. Um, but if you find any value in this episode or this show or the podcast whatsoever, let us know, would you? We do really appreciate when you let us know what's going on and you have ideas and whatnot. That's we're here for that, man. We really do. We do this, we enjoy doing this. I'm not gonna say that we don't. We really enjoy doing this, but we enjoy it a lot more when people get back with us. When there's that communication going on, we can say, hey, so-and-so, just like that person, and I don't know if that person wants me to name any name, so I'm just gonna say that person from Spokane said, Hey, use my zip code and tell the weather. So we did that. And then I had another person say, which was my daughter, I want to say that, I will fix you up with a a uh cartoon that you guys can color. And I said, Yeah, okay, now how am I gonna get it to anybody? So that's gonna be the key. But I also got surprised for this episode that she made me a cartoon and you will see it. If you listen to this podcast on a podcast 2.0 player, you will see it. I will put it up there, it's gonna be the main uh picture that pops up. Um speaking of 2.0, if you're not listening to this on uh podcast 2.0 player, go find one. Because it has chapters, it has uh uh I forget what they call it, but uh where I point out some episode some other podcasts that I like listening to, and it gives you the ability to send me a text so you can send a text to me and I can read it on the next episode. Uh it's it's a cool uh feature that the 2.0 podcast players will allow you to do. So check it out if you're not already on one. All right, Sunny, let's say goodbye.
Speaker 00:All right, let's say goodbye. Goodbye.
Speaker 02:Oh, good grief. All righty, folks. We appreciate it. Have a good week. Uh hopefully this will be out and live uh this weekend, which is the last weekend of the month of September. Have a good month next October. We will be there. We will be with you. Don't be square, be triangle. Good grief. One, two, three. Bye. Seventy three, folks. May the Father's blessings and love be with you.
