You Can't Just Put Peanut Butter On It

We jump from Muhammad Ali’s new Forever stamp to a sprawling, grounded look at sleep and heart health, flattening “peanut butter” pay raises, quake counts, solar noise, and a deep dive into decades of deportation policy and its street‑level impact. Humor softens the edges, but we stay with the data and ask what incentives and priorities truly drive outcomes.

• Ali’s stamp as a cultural spark and memory cue
• Night owl vs early bird study linking chronotype to heart health metrics
• Across‑the‑board raises and how incentives shape performance
• Earthquake totals, magnitude mix, and week‑over‑week shifts
• KP index, solar flares, and radio band conditions as signal hygiene
• Deportation policy from Clinton and Bush to Obama, Trump, and 2026
• Numbers versus priorities and why community‑level effects matter
• Rhetoric, visibility, workplace raids, and public resistance
• Practical habits for sleep, work recognition, and careful trend tracking

Transcript

Cold Open: New Ali Stamps

Bruce 0:00

Have you been to a post office since January the fifteenth and seen the new stamps?

Capella 0:09

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Welcome And Show Framing

Bruce 0:31

Alright! Welcome to the Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast. This is a new episode.

Sunny 0:38

Yes it is! Yay! Episode 135, and I'm Sunny.

Bruce 0:45

Hello, Sunny, and I'm Bruce. And yes, this is episode 135, and we've titled it You Can't Just Put Peanut Butter on It All.

Sunny 0:56

Oh yeah, you're talking about those new Forever stamps honoring Mohammed Ali, aren't you?

Bruce 1:05

Yes, sir. That's true, Sunny. Thank you for adding that. We are talking about the new forever stamps that they introduced on January 15th, 2026 of this year. That's right. And they're honoring Muhammad Ali. And I'm gonna have to get me some. I'm really glad they did that.

Sunny 1:27

That's pretty cool. You liked him, didn't you?

Bruce 1:31

Yes, sir. I remember him quite well when I was real young, watching him and listening to him. Yep. I enjoyed him. I really am glad that happened. Well, we are recording uh in our studio in the Midwest Southern Illinois on Friday, the thirtieth of January. So the last, almost the last day of the month, but the last part, last weekend. So we thought we'd better get this episode recorded. Uh we've got quite a bit to talk about, but we'll try to keep it short, you know, at least uh 45 minutes.

Sunny 2:12

Oh, you're scaring them away before we even begin, Bruce. Wow.

Bruce 2:18

Well, yeah, probably so. Anyway, if you are new and just found our episode, we're glad you came. We're glad you found it. However you came about, join us for the whole episode. Maybe you'll get something out of it. If not, well, I'm sorry.

Sunny 2:38

Yeah, tell them the truth, it's because you're a bum.

Bruce 2:42

Uh no, I'm not gonna tell them that.

Sunny 2:44

Oh, come on. Go ahead, admit it. But yes, glad to have everybody here again. I am Sunny, I'm the co-host of this crazy show.

Night Owls And Heart Health Study

Bruce 2:58

You got that right. Crazy. And I'm Bruce, and I'm also the host of this show. I guess if I'm hosting with Sunny, that makes me a co-host too, but you know, who knows? Who cares? Um, if you've been here before, you know all of that, and we're probably driving you crazy. Welcome back.

Sunny 3:21

So we're talking about uh the stamp and it makes your heart feel good because of your memories. So I've got another thing that will help you, make you happy. Uh at least it will help you.

Bruce 3:37

Oh yeah. What do you got for me?

Sunny 3:39

Well, I left you a note, a kind of a letter, about an article on the desk there. Healthier Heart. Look at it.

Bruce 3:52

I already did, but I didn't know that's what you was talking about. Well, I'm not sure what part of this is supposed to make me happy, but here's what the article uh is titled People who naturally stay up late may have worse heart health than earlier risers. Is that right, Sunny?

Sunny 4:20

Yeah. You're always getting in trouble by a few people for being early to bed and early up, and they like to stay up late, so I thought you'd find this article cool.

Bruce 4:34

So everybody, Sunny, is looking out toward or for me, I should say.

Sunny 4:41

You bet I am. Somebody has to.

Bruce 4:45

Touche, but I think that's what my wife's for, isn't it?

Sunny 4:48

Oh, you need a lot more help than that.

“Peanut Butter” Pay Raises Explained

Bruce 4:51

Hey, I don't know about that, but okay. So basically what their article is, it's on nbcnews dot com if you want to look it up. But it says people who naturally stay up late, they call them self described night owls, are likelier, now get that word, likelier to have poor health, poor heart health than people with more traditional sleep wake schedules, according to a study published Wednesday in the Journal of American Heart Association. Apparently the researchers assessed the health and behaviors of nearly three hundred twenty three thousand adults in the UK Biobank. Now that's not here, get that UK UK Biobank, a comprehensive research database that recruited people from two thousand six to twenty ten. Participates participants whose average age was fifty-seven completed a questionnaire about their chronotypes, a way of categorizing people by the time of day when they naturally most energetic in activity. In other words, you know, if you are an early riser like I am, not because I like it, but because that's the way my work's been four years. I've had to get up at three o'clock in the morning, four o'clock in the morning, four thirty, five o'clock, many different times, but it was real early in the morning. And I've done that for uh I don't want to tell how many years, then you'll know how old I am, but I've done a few late shifts, and because I'd been on the day shift and early rising for so long, I couldn't handle it. But I know a couple people, I got a real good buddy that I talked to on the ham radio, and we've been friends for a long time, since I was a high schooler, and he has always liked staying up late. And yes, he has heart problems, and guess what? I do too. So it may be an issue and it may not be because there is so many factors to that, and they say something to that effect. Basically, what they did is they gave him a questionnaire, asked them eight questions or eight metrics to award each participant a heart health score from zero to a hundred, with a higher score indicating a healthier heart. And there were such things like the behaviors that affected the biological aging and sleep quality, weight, nutrition, blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, smoking status, and physical activity. And then they uh compared these, and the average heart health score for all the participants was 67.4 women, waited for it, women had better heart health than men, which we've heard that for years, with scores of 70 and 65 respectively. Compared with the intermediate group, night owls had a 79% higher prevalence of poor heart health defined by a score below 50. Meanwhile, early birds have a 5% lower prevalence. So 5% better if you get up early and go to bed early. 5%. You know, there's so many things that get changed at 5%, but I understand where they're coming from. But uh night owls had a 16% higher risk of having heart attacks or strokes compared with the intermediate group. Early birds weren't at increased risk. I don't know where they get that. But anyway, that is what he threw down on my desk that uh report or article, so I could read that report to make me feel better because I am an early riser, and uh I try to have a pretty um standard set bedtime and rise, but it don't always uh work out that way. Plus, they change my shifts, uh blah blah. Anyway, I try to stay kind of consistent, so uh hopefully that helps.

Sunny 10:01

See, I knew you would get some good out of it, and you would get some help for you.

Bruce 10:07

Oh you did, did you? Well, thank you, Sunny.

Sunny 10:10

You are welcome. See? I'm looking out for you because you're a bum.

Bruce 10:17

Okay. Thank you for looking out for me because I'm the biggest bum of all.

Sunny 10:27

Well, you just had to have that laugh in there, didn't you?

Bruce 10:31

Yes, I did. I did for sure. You know, Sunny, I like to eat peanut butter sandwiches occasionally, but you know what I don't like?

Sunny 10:46

Cold weather. I know exactly what you don't like. Cold weather, mowing, hot steamy weather, um what else? Uh there's probably a a list full.

Bruce 10:59

That's true. I told my buddy the other day I think I'm getting to be one of those old grouchety men, men, 'cause I just hate everything. Don't really hate it, but I dislike it profusely. Is that a good answer?

Sunny 11:15

No. But anyway, we know what you mean. So if cold weather is the answer, I win.

Bruce 11:22

Well that's partially true, I guess, but that's not what I meant.

Sunny 11:28

So tell us, Bruce, what do you mean?

Bruce 11:32

Well, peanut butter sandwiches are pretty good, but what I don't like is when they make pay raises just like peanut butter sandwiches.

Sunny 11:44

What? What are you talking about?

Bruce 11:47

Well, let me explain. I got another article.

Sunny 11:51

Oh boy, another article. You're coming up with some good ones today.

Bruce 11:56

Well, maybe so, but hey, we'll try. We'll just leave it up to the listeners to decide if they're good or not, but I tried to do a little bit of research and come up with some articles, you know, some interesting stuff. So, this is from CBSnews.com why you might get a peanut butter style pay raise in 2026.

Sunny 12:25

Now that's a weird title. Really weird. I can imagine a peanut butter sandwich, but not a peanut butter style pay raise. What's that mean, Bruce?

Bruce 12:40

Well, I'm glad you asked because I'm gonna tell you, they are talking about the increase style, where normally what companies would do would be to take you in their office, evaluate you, and give you some kind of pay scale based on you know what you know the everybody's doing that year and what you're doing that year. So if you're achieving their goals or they're anticipating you're gonna achieve their goals, they may give you a better increase than the guy down the the aisle who's being a bum, which it never happens that way, but that's the way it's supposed to. And if you do more, you may get a bonus and stuff. However, what they are saying is more than four in ten companies are opting to give identical across the board hikes rather than merit-based raises. So what they're saying is, uh-oh, there we go. My recorder looked like it hesitated. I don't know what happened. What they're saying is they're gonna go across everybody and they're just gonna give everybody the same pay raise. So whether you're working hard or not hardly working, you're gonna get the same as everybody else, which that's not gonna work out very well, in my opinion. I don't have very much opinion, but I've been in management for years, and uh I dealt with it, and I've been an employee that was under management for years, and I'm gonna tell you you start paying people like everybody else, and they know it, they're gonna quit working hard and just give the bare minimum. Now, there's people that do that anyway, but you're gonna see everybody start doing that. Now, what they're saying is companies may give a more substantial bonus to employees based on their uh what behavior and their ability to f fulfill you know goals and stuff like that more than they normally would. But I don't see that happening. What I see happening is companies gonna learn that they can get by with this and they're gonna give less and less, and you're gonna give more and more, and we're gonna have to have a big strike across this country. But anyway, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Sunny 15:30

All right, Bruce, that's not so good of an article. I think that one's kind of downbeat. So that's supposed to happen in twenty twenty-six.

Bruce 15:42

Yep, that's what CBS News is saying, and I'm not sure where they got their uh uh information, but they're saying workers earning sixty-five thousand a year. Wow, a three point five percent annual raise would amount to an additional two thousand two hundred and seventy-five dollars for the year. There you go. So everybody's gonna get three point five percent. So if you figure however many hours you work a year, you're gonna end up giving whatever that is. I don't know what the hours is. I I'm out of touch. I've been so long since I did it, but I'm telling you, it's not gonna hit very well. Let's hope they don't do that. We'll see, though. We'll see.

Sunny 16:33

Well, Bruce, I want to add one thing to that article. Here we go.

Tech Woes: Reaper Vs Audacity

Bruce 16:42

I'll second that, Sunny. Well, I don't know what's going on with my recorder, but it is slow. Um It did that once before, and it the the little bar that goes across as it's recording's way behind the uh audio graph, and I don't know what's going on. It did that before, and that's the reason I downloaded that Reaper program to try that, and I don't know what's going on.

Sunny 17:17

Yeah, I was gonna ask you, you haven't talked about the Reaper no more, and I see that you had well, earlier today you started it up. What happened?

Bruce 17:29

Well, I uh huh I used it a couple times and I have not learned enough about the editing with it to do anything. And I I'm just not comfortable with it. In fact, uh I tried editing the last two times, I tried to use it, and I'd pushed the wrong button, and then I couldn't get it to do a basic thing that it was supposed to do, so I had to take the audio, put it into a MP3 file, download it to Audacity, and then edit it here. So I just skipped doing that. But earlier I turned them both on like I did the first time I tried Reaper, and I started recording, and it got behind on the graph too. So I'm taking it it's probably my computer doing that, not uh the program. So I'm gonna stop here for just a second, shut down the program, and then come back to it and see if that helps. So if I do something weird, that's what happened. Well, hopefully we got everything set back up and we're running and it didn't mess anything up. I just shut the program down, shut the computer down, did a restart, and we're live recording again. Hopefully it'll work right. Try not to mess it up again, okay, Bruce? Well, I'm not gonna guarantee anything, but we're gonna try.

Sunny 19:22

Let's do the seven-day earthquake report, Bruce, okay?

Bruce 19:28

Sounds like a plan. The seven day earthquake report we are gonna do right now. Yes. So uh for the twenty-third last week we did the episode before that Friday, so I'm gonna throw it in here quickly. We had a twenty-six fifty-seven, two thousand six hundred and fifty-seven total earthquakes, all magnitudes, ending on the twenty-third of January, going back seven days, which gave us a twenty-six point five seven percent of those twenty-six fifty-seven, three hundred and forty-nine was a two point five and over earthquake magnitudes, which gave us a thirteen point fourteen percent of those twenty-six fifty-seven, and then we had a hundred and ten four point five and over uh earthquakes, which gave us a four point fourteen percent. Of those a hundred and ten, there was three six and a greater earthquakes, which are the most dangerous. One was a six point two in Russia, one was a six point one in Japan, the volcanic islands to be exact, and then we had a six point oh in New Kalindia, and if I said that right, which gave us a three total, which gave us a two point seven three percent of the hundred and ten. Now, as of today, I just checked it before I got back online uh on recording. As of one thirty, that's the ending date, going back seven days, which would be the twenty-third, that seven day period we had twenty three ninety-one, two thousand three hundred and ninety-one earthquakes total, which gave us twenty-three point ninety one percent, which as you can tell it's lower. We had three hundred and sixty seven that was two point five and over, which gave us a fifteen point thirty five percent, which made it higher. Reasons. We had a few more 2.5 and greater earthquakes, and we had a lower total all magnitudes, which is going to make the percentage higher. And then we had 118% 118 total 4.5 and over, which gave us a 4.94%, which is greater this week. But in all that, we only had one 6.0 and over, which is great. That's good news. We are thankful for that. And a little bit of side note, last week on my episode, I reported that we had an earthquake in Illinois, and I didn't write it down where it was at, and I didn't go back and look at my last episode notes. But the key thing is I found a gentleman that is stating that he was watching the earthquakes when it first came out. And he said it was a six point, what did he say? Three or six point eight, don't quote me on that. But he said it they downgraded it rather quickly. He said he'd always heard they would do that, keep people from knowing what was actually happening, but he said he'd never witnessed it. And he actually witnessed that earthquake getting downgraded. So if you felt that and it felt bigger than I think it was a 2.8, then that may have been why. And he said, this is his opinion, that they downgraded it because it was new near the New Madrid fault line, and they don't want people to get terrified. Whether that's true, I cannot say.

Sunny 24:02

That's kind of conspiracist.

Bruce 24:04

Well, I like conspiracy, but I just really can't say. Either way. I don't even have an opinion on that one.

Sunny 24:13

All right. Well let's move on.

Solar, Radio Noise, And KP Index

Bruce 24:15

Well, I guess we should since you said so. One other side note before we go to the next story. Um I've been tracking the solar flares, uh, the magnetic flux and the KP index. Trying to keep an eye on it and measure it to the noise and measure it with the radial band uh conditions, trying to pick out, you know, some similarities and stuff, and I've not been doing it long enough to know what to do, but I think I may come up with some kind of uh like five number five or number ten scale, where you I look at all these things and put a number with it so we can quickly give an indication what they're doing. Like tonight, I measured uh the radio band. I pick out uh UTC uh time signals on three different bands, 5,000 megahertz, 10,000 megahertz, and 15,000, and how good they're coming in and how much noise is coming in with them if they're coming in decent. If they're real low signals, you get noise no matter what. And I did that tonight, and all three bands are coming in really good. The KP index was low this afternoon. In fact, it went down to three, which is uh surprising, but I've not been tracking it long enough to know if it if that's good or bad, or high or low, or average what what it does, I don't know. But we only had the C one flare today, and we only have 13 17 sunspots. So again, I don't have a number of how that's good, bad, or what's going on, but uh I know uh on the sixth I did a measurement, and the band was really noisy and bad, and I didn't get a good K measure or anything that that week. And last week I did it, and the sunspots was up, the C three f solar flare was higher, and the KP index was higher, and then I discovered that on 10 the signal was way low on the UTC um time signal. Uh it was so noisy on five that I couldn't even get it in, and on fifteen it was an S4. So if the KP index is an indication of what the band's gonna be like, it was high that week, the band was terrible. So we're gonna kind of keep an eye, and that way we can give you a good report every week. Uh it's gonna be an after-the-fact, which stinks, but I may be able to get a better measurement and know what it's gonna do the following week. Who knows? But that's an aftermath. And we may discover that it has something to do with the earthquakes, too, or the earthquakes have something to do with it. Who knows?

Sunny 27:41

Oh, now you're fishing, but okay. I'll go for that. That's a good conspiracy.

Setting Up The Deportation Deep Dive

Obama Vs Trump: Numbers And Priorities

Bruce 27:48

All right, we'll see what happens. We'll try to play the game and see what we can come up with. How's that sound? Well, for the last part of the episode, we're gonna do something. We're gonna talk a little bit, kind of a a report, article report, I don't know how you want to put it, but uh all the things going on with ice and all the shootings, um, it's hard to ignore. And I tried to make this podcast uh uplifting and talk about news and makes jokes about the news, uh, but it's still hard to ignore because there's so much anger out there, so much um bad stuff happening. I don't know how to put it. Um and there's so many people offended on this side and that side making excuses and it's it's just not a good situation. But in the midst of it, uh ice or deportation seems to be the contributing factor at this time. Now how it lays out's a totally different story, but I'm not gonna talk uh much about that. What I am gonna talk about is what I did. I actually went and um I always heard that President Obama did more deportations, and I actually looked that up, and there were some articles that dealt with that, and so I read those articles, and then I took those same articles and fed them into Gemini, and I said, uh uh, let me get this right. And this is the first uh research that I had Gemini do do, and this is how I outlined it. I said, please take these four articles, that's the ones I use, use them to compile an outline of question and answers that I can use on a podcast. And then I listed them and I said um also please also give an opinion why President Trump's administration is getting more resistance for his tactics. And the outline is designed for a podcast segment comparing the immigration enforcement records of President Obama and Trump, followed by an analysis of why public resistance has intensified. And that's its return to me, and then it spits it out. So I put that together and I'm gonna kinda read the highlights because it's interesting. So I don't know how you feel about what's going on, um, but you uh I I don't want to just aggravate everybody, but you can't be angered if you see what's going on. Whether you feel one way or the other, it's very um infuriating because there is uh much turmoil and it bothers me when there's hatred that's going on and I don't like that. And I'd like to uplift everybody so they are not angry, but when you got people being shot, it's um hard to uplift anybody because they are brought down. Understand that they are brought down. I'm not gonna talk about reasons or any of that. I just want you to understand that's happening, okay? And like I said, I normally don't talk about stuff like that. I like to uplift everybody, but we have entered a time in this country for whatever reason you want to believe, where we have uh uh leadership that is going into other countries, collecting their leaders. Um we're doing all kinds of things. Now we have done similar things like that in the past, but the way we're doing them may be different. Back to the report on deportations that I did. So, first of all, a summary I did the Obama administration deported more than 2.5 million people from 2009 to 2015, making it the highest numbers of deportation by any U.S. president in history. This number exceeds the total deportations of all presidents from the 20th century. So when I read that, it proved what I'd been hearing. It also made me wonder even more so why we didn't hear much about his deportations. We heard a few things. I mean, I don't know if you remember, but they was talking about children being in cages and odds and ends like that, and there was big, you know, they was trying to blame other uh leaders and stuff. But there wasn't a whole lot, not like we're hearing now, and that really made me wonder. So I looked up these articles. So the first article was uh migrant migration policy, and then Newsweek had an article, Donald Trump deportation record compared, and that's where I got that comparison, and then Yahoo actually had a fact check, yes, U.S. deported, and then um the late in Newsweek network, they had one, who deported more migrants, Obama or Trump? So that's the four articles I used, and then I the last, well, we'll start there. So what I did on this first part of it, I had Jim and I form some questions and then answer them so I could read those to you. So the first question that was formed, why was President Obama nicknamed the deporter in chief by some activists? And during his here's the answer, during his two terms, the Obama administration oversaw the formal removal of approximately three million people more than any previous president. In 2012 alone, deportation peaked over four hundred and nine thousand. His strategy shifted the focus from voluntary returns, sending people back without legal records to formal removals which carry legal consequences for reentry. Did Obama actually deport more people than Trump? Answer statistically yes. In their respective first terms, Obama's total deportation numbers were higher than Trump's. For example, in his first three years Obama deported roughly one point one eight million people while Trump while Trump deported just under eight hundred thousand in the same time frame. Question If the numbers were lower under Trump, why is his policy seen as more extreme? Answer The difference lies in prioritization. Obama's policy used pre no pro secretorial discretion. Discretion. I'm gonna fail English. To focus strictly on those which with serious criminal records, national security threats, and recent border crossovers. That's Obama's policy. Now if you didn't catch that, pause it, back it up and re-listen to it because I don't talk well sometimes when I'm trying to read. I don't talk well, period.

Sunny 36:16

Or you don't. That's the fun part, Bruce. We are not in it for perfection because we're not perfect.

Why Resistance Grew: Tactics And Rhetoric

Bruce 36:24

You said that right, Sunny. Very well. Thank you. All right, so Trump's policy rescinded those priorities, making any undocumented person a target for removal, regardless of whether they had a criminal record or longstanding ties to their community. Again, pause it, think about it, go back and re listen to it. That is important to understand. Basically, who are you making your enemy? Is it somebody in here that has got in here illegally and killing people, doing national security issues, not part of the community, or is it people that's been in here a while and they're just different color, but they are part of the community? You gotta remember, folks, we are all, unless you are a native, which I hope that's not wrong using that, or even a black skinned person, because they was here also. If you are a white European, you did not belong here to begin with. And we moved in. So technically we could be thrown out too. How did the definition of criminal change between the two administrations? Under Obama, this is the answer. Under Obama, the focus was on high level felonies. Under Trump, the definition expanded to include minor misdemeanors like traffic violations or even those simple charged with a crime, but not convicted. And I can hear some people out there going, Well, they deserve it. Okay. Don't ever make a mistake. Fact checking the claims. Is it true that Trump inherited the infrastructure for mass deportation? Answer yes. Much of the detention and deportation machinery, including the use of Section two hundred and eighty seven to deputize local police was either created or expanded during the Bush and Obama eras. Why do Trump's numbers seem lower if he is more aggressive? Pay attention to this, folks. Several factors slowed the pace legal challenges in the courts, sanctuary city policies that refused to cooperate with ICE, and a shift in resources toward the border rather than interior. Additionally, the complexity of legal proceedings for non Mexican migrants who cannot be easily bussed across the border created a backlog. Analysis Why is Trump facing more resistance? While the Obama administration deported more people in total, the Trump administration has faced a much higher level of public, legal and political resistance. This can be attributed to three main factors. One, a shift to indiscriminate enforcement. Obama's strategy allowed many low priority individuals, those with families, no criminal records, and steady jobs. That makes that means they're paying taxes, folks, to feel relatively safe if they stayed out of trouble. By removing these carved out carve outs, the Trump administration began arresting people at workplaces, courthouses, and schools. The visible presence in everyday community life turned a federal policy into local crisis, sparking crass sparking grassroots, know your rights movements and city level resistance. I hope you guys are understanding what I'm reading and I hope it's soaking in. Number two, rhetoric and visibility. President Obama Obama often spoke about the need for compensation reforms, even while enforcing the law, which provided him a degree of political cover with moderates. In other words, he was always trying to get them to reform the law, how people got in here, and trying to be more compassionate about it. Now, whether he really meant it, that's out, you know, that's out in the jury, who knows. But in contrast, at least he was saying it with what some people say. In contrast, President Trump made mass deportation a central, loudly advertised pillar of his political identity. His use of militarized language referring to invasions or infestations framed the issue as a culture and civil rights battle rather than a simple administrative one. Number three, high profile tactical escalation. The resistance has peaked following specific tactical choices. For instance, the recent twenty five twenty six expansion of workplace raids and the use of masked federal agents in major cities have drawn comparisons to secret police tactics. High profile tar tragedies, such as the fatal shooting of a U.S. citizen during ICE operations in Minnes Good grief, can't talk in Minneapolis in early twenty six, twenty twenty six, have shifted public opinion. Recent polling shows approval for these immigration tactics dropping to forty one percent, as the focus moves from criminals to what many see as a broader, more disruptive whole of government crackdown.

Sunny 43:01

I think what you guys are seeing is a shift in the priority of how we get people out, and it is scary. And I think people are worried, and I think even maybe Obama didn't care, he showed like he did. And Trump doesn't show anything any care, any concern until it happened to affect his um consensuancy. Did I say that right?

Bruce 43:41

Yeah, you said more than I was going to, but that's yeah, that's that's true. And I think the the way th this article speaks that Obama's administration was going after the border m and very high um target people but they I think they went through the court system before they went and got them. President Trump's I had to call, sorry. President Trump's administration is not going that route. They're not going through court system to to do this. And I you know I have no problem with us getting rid of criminals. I mean if we have um high um how can I say if we have criminals like originally was told to us murderers, rapists, if they were in here and they were really uh breaking the law, grab them, arrest them, throw them in jail, and get them out. But if you're going to a house and you're getting people out that's got children, that's working, that's even been here for a while, and some of them are are actually citizens, which has been proven, then that is a totally different thing. And that's all I got to say about that.

Sunny 45:17

There you go again. I like that movie. We need to finish watching it another time.

Community Impact, Raids, And Economy

Reflections, Takeaways, And Closing

Bruce 45:27

I kind of agree with you. It kind of it's yeah it's good. Alright guys stick with me this may be a longer episode than I anticipated because I had to had that problem I talked about you know Reaper and why I wasn't using it any longer. But I want to finish this now that I've started it so if you don't like his subject then you can just shut it off because I'm going to do this until the end. But if you are getting anything out of it you're questioning uh you're interested stick with me okay please okay the next research I did with Jim and I this is uh research number two and here's the uh the what do they call that the prompt here's the prompt that I use please research the last several presidential administrations I need an outline for my podcast I am looking for a pattern or direction use the deportation of illegal aliens as a center for the outline where has it come from and where is it going? Make the outline with questions and answers of facts and summaries at the end. Now what I did that for was I'm a true believer that it doesn't really change anything when we get a different president. Yeah they got different uh egos different opinions and they go a little bit different direction but they're overall not for the people and they are keeping us separated keeping us broke down and they are eventually going to move us into um somebody taking over the world and that's you know historically been told in the Bible and other things and uh I think we can change that and keep it from happening if we stay alert and we fight I don't think we ought to just let it happen. I mean that's just not I don't know where that's taught but it will eventually happen not because it is wanted to happen it's going to happen because people quit fighting people give up people say oh well it's gonna happen we're at the end times you say that and it's gonna happen. Get it through your head you're letting it happen all right Wow Bruce you're kind of laying on the line aren't you okay anyway so that's the way the prompt was and um we'll see what it comes up with. We're already seen it but here you go so researching the history of U.S. deportation policy reveals a shift from border management to interior enforcement this outline tracks the evolution of these policies across the last several administrations up to the current landscape in 2026 so we kind of got a little bit of an outline that we're going to use and I'm just gonna read it to you okay so it's gonna take a while but hang in there. So the podcast outline the arc of enforcement number one the Clinton and Bush years nineteen ninety three thousand eight building the infrastructure question what changed in the nineties to make deportation a primary tool of immigration policy? Answer the IIRIRA Wow nineteen ninety six it was signed by President Clinton expanded the list of deportable crimes and streamlined expedited removal this creation or created the legal framework that every following president used. So in other words it was put in place by President Clinton question how did nine eleven affect deportation numbers answer under George W. Bush the creation of the Department of Homeland Security DHS and ICE in 2003 shifted the focus of national security deportations rose steadily from 1900 in 2001 to 3600 by 2008. Again I believe who's ever in office is putting together they're just building on top of each other now one man may do it worse or better or he may be more criminal but they're putting stuff together that they can build upon and whoever gets in office the next time's going to take what President Trump has done they're gonna build on that and they're just gonna lock the shackles down tighter and tighter and tighter unless we put up a fight. Sorry I hate to put it that way but that's a fact all right second the Obama era 2009 2016 the deporter in chief paradox question did President Obama actually deport more people than his predecessors Answer yes Obama oversaw over three million deportations across two terms the highest total in modern history at his peak in twenty twelve he averaged over one thousand one hundred deportations per day question what was the strategy behind these high numbers? Answer it was a border centric get that border centric roughly sixty nine percent of his deportations were people caught at or near the border in his second term he shifted towards prioritization focusing interior enforcement on those with serious criminal convictions so did you catch that he got rid of a lot of people that come over the border or was caught near the border and then he switched the prioritization to people caught inside the country with serious criminal convictions that's where the money went that's how he did it. Okay question Oh wait a minute I messed up this is number three the first and second Trump administration 2017 to 2020 and 2025 to present the interior shift so question how did Trump one point oh differ from Obama's approach? Answer Trump eliminated priorities making any undocumented document documented person a target. However, because his administration focused more on the US interior which is legal and logistically harder than border removals his total numbers approximately nine hundred thirty five thousand were actually lower than Obama's first term did you catch that? He's actually in his legal he's doing it legally now whether you like that law or not we need to go after that if you don't question what is the direction of the current twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six administration answer it is defined defined by mass interior operations as of early twenty twenty six the administration has pivoted away from border apprehensions which have plummeted to historic lows toward workplace sweeps and community arrest Question What is the current status of the one million per year go? Answer while DHS press release releases claim over six hundred thousand removals in the first year of the second term independent data from groups like TRAC suggests the actual numbers are lower hindered by the high cost and legal complexity of interior arrest compared to border returns so if it's a number game that explains why ICE has goals and they're after so much I didn't say that but that makes sense Well there you go all right let's do another one this is number four The Biden interval twenty twenty one twenty twenty four the border surge question did deportation stop under Biden? Answer no While he initially paused interior deportations he eventually oversaw a record number of returns and expulsion expulsions including Title forty two due to the historic surge at the border in FY twenty twenty four his admission carried out approximately two hundred and seventy two thousand formal removals a daily rate higher than Trump's first term average pattern summary where it has come from and where it is going. The pattern is a move from quantity which was Obama to visibility which is Trump the past Clinton Bush built the engine the laws and the agencies the pivot Obama used the engine at maximum capacity mostly at the border to prove toughness in hopes of a legislative compromise the present twenty twenty five to twenty twenty six the focus has moved almost entirely to the interior the government is now spending significantly significantly more which is one hundred seventy billion over four years to find people already living in the US rather than just stopping people at the gates the verdict we are moving toward a negative net migration era for the first time in fifty years the number of people leaving the US either through deportation or self deportation due to strict laws is projected to equal or exceed the number of people entering you're very welcome And what was that very welcome? I added that just to give it a little bit of humor I don't know if it was humorous or not the shift toward the interior of the country is a massive storytelling angle it moves the narrative from a border problem to a community impact story which usually makes a very compelling audio yes sir it does and the last part of it is my summary and I'll try to summarize the summary but basically there's an outline or not an outline but uh a review and they use case studies in this case study one of them was the community chilling effect and they talked about Orange County and Minneapolis following major ice rage in May of twenty twenty five in Orange County California they tracked a significant chilling effect spending in immigrant heavy neighborhoods dropped by twenty to twenty five percent in the eight weeks following the operations the impact local businesses reported a crisis worse than COVID nineteen as customers across all statues all statuses I'm sorry I can't read stayed home out of fear now in Miss Minneapolis which we see that happening right now in twenty twenty six protesters took to the streets in early this year and are still in the streets as I do this recording. And you know why I know some people just think they're being silly they shouldn't protest and when the government's in there let me tell you folks it is your obligation to stand up when something is not right or even has a view of not being right if you allow the controlling people to do what they want without you being out there and standing up taking pictures now I'm not saying you should scream and blow whistles I'm not saying that but without standing up recording letting them know that you are observing then they can get by with anything so stay home and do what some people believe you should stay away from them and they will do what they want and who's gonna stand up for you when they come after you because you told everybody to stay home learn from history. Anyway so there's been a major killing factor due into this and what they're thinking is is all this to actually do raids to actually remove every individual or is it to create a climate of anxiety that leads to self-dor deportation? Or is it even worse? This is my thought is it even worse where it creates such anxiety climate that people are at each other's throats instead of paying attention what's the big boys are doing and eventually we have a meltdown in this country just enough for them to decree martial law let's go in and stop it. We have to stop it because look what they're doing doesn't matter how we got there. Anyway and you got to remember back in September 2025 when they raided the Hyundai battery plant and uh most of the workers were um legally here authorized to work and they were mostly voluntarily departed um however you want to put that but because of that the company lost a lot of workers and the people that were behind the the plant really pretty well said no more. And I don't know if that ever got taken care of or they're still anyway that hurt our economy that hurt everything. We'll just have to wait and see how it comes out. The mass uh temporary can the mass cancellation of temporary protected status and human humanitarian good grief I can't say that word hum t uh never mind human I can't believe I can't say that word. I looked at it see if I hadn't looked at it I'd been able to read it but anyway humanitarian pro which affects manufacturers a new target for deportation they were previous people were previously here legally so we have a civil liberty angle high profile cases I mean that is affected more than just what we've got going on uh or had going on so we got businesses being affected economies affected and people being shot don't forget that don't ever forget that and you're not hearing about murderers rapists being shot because they was fighting against these people you're hearing about citizens and protesters being shot and I'm not going to get into it but that's my report that's the deportation report I'm not sure that it probably didn't give any consideration how can I put this it probably didn't help how you're dealing with it. It it probably didn't help any confusion with dealing with it but i I wanted to say it. I I wanted to give some fact not opinion that's what I went online found some reports I read 'em myself and then after I read them I had Gemini do the research on those reports only and then afterwards the second uh research I had it go through just looking for them answers and they they all come out the same. I mean that first report had the same identical stuff as the second one and the summary uh actually I had more papers on the summary than I'd had on the first one but anyway I was trying to get the facts to come together the the same way so it didn't look like Gemini or AI was affecting it or my opinion and it I think it did that. What you do with that information is totally up to you but I anytime somebody loses their life I pray for their family their community in this country and what what are we setting a standard for by doing this? That's the question I must ask. Thank you for being here with us I'm gonna say our goodbyes and then I'm gonna do our uh Appella Capella's value for value. But I appreciate you being here. I apologize for this podcast being longer than normal. Um I'll I'll make one or two of them short next time, make some jokes or something so everybody feels better. Unless the news get really gets really crazy. Um maybe I'll just try to do an earthquake report next next time and a couple jokes. How's that sound?

Sunny 1:06:27

Hey, that's a good idea. Give everybody a break. The news is getting so bad everywhere. We need to stay out of that if we can.

Bruce 1:06:38

Agreed. So everybody, thanks for being here. We appreciate it. Come back next time. I'm not going to guarantee we do it next week. We may give everybody a break. I need a break after this.

Sunny 1:06:51

But I hope you do like it.

Bruce 1:06:56

Yeah, well, that's a good point, Sunny, but I'm not sure like it's a good word, but I hope you got something out of it. How's that?

Sunny 1:07:04

That's better. That's a lot better. All right. I'm gonna say bye too. To everybody that was here, thank you for being here, whether it your first time or many times.

Bruce 1:07:18

Yeah, we appreciate you being here. We thank you very much. 73 and God bless, and we'll say our byes right after our value for value.

Capella 1:07:32

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