Spewing Nonsense About Nonsense: Indie Podcasters Beware

Sometimes it seems I get involved in something just to watch it morph or change and go away. I feel that same fear coming around when it comes to podcasting. 

 We take a look at what another (https://www.thepodcasthost.com) calls an Indie podcaster and how they are described. I can relate! Get ready for our rant about the changes coming to podcasting. Follow the money.  

 Yet we still cover our local weather and the 7 Day Earthquake report.

Transcript

Welcome

Bruce 0:00

Hey ho everyone. Hang around while I spew out some nonsense about nonsense.

Capella 0:09

Welcome to the Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast, the worst podcast in the unknown universe. Or at least that's what some people say. We prefer to think of ourselves as charmingly rough around the edges. We're passionate about podcasting and the value for value model, where creators and listeners connect directly. We believe in keeping our content free and open to everyone, because who needs another paywall, right?

Bruce 0:31

Welcome everyone to the Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast. I'm Bruce.

Sunny 0:36

And I'm Sunny. Whether it's morning, afternoon, evening, whatever time it is, wherever you are, you're there.

Bruce 0:50

And you're listening to the Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast Episode one fifty four.

Sunny 0:57

Yay everybody, we're glad you're here and we want to thank you for being part of the show. We hope you stick around for the whole episode and without further ado, go for it, Bruce.

When Hobbies Change

Bruce 1:14

Okay. Appreciate that. You know, sometimes, Sunny, it feels like I get into things right before they morph into something else.

Sunny 1:27

I know what you're saying. You get involved in new projects, whatever it is, right before they become unpopular or don't make as much money, or they transition into something that's not what you started with. Is that what you're saying?

Bruce 1:48

Oh, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. That's happened to me so many times over the years. And uh I get into a hobby or something that's popular, and I start getting really excited and involved, and next thing you know, guess what?

Sunny 2:09

I know, I know, it changes.

Bruce 2:12

Oh yeah, and usually it goes downhill. Now, the changes usually are very popular among some of the people, especially if they're wanting to make more money, because that's usually what drives those type of changes. So either what I got involved in doesn't make enough money for people and they drop it, or it morphs into something they can make money at, and then it kind of ruins it for people like me.

Sunny 2:44

I know, yeah, yeah. I see that a lot and I understand it.

Bruce 2:50

I actually have had a conversation just recently, last week, I think, with somebody that um really related well with what I was saying. So

What Makes An Indie Podcaster

Bruce 3:04

right now in this part of the episode, we're gonna talk about the indie podcaster. You know what that is?

Sunny 3:12

Sure do. Indy means independent. So you're talking about the small guy, the little guy, the independent guy that doesn't do it like everybody else.

Bruce 3:25

Yep, and that's really what podcasting was built around for years. Most of them didn't make a lot of money, if any. They did get a few advertisers, but then recently, the last few years, there's been a move towards uh movie stars and presidents, ex-presidents, however you want to say that, uh princes, all kinds of notable individuals getting involved in video. Now, podcasting to me has always been audio. Uh, we didn't have video. Uh it kind of reminded me of the radio, uh, with some definite exceptions. But here lately, um, people have been molding videos into the podcasting arena, and um I just don't think they're the same thing. I know that a lot of people claim they are and they push it into it. I think video is different. If you do video, you're doing a video, and yeah, it may have similarities to a podcast, which has always been audio. And uh, I think they can go hand in hand. You can have an audio podcast and a video, but I don't think we ought to relate them as the same thing. They are different, they have different uh uh all kinds of differences, and I'm not gonna go into that. And most people would disagree because most people fall into the same, oh, they're doing it so I can do it, and same mentality as all the other stuff. And a

Quick Mic EQ Tweaks And Feedback

Bruce 5:13

quick break out of uh my comments. I don't know if anybody has noticed, but I did adjust the microphone a little bit. Uh I went down on the base end of it, and I dropped out anything at a hundred, dropped it down to like negative four, I think's what it was, DB. That would should get rid of any rumble that people were hearing if they were hearing. If they're listening on the phone, that's not got very good uh sound quality. Um so you won't notice that kind of stuff. You just hear the words. And also went into the highs and I had I think 1500 uh hertz down to negative five. And I brought that up just a tad to negative four point five, which gives me a few more highs. And I can tell it when I'm listening to my speech, if I went up any higher, then I started getting a lot more popping and uh tongue slapping and uh some of the highs that I don't like. So I just went up a little bit. So I'm I'm hearing a little bit more, but hopefully it won't be noticeable after post. But if you notice anything, if you don't like it, let me know. If you like it, if it sounds better, let me know. Uh I like to have more bass, but with that rumble down there at the end, um and I've only got a two-step equalizer, so if I wanted to get rid of that rumble down there w real low, uh which gives me more clarity, I wouldn't be able to give my normal bass that I like at around 120 hertz. I could go into post and raise it up a little bit if I if people think it would sound better. Let me know. Okay? Well that's the end of that commercial and we'll go on with the subject.

Why Starting This Talk Felt Hard

Bruce 7:23

I have to say, uh doing this recording was very hard for me to start. I'm not sure unless I was gonna be talking about this and uh it bothered me. It was just hard to start. Uh a lot of podcast episodes, once I get flowing, get to my notes, it's easier. Uh but getting started sometimes is really, really hard.

Sunny 7:49

I did notice, Bruce, that you hit record delete. Record delete. Is that what was going on?

Bruce 7:57

Yep, that's exactly what was going on. I knew pretty well what I wanted to say. I had notes, or I have notes. Um I have things pulled up on the internet, but getting that first few words out and getting that structure going is always difficult. And for some reason this one was really difficult, but uh we think we have it going now, so we're gonna see. Bear with us as we talk about the indie podcaster. I went

Reading The Indie Pod Manifesto

Bruce 8:34

on the internet and looked up and I found a location on the podcasthost.com that actually has a breakdown about it. So I'm gonna read what they said. It's called the Indy Pod Manifesto. And it says indie podcasters, and it's a compound noun, an audio creator who independently produces and manages their own podcast free from major networks or corporations.

Sunny 9:13

Isn't that what we said, Bruce?

Bruce 9:15

Oh, most definitely. Um, but you read it offline, and everybody in this world nowadays, uh, if you got it online, they think it's truth, and that's that's why we read it. But let me read what this I don't know if it's the lady, gentleman, or a group of people put down. And it says a letter to the Indies. And follow me along with all this, and I'll take you to where I'm trying to go, all right? Here's to the bold ones, the independent thinkers, the storytellers who dare to challenge the status quo, to those who believe that every voice matters and that no story is too small to be heard. Here's to the podcaster who choose not to be confined by the mainstream, who reject the uniformity of the of thought and embrace the riches of diversity, the ones who explore the depths of their passions no matter how niche, transforming their unique perspective into a symphony of sound. Here's to the independent podcasters who craft stories that resonate with the human spirit day in and day out, to those who create not for fame or fortune, but for the joy of connecting with others, of sparking a conversation and of giving voice to the voiceless. Here's to those who dare to break through the noise, who dare to delve deep in a world that sleepwalks through the shallow, the superficial, the ones who crave their own path and inspire others to follow in their footsteps, to create a something that matters, something with purpose. Here's to the indie podcasters who hone their craft, always thinking long term, adapting, collaborating, and staying dedicated to the growth and substantiality of their podcast. The ones driven by a passion for care for sharing their authentic voice, embracing creative freedom and fostering meaningful connections with their listeners. Here's to the independent podcasters who shatter the barriers of expectation and redefine what it means to be a creator, to the ones who empower us to challenge our thinking, to listen deeply, and to be part of a revolution in storytelling. For it's the depths of our individuality that we find the strength to unite, the power to change, and the potential to knock a dent in the universe. So to all of you out there who dare to pick up the mic and set your voice free, we salute you. And to those who have yet to begin, we welcome you to our tribe of independent thinkers to find your voice and to stamp your make your mark on the world. Because when we embrace our differences, when we celebrate our authenticity, when we dare to create something new, that's when we can truly change the world. One story at a time. And then in great big letters it says, Hears to the independent podcasters, long may your voices ring.

Sunny 13:11

Wow, Bruce, that was a lot of reading on your behalf, but wow. Now I know why you picked that whole thing because it really tells what you was trying to share with me earlier.

Bruce 13:26

Yes, it it tells it exactly. I don't know, I never did find the author of this thing, who it was, but I think uh they did a good job of putting it together, and I I really appreciate it. Um they have uh a bunch of things for indie podcasters if you're just now learning, if you'd like to get you know going. It's very good reading, and it's very uplifting because I found somebody or people that agree with my thinking, and that's one of the reasons I got involved. Not because I had something that nobody else had, not because I um was smarter than everybody else, but because I wanted to share and build a community and enjoy doing that, you know, have fun, and that's what my podcast started out to be, and hopefully it still is, and it's matured during that process. Hopefully you enjoyed that section of my material. If you did, go to the podcasthost.com. That's thepodcasthost.com, one word, and you can see what I read. And they also have a manifesto that you can download. Just click on it, get your copy. You'll have to put your email in, um, and they'll either let you download it right then or send it to you. Um I downloaded mine, but uh the they got learning um what they call ten pillars for the indie podcaster, and they've got different sections you can read. So go for it.

Sunny 15:23

Yay! Now, Bruce, you're not gonna tell me you did all this, got all worked up this morning just for your ten pillars.

Bruce 15:36

Not

Audio Versus Video Podcast Pressure

Bruce 15:37

whatsoever. Uh the last uh several weeks, maybe months, I don't know. Um, there's been a great discussion on um the podcast that I listened to. There's several of them. And uh first of all, everybody was talking about videos last year and how they was upset because videos were being pushed everywhere, and uh videos are a good positive to go along with your podcast. I don't think they're the same thing, like I've already said, but they can enhance your podcast. More people watch videos and more people enjoy videos. If you want to put your ugly mug on on the screen, on the you know, phone, the TV, you know, your projector, whatever you're they're using, if you wanted to put that mug on there, do a video. And like I said, the actors and the government, ex-government officials, and um many, many, many other people are doing videos. They're more used to that to begin with, being out in front of everybody, being in, you know, the talk of the town. So they're doing video, of course, and it they have the money, I'm gonna say it. They have the money to do the video. Now there's a lot of independent video podcasters, that's what I'm gonna call them, video podcasters, which I think that's very accurate. You got an audio podcast and a video podcast, they're different. Okay, folks, they're different. But you've got a lot of independent video podcasters that are going into it with a very inexpensive video camera and a computer and OBS or some other uh very uh good free software, and they're making videos and they're doing good jobs, and I'm not talking about those. They are indie podcasters in my book. Whether they're doing a video podcast or an audio podcast, they are indie podcasters. And that's not what I'm wanting to talk about. I'm not wanting to talk about uh what has transpired in the last year. One is the video has gone from being pushed to almost everybody is doing them now. Um they're making people actually feel like if I'm not doing it, I'm not gonna get content to everybody, I'm not gonna grow. And maybe that's true. Maybe audio's dying off, you know. That's normally what happens when I get involved in something. Uh people just drop it, or it fades out into nonsense, or like I said, it morphs or is transitioned into something else, and it's usually something that they can make money off of, and that's what I want to talk about. All right?

Sunny 18:50

Are we gonna rustle some feathers and make some people hot?

Bruce 18:55

Well, probably, but those people don't listen to me because I'm an indie podcaster and I have very few limited listeners. But for all the listeners out there, stick with me.

Sunny 19:10

Yeah, stick with us.

Weather From Around The World

Bruce 19:14

But shifting gears, what we want to do right this second is talk about the weather, okay, Sunny?

Sunny 19:20

Yeah, let's talk about the weather. Let's make it short, Bruce, because I want to get back into that other subject.

Bruce 19:28

All right, we will make it short. Alright. What do you or who or where location? What location do you want to do, Sunny?

Sunny 19:39

Um, I'm gonna do our local location, Mount Vernon, okay?

Bruce 19:44

All right, I got it pulled up.

Sunny 19:46

All right, well, I'm gonna talk about Mount Vernon, Illinois. And by the way, Bruce, you didn't tell everybody, I will. We are recording from the Midwest or Southern Illinois, hidden studio.

Bruce 20:03

All right, thank you for that, Sunny. I kind of did, but I didn't, so thank you.

Sunny 20:08

You're welcome. Okay, from Aunt Vernon, Illinois, which is right down the road a few miles, it is 80 degrees right now. Now, Bruce just looked up at his thermostat or thermometer. He always comes with a thermostat. It's a thermometer, Bruce, but it is showing 91 degrees here at our location. A lot of sunshine, but the weather says 80 degrees in Mount Vernon right now, and it is very humid, 59%, which is kind of moderate. The UV index is 8, which is very high, the wind's blowing out of the north 4 miles an hour, the air quality is 58, and the barometric pressure is 29.94 and rising. Yay! And visibility 10 miles. There you go, folks. That's been ugly cracking duck of Mount Vernon.

Bruce 21:17

Very good, Sunny. Uh add living extra in there. All right, I think I will do Spokane, Washington. And it's uh one of our uh requests. All right, I got it pulled up 81 degrees out of Spokane, Washington today, and it is 25% humidity. UV index is 7, which is kind of high. The wind's coming out of the southwest at 6 miles an hour. The what the pressure, the barometric pressure is 29.85 and falling, strange, and visibility is all. Also at ten miles.

Sunny 22:02

Yay. Alright, that's pretty good one. Let's do uh two more, Bruce. What do you think?

Bruce 22:08

Sounds good to me. What's your next one?

Sunny 22:10

Alright, let's see. What do I want to do next? I'm gonna do Phoenix, Arizona. Um okay, there we go. Didn't take you long to pull that one up.

Bruce 22:22

Uh I know. I was trying to keep all the instances of interruptions out of it, and you still let it get going.

Sunny 22:29

Well, that's the fun of an audio podcast getting to aggravate you and you aggravating me.

Bruce 22:38

That's true. It is true. All right. I've got it pulled up. Your turn go.

Sunny 22:45

Oh, okay. It is 108 degrees there. Ooh, and we're talking about Phoenix, Arizona. Humidity's 21%, which is low. The UV index is 10. That's right, 1010. Very high. The wind's coming out of the west-southwest at 5 miles an hour. Air quality is 32, which is good. The barometric pressure is 29.7 and falling. And visibility is 10 miles. There you go, folks.

Bruce 23:21

Alright, we're going to do one more, and I'm picking Paris, France. We're doing Paris, France, and it is 92 degrees right now in Paris, France. And I believe it's nighttime there. And it is 24% humidity, which is low. The UV index is zero. The wind is coming out of the south-southwest at 3 miles an hour. The air quality is 65. Pressure is 29.94 and rising, and their visibility is nine miles, which is pretty close to what everybody else is being. There you go. That is the weather from around the world. We hope you enjoyed it. All right, we're going to take a quick break. You won't notice it, but we need to turn the air conditioner on and let it cool down because it's starting to get pretty warm in here, and we'll be right back. I just thought I'd throw that in for good measure. And we're back. I got the room cooled off a little bit and I got the air conditioner shut down again so I could record. Ain't summer nice.

Sunny 24:40

Well, you know, Bruce, no matter what the season, people can gripe. They don't like cold weather, so they don't like winter. They don't like spring because of all the rain. They don't like fall because all the leaves and the rain, and it's just people gripe.

Bruce 24:59

Okay, well, you got a point there. So yeah, on with the show. Um I'm gonna try to cap all this off here pretty quick. This

AMP Accords And Ad Measurement Concerns

Bruce 25:09

brings me to the AMP Accords. Anybody heard of them? Yeah, that's a thing that uh has been talked about. Apparently, they this is a group of people that have met an in secret and made a decision for uh not podcasters, but podcasting. And uh I've got their website pulled up, so let's read some of it.

Sunny 25:38

Oh no, more reading.

Bruce 25:40

Yeah, bear with me, everybody. If I mess up, I'm sorry. So I'm just gonna read a little bit off their web page. Uh it says the alliance, or it says Alliance for Measurement in Podcasting, AMP Accords, July 2026. Uh the Alliance for Measurement in Podcasting, it's got AMP, that's what where they got it from. The AMP Accords, ratified by the AMP Task Force 2025 and 2026. See, they make it sound very professional, uh, like they have some kind of um power. Presented publicly at the CAO summit, July 23rd, 2026.

Sunny 26:28

So this is a group that come publicly to announce what they think, um, like they have power and authority. Is that what you're saying, Bruce?

Bruce 26:38

Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. And uh some of it sounds pretty good. Uh I have to question all of it though, because of why they brought it out. But um they've got their whole thing down in uh writing so we can understand. What is AMP? Podcast advertising measurement is broken. Now get that big key phrase podcast advertising measurement is broken. This has nothing to do with being creative or putting together a podcast. This is for the advertiser to be able to measure how many people are getting their commercials and getting their money's worth out of your podcast. Ever every major podcasting platform measures success in its own way, leading to confusion and uncertain certainty. What's considered an attribution when or a CPM varies from one company to the next. Even the meaning of the word podcast is up for debate. In July 2025, a group of industry experts were convened by Oxford Road, the world's largest podcast advertising agency to help solve the problem. The problem formed the Alliance for Measurement in Podcasting, AMP, a brain trust that includes leaders across platforms, advertisers, publishers, and creators. AMP's mission is to target measurement gaps holding back the podcast industry and to decide upon new cross platforms or platform standards. The result is the newly announced AMP Accords. Again, they are talking about the advertising group, the podcast industrial complex, as some people have put it before. They're not talking about indie podcasting. Yes, this may bring a little bit more money into the podcast creator's pocket, but what's going to happen is these advertisers are going to nickel and dime you guys to death while they get all the money, just like they've done to everything else. Yeah. Their sole direction and goal is not to better the creator's ability to podcast. Their sole goal is to measure what the podcast does for them. You got to remember this Oxford Road is an advertising company. They are putting all this together for that exact purpose. And as best I can tell, they said, you know, that it's represented by advertisers, publishers, creators. Um, and there's only, I think, nine members to it right now. Nine members. And I bet you most of the money is tied up in advertising and the publishers, not the creators. Again, the advertising is wanting to measure your podcast so they can know how much money they can sink into it and how much money they can keep. It's not about giving you money. They keep talking about the money that's involved in this, and there's more money out there. Yeah, but it's not going to go to the podcaster or the people that have made the podcast players. No, it's going to go to their pocketbook and to the brands that's wanting to advertise with them. Uh, it's again, it's just those people trying to make it look pretty for their people. And the podcasters are going to get left out. Some of them will get a pretty penny, but most will not. I've seen this happen over and over and everything. And what concerns me is when I read this and heard, I can't believe how many people are falling for it, and thinking it's such a great idea that we have advertiser trying to make us know what the measurement should be and what our podcasts should be. Oh, maybe they haven't said that yet. Yeah, they have. You just ain't listening. And maybe right now it sounds good because there's hope, you know, in our back pocket coming some money. But that's anytime you see money getting involved to get more money, what happens is they make a standard, some kind of standard, then they legalize that standard. So they push for laws, so that standard is legal, so they have control over the game. And once they have control over the game, then they'll be able to control who's involved in it, what you do with it, where you're going to go with it. And you're probably saying, oh, he's jumping the gun, that's a bunch of blowing. No, it's not. You just mark my words and watch down the road a couple years, if that long, and you'll start seeing it take place. They'll be wanting to limit what you can talk about, how long you can talk, unless you're, you know, in their group and paid their fees to get their money.

Sunny 32:50

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's slow down, Bruce. You sound a little bit hyper.

Bruce 32:56

Well, I am, because um it aggravates me. Uh let me switch gears here. That's what the AMP Accord is. They have, like I said, they have um nine uh let me read them to you. Creators, UTA Creators, Shopify, Better Help, DraftKings, Flight Story, Libson, Oxford, Podscribe, Cyrus Media, and apparently that's their voting membership, which is like nine. And uh there's only a couple there that relate to uh podcasts, and then those um are not really creators. You got to see what I'm telling you, man. These people are wanting to control the creators. This is just the first stage. They come in and offer insight and how you're gonna make more money. We got to better the industry, we got to give more measurement, better measurements, just like they've always done. And then they're gonna start breaking up things, making laws. It's I'm telling you, they're pushing for it, and you guys are all falling for it. And on their behalf, what they're wanting to do is gonna make them more money. Because it's gonna get them more brand recognition into their podcast by their advertising dollars, and then they're gonna make more money. Now, I'm not sure it's gonna spoon out to the rest of the people and the public, but that's gonna gain them quite a bit of money. And the big shots are gonna earn it and earn it and love it, and I'm gonna quit harping on it. Let me uh read one more article, and if you want to look this up for yourself, just look up AMP Accords, A-C-C-O-R-D-S. And you'll get to the webpage. It's ampaccord.com, I do believe. And uh you can read all this, but all right, hang on, I'll switch gears.

Celebrity Podcasts And Indie Shows At Risk

Bruce 35:11

All right, and this is a story I pulled out um from thegardian.com, and it's by Miranda Sawyer. And as big spenders such as Amazon and Spotify fill our ears with more commercial, celebrity-driven fare, can grassroot diverse shows survive? Now she's coming at it from a little bit different angle than I am, but she's talking about how the money has really taken over and the big uh commercial style podcasts, especially video podcasts, are really hitting high right now and the money's uh even Apple's changing. Uh Spotify, Amazon Music, Stitcher, and Sony Music have all been investing serious money either by buying up big names or by investing in creators. Back in May 2020, Spotify struck the first big deal 100 million for Joe Rogan, the biggest podcaster in the world, which brought him exclusively on its roster. Since then it has made multimillion dollar agreements with the Obamas, the Sue X's, and Kim Kardashian West, whose podcasting skills are far less less established. Continuing reading, podcasting, which has been around for about fifteen years, is getting its moment in the physical sun. We've all heard the argument for big money. If cash goes in at the top of the culture, it eventually swirls down and benefits the smaller people. There is some evidence of this. Stitcher bought in Andy Audio drama people or drama writer Lauren Shippen to write Marvels, an adaptation of the popular comic, and only the stony hearted would resent Roman Mars making some Dosh he's been a podcast champion for years. Still, big money does have a tendency to invest in names it understands celebrities, or to take smaller ideas, brush them up, add celebrities, and make them commercial. In doing so, it can stomp on cultural ecosystems and creative support networks that have been built up over years. Money skews attention, brings in PR and marketing teams against which smaller shows cannot compete. And money can also just be a bit cross crass. One newbie podcast drama writer working for a big company boasted to other writers that they were the first person ever to have written an audio drama that has been bought by Hollywood in order to make a film version. Perhaps a writer had never heard of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy from 1978 Radio 4. And I appreciate the Guardian.com for bringing up this article. And if you want to read it, go there. And it's called Listen Up: Why Indy Podcasts Are in Peril. And it's a very good article. There's a lot of good information. But again, uh it's changing and people are getting more interested in podcasts, especially video podcasts, and it's kind of taking over. I mean, you're seeing more and more people go to YouTube to watch a video podcast instead of their TV. And uh that's why a lot of TV streaming companies are starting to buy into podcasting because they're seeing that trend. And that pushes that trend. So you're seeing a lot of people that would never have listened to an audio podcast go over to the video podcast because they're getting the same entertainment that they did from a movie. They're getting to watch their celebrities talk about whatever nonsense they're talking about and act like they are human. Whether they are or not is not the point, but they're creating that illusion that people love to see. And that's what it's all about. It's called entertainment.

Sunny 39:43

You better do the earthquake report real quick before we run out of

Seven Day Earthquake Report

Sunny 39:48

time.

Bruce 39:48

Yes, I better. Hang on, folks, here we go. All right, we're gonna do real quick earthquake reports for the seven-day earthquakes. And uh we did it back on 722, and we're bringing it up today on 729. So we have had two 6.0 and greater earthquakes. Uh the first one was back on 724, and it was west of Sola Venutia, and it was a 6.0 earthquake, and then, oops, I hit my microphone. Sorry about that, folks. And then yesterday, Japan, Uto, I think that's how you pronounce it, UTO, Japan had a 6.8. And again, I'm tracking the solar activity, and I'm not seeing anything that indicates that's why the earthquakes are occurring. So I probably won't ever find anything. Now, every now and then you see something that might, but it's not stick sticking with it very good.

Sunny 41:00

Well, all right, Bruce, that was something else. What an episode.

Bruce 41:05

Woo

Keeping The Show Open And Listener Support

Bruce 41:06

wee. Yep, I totally agree. I wonder how many listeners we've run off.

Sunny 41:11

Well, since we only had one.

Bruce 41:16

All right, yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, well, whatever it was. Uh, hope we didn't run any off. I appreciate everybody staying with me. That episode has been brought to you by a little bit of aggravation of what's going on. Um, again, I pledge to try to keep this podcast open for everybody, not put it behind a firewall, and not run a bunch of commercials. And what that means to everybody is we rely on our listeners to keep us going. Uh, we're doing fine so far, but you never know if they start any of this weird stuff. It you never know.

Sunny 42:03

Well, we're not having that go yet, so don't think that way.

Bruce 42:09

All right, Sunny, that's a good thing. I'm just blasting out a warning to other podcasters if they would happen to listen to this episode. Um, look out.

Sunny 42:22

Alright, you said your word. We appreciate it. Let's say our byes.

Bruce 42:26

Alright, we're gonna give it to Capella, and then we'll say goodbye.

Ways To Support The Podcast

Capella 42:33

There are many ways you can show your support for the Ugly Quacking Duck Podcast. First, simply keep us in your thoughts and prayers, and maybe send good vibes too. Second, spread the word. Tell your friends about us, even the ones with questionable taste in podcasts. Third, share your talents. If you have skills in technology, art, or anything else that could help us, we'd love to hear from you. And finally, consider supporting us financially. Equipment, hosting, and website costs add up, and any contribution is greatly appreciated. We promise not to spend it all on rubber duckies, unless you want us to. Thank you for your support.

Sunny 43:12

All right,

Farewell And Local Shout Out

Sunny 43:13

folks, this is the ugly cracking duck. I'm Sunny.

Bruce 43:17

And I am Bruce.

Sunny 43:19

And we're gonna bid you farewell, a happy evening, and I hope you come back on our next episode.

Bruce 43:26

That's true to that. We really do. We appreciate you being here. We appreciate you coming by and sticking around, and we hope you come back and stick around again. Um, I'm Bruce. That was Sunny. Uh we're gonna say, we're gonna bid you farewell. 73, everybody, and may the father's love go with you always, no matter what. That's what it's about. We appreciate everybody. Have a good day. We want to do a shout out to uh the people at uh the Bonnie Cafe at the Mount Vernon, Mount Vernon Outland Airport. Hi, guys, just in case they tuned in, and we'll see you later. Say bye.