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Shotgun to the Face Survivor: Dept. Houston Gass Remarkable Journey
When a shotgun blast tears through your face at point-blank range, survival seems unlikely. But for former Deputy Houston Gast, surviving was just the beginning of an extraordinary journey.
On a freezing January morning in 2015, Houston answered a domestic disturbance call that would forever alter his life. The blast from a 12-gauge shotgun shattered his face, knocked out his teeth, and filled his body with metal fragments that remain to this day. Through dozens of surgeries, a complete facial reconstruction, and learning to navigate life with permanent injuries, Houston discovered something unexpected – the power of forgiveness.
In this powerful episode, Houston shares the raw details of that fateful day and the grueling recovery that followed. He reveals the moment he made the remarkable decision to forgive the man who nearly killed him, sitting face-to-face with his shooter to say the words that liberated him from hatred. With unflinching honesty, he discusses the departmental abandonment many injured officers face and offers crucial guidance to police leaders on supporting their wounded.
Beyond the physical trauma, Houston opens up about the psychological battles – the nightmares, the suicidal thoughts, and the struggle to find purpose when your identity as an officer is threatened. His story isn't just about survival; it's about finding meaning in suffering and the freedom that comes from choosing forgiveness over vengeance.
The episode concludes with the team reviewing body camera footage, analyzing law enforcement tactics, and discussing de-escalation strategies that could save lives. Houston's unique perspective as someone who's faced death in the line of duty brings invaluable insight to these discussions.
Whether you wear a badge or simply want to understand the human capacity for resilience, this conversation will challenge and inspire you. Join us for an unforgettable journey through darkness into light with a true hero who insists he's "just a normal dude" who survived.
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Disclaimer Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guest's opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language, viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two cops one donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, eric Levine. With me is the Banning Sweatland and our special guest tonight, the former retired deputy Houston Gas. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 2:Hey, what's up guys? How are y'all? Thank y'all for having me tonight.
Speaker 1:Not a problem, sir, not a problem. So we're going to give people a little bit of time to jump on here, going to give you a little bit of the background of what we got going on tonight. So when you do listen to this audio later, this episode is going to be about Houston and his situation in law enforcement. Basically, long story short. Houston got blasted and faced by a shotgun. So if you care to hear that whole story, we're going to talk about it and we got some graphic pictures. Houston shared all of the pictures throughout his process. We're going to be sharing all of those and we're going to be talking about that story and then we're going to jump into our Bodycam live reviews and that's what we do. So if you're listening, you're like what are you talking about? We've never watched you before and we want to know what the Bodycam live reviews is. What we do is we pull up a bunch of random Bodycam videos that we've never watched, hopefully, and if we have happened to watch them, we'll tell you we've seen it. We'll kind of back away from it, but we will watch these body cams live and we will pretend as though we're the officers in the call and then we'll pause it and we'll discuss as they get going of how we would respond and you're like, okay, what's the benefit to that? The benefit is you kind of get an inside look at how training in policing is, and it can vary from state to state, city to city, officer to officer. So, having Houston on here, he's going to be able to partake in that stuff as well and go off of his training and experience. Banning's going to be able to go off his I'm going to go off mine and, yeah, gives you guys a chance to chit-chat with us and discuss. Now, if you are partaking in the discussion, we have something new to offer to you. We opened up a Discord channel. So, if you can check out the chat, I'm going to post that one more time in here, uh, and invite you guys to come over to that.
Speaker 1:We are really starting to take the discord serious. We're going to start using it in combination with our uh, what's up? Steve wallace? I see he's in the house, just want to make sure. I say hello to steve.
Speaker 1:He always makes every episode, um, but what we're going to do with our discord channel is we're going to do with our discord channel?
Speaker 1:Is we're going to offer you some behind the scenes stuff. We're also getting a patreon going, so what we're going to do is we're going to offer some behind the scenes stuff, some pre-game stuff, so like as we're prepping for the show, and then some post-game stuff. And another thing that we're going to offer you guys on the discord channel uh, when, when you sign up with our Patreon and stuff like that is a members only channel to discuss and talk with the TCOD crew, and then we're also going to start trying to offer Q and a sessions with all of our special guests. So, for instance, if we had it set up which we don't yet cause, it's still new, but this is the idea we would have Houston on after the show and then you guys would be able to jump in there and ask the questions and talk to him about more of what he had to talk about for the show. So what do you think about that banning?
Speaker 3:I think it's awesome, man, and I think it's a it's a great idea. I mean just our, our bloopers, if you will, when we're going through the technical. You know, I've been doing this with you for over a year and I still can't control all delete out of a wet paper bag. Man, you helped me through everything. Houston and I are probably both kind of on the same level. We're operators out there in the field. We can deal with the bad stuff, just like you, but you have that technical background and you've learned a lot. Eric Houston now is learning it because he's retired and I'll let him say what company he's working for and everything. But uh, I think it's a great idea, man, it's. It's going to be huge the discord, the Patreon, everything and I think our community is going to love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're trying. And, guys, when we, when we get to talking about the money situation, when we're like, ah, donate to our page. This is why the money that you've put into YouTube with us and I found out from our community, from people like Mr Billfold and Harrison Brock and some of these other guys YouTube is ripping us off. I hope we don't get taken off alive for saying that they're getting close to half of what you guys are donating, which you know. Cool, they're giving us a platform to get out there, but we've grown enough now that we can start offering stuff back, so we're trying to upgrade for you all. Like I said, the money doesn't go to us. We put it back into the show so we can produce better things. Mike Cucumber what's up, brother? Thanks, I love the last name too. Is that your real last name, mike? Is it really Cucumber, because I know he heard all his life. I'm as cool as Mike, who was the cucumber.
Speaker 1:There we go, mr Billfold, I sit with Alan. Alan was having internet troubles. I don't know if he's going to be able to get on here tonight or not. Usually he's in the background, but we weren't able to do that tonight. But yes, mike, thank you very much for the donation. Another thing that we have to offer to you guys before Mr Billfold, are you okay? Mike, before you guys get going too crazy on the YouTube donations, like I said, they take all of our money. So another thing we have is we just got set up on buy me a coffee, so I am going to pull that up and offer that as another spot for you guys to donate instead of what we've got, and now I'm looking for the link. As I'm talking about it, give me one second y'all, but Banning. Tell them about talking last night what we found out on Discord.
Speaker 3:Man, it was just. Obviously, we have a great community that, uh, that engages with us, and, and you guys are truly the ones that grow this. You guys tell us what you want to see. Uh, what I love is you is you put your, your, your honest opinions out there. Uh, mr Bill fold has zero filter, so we get the 100% honest opinion and that's what's needed in Americaica and everything. So, mr billfold, thank you for that, and everybody else as well. I'm just just bringing up one, but there's dozens of you that do that. But talking on discord last night was really interesting. It was my first time using a new technology and if I could figure it out, anybody can figure it out. Uh, but all of us being in there just talking, uh, shooting the shit, so to speak, and and being able to click. You know, eric and I were able to click on our cameras and and and talk to the people that are joined with us. Man, it was freaking amazing.
Speaker 1:I liked it, yeah we were up poor billfold. I don't even. I don't think he slept for work, um. So that's another thing that that we offer. Is you get to work deprivation? Yeah, yeah, you get sleep deprivation. You don't get to go to work. It's your best, best benefit there, um, but like my cucumber said, I don't answer questions.
Speaker 1:Perfect, fucking answer which it does bring up a good point. Listen, there's nothing anybody can do to make you talk, nope. So if you feel uncomfortable, say I don't answer questions. It works. Works every time that cops start questioning. Don't answer questions. Marine blood, I want to give him a shout out. He has been instrumental, along with Brian Thompson, alan and dead leg. I get in this discord up and running properly. My cousin is now in the fold. I tried to give him admin rights, but I don't know how to work it that well, so I don't think I gave him permissions on being able to do that. So, but yeah, eric, it's all listed in the Discord, so it should be easy to find. Yeah, well, one of the problems is the donations channel isn't showing up for people, so that's one of the things that we were trying to get get up there. So I am pasting the uh, the buy me a coffee thing if you guys don't want to give your money to youtube. So you've got options. Uh, we got that going now so with.
Speaker 1:That said, we're 10 minutes in, almost let's get to our guest. He's over there just twiddling his thumbs like what the fuck do I do? You guys aren't even talking to me guys, it's good here's what I want, sir, first and foremost kind of give us your uh, your law enforcement history before we get into your story man.
Speaker 2:I started my career in 1999 with the texas department of criminal justice, the, the prison system. That's where I cut my teeth at. I went to the academy in 01, graduated in 02, and been on the streets ever since, was promoted to sergeant and then I was a chief for a little while and then banning suckered me into coming to North Texas. And here we are now.
Speaker 1:Okay, so throughout your career, what did you specialize in?
Speaker 2:Man. I have been mostly a street cop for the majority of my career. I spent the majority of my time in the smaller departments. I've never worked for an agency that had more than 50 officers at one time. So rural Texas has kind of always been a passion of mine and you know there's so much to do and I think a lot of it had to do with the fact, man, that you get to wear so many different hats. Sometimes you have to wear too many hats at one time, but you get to do. You get to experience so much more of the police world, and that was always interesting to me and fascinating and I always had fun with it nice.
Speaker 1:Um, what was your favorite thing to kind of go after? Were you like a dope chaser? Were you, you know, chasing after cattle to get them back into their farm? I mean, what'd you do, uh?
Speaker 2:yes, all the above, uh, no, seriously. Uh, probably one of my favorite things in my career was, uh, dwis. I got pretty good at those. Busting dope was fun. But you know that, and I would also have to say domestic violence became kind of a passion of mine and everything through the years and trying to help people realize their actual worth and get out of some of the situations that they were in excellent.
Speaker 1:Dwis is a it. It wasn't for me. I hated doing them because it, if you don't do them that often and when you work in a very large department, you're going call to call, to call to call. One dwi is going to eat up a lot of your fucking day.
Speaker 3:Several hours, several hours.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, you're. You're done for the day and in those situations, by the time you get done with the blood work or the breath work and then you book in time there. Yeah, it's a, it's something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, marine blood, if you're listening, I Marines blood. Sorry I made you admin. So welcome to the fold, sir. Uh, you've been too instrumental for me to not let you have that. So, uh, please don't fuck us up. That's what's cool about our community is we've really grown, and you know we've had the same people here forever Um, built up a lot of trust with a lot of these guys. Tim is one of them. He sends me stuff we got Mr Billfold helps us out quite a bit, and then you know Marines Blood stepping up because he specializes in the Discord thing. So, please, guys, please, please, please, jump over to that Discord channel. We are pushing that. Push it to everybody that you already know follows us. Try to get everybody there, because I think it really is taking us to the next level. I didn't know we had more levels to get to Banny.
Speaker 3:I didn't either, man, I'm learning it.
Speaker 1:I know it's like every day we find out some new shit. To keep the country girl goes. He already blocked somebody. Hey, I trust him. If he's blocking people, he's blocking them for a reason. You guys know I don't silence people, but if you're going to come here to troll and do stupid shit and you're not willing to come to the table and have discussions, well why are you here? Go away. I mean, I'm all for a little trolling. We'll give you a little bit. We'll give you a little leeway on trauma, but not too much, Right, Steve?
Speaker 3:Oh sorry, Steve's not able to write a comment anymore.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's get into your story. Houston, once you turn your fucking phone off, I'm telling you dude, that's a hot mess Trying to make sure it was on silent, and obviously it wasn't.
Speaker 2:That was the opposite of silent. Yes, a hot mess Trying to make sure it was on silent. Obviously it wasn't.
Speaker 1:That was the opposite of silent.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1:Before we get into your story, I want to know you two's history here. How did these two start dating Well?
Speaker 2:Kyle Reyes is the one at fault for that. Kyle Reyes is the one at fault for that. Kyle Reyes hooked Banning and I together because he knew we were both in Texas and well, at that point in time Banning was planning on a hero's retreat for guys that had been seriously injured in the line of duty and he didn't know a lot and I, uh, I happened to have the uh, the Rolodex that he needed and we, we, we ended up kind of partnering together and the friendship kind of just took off from there.
Speaker 1:Okay, Banning. What's your take on it?
Speaker 3:Man back in what? 2016, 17, summer of somewhere in there same thing, kyle Reyes and basically hooked Houston and I up. Uh, houston made the drive from the frigging panhandle all the way down to basically the Springtown area uh, where I was currently staying at the time. And, uh, my wife believes so much in my dream she's like, yeah, let's go ahead and I'm going to, I'm going to retire from my job and we're going to sell our house and we're going to move into a toy hauler so we can devote as much as our money to your dream of creating this, this nonprofit and a for-profit venture that I was doing. I retired from a larger agency, medium to large agency and went off and Houston was one of the first people I got to meet through Kyle. Basically, houston made the drive down here because he understood my heart, kyle's heart, on what we wanted to do to honor wounded law enforcement across this amazing country. He came in with a mutual friend of ours on his land and we had a badass dinner together, broke bread, maybe even had an adult beverage I don't remember, I'm not sure what day it was. It ended with Y, but it may have been one of those days. Had a great talk, man. Literally, less than a month later, we put an event together. This event, with Houston's help and some other folks' help, we were able to bring in I think the first one was 32 heroes across the country with Houston, houston being the main liaison in the middle helping coordinating everybody there, because we have, you know, some of our heroes are in wheelchairs, some of our heroes just have mobility issues, and that's going to come with the physical injuries. Then there's those injuries that you can't see and I'm, I'm I'm speaking to the mental ones from, from PTS and everything else the, the, they can be evolved from going to these priority calls within this career and, yes, we're aware of that before we enter this career and you're willing to go through that, houston being one of them. But we did that. The event went off. The event Let willing to go through that, houston being one of them, but we did that. The event went off. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3:The event started with a zero budget and if you were to watch one of those videos, you'd be like man, that had to be a couple hundred thousand dollars. So many amazing businesses stepped up. We had one business that brought over $200,000 worth of ammo, full automatic weapons for our guys and gals that wanted to partake in shooting on the large range that we had out there. Then we had an ATV shop bring in a whole bunch of ATVs to give these guys. A company called CareFlight Brought in some helicopters and CareFlight's an amazing organization that does life flight helicopters for rescue and medical and everything else and they came in and did a demonstration and flew. A couple of our heroes every morning from where they slept over to where we were at in Houston was my logistics guy. He, even though he's one of the heroes getting honored, he was radioed up, phoned up, helping us, doing everything every morning, handing out the awards, doing it all.
Speaker 3:And then we had, you know, a couple of events after that and then COVID hit, you know, and then we're kind of in the mud right now, but we'll get back up and going someday. But that's how Houston and I got to meet each other and I did. I talked Houston into coming down here. Houston at the time when I met him was a chief up in a small town. He's going to go into that and I said, hey, man, there's a sergeant's position open. This is a great town. Where we're at, it seems amazing. Why don't you come down here and take the sergeant spot?
Speaker 1:That's so weird, that's such an odd thing to me. So, guys, when he's saying, coming into another department and taking a supervision spot, pretty much.
Speaker 3:You know that. First, real supervisor, and it's the most important. Houston believes that too. Being that sergeant, especially in a small to medium-sized agency, I mean you're making split-second decisions that can be career-inducing and Houston's got a good head on his shoulders. But we met and then so he was here. What a year, year and a half, and then you reached out to him like that.
Speaker 3:And then I retired from the large agency, came up and I was running everything With that. My office was here on Main Street and I want you to picture, like a uh, uh, uh, a filming area from land man, I mean, hell it's. It's been filmed up here with the old County courthouse. It's a square with all the businesses. I had one right in that square Um, and Houston came in and he's like hey, man, you know, we got another sergeant's position now and I retired.
Speaker 3:I just retired out of law, matter of fact, I was growing a beard then as well and I had to pray about it. I love this city and I had to pray and I ultimately said yes, I came in, went through my two hours of training and went out on the street and started figuring things out. Houston was a big help on that and I got my first paycheck and I thought the city manager forgot to add two or three zeros jokingly, because I was used to a larger agency and it gave me one hell of a lot more respect for these guys who work in the rural areas for as a bag boy type pay, if you will, for what they're doing. So that's how we met and it's and it's, and it's. Awesome man, it's been a good friendship ever since.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure, man, and that's you know. You talk about the paychecks, man. That's how you know God exists, man, because we can't survive on that paycheck. It's absolutely a miracle every week.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, my mom was the first one to donate on. Buy me a cup of coffee, or buy me a coffee.
Speaker 3:I wish she would do that. She's such a large supporter, so that's awesome. So thank you, mom.
Speaker 1:That's the other weird thing about the buy me a coffee thing is it doesn't. It's not as fun, it doesn't scroll up on YouTube and all that stuff, so I have to like be paying attention while we're doing it, if somebody happens to hit that up. So I am trying to pay attention while we're watching the show. Thank you very much. No, my mom is not lying. She does buy me socks and underwear for Christmas every year.
Speaker 2:That's a good mom should.
Speaker 3:It is man. People can laugh at that all they want, but a good son enjoys that and understands how important that is. It's awesome.
Speaker 1:Marine, blood on the rolls and stuff. You do what you think is necessary, brother, I don't know what's going on. So, hannah Odeshi, I love listening to Banning. He talks, military talk. I didn't want to join the military, so I joined the Air Force. Hey, hey, at ease.
Speaker 1:Get down and give me 25 listen. In the air force we had a very hard regiment of golfing in the afternoons. It's sweaty, hot golfing in the middle of the day, guys, I promise you. So give a shout out to my admin on Two Cops, one Donut Facebook group. Natalie, she's jumping on and telling me that she's doing some admin stuff on Facebook right now. So I appreciate all your hard work, all my admins that help us out and believe in the mission and doing what we're doing. So while we're sitting here talking about things we appreciate you know what I appreciate Banning.
Speaker 3:What's up?
Speaker 1:I appreciate this Retro Rifle shirt that I'm wearing. This is my Tom Selleck, so this is the Magnum PI. Highly recommend you guys go to Retro Rifle. Tell them there is no discount code they don't do discount codes or anything like that but jump on there. Let them know. Two cops one donut sent you. At least they know you came from us.
Speaker 3:And don't don't have sticker shock looking at a picture of a shirt when you get these frigging shirts in the mail. Yeah, neither quality. I only have one. I'm going to get more eventually. I just been busy. It's one of the highest quality shirts I've ever owned. Don't have it on tonight. I happen to be wearing it, I think yesterday or the day before, so I'll maybe bring it out again in a week or two. But great shirt man. Absolutely fantastic shirts.
Speaker 1:What I like about them besides the hidden gun feature, where there's always hidden guns all over them is they don't stain easy. You'd really have to rub something into them. Most of the time you can wipe it off like, so it doesn't keep in, um, and they don't fucking wrinkle right. So you can cram it in a bag and then when you get done, uh it, it comes right out like it's.
Speaker 1:It's nice, it's always right, yeah you can spill a cold beer or water or whatever on it it just, and one of my other favorite features that we don't really ever talk about the collar is buttoned so you can unbutton it and go more relaxed or you can. You know a little more business and I like having a button, but if I'm laying around the pool or whatever, take it down, you know, go a little informal.
Speaker 3:I try to tell everybody about it. And also, don't forget, you know we can. We can talk about the ghost patch as well.
Speaker 1:Go to ghostpatchcom. You can get our badges, you can get our patches, like what Banning just showed. We have an actual patch, I believe, and we have a coin. So you guys can, if you want something tangible to hold on to from Two Cops One Donut, go to GhostPatchcom and type in Two Cops One Donut. You'll find all the stuff that we have available there.
Speaker 3:So just real quickly before Houston goes into his story, I'm going to get my daughter Shelby a shout out. She's about to be 10 years old. Um she, this is the first one she's going to be able to sit not not through the when we break down the body camera stuff. Obviously I'm a I'm a good dad, but she knows Houston. Houston is another father figure to her and if anything ever happened to me he'd fall in that role in a heartbeat. So she's in the living room watching this on the big screen. So shout out to my daughter Shelby and I know Houston's family is probably watching this as well- oh yeah, 100% Love that little girl man.
Speaker 2:Good old Ronda Rousey that she is that's right.
Speaker 1:Holy shit. Shout out to Harrison Brock. He just dropped $100 on us on our buy me a coffee. Harrison, thank you very much. Harrison does throw memberships at everybody. He was like not today, not today. You two have been getting too much of that money because Harrison does throw memberships at everybody. Yeah, he was like not today, not today. Youtube been getting too much of that money. Harrison, thank you very much. I think Harrison really enjoyed the live chat last night Cause he was on there. So big shout out to Harrison. Appreciate Harrison. Harrison loves sharing Kentucky videos with me. Man, he shares all the Kentucky trooper shit because they got a lot of corruption shit going on out there.
Speaker 3:Houston's wife just commented over there on the right. Jessica Gast on there.
Speaker 4:She said I'm here.
Speaker 2:She's a pretty awesome lady. I'll give her that man. She's put up with my shit over the years, so we're good. He said, okay, just checking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, magnum, he said Okay, just checking, didn't want you to upset him. Yeah, they don't have a link on the webpage because that wasn't really part of the deal that we worked out. It was kind of an informal handshake type thing, like retro is not paying us. They're sending us shirts every once in a while, so that's kind of the deal. You guys see me in every video, you see me in. I usually have a retro rifle shirt. That was the deal. So you guys just get to see him with Mr Bill Polk, kentucky, kentucky, kentucky. He's concerned about where he lives. Man, nothing wrong with that. Okay, houston, you got a story to tell, brother.
Speaker 2:I do.
Speaker 1:I do, I do. I want that nice, gorgeous voice of yours to get up to that mic. Get cozy and we're going to go with an uninterrupted story time. I want you to lay it down. Tell us what the weather was like that day.
Speaker 2:What did you have for breakfast? And then get into what happened. Okay, well, so that morning it was January 6, 2015. It was brutally cold in the Texas Panhandle that morning. I think I woke up and it was like five degrees Got up.
Speaker 2:Actually, I got home from work that night about 3 am because we were pretty shorthanded and so we had to cover everybody's days off. From the supervisor's standpoint, I was covering the midnight shift until 3 am. The day shift patrol sergeant called me up at 9.15 in the morning and said he needed help because he was getting hammered with calls, and so I tried to get a hold of my troops on my shift and of course you know, they said not today, satan, and didn't answer their phone. So whenever you're the supervisor in charge and you get called for help, you automatically go in. So me and the wife were actually supposed to meet for lunch that day, which wasn't an uncommon thing to have to cancel plans because of work related activities. Work-related activities going on getting called into these small places like that, it just happens. So called her, let her know hey, I got to go to work. They're getting hammered on with calls.
Speaker 2:I had a couple of guys sitting out at the hospital man on a particularly violent mental patient and calls were coming in and it was a Tuesday morning so it was kind of a kind of a weird day.
Speaker 2:But for whatever reasons, tuesday is always one of those days that always just kind of hammered my ass over the years of my career so you just kind of got used to it, used to it.
Speaker 2:So I go to work at, I go on duty at 1045. And as soon as I went on duty, the day patrol supervisor was calling for extra units to come to his location on North Nelson street. So I was like, well, I guess that means me, and I showed up. My Lieutenant showed up and a detective showed up, because every other unit in the city which we only had, uh, four other units on duty at the time, so every other unit in the city was all out on other calls or taking care of the uh, the mental patients that they had up at the hospital. So I show up on scene and there's some vehicles there. I'm talking to the day shift supervisor and getting a low down what's going on and it's a domestic disturbance where a shot had already been fired. Luckily about that point in time, as soon as I showed up on scene, man, the girl came out, so hold on.
Speaker 1:This is domestic right. Yes, okay, so you got domestic. Domestic is one of the most dangerous calls. For those that aren't too familiar with police work, I think even you guys know domestics are arguably the most dangerous on-scene calls that we get, other than being on a traffic accident.
Speaker 3:And if you don't know it as a domestic, you may know it as family violence, family within the household, with the people you work or you live with.
Speaker 1:Yep, okay, houston, I want you to continue. I want you to push your mic away a little bit. We're getting some pops and the other hard part. You're a hand talker, I can see. Don't hit your desk while you're talking.
Speaker 3:You ought to hear this dude when he comes and knocks on your door to make you grab your gun.
Speaker 2:Cop knock yeah that's right.
Speaker 2:So, as we're gathering intel and figured out that the girl had gotten out, we're figuring out who's in the house and what he's got, and we knew that he was potentially armed with a 12-gauge shotgun. But also, at the same time, while we were setting up our perimeter around the house because, you know, being shorthanded, uh, it was kind of tough to get that done we had to call in the county and and that took a few minutes for them to get there, uh, because of where they were at. And then the next thing, know, we get a call that there is potentially somebody walking around with a shotgun in their hand about a block, maybe two, behind where we were at, just to the west of us. So they free that up and while we're doing that, we go ahead and make the decision to make entry into the house. Whenever we made entry into the house, man, you know you can smell certain smells and whenever you think about it, man, you can just bring it up. Well, that's exactly the way this house was.
Speaker 2:It had you know it had that lovely, that lovely meth smell to it, with cheap cigarettes and cheap candles and cat piss everywhere. So you know, we go in there. This house is just absolutely just disgusting. We're searching over everything. We go in there. This house is just absolutely just disgusting. We're searching over everything. We go, we go tactically, we're going room to room searching, not finding anything.
Speaker 2:And at this time, just so you know, I've got the sergeant, I've got a detective and the lieutenant is in this lineup whenever we're coming in. So you know, normally at most agencies, the lieutenant and the sergeants aren't going to be in that, they're going to have their other guys in there while we're out directing things, and that's that's how incredibly shorthanded we were. Short-handed we were. But as we got into this, into the far West room okay, so it was a it was a really small room, I don't know, probably 10 by 10, something like that. Right, well, in the corner there was a. There was a queen size bed, right across from that was a small little love seat, little two seater couch, and then there was a closet right there. We checked everything and then in that little corner between the bed and the chair, there was another door that went into another room and we didn't know what was behind that. We didn't know if it was like a bathroom or a closet or something like that.
Speaker 2:And as soon as I put my hand on the doorknob, man, the suspect, fired through and hit me in the face, right here on the left side, and it knocked all my teeth out. It split my chin. My chin was sitting down about right where my collarbone is at right here on the right side, and what didn't enter into my face and my neck, went into my chest and my bicep. I didn't know what hit me. I really didn't know what hit me. It it, it didn't particularly hurt at the time. Uh, you know.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of that man is the adrenaline dump that we were kind of going through. Man and your body just does some amazing things, man, Whenever, uh, whenever you're in those kinds of situations.
Speaker 1:Can I interrupt you for a second Sure? First I want to thank Drake Seymour. He said Houston is such an amazing dude, hard as steel, and he donated $5 to the show. So thank you very much, and that was to you. Houston and the movies portray shotgun blasts through a door a certain way and we all seen it knocked you on your ass 20 feet back you took a shotgun point blank through a door. What did it physically do? I mean, you told us what it did to your face and your neck and your shoulders and all that. What did it physically do to you as you're standing there? Did it knock you on your ass? Did you fly back? Do you remember it? Or you on your ass, did you fly back? Do you remember it? Or is this what you remember?
Speaker 2:Oh no, I remember everything about it. No, it knocked me on my ass for sure. It did knock me back 20 feet. In fact, through the door there was about a quarter to half dollar size hole, and that's it. I didn't get knocked out during that situation, so I was able to kind of keep functioning, if you will Kept trying to get up and trying to get up and trying to find things and trying to see things. Well then, at that point in time, time, I realized that my eyesight was gone.
Speaker 2:Uh, I, I, yeah, I completely lost my vision uh, so you're on scene for an active call, blind as fuck yep everything is just dark as night, dude, uh, you know, at that point in time, man, I had, of course, you know, I had my pistol in my hand and we're, we're going along and, dude, I lost my pistol. Uh, didn't, didn't know where it was at. I kept trying to look for it, kept trying to find it, but also trying to figure out what in the hell just hit me, uh, because literally, it felt like a, it felt like a dude, like a baseball bat had just come through, man, with a pickup attached to it. But literally, man, I couldn't see.
Speaker 2:And that kind of got me to panic in a little bit, you know, because oh, oh shit, I'm sitting here, I can't see where am I at, what am I doing? Then, then, all of a sudden, man, you know, like I said, initially it didn't hurt, but at the same time, man, then, oh, man, your, your mind starts going crazy. At that point in time, man, I started thinking about so many different things, man, crazy, at that point in time, man, I started thinking about so many different things, man, you know, uh, on that particular day, okay, I'll tell you, we, me and my wife, had just, we had just got, to the six month point of our marriage.
Speaker 1:man Me and her are pretty freshly married.
Speaker 2:How long have you been married now since?
Speaker 2:11, 11 years now, okay, yeah, we got married in 14, july of 14, and I got shot in January of 15. So you know six months so, and just to give you an idea kind of who my wife is, man, my wife is an incredible woman and she's been through so much, she's been through so much. And at that point, so, uh, back in back in 13, her, her first husband, uh, rest his soul uh passed away. Uh, he was a, uh, he was a, uh, a jailer at another county in here in Texas and, uh, something happened and he, he took his own life.
Speaker 2:You know, the job is just kind of one of those things, man, it does that to so many different people and you know, so, at that point in time, man, she kind of felt like that, maybe she was a curse or something like that, and she couldn't have been anything further from the truth on that man, she ended up being my rock for a lot of different things, man. So, yeah, big shout out to her for sure excellent um she is one hell of an amazing.
Speaker 3:His whole family, uh, experienced this and and we're about to, when eric's ready and houston's ready, we're about to show y'all some some pictures, um, and this is not to to distract anybody from what we're doing, but this is to y'all. You guys are living this moment right now and this it's not very often you get to to jump into somebody's life when this is happening and when Houston is doing this, um, but Eric's going to occasionally throw some pictures up there and you guys are going to actually see what he, what he, his, his appearance was prior to to his appearance, going through everything and all the way up until now, good.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sorry. I was going to read this comment cause it's fucking hilarious. Tim said damn, you said you were having a guest named Houston gas. You never told us about the second guest, his, his big steel balls. Holy shit, that is fucking awesome. So, uh, yeah, I'll share the screen real quick, um, and we will. Uh, actually, let me show this beautiful mug right here. Sure, all right, guys. This is, uh, this is that. I mean, he's got a lot more wrinkles now, um, and uh, little facial hair, what I like to call man makeup. That's why I have, um, this is man makeup. So that's what our man looked like prior. Um, now let's, uh, let's see what the damage that we were talking about is. I'm going to go to the x-ray first, so you guys have an idea of what the x-ray shows up and how he has trouble at the TSA.
Speaker 3:And and Houston. While this is up, explain, explain what folks are saying.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what? You're seeing that right there? Okay, this, this photograph was taken a couple months after my shooting. At the time I still had a few teeth left on the top and my jaw was completely wired shut. And whenever you're looking at the chin area, you see the big brace that kind of held my bones together and everything, because I got shot to a point to where my bone will actually never grow back together. It damaged it to a point to where they had to use use that to keep, keep everything together, to keep everything together. And then all those lovely little white specks are the shot that hit my face and entered into my body, that are still there to this day and will probably remain there till the day that I die.
Speaker 3:One thing about that shot. Houston gave me a call when we were both at a, at a small agency up here working together. I worked all night, I was about to get off, he was about to come in and he just had to send me a picture of this little piece of metal on his pillow. This was probably eight years after he had been injured. And he's like and he called me, and houston is so nonchalant and don't give a, you know what about anything he's like.
Speaker 3:Would you frigging, look at that? I was like what do you show me? He's like that's a piece of shot. And so you guys understand, shot is a piece of the fragmented round. It's the blast inside a shotgun. Pistols and rifle rounds are small and cylindrical. And then a shotgun blast they call it a spreader for a reason as it gets further away from the barrel it opens up with a ton of shot, like you see in the, in the x-ray, and this shit will just eventually where it's. It's a foreign object in the body and your body's amazing and it'll work a piece out. And and he, he frigging sent me a picture of that. And you know I just ate breakfast and I'm like that's, that's awesome, that's awesome. That's a piece of yeah, that sure enough is. That's a piece of your freaking injury coming out of your face. You might want to get a Band-Aid before you come in. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I got to give a shout out to my shooter At least he didn't use the cheap ammo man. He used the good solid steel shot, not the cheap ass lead stuff, you know. I mean that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Good looking out, brother. Um, so I want to. I want to give a shout out real quick to uh former officer himself, clay jepson. Uh, he owned a company called code three technology and I I don't even I, this is one of those things. I, you guys know the type of people I surround myself with. Clay is one of those people. He, you guys know the type of people I surround myself with. Clay is one of those people. He's like Banning, he's like Houston. They have a servant's heart around everything their friends, their family, all of this stuff.
Speaker 1:Now, when Houston was retiring, obviously he's a young man. Look at him. He's still willing to work, wants to, wants to help in another way. And Clay is one of those people that took his law enforcement skills, his niche, and turned it into code three technology and he still continues to serve. He serves by hiring law enforcement. He serves by offering law enforcement some of the best stuff out there at the lowest price as possible.
Speaker 1:This is not a pitch, this is just a guy that truly wants to serve. He has helped two cops, one donut, with zero ask. He didn't want to be put at the front, he didn't want to be a sponsor, he just wanted to help and helped us out, and the video camera that you're looking at me through today. He's one of the reasons we have it. That is the type of guy Clay Jepson is, and he is on here right now because he's the type of owner of a company that took the time, as he's hiring somebody, to say, hey, I don't want to just get to know you, I want to know your family, I want to know who's representing the Houston Gas family. And that's what he's saying here.
Speaker 1:Houston and Jessica are the kindest people, strongest couple. Had a chance to have dinner with them in the stockyards last month. Thanks for connecting Bannon so awesome dude. And I could go on and on about some of the stuff Clay's doing. I don't want to say too much and I don't want to overstep. Just know that Clay has become an integral part of what we've got going on with Two Cops, one Donut.
Speaker 2:He is certainly a fantastic man.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he helps out law enforcement across the nation all the time. He's recently visited me and met my guys at work and has stepped up to help them. I'm not going to put any of his business out there, but just know that we appreciate it. And, Clay, thank you so much for look. He's supporting his guy. He's on here watching your interview right now because he supports you. That's a good.
Speaker 2:And I'm going to tell you right now I'm really, really, really excited and proud to to work for code three Technology, and Clay and his brother-in-law, jim, are just salt of the earth kind of people and they saw something in me that after 26 years of law enforcement I didn't see in me. And I just can't thank them enough, man, because you know they're really the true kind people here, because you know what they've done for my family myself and what they're teaching me to do now. Man, you know you can't teach an old dog new tricks and they're proving it every day. So a big shout out to Code 3 Technology and what they mean.
Speaker 2:And I don't think I could have gone to work for another company, man, because our belief systems align with each other. We're not car salesmen and we put the relationship first, because the relationship is the most important part of anything. We don't give a damn if we sell you anything, man. We just want to make sure that we're there to support you and to support the department that's out there and make sure that they have the best equipment possible. And if it's something that we don't sell and we hook you up with somebody else, man, we're going to make sure that we hook you up with the best, so big shout out to those guys.
Speaker 1:Love it, Love it. Um, okay, let's get back to you, sir, you are the main attraction here. I am going to we. We saw the, we saw the x-ray. Now let's see Graphic warning folks. We have some graphic images coming up. You've been warned, so let me share the screen. There we go, okay.
Speaker 2:Houston walk us through. Okay, so that one was probably taken about six, seven days after the initial shooting. Uh, obviously you can see that, uh, there's, there's still a large hole in my face. Uh, what they tried to do is they went in and they they tried to stitch everything up to the best of their ability and at that point in time, with all the damage that was there, and if you look down at the picture, you'll see this large puddle of drool Well, it severed all of my saliva glands and I had no way of controlling anything like that, and it had eaten through all of that and they had tried to go in and patch that the best they could. But obviously I mean that kind of damage, that close up, man, it's tough to do.
Speaker 1:Yep, mr Belfold said it's not the departments that look out for cops like Houston. It's the individual cops like Clay who are really supporting actual heroes like Houston, and I think we've seen all too many examples of police departments failing their officers. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's very sad, very sad. You wonder why it's hard Recruiting's at its lowest for policing and you got you got examples like uvalde that that caused a lot of damage, but then you've got examples like houston that also cause a lot of damage. You got a guy that's out there doing just sacrificing his whole freaking being, and this is what happens. This can happen. Um, I A lot of cops hate when I say this. Policing is not an incredibly dangerous job. It has a high potential for some danger, for very high danger like this. It's one of the most difficult. That's how I argue it. It's one of the most difficult jobs. I'm not out here.
Speaker 1:I don't think we're heroes just because we put the uniform on. We become heroes like this. This is what this is. This is what I would define and I know he's gonna shake his head no, but this is what I would define as a hero moment. Motherfucker gets shot in the face, blinded, still trying to find his gun, trying to stay in the fight, trying to figure out what the hell happened to him. So that could have been, you know, being punch drunk from the shotgun blast, who knows. But he didn't tuck tail and run. So that's a hero. I mean, he sacrificed his body for somebody he doesn't even know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I tell you, you know, for the guys that that were there, that that saved my ass and drug me out of the room and kept me from getting up. Man, I will be forever grateful to those guys, to the officers that were in the house with me that day, and you know, they're, they're the in my personal opinion, they're the ones that were the true heroes, because they had to, uh, they had to, watch what happened to me and, and I'm going to tell you right now, I was not the only person in that house injured that day.
Speaker 1:Really, really Okay, so suspect down.
Speaker 2:Well, he was injured too, but I'm I'm talking more about, uh, about the guys that had to watch oh I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know I wasn't even side of things. Yeah, yeah, okay, so I'm gonna keep going through these pictures, though let's, let's walk absolutely um, looks like you did get stitched up here.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was at the healing. I was about the month healing point, right there.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I may have these a little out of order. Houston, you're good, and I tried to get them the best that I could, just by looking at them. Dang, I'm not going to lie A little Harvey Dent look right there, uh-huh. I always wanted a dimple Right, you guys will learn. Cops have a six-tenths of humor. If you don't know that already, keep going. I think that's the same picture. Here's a close-up. Damn you know. What's great though? The hair still can grow through, that's a plus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, damn you know, what's great, though the hair still can grow through. That's a plus.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, okay. So what's this about? Okay, so I am fused from my neck, from C4 down to T1. And that is a result of the shotgun blast, because it comes with a tremendous amount of torque. If it doesn't rip your head off, it's going to rip everything else in between apart, and I spent years dealing with that and everything you know, just trying to make it go away, until it got to a point to where I just couldn't deal with it anymore and I saw a really great neurosurgeon and he hooked that right on up. But unfortunately, because of that blast, I've had to have three separate neck surgeries because of that.
Speaker 1:Damn. I wanted to hit this comment real quick, because this is the shit that we live for. On this podcast, mike Cucumber which is still an awesome name, by the way said I don't like police, but it's impossible for all but a few to be police. Humans are imperfect beings and asking humans to be police is a fool's errand. That is a deep statement.
Speaker 3:It is it really is, mike, we try to pay attention to all the comments. If you've commented before tonight, I may have missed it. I believe you're kind of new. Regardless of your thoughts, we invite everybody and thank you for being here and watching this tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, listen, mike, one of the things that we said. The whole point of this podcast is to bridge the gap. I don't want a fucking echo chamber. I want the people that hate cops to be here. I don't want the people that hate cops to be here. I don't want the people that don't get me wrong, I love having my pro-cop people. You're fine, but I don't need to win you over. If you already like police, I need to win the people that don't, and when we avoid those conversations, we never fix a fucking thing. So we need to have the conversations with people that just cannot stand police.
Speaker 1:It drives my mom nuts and I feel bad for my mom because she just wants to defend her baby boy and she watches every episode of what I do, every episode. Never missed one. So when they hear a cop hater come on, she can't help but go mama bear. So be kind to her. She's just protecting me, but I welcome it. I love it because, if you give me a chance, we may not agree on everything, but damn it, let's come to the table and talk. That is the point of what we're doing. I don't want an echo chamber. You guys have helped improve how I act as a cop more than I ever learned on the streets.
Speaker 3:When I first started, I was learning to become a cop Doing this has made me a better cop, because I listen to what you guys say, I ingest it and I take it to work. Throw it. Throw matthew roberts, second from the top comment up there um, I really want to drink a beer with houston you know, roberts and I hey man, let's, let's make that happen matthew we, uh, matthew ro.
Speaker 3:Matthew Roberts is also an injured police officer. You know, I haven't even began to ask Matt if he wants to come on here, but he's another wounded police officer and we went to the academy together. He's a great dude. I mean, we hung out in the academy and then lives happened marriages, different things. Matt decided to join the Army. In the middle of it they came back and put the uniform on again, but I'll let him explain that story, for him to say that he's a selfless guy and Houston, we will make that happen. We'll get Matt together. We're going to sit down and have a cold beer and enjoy the life that's right in front of us.
Speaker 1:Yep 100%.
Speaker 1:And I like this from Mac Dump whole beer and enjoy the life that's right in front of us. Yep, and a hundred percent. And I like this from Magdump he said agreed, no need for the echo chamber. A hundred percent pro cop, a hundred percent anti -cop and everybody in between, so we can bridge the gap. Yes, and you guys have witnessed. I do not.
Speaker 1:And here's the only time that you will probably get banned on here, and I will always give you a chance to back out, as long as you don't slander the show, me or the guests. And all I mean by that is don't call them a liar, don't say that they're doing something that they're really not. If you want to call them a piece of shit, you want to call them an ass bag, you want to call them pig fuck 12, whatever it is, I don't care. You can say those things, but don't lie about them. I and don't care. You can say those things, but don't lie about them. I, and don't call them liars and all that. Don't none of the slander stuff. I don't like that. Um, I will give you an opportunity to take it back. I always do. I'll tell you. Okay, hey, this is your warning back off either either apologize, just don't say it again. Whatever it it is and that's not me trying to. You can ask anybody in our community. It's very hard to get banned from here, so I take that very serious. I really want people to share their bad opinion I shouldn't say bad opinions, having bad opinions about cops, having good opinions about cops, whatever it is, let's talk about it. I just want you guys to come to the table and have the discussions. So Sally jumped on. She said you know what? I want? To become a baker's dozen. Sally, you just joined and you're already jumping on the baker's dozen. I appreciate that so much. Thank you very much. We should have warned Sally about that. We just opened up buy me a coffee. Probably would have been more in her benefit, but it's okay, we'll take any support we can get. We do appreciate it. Thank you very much. That is awesome and it just goes to show what we're doing is working. But yeah to what Magdump said man, I think that speaks volumes to what we got going on here and the way that our community polices itself. In a way. I don't like using the word policing, but you guys do take care of each other in here and it's very cool.
Speaker 1:Kathy Belit. Oh, belv, I'm sorry it looked like a B I. It's B L L. She said I like cops. I just don't like the corrupt ones with the big ego. Yeah, and I'll be the first to tell you, being a cop is usually an alpha-style personality and ego comes with it. You do need ego to do the job, but you need to be aware of your ego. Magdum, don't be a Ladner, exactly so, okay, oops, I accidentally clicked another one. Um, let's, uh, let's, keep going with this. So you got fused here. Um, let's go to the next picture. Who's this guy?
Speaker 2:and that's the guy that shot me. Okay, and, and you know I'm going to tell you right now, I don't hate the dude, I really don't. We'll go into that in here in a little bit, though.
Speaker 1:And I'm already starting to tear up from that one comment you fucker, that's so fucking deep man. I hate you right now. Don't make me cry on this.
Speaker 2:Oh, don't be a puss man.
Speaker 1:I get so emotional and stuff like that. I had a guy on here that was convicted for like 56 years and he did deserve to go to jail for a little bit, but the guy that killed his family member advocated for his release and when he started telling the story about how he forgave that guy and he had shot him and in retaliation type thing, I like it. It gets me dude. So when you say that like it, just it's fucking hard. So sorry, keep going, bud, I'll be okay, but he's such an idiot I get I eat when I get.
Speaker 3:You're good man yeah hey, I'm gonna interrupt for a second man, just only because this picture is up and, like I said, I've known houston for a long time now and I consider him one of my best friends. I know we both take the shirt off our backs for each other and we have within our career dealing with the shit that we dealt with and we're not going to go into that because we'd need about 15 podcasts when Houston told me what he did after this is after some of the surgeries when he could actually get mobile, and then we can come back to this. But, houston, this is so important to the, to the public, in my opinion, of what occurred, why don't you tell everybody that's here watching or listening, wherever they're at tonight, what did you do after you healed some?
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2:Okay. So it was September 29th of 2016. The trial was going on at that point in time and it was the final day of the trial and judgment had been given to that man right there and, uh, I asked his attorney if I could have five minutes to speak with him. But that scared the shit out of her, uh, out of his attorney, man, I think she thought I was going to beat him, uh, limb from limb and rip his arms off, man. But quite the opposite.
Speaker 2:So, after the court proceedings that day and the courtroom had cleared out, we walked into a little room just outside of the court where we kind of had some privacy, but where they could still kind of keep eyes on everything, because there was three other cops in the courtroom that day and I promise you, they were not watching him, they were watching me, and I understand that, you know, because the natural side of things would lead you to think that my whole goal is revenge on this guy. Okay, well, god has a funny way of working. And uh, that day, uh, god told me man, it's done, it's over, let it go, there's nothing else for you to do here. So I walked into that room and, uh, I told Ryan hey, man, you know you. You really, you really ruined my life. You screwed up things for my family. You did all of these terrible things to me, man, but I forgive you and man you could have heard a pin drop 10 counties away.
Speaker 2:That's how silent things got. We sat there and we talked. My buddy that was with me, we even held hands and prayed. We even held hands and prayed and we prayed for him as he was beginning his prison sentence, in which he got 50 years. Like I said, man, whenever I tell you I don't hate the dude, I don't, I don't at all. Now, if he got out of prison, would we go eat dinner? Highly unlikely.
Speaker 2:But I didn't want to carry around the burden anymore of the hatred that I had and the things that I had felt for so long, for 18 or 20 months. At that point in time I wanted to be able to sleep at night without having nightmares or thinking about him. Man, I didn't want, I didn't, I didn't want to have that hate because it's it's draining. It may make you feel powerful for a little bit, but I promise you it eats your soul away to a point to where you just can't function as a human being anymore because you get so consumed with it. And it, dude, it's got such a heavy price to it. It's not, you can't afford it, you just can't.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And that's the biggest reason. I wanted to share that with you all. I've known this for years. And go to the end while I'm talking, Eric, if you want to go to the next picture. I wanted to share that with you all. I've known this for years.
Speaker 1:And while I'm talking, Eric, if you want to go to the next picture that he has in that? I don't know what he has in that role. I wanted to hit up Show Me Audits question here. We didn't really kind of discuss this yet, but he said, since I wasn't here, why the fuck did he shoot? Did you ever ask why he decided to shoot through the door?
Speaker 2:Well, okay. So the story on Ryan was he had spent for the last two, the two weeks prior man on a serious meth binge. Uh was three quarters of the way out of his mind and he was coming down. From what I understand, can I tell you why he shot? No, why didn't he just cooperate? I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a good question to ask there too. I mean, it could have saved everybody a lot of heartache.
Speaker 2:But you know, you know, for whatever reason it happened, um, you know, I I couldn't tell you why he shot, other than the fact, man, that he had uh, four cops in his house looking for him because of a crime that he had just committed by uh, uh domesticating with his uh, uh, his girlfriend, you know, uh, slapping her around and beating her, and girlfriend, you know, slapping her around and beating her. And you know all the things that had occurred the night before. Is, you know the reason why we were there in the first place? Because it was a dangerous situation. A guy that was high, had a gun, was willing to use it and was clearly dangerous. So, you know, ask yourself the same question, you know, why did he shoot? That's cool, but why didn't he just cooperate? I mean, it's a why that we will never know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mr Billfold sent five bucks in the super chat. Thank you very much, sir. And he said anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured, mark Twain.
Speaker 4:True, I think that is a very true comment. Very accurate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, let me get back to the pictures here. Uh, yeah, I mean, I I'm a. I am a very emotional creature, like I watched how to train your dragon last night the new one, by myself, because my wife and kids are still up in michigan. I called them and said, hey, I rented this movie on on prime, so if you guys want to watch it too, you can. Just so they knew it was available and I'm sitting there watching it and I'm tearing up at the good parts and I'm, like Jesus, such a wuss. So, geez man, everything gets me. But let me go back to sharing these pictures. Share, and let's go to the next one.
Speaker 2:Man, that's my favorite picture I ever took of me and my kids. That was four days after the fact. That was the first time, man, that they got to see their dad after the shooting. Really, yeah, my daughter was seven, my son in the orange was four and my son in the blue was three.
Speaker 1:How old are they now?
Speaker 2:18, 15, 14.
Speaker 1:Okay Now, have they reflected at all and talked to you what they remember back then?
Speaker 2:Yeah, have they reflected at all and talk to you what they remember back then Uh yeah, you know, my, my daughter Emma, especially because, well, she's got the greater memory of that because of what her age was at the time.
Speaker 2:Uh, the two boys they'll talk about. Man, whenever I had the uh, whenever I had the black face, and that's that's what they called it back then Um, you know it's uh, it was weird, man, because I've got this big tracheotomy coming out, I've got all these tubes coming in, and the only thing they wanted, man, was a big hug from their dad. I couldn't talk at that point in time, man, because my throat was so swollen around that tracheotomy and, with all the trauma that was there, all I could do was write things down. But, man, whenever they came in, you know for what little bit you can see a smile on my face, man, the pride and the joy that I felt at that moment in time. I'm going to tell you I don't think there's anything that can match that, man, because something about the beauty of a second chance that goes if you've never experienced that second chance in life, man, it's just simply amazing. Yeah, that's the only way I can put it.
Speaker 1:As a dad.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. I just think about my own kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know that that's a reality in this career, man. It's. It's a reality in in law enforcement or or any public service really. Well, I don't care if you're a fireman or a paramedic, I mean the, the, the reality is there that that shit like this could happen and it's going to hurt, and it's going to hurt your family, it's going to hurt your coworkers, but yet we still find a way to get out and go do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, andy Fletcher said, every time I hear Ray say hey, dad, I want to have a catch, lose it. And yeah, I, I can only imagine what goes through your head. You know. You know you've had time to adjust to it now. But, um, you know, for me it's a fresh story. So I hear it and I just I put myself.
Speaker 1:I'm a guy that I put myself in the shoes of everybody. I think that's why I like being a cop. I think it's what helps me be a successful cop, because I try to put myself in the shoes of everybody I'm dealing with. Hey, this is a suspect that I'm putting in cuffs. This is the worst day of his life. Yeah, he deserves it. He fucked up, but I try to put myself in those shoes to understand the behavior. He wasn't thinking about the consequences when he did the deed, but now he is. Now he's in cuffs, now he's running, now he's doing this stuff. He's doing that he doesn't know what to do. Like, try to put myself in those shoes. Don't get me wrong. If you do something that you're trying to harm me or somebody else, I'm still going to do my job. I have put the empathy there and the emotional intelligence side. I think that's what's helped me become a successful cop, so I I hope other officers that are listening and doing this like I hope you really see what Houston said here. He put himself into the shoes of the person to give forgiveness.
Speaker 1:I think that that's how I hear it. I'm not trying to speak for you, brother, but no. But it's true though. Yeah, and we know people that are addicted. That's why drug crimes really drive me up the wall. We need to be helping people that are addicted. Um, that's my opinion. Do drugs cause crime? Yeah, it's the, it's the addiction that causes the crime. Um, so I don't. What's the fix for that? I don't know, but cops often get caught in between an addiction issue, so, um, but I love this phone.
Speaker 1:I, I'm with you. This is definitely out of all the ones you shared. This is my favorite, especially hearing you talk about it afterwards. So, um, I'm hoping I can keep my shit together and talk through this. This is a hard one. I'm glad you're the one talking. Yeah, somebody said in the comments a little deep for what we normally do. It is, it is deep. I guess I underestimated how this was going to be, so we're going to keep going with it. Damn it. This is going to be. We're going to keep going with it. Damn it. This is going to make me cry too.
Speaker 2:That was so. The police chief at the department at the hospital that I was at, his department did a fantastic job and I'll I'll just say their name, man, I'm not scared to say it. Um, it was Lubbock police department. Uh, they do. They came in and they took care of my family so well.
Speaker 2:And I had actually asked to speak with uh chief Stevens at the time and he's now the director of T Cole and he's a fantastic human being. I love the dude, I really do. I asked him. I said, man, I asked to see him, man, because I really just wanted to shake his hand and thank him for everything that his department had done. And I asked him, I said, is there a way that I can thank your community or thank your officers or whatever? And, uh, boy, howdy man, he got, he got the news there, man, I bet there was, I bet there was five, six different news stations in that room right there.
Speaker 2:And, uh, that was really one of the first times that, uh, I was wearing the big diaper on my face and everything, because everything had everything had started coming apart and debriding. So it was really ugly at that point in time, man. But you know it. That picture just says so much. Right there, you know, because there was so much going on, I was hurting, physically, psychologically. My wife was hurting, her heart was just absolutely broken because of everything that was going on. But yet she, she looked at me with this great look of strength. She looked at me with this great look of strength and, uh, I will, I. I just like I said, man, I love my wife so damn much.
Speaker 1:I can't even, can't even just tell you, how much I do uh and uh.
Speaker 2:You know she's.
Speaker 1:She's been to hell and back with me um, a couple comments I wanted to uh get to first and foremost. Uh, ariel boom, thank you very much. Donated in the super chat $10. He said, as a 10-year-old kid I saw my dad connected to a ventilator and all those machines keeping him alive and yet it's still traumatized to see a parent in that state. So something to consider, because that's how that affected him. And then Aereo actually jumped on our live chat last night and the discord, so appreciate that. And then Mike said we need more help for those on drugs. Cops and then you're just a judicial system shouldn't be used to help those addicted. I agree, I agree. I hate that cops are used as a pawn for people that are addicted. I wish we could help out more.
Speaker 1:Oh 100%, because then guys like Houston end up becoming victim to people not acting within their right mind and obviously that's kind of the conclusion that we've come to with this is that the guy was, you know, when you talk to him at Houston. I'm just curious when you talk to him, was it a totally different type of person than what you knew? Because I doubt you talked to him a whole lot when you were on the scene because you were probably getting medical attention, but the person you were dealing with before versus the person you were dealing with after, was that a totally different experience?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And it was, uh, absolutely uh, since, uh, sincere thing, and they're, they're really there. He, uh, he apologized too, and of course I mean mean, it's one of those things I mean, you can always tell if somebody is being sincere or not. And he genuinely was man. He had clear eyes, he didn't look like that same person right there. You know, that same day, man, that I got shot, the SWAT team showed up and whenever he came out, he still had the weapon in his hand and they shot him too.
Speaker 2:Ok, but he survived and I will tell you this OK, I survived because I have a purpose in life. He survived because he still has a purpose in life. Man, we will not see our last breath as long as we have purpose. And that's what's so fascinating about being a cop man is, despite whatever their situation is going on, you always get a chance to speak, something that might get them to see their purpose. And you know, unfortunately, I mean, until people see their purpose, they're not. They're not going to give up their lifestyle, but nonetheless, you still get to speak into it every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in some form or another.
Speaker 1:Eye of the Night always has good comments on here and stuff too. He said for my military days I can say with certainty that I have had the support of a loyal spouse, can pull you out of some dark places or even keep you from getting there, and I think that is key to having a good relationship. Ryan Holsinger said this guy is a great guest. Appreciate that. We agree he is a great guest. So let me get back to these pictures here. Share screen. Let's go to the next one. Another one of you in the wifey.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:With your face diaper. I like the wifey, oh yeah With your face diaper.
Speaker 2:I like that. Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:This is probably when she loved you the most. She got to love you, probably. But you not talk. Okay, it looks like you're on the road to healing here.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I had my boys.
Speaker 2:I got to go read a book to them in their pre-K class. Oh, okay. That was just fantastic man that I got to go do that.
Speaker 1:Nice, very cool, I like that. Let me get to the next picture. Sorry, I just put an ice cube in my drink. All right, that doesn't look bad.
Speaker 2:No, that was after one of my neck surgeries and stuff, where they went in and put the cage on the front side from what they did on the back side.
Speaker 3:And that's a reverse image. If people want to know the way the light's hitting, it's a reverse image, the way y'all are used to. So if you look on the left side over here, you can see that scar. That's usually on the other what we're looking at. It's normal to Houston to see his face know where it's at, but that's a. That's a reverse image. Okay, oh by the way, brother, we're we a?
Speaker 1:trach too.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Triplets yes.
Speaker 1:Trach trifecta. It is the trach that binds us.
Speaker 3:It's like Lord of the Rings, lord of the Trachs what are the odds of that, all three of us have a picture of being outside of a military hospital, popping your trach thing out and smoking a cigar through it, just to see, I do not.
Speaker 1:I don't even remember I did. Mine was when I was a baby, so, uh, that is fucking funny. What are the odds? That is weird. That is a weird coincidence the traits. A trick now I gotta ask everybody else on the two-cop one-gonad panel. I got to ask the rest of the guys Deadleg, have you got a trick? What the hell's everybody got? Alan, you got a trick. That's weird. All right, let's hear this one, houston.
Speaker 2:Man, that right there was a group of people from my town that they gathered up at the steps of city hall and not just praying for me, but praying for, praying for our department, praying for the things that were going on, and it was. It was a pretty terrible time there at that point, but, man, I tell you what the the people, the people came together for me in such a way that, uh, I will never truly be able to thank every one of them for all that they did for for my, for me, my family, uh, my kids, uh, just just the general support from our community was simply amazing.
Speaker 1:Jeez, I'm reading one of our newer members here, sally. She said I worked corrections and my husband was a police sergeant in New Jersey for 33 years. He was a fatal accident investigator. He passed away five years ago 9-11 related cancer.
Speaker 2:I'm so sorry to hear that.
Speaker 1:Sorry to hear that. Thank you for his service. Much respect, I could never, ever do what he did.
Speaker 3:And thank you for yours as well, seller, thank you for yours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Very cool. I really like this is one of the things I like. Hearing Mike jumping on here, mike Cucumber, and saying I'm really liking this YouTube channel, like that means a lot, because I, you know, you get a tone from people through text. It's hard to tell, but, mike, my, my initial tone with you is that you, you want a lot of accountability with police.
Speaker 1:And then to come to our channel, which is all cops trying to copsplain shit, um, you know. And then I don't know if this is your first time on here, I think I actually seen you on here one other time but, um, you know, here we're, we're telling a glory story about a cop, you know, and we're not trying to be. Woe is cops and we're all heroes. We're not. But this guy is, he's going to tell you he's not. He's going to shake his head, but he is. And uh, this is the type of stories we want to tell. And then we'll get into afterwards how the department treated him and what all his stuff was when he went through that. So let's go to the next picture Now. This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that was a fantastic day. I got to throw the first pitch out whenever the Rangers were playing the Cleveland. What was then? The Indians, before they ruined things.
Speaker 1:Got all DEI'd. Yeah Right, that was an amazing day. All right, there he is. I hope you didn't throw like a girl. I would have made fun of you.
Speaker 2:Hey man, I threw a strike straight from the top of the plate.
Speaker 1:Nice. Okay, be honest, how much did you practice?
Speaker 2:A lot.
Speaker 3:I didn't want to look like a fool in front of everybody.
Speaker 1:Okay, so how much notice did you have? How long did you know?
Speaker 2:I had about three weeks worth of notice.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's plenty of time to get them strikes down, baby Plenty of time man, maria Alvarado from Peace Officer Angel Foundation.
Speaker 2:Uh, she's the one that set that up and uh, you know, as far as the in in all of Texas, the POAF is the gold standard as far as what they do to bring wounded together and help them have a true acceptance and a voice, and I absolutely love them for what they do.
Speaker 1:I like it. Marine Bloods, if you're listening, I am updating our Discord channel which, by the way, if you guys are not on our Discord channel, please do so. We are migrating as much stuff to our Discord as we can to consolidate our community. But MarineBloods has been blessed as an admin and I am now telling him that I want him to also choose mods if he thinks somebody should be a mod. So you have been blessed to choose mods, Because I don't know shit about running a Discord and if somebody tells me they know what they're doing, I'm not going to be able to vet them. I don't know who knows what they're doing. So, MarinesBlood, if you can figure out who knows what they're doing or if they're just talking shit, I'll give that to you.
Speaker 1:Eye of the Night said as much shit as I give Eric and Banning Eric for being chairperson, banning for having shit internet. I absolutely respect their intent, respect their intentions towards accountability and reasonability to the conversation. Thank you very much, Um and I. I think that's what our channel has been known for, Um, we just had Matt on a one of our guys, Matt Thornton. He was on another podcast and the host of that podcast gave our channel a lot of credit because they look at us as the reasonable channel. That's a very good compliment. So I like knowing that we're the balanced channel. That's what he kept saying. He's like it's just very balanced, Um. So I like that. That's what we're known as, Cause that's really what I was going for. So let's go to the next picture here. Yeah, I, I needed some explanation on this one. You didn't tell me what this was, and uh, just curious.
Speaker 2:My wife. My wife just snapped that picture because, uh, uh, that was probably one of the first times I was actually telling people some of the things that I had gone through and kind of given given an accounting of of everything that had taken place. You know, over the first I want to say that was about a year and a half afterwards. Okay, I don't even think I had a tooth one in my head yet either.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Dang a year and a half. Yeah, that's a humbling experience right there and okay. So this photograph right here man is two ginormously awesome men. The guy on the far right is Rick Pearson and Rick has always been kind of my mentor, my spiritual leader, my spiritual father, if you will. Man and me and him are just man super tight and I love that man with all my heart.
Speaker 2:And the man in the middle is Adam Davis, and Adam Davis is a former cop that has faced, as he was growing up and his time as a cop, his suicidal ideations and things like that, and me and him became friends and he made me chapter 10 of his book Unconquered and he made me chapter 10 of his book Unconquered and it's titled the title of the chapter is An Uncommon Resolve Because, well, I don't know, I guess I was just a knucklehead and wanted to go back to work and wanted to keep pushing and showing people that you could keep going through it.
Speaker 2:And Adam helped me tell a little bit about that story and Rick Rick's really helped me survive over the years, man, from going through a divorce to getting shot, to damn near getting divorced again, man, you know, with my current wife, man, because I mean things got hard and he was always there and it was always a judgment current wife man. Because, I mean, things got hard and he was always there and was uh, it was always a judgment free zone man and he was always full of love and I will never forget it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, that's part of the thing that a lot of people don't get to hear the story of the fallout of a traumatic incident like that. They they understand that you yourself have a lot to go through as far as recovery physically and then mentally. You know, um, I like to attribute like. One of the ways I like to kind of give an analogy is like when I played baseball. I played a lot of baseball more than most kids and um, I got hit in the face baseball more than most kids and um, I got hit in the face, straight in the jaw.
Speaker 1:I was afraid for like a year, if not longer. There was a lot of uh fear there, um, and I started to hate baseball because I was missing out on. You know, there's two parts. I loved, I loved to pitch, but I loved batting and I was good at it and then all of a sudden I wasn't anymore and I almost quit the sport because of that and I had to fight through it and I didn't know how to fight through that I didn't know what was going through my head.
Speaker 1:But with you, you've got to deal with the demons of what happened and all the shit that goes through the recovery time. Am I ever going to be the same? You're not wearing the uniform anymore.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:And only as of what Two months ago, a month and a half ago.
Speaker 2:End of April, april 30th in fact was my last day as a cop.
Speaker 1:So in that, in your recovery time and you're not wearing the uniform anymore, a lot of cops it's their identity, that's how they identify themselves. And if you didn't play that game before becoming a cop or while you're being a cop, like, hey, is this who I am, or is this something I do? And having that discussion with yourself who I am, or is this something I do? And having that discussion with yourself? Because I will tell you my first five years I would have told you I wouldn't have known the difference. But what are you talking about? I'm a cop, that's what I am.
Speaker 2:But now how many times, man, do you walk into a room and you get introduced by a friend, to somebody you've never met, and they say hey, this, this is Benninger, Eric the cop. It's kind of like this too, man. Uh, you know, bring in a friend and he just so happens to be a preacher. You tell him hey, yeah, uh, it's, uh, it's, it's Rick the preacher, because that's who we are to them, man, that's what people see us as man. You know they don't understand that. We're not a robot.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:But you know.
Speaker 1:So what I've learned? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, what I've learned when people introduce you that way? If you've ever noticed, anytime somebody introduces you as a cop, look where their eyes go. They instantly go down towards where your gun would be. Yeah, so when somebody introduces me as a cop, before they get a chance to even look down and go hey, my eyes are up here. Yep, it just messes with their mind. They're like what do you mean?
Speaker 3:when somebody introduces you as a cop, you say say hey my eyes are up here and it's like clockwork man every freaking time. Yep every time, so it's just one of those funny weird, and then you just take a whole bunch of socks. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:They call me Mike Honcho. Oh shit, okay, all right. Oh shit, uh, okay, all right, let's, uh, let's keep moving here. Is there more pictures? Oh yeah, yeah, here's um, this is uh the one I wanted to end on, because I think this is a powerful picture that's a fucking survivor that is.
Speaker 4:That's a fucking game.
Speaker 2:That picture was taken at the graffiti wall in St Louis. What's the graffiti wall? It's just man. Okay, so let me tell you what was going on that day, I was there with a group called Humanizing the Badge oh yeah, Um, and which I'm good friends with all of those guys, and that picture was actually a steel shot that they took from a video they were making from my boy forensic. Uh, that was uh filming a rap video that I got to be, uh, got to be part of and uh, uh, fantastic guy, fantastic music. And a fantastic guy, Fantastic music. He's super talented and he's a cop, too, over in Southern California and just a fantastic person.
Speaker 1:Yep Eric Penry said Houston was always there for me for many years. I consider one of the closest friends. He and Banning are some great guys.
Speaker 2:He's not bad.
Speaker 3:He abandoned us man, he took off.
Speaker 2:Oh no, ohio, ohio, ohio Ohio, good dude man, Good dude, no super great dude man, good dude, no, super great guy, man Been a good friend of mine for years.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, so we got through the pictures.
Speaker 3:I got one story to add on these pictures because we just watched a whole bunch of holy shit. A dude lived through this and I'm man enough to say that I feel short when I stand next to Houston, because he's gone through some shit that I've never nor want to go through and survived it and has taught me to be a man on several levels just from his experience. But what I'm going to say, I believe, is funny, and if the crowd doesn't think it's funny, sorry, but Houston and I in our law enforcement careers, and I'm going to say at the end game, in our last six or seven years, we were given several recruits and these are new guys out of the academy, aging from 21 to 40, just as an example, and they've changed their career, or it's new in their career and I'm either first phase or the first time with them, or Houston is and we're passing these young bucks back and forth for different phases and debriefing with each other, away from the recruit to find out what they need to learn, and we can cover et cetera to help along and make them the best that we can do before we cut them loose. But the first time I got to hear this was from one of the recruits. I'm not going to say his name. He's a great guy, but I'm not going to say his name.
Speaker 3:We were riding around in the morning up here in the Jack County, jacksboro area, and he goes sir, can I ask you what you eat for breakfast? And I'm not a breakfast person, I am not a morning person. I've been on midnights my whole career. So when they flip-flop me back to mornings, I'm one of those guys where I'm looking for my five-hour energy. I'm trying to smile. I've got to do that until I wake up. I do my best, but I'm, I'm a night person. And uh, this young guy asked me you know, what do you eat for breakfast? And I'm thinking dude, I haven't, I haven't had. I'm still trying to wake up. I'm an old man, I'm stretching my back, I'm in this small Tahoe and yes, tahoe's are small to me and and frigging, what do I eat for breakfast?
Speaker 1:and he's like well, you know, phase one, I went through with houston and I heard a couple times stop you bitching.
Speaker 3:I eat shotguns for breakfast. How do you fight that? I mean holy shit. Uh, the the dude's a legend that houston will never tell you. I mean, houston, he's like I'm just a normal dude and I, freaking caught around, I survived it. I'm here for a reason. Uh, story over, I've got to tell him no, let's dig deeper, let's look at this, let's look at this.
Speaker 3:Houston doesn't look at himself as that. So I constantly have to raise that, raise that flag for the people that we meet to get a kick out of it. I mean, the dude can sit there, go through 20 plus surgeries, put, put the uniform on again, come back to serve the public, and one of those members out of all the public so let me explain this One member of the entire public did damage to Houston. That doesn't mean the entire public did damage to Houston, it was one. So we don't sit there and look at the entire public as being damaging. And so when he instills that into new recruits, they inquire what happened.
Speaker 3:Oh, the scar, you know, and it helps build them and understands that there are dangers out there. But we treat everybody with respect. And this man you know I met him later in my career, but I wish I could have met him earlier on and I know it would have changed me as a rookie. So thank you for listening to that, but Houston Gas is a badass and thank you for being here tonight, brother. Absolutely, I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1:I'll read it, since Banny didn't see the message. I was trying to tell you to read Magdum's comment, since you were on a roll, but Mag Acorn said okay, that's it. Houston just got elevated to legend status, I think we should get him a. T-shirt that says that what was it Shotgun blast for?
Speaker 3:breakfast. I eat shotgun shells for breakfast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3:And it's true, man, there's so many things in life that we bitch about in life. And look what this dude went through and he's still doing it. You know, he took a demotion from chief to sergeant to come to a different city to appease what I'm telling him, this is a great city Brought his whole family down here, lower pay sergeant level and wanted to raise up the community standards in law enforcement. And he did it and the dude's been shot in the face. And it's funny is we can go to a priority one call and it can be all hell break loose. You know, houston I don't talk about this much around Houston but we worked at the county for a while and I had just got off.
Speaker 3:We had this weird swing shift and I was the patrol supervisor. Houston was done. Houston's like. I've been chief, I've been sergeant, I've done all this shit. I don't give a flying F about it anymore. I'll come in as a deputy. I'll come in and work and do my job 100% and go home every day and be happy. A lot of guys and gals can't do that in this profession military or police they look at it as a demotion. But it's not. You're still serving the public and it was never a demotion in his thing. So I released the reins to him.
Speaker 3:I'm tired. He's tired from just waking up. It's the middle of the night and he's starting his. I think it was midnight. He's starting his ship while I'm going home and I go home and I'm, I'm my family's asleep, his family's asleep.
Speaker 3:When he came to work and I literally just took everything off and I sat in my lazy bed. It's going to be one of those. I'm going to watch some funny videos before I go to bed and frigging dispatch calls me. When dispatch called me, she's losing it, meaning the dispatcher she's trying to keep it together, saying Houston needs help. And I'm thinking shit, this dude already went through shit back in 20. What in the holy hell could he cause? Houston doesn't call for backup. He's like me. You know, when we're out there we deal with the shit, we ride it up at the end we go home at the end of the night and he wasn't yelling on the radio I need backup. He was stating the obvious of what's going on in front of him and just to not give away all the details of the call because in hindsight it happened. But he went to a call. A lady said there's a rancher shooting late at night and it's Texas. It's not illegal for you to shoot on your property at night, especially if you're getting rid of a varmint. Houston said you know what. It's not really illegal but to appease you, I can go request and talk to him and ask him to pipe it down for the evening and maybe start again tomorrow.
Speaker 3:Once the sun comes up he goes up the driveway, gets up there, leaves a little red and blue lights on, steady on his car to let them know it's law enforcement pulling up and he's just going to ask do you guys mind holding off these loud shots? Because your neighbor, just a couple acres over um, is trying to put kids to sleep etc. And for whatever reason, that homeowner opened that door. I've got the freaking video to prove it. He opens the door and puts a glock right in houston's face at about seven meters. If I were to guess, um, and and you got to think about it houston had already taken one and houston did the right thing. Houston does a little shimmy to the left, get some cover and when you have weird lights, it's in the middle of nowhere. You're going to have depth perception issues. It's. It's a known fact.
Speaker 3:And the way he came down, I believe, was on his left knee. He did some major damage and and it's very painful, and he got on the radio and let and I'm surprised, where he was at that the radio even went through because it's a dead spot, and so God was behind that. He got on the radio and said this is what's going on. Yada, yada, yada had a raised voice because he just he didn't give a shit about the dude with the gun. He can handle that, he's got a covered position, he's going through it. But he hurt his. He freaking shattered his knee. As far as I, if I remember, I did some damage to it, man, uh, internal damage, and he gets on the radio.
Speaker 3:So the dispatcher calls me. Keep in mind, I'm sitting there in boxers and my lazy boy relaxing. I got a dispatcher fired up. Hey, what's you know? So I dress. I told her notified chain of command. I'm running the sheriff's office or my sheriff's, tahoe or whatever I was driving.
Speaker 3:Explorer at the time was sitting in my driveway. So you go and you're literally hitting your lights from your driveway. We're in a almost a thousand square mile County and I'm what they call balls to the walls. There's no traffic out that late at night. You get to Houston because I don't know all the details. By the time I get there he's got himself back in his car. He's already had a come to Jesus meeting with the owner. They're fine. There's no frigging offense. It was the castle doctrine. He didn't know the law enforcement was there. The only thing they didn't do is cook ribs together and have a cold beer. Houston got in the car I'm on the phone with our sheriff or whatever at the time and Houston comes down and he's like well, man, it's kind of messed up. And I look in there and it looks like a basketball is attached to his left leg.
Speaker 3:And he's like I'm going to take some oxygen, man, and we'll be good and I can stay and I'm like no hell, no, we're going to the hospital, we're going to do. And I followed him up to the hospital and he didn't even know it was messed up, but the dude was there for the fight, even after what he went through in 2015. And the resiliency that this frigging salty ass bastard I want to call my best friend goes through and uh keeps, keeps taking the licks, man, it keeps going. So I'll shut the hell up no-transcript was a really good one.
Speaker 1:He said the story here is not the damage Houston suffered. I think it's his refusal to be a victim of it and putting his survival to use to his family and community. I think that is a strong statement, sir, and I think it's a very accurate statement. And I think it's a very accurate statement. On top of that, holy shit, having a gun pointed at you again had to open up some wounds, but you were looking around for cameras and wondering what porn that I'm about to participate in, because you guys names do not sound real. And to have you two combined out there running around, I'd be like what type of porno is this man before? Before we know it, our freaking only fans is going to?
Speaker 3:come out and around. I'd be like what type of porno is this man? Before we know it, our freaking OnlyFans is going to come out and they're going to pay me to keep my clothes on.
Speaker 1:I'm going to call it Banning Gas. It's going to be a whole play on saving the environment.
Speaker 2:There we go there, we go, there, we go.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, Global warming is happening.
Speaker 3:Call Ben and gas and I don't want to. You know what we're doing here. This is for y'all. I've heard Houston's story ever since I met him and I share the work of what Houston has gone through to everybody I meet, and if I do it in front of Houston, the dude's just kind of like they don't need to hear it. No, they do need to hear it. You're freaking here in the flesh. You're in front of us. They need to hear it. He doesn't like the accolades that come with that. He doesn't like the, because he is a true hero, and so that's another reason why I love the dude. And I'm not trying to shorten up the story, but I know Houston's got a pretty hard stop at 10. Houston is finally I probably think for the first in years going on a vacation tomorrow morning and I think they're leaving about four o'clock, five o'clock in the morning, and he's finally going to take his family out and go relax. I know he'll probably stay a little later, but my whole thing is Houston has watched several times when he's had times. I want Houston to be able to break down a video, like Eric and I and the team do. I want the public to hear how Houston breaks down a video.
Speaker 3:I have leaned on Houston at times as his supervisor, at times of he being my supervisor. The buck goes back and forth and we lean on each other for the knowledge that we've had in law enforcement and I respect his decision on everything. I've never seen the dude do something that was questionable in law enforcement and you don't get that. People make mistakes. I'm sure I've made hundreds of mistakes in law enforcement and you learn from enforcement and you don't get that you. People make mistakes. I'm sure I've made hundreds of mistakes in law enforcement and you learn from those and you go on. And then you make sure, whoever you're around, if they're making the, that they don't make those freaking mistakes. Um, this, this, this type of episode pipes me up, man, and it makes me super excited to get this knowledge out to people yep, I, like patrick too, loves comment.
Speaker 1:He said only beards.
Speaker 1:That's gonna be yes yeah and then, uh, keto 50 jumped on. He said good evening, beard club member here, country girl, stop stop discriminating against naked faces. Oh man, keto, the legend in himself. I'm glad he jumped out. We got to get him on an episode. We, keto and I, talked about it a long time ago and then we tried to make an episode happen and he was out camping doing his thing and he just didn't have good enough service and we just never connected again. It just one of those things. So he keeps jumping on and talking on here. So I definitely want to get him on here. I know he's listening right now and I know he's game, so we've got to get him on here. I think he can help out a lot of officers.
Speaker 3:A lot of people in the comments really want to know and I did not discuss it with Houston before Eric, I don't know if you did or not Like Mr Belfort's curious. And Houston, this is your show, so you don't have to bring it. You can say I don't want to talk about that and that's fine. Or you can say I'll talk about this and this, but if you do, you want to share on what goes on within a city to a certain extent, on what goes on to an officer that gets hurt. It doesn't happen at every agency, because there's a lot of agencies out there that absolutely a hundred percent take care of you. Oh yeah, god.
Speaker 1:I glossed right over that, didn't I Shit?
Speaker 4:I admit.
Speaker 1:There's agent.
Speaker 2:There's agencies that have it right. There's agencies that will never get it right. Whenever I say that, I hope and pray that my agency that I was with, if it ever does happen again, will correct their mistakes from the past. You don't want to go in and treat your injured as if they are nothing but a liability. You want to make sure that they know that they are still valued. You know, dude, if you're a chief right now and you're sitting there and you've got a lobster injured by God, go check on them, call their family, do those things, man, and don't turn them into a burden, if you will, because that's kind of what happened with my department.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to go into any specific details or anything like that, because it just doesn't matter, but I'll just say this Okay, being being injured is a really hard job. Okay, it really is, because you're having to look at a whole new normal and whenever you're having to go through all that and then figure out that all of a sudden, maybe your department doesn't have your back as much as you thought, you really start to question that thin blue line and the brotherhood there. And it's certainly stronger in some places than it is in others, uh, and it's certainly stronger in some places than it is in others. Um, I could probably give you a hundred theories as to why I think it happened, but that doesn't matter either, because the simple fact of the matter is it happened and, uh, you know, it kind of just is what it is now.
Speaker 2:At this point in time, the chief that shot me, man, I've forgiven the department and the guys that were there that uh weren't there in the time whenever I needed them the most, and, uh, you know what. It's not acceptable. It's not okay, um, but you have to go on. You have to move on and just take this for for what it is Anybody out there that's running a department check on your people.
Speaker 2:Love on your people. Show them, man, that they are worth something to you and that just because they take a bullet doesn't mean that they're not valuable anymore to you, because that's when they should be that much more valuable, because, by god, they survived, and, uh, that's important.
Speaker 1:Check on your people careful prove it, houston, something, let me. Let me get more specific. You go, you going through your stuff. I'm, I'm the chief. What could I have said specifically to you? What could I have done specifically for you?
Speaker 2:oh, that's man, that's really. You didn't have, you wouldn't have to say anything per se, okay, especially if you've never been in that situation, but be in there to check on, check on you. Hey, man, I hadn't talked to you this week, man, I just want to, just want to see how you're doing anything you need and you know chances are man? We're going to tell you?
Speaker 2:no man, we're good, you know it's 100% the thought that counts, it's a hundred percent, the thought that counts, man, uh, you know, check on his family, check on his wife, you know. Do do those little things and understand this man. If there's any one thing that I understand, is that life goes on and the world doesn't quit moving. Just because, uh, of your and because of your situation, no matter what it is, just be present. Just don't be a douchebag man, you know. Just call, just check, show up every now and then at their house or something, man, you know, uh, it doesn't take a lot, man, I'm a pretty simple guy, just just be there, you know, uh, don't demand of one person what you wouldn't give to another.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. Yeah, I'm just curious. I think that that's, uh, that's important to cause. It's going to be different for everybody. You know, if I get shot, what I need isn't going to necessarily be the same things as what you needed.
Speaker 2:Well, exactly, and, and you know, I know guys that have been uh, injured in so many different ways, and I've heard stories of how departments have absolutely just crapped all over them.
Speaker 2:But then I've also heard stories of where departments absolutely got things right. The people were still checking on them, they actually cared, and it's fantastic whenever I hear those stories and I get to see the good side of things. Man and now I think one of my things is whenever I do talk to departments and stuff. Man, that is one of the things that I talked to the admins about.
Speaker 2:Man is walking with your wounded in the right way, you know be, present, be there, don't you know, whenever they start talking about what their mental health is going through, man? Because I'm going to shoot you straight, dude. There were plenty of times, man, where I could picture my own death scene, because I just didn't, I didn't want to go through it, no more. Okay, I mean, that's just the way it is. It's hard, and whenever you know the other people behind you that you fought with, bled with and did all kinds of things for abandon you, it makes it that much tougher, abandon you, it makes it that much tougher. Okay, so, just like I said, man, just just be a friend. At that point in time, man, don't be a boss, be a friend. Don't don't be a supervisor, be a friend, because that's exactly what they need at that point in time.
Speaker 3:I like it, Bannon you got anything to add on that? No man, I'm just in awe. He's finally on our show and people get to hear more of an audience gets to hear this, and when I say more of an audience, we have a melting pot. Here, eric, we have everybody. We've got people that support law enforcement actions, we've got people that don't. We've got people on the fence, and this platform is for everybody and for you guys to hear one of my best friends telling his story, which I only get to tell in a bar whenever we're lucky enough to actually have time together.
Speaker 3:In the past five years, it may have been a total of four nights for uh, for us to be able to get together and break bread and do different things, and and our, our families are so compatible, uh, but what? Because of our schedules and because of us both being supervisors, being split up between the weeks, um, we got to high five each other in the hallway, kind of like new parents do, uh that are in first responders and nurses and whatever, and and they're, they're taking care of their young. That's what, you know, Houston and I had to do to take care of the departments that we worked for, so now we have a little bit more time with the things that we do in the tech industry with.
Speaker 3:Houston. We have code through technology, maybe with Mark 43. We're both going out there for the same thing and now we're serving those departments that are serving the communities, and that's a no better feeling.
Speaker 2:Oh, a hundred percent yeah.
Speaker 1:I like it. I like this name. I'm just going to pop it out there. Joke's funny. Help others out. I like it. Shout out to you, brother, I haven't seen you on here before so I figured I would. I need you all in the chat to convince my mom to get on Discord. She's having trouble with DuckDuckGo. If anybody can walk her through, it would be she's having trouble with what she uses DuckDuckGo for her internet browser.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, instead of like Google or something like that or Chrome, I should say I got you. Yeah, let's see here, rob said. I think sometimes people are afraid to reach out, they're afraid to say the wrong thing or they're afraid to cause you to relive the traumatic shit you went through, not saying it's right.
Speaker 2:Okay, I want to say something to this. Okay, so there was, I was actually in the hospital and, just you know, pretty fresh still just a few days in, I did something to piss off my wife. I don't know what I did, probably snapping my fingers or something, man who knows man. And she was getting mad at me and I looked at her what are you going to do, shoot me. And I wrote that up on that deal and I showed that to her and holy.
Speaker 2:God, you know, that's just it. I mean, it's just one of those things, man Just be cool with us, man, and we'll be cool back, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it just kind of is what it is. I got one more to share Houston and I'm sure once I get a quarter way through it you're going to remember. So I used to live in this little tiny rent house in this city and I'm used to the big Metroplex and I come up here and things are just different. Things are older, things are. You know, you're going back into where you know we're circa 1985 here, where we live at, in reference to building construction et cetera, for the stuff being new.
Speaker 3:The new addition was what Back in the 80s, right when the houses are at. So I lived in the old addition, very small house. It was a one owner home. The investor bought it and I'm the first renter and Jamie Shelby and I and my oldest son, we had gotten settled in in this house and Houston comes by and I go by his house and we were sharing data from both of us being sergeants and it was great.
Speaker 3:You know, sometimes Houston would throw a text about to stop by. Sometimes Houston just stopped by and we love it. You know it's fricking, houston, but every time he came by I thought the feds were kicking in the door and uh, you know, because it was such a small house. You know he bang on the front door and the back door is shaking, you know, and that's just used to knock and that's the way he does. And, uh, you know there's a couple of factures in that door over there on South second street, um. But he came over and he knocked on the door and we're going through whatever stress of life of moving and getting settled in, the normal shit that everybody goes through and my wife being a dispatcher, being well knitted within the community and and handling calls like we do and doing the audible side of it. She answers the door, sees it's my, my brother, from another mother there and says Houston, you almost got yourself shot. Why the hell you got to knock so damn loud?
Speaker 3:And then it dawned in her head she's being funny, we're always all funny to each other and my, my, my wife is just like Houston's wife. I mean, they're, they're amazing women. They keep our shit together. I'd probably be in a cardboard box living if it wasn't for her. And she said that to Houston and just to hear Houston go, ah, starts laughing. It doesn't offend him. And then, jamie, it triggered in her head she's like I'm so sorry. Houston's like I don't give a shit what you say to me. I need to talk to Manny. You life goes on, you know, and that's why the funny you know, it's a funny thing about saying the dude eats shotguns for breakfast. People make stupid comments, man, you almost got yourself shot and then you see their brain go. I just, oh shit, he actually's been shot and anyway, man, it's. I fucking love him, love him to death well, I've got, I got a similar story.
Speaker 1:That is great. Okay, now you guys know I work at a big place, but where I work there is, um, there's people that are in charge of going around making sure like all the fire hydrants, aeds, all that stuff are where they're supposed to be, they're supposed to be updated and all that stuff right, um, we've got the city employee. Who's he's? He's been around for a long time. Everybody that that's been around him knows him type thing. He has a deformity where he has no hands. He's got these little stumps with on a couple sides he's got maybe a couple look like they're supposed to be fingers. Houston is definitely not used to being on a live because he is hitting his desk. He's cracking his fucking knuckles into the microphone. Oh, yeah, oh man.
Speaker 3:He's like what are you gonna fucking shoot me, jesus?
Speaker 1:anyway. Um. So anyway, this guy, uh, he's being taken around through the academy instructors area and he's being introduced by my boss. He's like hey guys, this is such and such. He's around, he's doing this stuff and whatnot. So it's me and two other instructors just happened to be at our desk and you know, oh, cool, nice to meet you. Yeah, if we need anything, my buddy, I'm going to call his first name out just because we tell this story around him all the time. His name is George. George decides to throw in a last-minute comment as they're walking away. Hey, let us know. And he does this with everybody. So this is not like him being funny, it's him being genuine. Hey, if you need a hand with anything, let us know. A man doesn't have.
Speaker 4:I'm like.
Speaker 1:I'm like, like face is just like. I'm like, oh my god, I look over at the female instructors with me, sarah, and we're just looking at each other waiting for them to walk away. And as they walk away, I'm like you're a fucking asshole. Like as soon as they walk out the door and he's like what I was like let me know if you need a hand. And I do this like cause he had my hand and he goes and he's like should I go with an apology? Like he was instantly, should I go apologize? I was like, no, you're fucked, like boss is going to have your ass and the boss comes back later. That guy had told our boss he's like I was gonna fuck with him and say, yeah, I need two. He's like, but I didn't know if he would get the humor like he was looking out for the us. It was so funny, one of the best moments of my life and I, every time I see george, just about I bring that up like we've never and this was years ago we never let him live that shit down. So so funny. Somebody, who's going, who's leaving? Mama G she said it's my bedtime. She's out of here. Mama G, I'll be watching. Let me see here. Somebody said joke's funny.
Speaker 1:Levine, do you do security in the Air Force? I'm going to be a security guard and I want to know, know. What is the difference? Yes, I am security forces in the Air Force out of the 802nd down at Lackland Very great unit. Shout out to those guys. They do a lot of great work. So the difference between being a security guard out in the public versus being security forces in the Air Force security forces has LE powers. You have the rest authority, so a security guard does not. A security guard is observe and report, and so that's the biggest difference really. A security forces or military police have the ability to arrest and then a security guard is observe and report. So do you got anything to add to that guys? I don't. It's really the biggest step for me.
Speaker 1:So all right, because you still have to do reports and stuff like that. So no, knock on security guards guys. Security guards, that's a good stepping stone if you want to get into police work Because you do. It's like being a loss prevention officer. Loss prevention guys. When they come into police work, their report writing ability is spot on. They're way ahead of the curve.
Speaker 3:They're already able to articulate six steps of leaving a frigging store. Yada, yada, yada. I've done it for a while before I got into law enforcement as well. And yeah, absolutely, their report writing skills are tremendously well, absolutely.
Speaker 1:They report writing skills tremendously well.
Speaker 4:I, the Knight, said how many people have you used shooting your mouth off turn of phrase before they realize what they've done?
Speaker 3:I never thought of it like that. I like that. I like that. That's cool. I could just see, you know, jokes aside, I could see Houston you know Jess walking into that recovery room from being in ICU to going to standard surgery, recovery and all the shit that Houston's gone through, and I could just see her face jokingly. Jess, I know you're watching. Well, houston's jaw is wired shut right now. It's probably like whoo. I get a little bit of a break and I get to watch him draw on a board because damn jokingly. And somebody asked about an hour ago how the hell did you eat during this? And I think a lot of it was a feeding tube in the RV.
Speaker 3:Suppositories. Suppositories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had a lot of suppositories that had a caloric intake there, right yes yeah, houston's.
Speaker 1:Like what suppository mean? Yeah, is that where kennedy was shot? So, uh, where'd he go? Joke's funny. He said, um, there's a re. Uh, that's the reason why I'm doing it, because I want to be a police officer and that's why I'm a security guard first. So jokes funny. I am so glad that you found our channel, because not only us in two cops, one donut, but our community. Listen to them. Listen to the people in the community chatting. They will help you become a good cop. You want to know how I know, because they've helped me become a better cop. So listen to what they have to say. Get your police training and good luck. Stick with our channel. If you have any questions, jump on our discord and we will will. We'll try to guide you. The best that we can doesn't mean our way is the right way, but we'll do the best we can so y'all keep it going for a second.
Speaker 3:I'll be right back all right, we'll do.
Speaker 1:Um, I am going to uh, I think we're going to go to the body cams. Are you ready, houston?
Speaker 1:let's go hell, yeah, oh. So anybody in the comments. If you got questions for Houston, just keep them coming. We're going to go through the body cam reviews now, but if you got stuff for him, let him know. We'll get it up there on the screen and we'll ask him. I am going to share what we're looking at here. Let's go over here, shout out, okay. So, first and foremost, viewer discretion advised. And this is a shout out to Police Activities YouTube page. We get all of our body cam reviews from them. Please go like, subscribe to them. This is all body cam stuff. So this is publicly owned things. This is a Freedom of Information Act thing.
Speaker 1:We're not taking anybody's personal videos, so I am going to share this tab instead. We are going to biggie size the screen. There we go, and I am really digging Restream. Just created this view, houston, I know this is new to you, but how the screen looks right now, this is new. This is not something that we've always had. So it's cool because it gives us the ability to see each other gauge reactions, but also the screen itself is a decent size, so I'm liking it. All. Right, let's get into our first video. You guys know how this goes. We don't know what the video is. What's on there? We've never watched it. You're going to get our raw reaction as it develops and we're going to walk you through. We're going to pause often. We want you guys to engage. Houston, I can hear you breathing. You got too close. You'll get used to it. We'll get you. Viewer discretion advised.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Florida 2-4. Bravo Echo.
Speaker 1:Charlie Whiskey on his own Kia. I don't like this. Okay, we do this a lot. This is a basic traffic stop. Houston, walk me through what you're thinking about as you approach a general traffic stop.
Speaker 2:Whenever I approach a general traffic stop, I'm trying to look through the windows. I'm trying to see what's going on. I'm trying to see how many people are in the vehicle, calling out my tag number, thinking about whatever offense I've got right there, whether it's speeding or registration, whatever, Also concerned about what's going on with the driver.
Speaker 1:Okay, now for me. All the same stuff Pro tip to anybody that's a cop out there, and this may be something that nobody's ever told you. I am generally calling the plate out before I ever light them up. Meaning I've already got my offense. Yes, I already know what they have. Meaning I've already got my offense.
Speaker 1:I already know what they have, but I'm not calling out the plate. I'm not turning my right hand to pull them over until I've already called out the plate to dispatch, and that's a safety thing. The reason why is, if this guy decides to take off, if he starts shooting at me, whatever he gets out of the car, now they already have the plate and they have a general location of where I'm at before I've even initiated the stop and then I can just update dispatch. Hey, I'm going to be out at the corner of first and main as I get out of the car, and that's a lot less for me to do. And I'm not sitting in the seat of that driver's seat for very long. Sitting in the seat of that driver's seat for very long. So pro tip you guys. Did you guys practice that way too?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, A hundred percent. Uh, I was uh always getting out of my car just as the person was stopped. Yes, that way I can always gauge things and if I needed a way to escape, I could, or if I needed cover, I could get it. Or we can just get up there that much quicker and get business handled and get out of the way faster.
Speaker 1:Yep the way, looking at this setup where we're at, I'm going to go with a passenger side approach Just to throw them off, Hope they're not paying attention. It's daytime so it's harder for a passenger side approach to work all the time, but I'm going to go with the passenger side approach on this one. Anybody do anything different here?
Speaker 1:No, I don't disagree with that at all. I like a passenger side approach because we can see their hands and what they're doing a lot better, and a lot of times they're looking out the driver's side door. I don't always do a passenger side approach simply because you just want to keep them on their toes Always a bad sign. Banning. I'll let you lead this one off.
Speaker 3:Well, it's still a small window for me, so I'm trying to see it the way you've got the windows set up, you've got Houston on the big screen. Oh, I'm sorry, there we go, perfect there we go, that's better.
Speaker 3:Much better, much better. Yeah, so to me. I'm looking at double yellow lines. Obviously it's probably a slow amount of traffic, but anytime you're coming up on this, why are we going to be assholes and block that lane coming through? People need to come and go as they please. It's a free country. Why do we need to make a traffic hazard? No-transcript minor traffic infraction. The reason why this stop occurred. I have not seen this video.
Speaker 1:Yep, I have not seen this video. So my concerns always as I'm approaching is being able to see into the vehicle these are pretty dark windows and being able to see hands. That's the only thing I care about as I'm approaching. I'm looking at hands. If I see the driver's hands, I'm cool, I am so relaxed. But if the hands are down and hidden and stuff like that, I'm going to be on edge a little bit. Somebody asked a question, question. What if the driver jumped into the passenger seat just to keep you on your toes?
Speaker 3:had it happen.
Speaker 3:I've had many I they've ran into each other where I'm looking at them through the back window. If it wasn't too tented and if I was doing a driver approach because there was nothing on that side, or I wanted to do a driver approach, which is very rare, be like, well, let me go back around here to the other passenger side, I'd be like all right, driver, let me see your driver's license. Oh, what do you mean, sir? I'm the passenger. No, let me see your driver's license, proof of insurance, you know, and it's. We're not gonna play games and I want to get them back on the way, just as bad as they didn't want to get stopped. I want to get them back on the way.
Speaker 3:And, uh, I'm not a big ticket writer. I'm kind of like yeah, eric, you don't know this. Houston is just like us. You know, when he was getting out of law enforcement, he probably doesn't even know if he turned his fucking excuse me, his frigging ticket book back in because it wasn't a big ticket writer man. He just it wasn't his frigging style. We never were. Now, obviously, the school zone stuff, our next generation yeah, we go hammered down on that man. That's our next gen, but you still give them the benefit of the doubt. I gave them 10 miles an hour. If it's 20, I wouldn't even stop you, unless you were 30 over on a calibrated K-band laser that was tested prior to my shift and we would have a talk. Did I write everybody a ticket? No, cause sometimes a talk can do a great thing, so it educates and we can go on. Sometimes a big fine doesn't doesn't do shit for anybody.
Speaker 1:Yep, now in this. For me, um, opening the door is an uncommon thing. Uh, it definitely puts an officer on edge, and especially with him looking back like this, that is God, that would get my butthole puckering, because we have seen training video after training video after training video, that this is a person looking to acquire a target. So that is going to make me have a certain type of response. Now am I going to draw down on this guy? Necessarily. No, I'll be like hey, man, do me a favor, just keep your hands where I can see you. I'm just pulling you over for X, because usually a little information diffuses a lot. So if you're an officer out there and you're like I would have been like get the fuck on the ground, or anything like that. Hey, listen to me and try a different tactic. Try just telling them what you pulled them over for as this is going on. Hey, I pulled you over because you were speeding. Do me a favor, can you just show me your hands real quick as I'm trying to walk up and keep that pillar between us and him.
Speaker 1:So, use your words here, now that the door is open. I want the door to stay open. I want to be able to see as much as I can. I don't want to shut that door. Those windows are really hard to see in. So these are the things that are going through my head as I'm watching. I'm not going to have him get out of the vehicle, I'm by myself. I want him seated, I want him to stay seated and him having the door open now actually helps me out as long as I can see his hands. So, all right, let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Is there a reason why you're popping the door?
Speaker 1:open like that I can see one hand. That's good. I'm not getting he's definitely doesn't have a compliant tone to him, but I don't see aggressive either, so let's keep going man.
Speaker 3:You know let me just capitalize on that you know I've had a lot of traffic stops like this, that they've they've had a bad traffic stop in the past and and you know me being the supervisor of both agencies where Houston and I worked I've reviewed a lot of Houston's videos when he did his traffic stops and we were both very good at deescalation verbally. You know, somebody popped off with an attitude Maybe they had been mistreated before by law enforcement, maybe they're having a bad day. They're humans, we're human. They may pop off upset, understandably, but it's our job to not be offended by that and not overindulge the powers of law enforcement. You can really quickly go, man. I understand it's been a long day. I'm probably the last person you don't want to see. Here's the reason your vehicle has been stopped and let's go from there. And let's, let's try to pipe. Let's, let's calm this guy down.
Speaker 3:I didn't try to stop people, just to take people to jail. That's not what I did. Mine was more of a of an education thing, and this is the reason. This is why somebody called you in. This is this is what it was. Because that ticket, that arrest, is that going to correct everything? No, does it need to happen sometimes? I'm not a judge or a jury.
Speaker 1:It happens and that's up to a judge and jury, if it's right. Yeah, and and the other thing, I just saw a video on Dominic Izzo's page. I don't know if you guys watch Dominic. I highly recommend him. He's a good friend. I actually talked to him today about the specific video where the window was busted or broken. The guy couldn't roll his window down, so he opened the door and it caused this whole shitstorm and it escalated from there. So that could be another factor here. Window just doesn't roll down and I've seen that a million times. So let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Absolutely. There's a reason why I'm pulling you over. For one thing inclement weather you don't have your lights on Two things you're not wearing your seatbelt.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 4:think this is the same video.
Speaker 1:different video or different angle? I didn't see this.
Speaker 3:This is Florida and I know this from from being stationed down there at the time of the marine corps and visiting my dad. Uh, when my dad was was in the air force in fort walton beach. Uh, it, there's signs all over, uh, headlights on during rain. It's. It's like no passing in the left lane, the reminder here in texas, but down there it is absolutely lights on during the rain because they've shown that's a drop in accidents if they do that. So I understand that law. That's, that's a law that I agree with to help see things.
Speaker 1:I get it, but again, I I now that I I think that everybody's saying this is the same video. I only seen it. Guy records it too. Um, I only seen it from his angle, um, so I I'm gonna review this the same way, because I didn't see all this. The only thing I saw was once this dude's getting ripped out of the car. So, um, I'm now I'm very curious. Uh, yeah, let's see, um, so let's put it this way, that's a chicken shit reason to pull someone over, agreed?
Speaker 1:Right now let me tell you how I would have handled this part. Hey, bro, I pulled you over because your lights were off. Turn them on for me. It's raining out. It's kind of dark out here.
Speaker 3:Take off.
Speaker 1:Have a nice day. That's it. That's how I would have handled exactly. Have a nice day yeah, that's it. So that's how I would have handled this.
Speaker 5:But let's keep going.
Speaker 1:I don't like that he's saying it's not raining, when I can see wetness on your car, brother, now it could be getting kicked up from the road. But whatever, let's not be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, like the driver needs a little ownership too. Okay, fair enough, public safety, cool yeah, let me turn my lights on. Are we good, officer? I turned it on, have a nice day. So okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Telling you why I'm pulling you over. Give me your driver's license, registration proof of insurance. No no, call your supervisor. Why Excuse?
Speaker 1:me.
Speaker 5:Call your supervisor.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't like that. Don't tell me. No, I'm not doing that. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. That's not and that's not me looking at it as an ego issue. This is actually a legit offense. Now I've already said I wouldn't have pulled you over. I personally, I wouldn't have pulled him over for it anyway. I wouldn't have stopped you. That's just me. I guess me and Banning are a little different on that specific call traffic offense. But if I did like I said, I'm not going to ask for your stuff, I'm just going to say turn your lights on. But if I do ask for it and I got a legal reason to have it, citizens for, for us in the in the audience, that's not the reaction you need either. If we're going to bridge a gap, it can't be a one sided thing. It can't be the cops doing all this one side and you doing all this and you don't have to do anything. We got to work together. This is a. This is an actual offense. Love it or hate it, this is an actual offense.
Speaker 3:So you can't have this attitude either and if you look up the the, I'm a retard with information, but you know, florida uses a road base that has what's called shale and I'm probably doing a texas slang to it, but it's a shell base, because that's a common element that they can get out there from the oceans, in the sand that's laid down. So what does a shell have in it? Well, that's natural oils and that's in that base underneath the asphalt. When you add rain to that, that oil can come up on top. So if that first 15 minutes of the rain, uh, just like it is in many parts of the country, it's almost like ice in some parts of Florida. So they're trying to add that extra caution to see these cars and the light, heavy, light, heavy rain that goes on, and while those roads are slick. So I understand why the law is in place.
Speaker 1:And then Mr Belfold said it's not an actual offense if it isn't raining. See, I don't even know. I don't In Texas, this isn't. Again, I don't do a whole lot of traffic In Texas. I don't even think this is a thing. I think we have a traffic code law about it being dark if the lighting situation changes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 30 minutes before sunset and 30 minutes after sunrise.
Speaker 1:And that's it. So to me, this wouldn't even qualify in Texas. This wouldn't qualify as you needing to have your. We don't have anything, am I wrong? I don't think we have anything.
Speaker 4:Do you guys remember?
Speaker 1:anything like that.
Speaker 3:Again in Texas, Obviously all through the night.
Speaker 1:So if it is in fact not raining which is here's the thing Whose perception is right? I see a wet car. I can literally see raindrops on the side of it, so that shit. Now we're getting into the weeds on this.
Speaker 2:It's easy to climb into those.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is it wrinkling really light? Does that count as raining? Is there a drop or two falling out of the sky? Does that count as raining? We're in the middle on this one. I think everybody in the audience is kind of like, well, it's not raining, but okay, we see wetness. There's something happened. There's been some rain at some point. So I'm curious what you guys are saying in the comments here. So I don't know. I don't know on this one.
Speaker 3:Good night, freeman. Thank you for coming on again, brother. Oh is Freeman on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's getting ready to go off. Oh, he's taking off. Sorry, bud, he's going to get up early. Appreciate you, freeman. Yeah, so that's the argument that we're having right now. Is it raining, is it not raining? Right now, I can say it does not look like it's raining.
Speaker 3:His window looks fairly dry and those look like old drops. You know what I mean. Let me throw a statement out there If it's not raining and that's the letter of the law and the officer made the stop, then as far as I'm concerned we're in the fruits of the poison's tree. You have zero probable cause for the stop and that's going to be anything that goes on after this, and any wrongdoing is going to be based on that officer's actions. We're looking at the video, just as y'all are. Y'all are amazing at what you look up, so if we're, we're only looking at this for the first time at this angle. I saw a short reel.
Speaker 1:I believe, sure, yeah inside the car.
Speaker 3:But if they did wrong, freaking shame on the cop man. He freaking knows better and whatever. Uh, he gets on this and wherever it goes then, then he gets um, it is what it is on that man, but from what we're seeing right now, it looks like it recently or is currently, and that's where we're at on it.
Speaker 1:I do not agree with Ariel on this one. He said the road is pretty dry. That is not a dry road, that is a wet road.
Speaker 2:I have to agree with you on that, Eric it is a, at least.
Speaker 3:Well, when you hit play, listen to the traffic going by. You can hear the wetness, and that could yes, that could very well be a 15-minute-ago rain. It's obviously a recent rain. But to the fact of the law, what does the law state on the traffic code down there? Did he violate it, did he not? If he didn't, let him fucking go and let's go on to the next them, fucking go.
Speaker 1:And let's go on to the next. Mr billfold calling me out. He said when erica has to ship this far just to justify a victimless traffic violation in a high visibility environment, we are entering the cops playing around. Fair enough, fair enough, you're right. But when it comes to going to court, what do they do? And this one's going to go to court, guaranteed so. But I'm with you. I already told you, guys, I wouldn't have pulled this kid over, wouldn't have pulled him over, period end of story. Would not have pulled him over. I see people driving with their lights off all the time. Don't give a shit, don't care. The only time I care is at night. Um, that that's when it's a big thing. Uh, but this is that's. That's a wet road, it's a moist road. We'll meet in the middle. It's a moist road, all right, let's keep going, guys. That's dangerous shit.
Speaker 2:Listen that's aggressive on the driver's part yeah, that's not a good move.
Speaker 1:And again, if I'm the cop like, don't double down, what do you have? You have a damn lights not turned on. Reset yourself, knock on. Hey, listen, just turn your lights on. Have a good day. That is a lot of cop ego, though, that you have to get over.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what I tell. Uh, tell all my rookies and stuff that I train Not every stop is going to be worth what you go through for it.
Speaker 1:Yep Now, and here's one of the things to notice no-transcript, not under arrest, but you got to go. Like that's how I handle it. But for some reason we think differently. On a traffic stop, on a traffic stop, all of a sudden it's like no, we doubled down, and we see that a lot with officers. So what I would challenge officers to do in a situation like this, over such a minor thing tap on the window. Hey, hey, listen, just turn your lights on and we'll be good. Have a nice day. You're not conceding anything, you're not. Nothing's hurt. The problem is fixed, the problem's fixed. Am I way off? Do you guys think? No, you're not.
Speaker 3:So I'm going back to, to even reviewing houston's body camera and everybody at a couple different agencies. I saw this. I mean houston would do like I do, you know, and that's why I never knew I had a problem with him. He had the 100 knowledge here. He'd pull up next to somebody in the square at our one of three lights that we have in the friggin city and and he'd say, hey, turn your headlights on, it's dark. Oh, thanks, have a nice night on. Gone.
Speaker 3:And it activated because he put his back deck lights on or something to let somebody know because the lights turning green. He's just, he's not trying to do a full traffic stop. He's like hey, a smart guy, smart woman, turn your lights on. You may not, you may have your dash lit up on the inside, but your lights aren't on the outside and the street lights can be deceiving. We see it all the time in law enforcement. You guys see it as motorists out on the road. Oh my God, I can't believe that guy didn't have his lights on. He's got these little driving lights on up front and their dash lights are on. They think their lights are on. So I used to do it as a courtesy all the time hey, turn your lights on. Let's not get in the wreck tonight, and it's not to me. It wasn't worth a traffic stop, you know, and we would just yell it out to him real quick and be gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, um. So yeah, like, let's, let's just keep it going, let's, uh, like I said, it's very hard. It's very hard for cops and and I don't fully know it, I think it's a self-awareness thing. I think once somebody points it out to you you'll start to recognize it. But until somebody points it out to you, you might not realize it's what you do, because it's how you're trained and I can tell you right now. I was trained.
Speaker 1:If somebody did something like this, I'm ripping his ass out of the car immediately. I'm not going to let that door shut. I'm doing all these different things, but in my experience and training and over the years and the way that it's evolved, especially when it comes to de-escalation and things like that, look at the bigger picture, look at what you have. We've got a minor, minor offense. If we even have an offense, and this guy's pissed about it, okay, nobody's happy when they get pulled over, so let's try to work it out. Hey man, knock on the window. That's my fix for this. It doesn't mean I'm right, that's the other thing. It doesn't mean I'm right. So let me make sure I switch this back. I don't want people to get pissed off.
Speaker 5:So all right, let's keep going. 25 seconds. We're not for the night for the driver, just uh, slamming door and lock it. Yep, 25 seconds. Anybody responding coming from? Come in from Commonwealth block of the river. Please Keep your hands where I can see them, sir. My camera's on too. I've already told you Okay. Okay, right now you're under arrest for resisting. You understand, you're under arrest for resisting. The longer you take us on, the worse it's going to be. Keep your hands where I can see them, sir.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay. Part of the thing is trying to talk about what we would do. I've told you what I would do. I wouldn't have resorted to ripping this guy out of the car yet at all. I understand why the partner came in hot. You hear somebody's resisting on the radio. So you're coming to help your buddy because you don't fully know what you got. But so let's keep it going. I mean, is he resisting physically? It's what we would call passive resistance. He's not listening to orders, but he's not fighting you physically. So, um, on a technicality, yeah, that that is what it would be. Um, and then, if it is a lawful traffic stop, you are also supposed to provide your id. So but let's keep going. So here's your last warning to open the vehicle and exit before we're going to break the window.
Speaker 5:Id so, but let's keep going, sir, is your last warning to open the vehicle and exit before we're going to break the window? Open the door and exit. Or we are going to break the window. Open the door and exit, or we are going to break the window.
Speaker 1:Now me personally. Before I break a window, unless I think there's an immediate like safety issue, I'm going to call my supervisor. Yeah, hey, boss, this is what I got.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Uh, I can break the window. Do you want to come out here? There's no rush right now. What is the rush? And if I resolve it peacefully, fuck I got all day. I'm getting paid by the hour.
Speaker 3:Why do I want to rush? I feel like we're rushing this, yeah, and the only reason I'm going to break a window is the, the exigency, and it has to be emergency. And houston can capitalize on this, and I know you can too, having the three stripes on your shoulder if a guy calls you going into an apartment for a domestic, that's exigent. You hear something if they're taking that time out to call you. Hey, sarge, this is what I got. It obviously has not reached that exigency level and so on.
Speaker 3:This too now I'm sure a lot of viewers have seen. If you look at your screen, do you see that little bit of a back window? He's giving another officer a chance. He may not have heard him we can argue all three of us all day long on this type of stop but he's rolled his window down to start a conversation with the officer on the other side. So I'm trying to look at this big picture because we're looking at it at a small fisheye lens of what's going on here.
Speaker 3:I'm sure the gentleman driving it may have not been raining or something like that, and if the dude shouts out I stopped you cause you don't have your headlights on, he knows in his mind. He didn't do something right. My only advice to him was is go fight this in court with the body camera footage and the footage that you have. Yeah, don't make it to this situation, to where force needs to be used. I'm all about protecting your rights, but, man, let's goodness gracious, let's do it in a courtroom and try that, and if that doesn't work, put it on social media. You know whatever you need to do to get eyeballs on it, like this gentleman did in the past.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I like Brandar's comment here. He said so call out on the mic what sounds worse to get a quicker response. I don't know that that's necessarily what he's doing, but I would have clarified a lot of times. When I tell people, hey, I got one, that's not, I would have said not listening and I would have said you know, just get here, no need to run code.
Speaker 1:Like that's all I would have said because, like you said it, once you've done this a while, you see the guy's rolling his window down, he's getting his phone out to record. I know I'm gonna be there. A minute like this is not a situation where I think this guy's just suddenly gonna take off, um, but you'll start to see those signs and symptoms of when somebody's gonna take off too hopefully, and it doesn't always happen that way, so it's. The other thing is, like I'm generalizing sometimes you don't know and all of a sudden the motherfucker takes off and you're like I didn't see that shit coming and a lot of that is man is, is.
Speaker 3:This guy may have perceived this cop as being a flat-out dick walking up and and he may have had the the. You know there's a lot of factors of just being an ass. Uh, don't be a dick, don't be a a dick in life, you know. Walk up and be direct, obviously because there's safety factors. But you can do that in different stages to where you don't come off as a complete pompous ass. And I'm not saying this officer is. I can't see what that guy's seeing, but we've got to take an account of everything that's going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Wade Lucero said cop is begging. That's fun, almost as fun as making them put their little notebook back in their pocket with no name on it. Somebody said to go back and look at the comments Clearly. Well, clearly.
Speaker 2:Brian said the cop doesn't even have his headlights on If you look, he doesn't have his headlights on. So okay, you just blew your offense out of the water.
Speaker 1:If you're not following the law you can't enforce that law. Yeah, that's a good point. Just saying Right then, and there that whole thing's ruined.
Speaker 2:You're done. You've already blown this up.
Speaker 1:I wish the driver would have thought to point that out. He might, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm sure it will get to his attention, based on this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fucking funny. Yeah, good point. Like I said, chicken shit offense okay. So he even rolled down the back window for the other officer and I can tell you right now I don't just casually put my arm up on the top of the car if I feel threatened for my safety.
Speaker 2:No, not a chance.
Speaker 1:So no, he's under arrest. Oh, we got a question. Where did it go?
Speaker 3:Wait a minute. Look at that car right there. Minimize that for me One second.
Speaker 1:Is that an old Impala Aluminum maybe?
Speaker 3:I'm talking about looking at the headlights on the friggin' violator officer stopping him.
Speaker 1:Right and his headlights aren't on. Yeah, no, and his headlights aren't on. You hypocrite son of a bitch. Oh, okay, so I said I got a question. Um, you guys want to. You guys want to allow to punch? I think what he's asking are you allowed to punch somebody in the face on a traffic stop Because I saw a police officer doing that? I mean you can. It just depends on what's going on. Punching is allowed for sure.
Speaker 2:That's a very loaded question. It has so many different answers.
Speaker 1:If.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to get you to let go of the steering wheel, for instance. Yeah, I can punch you in the face to get you extracted from the vehicle. I tell cops and since joke's funny, you plan to be a cop. Don't punch people. Open hand, Always use an open hand, because if you punch people you're going to hurt yourself. It's inevitable. It's inevitable. There's a reason boxers tape their hands up, even with those big, thick pads on. They always tape their hands up because you can break your hands through a boxing glove. So yeah, let's see here.
Speaker 5:Open the door and exit. You are under arrest for resisting. Open the door and exit. You are under arrest for resisting. Open the door and exit. You are under arrest for resisting.
Speaker 1:I thought that was our guy in the driver's seat saying that, but it's the guy standing over there by the way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so this is the second officer that arrived and is moving his partner's car, I believe, yeah so it doesn't take off, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5:Open the door and exit. You are under arrest for resisting.
Speaker 4:No hair.
Speaker 5:Open the door and exit. You are under arrest for resisting.
Speaker 2:Can you all lock the door and step out?
Speaker 5:I will. Can you step out? You're being done. There's a traffic stop. You don't need to reply.
Speaker 1:I can tell you right now there's no fucking way I'm going to let it escalate to ripping this guy out of the car. I've got nothing else other than the damn headlights.
Speaker 2:Then both two cops that fucking arrived didn't have the headlights on more paperwork than it's worth and, uh, the chance of you being the united states versus officer whatever is increasing here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brandar 86. He does bring up a good point, cause we say this all the time on here fight it in court. The reason I say fight it in court has nothing to do with your paycheck, has everything to do with your safety, because you never know the cop you're going to get. And and look at what we're looking at right now. I mean I already know what's going to happen. I've seen this. I just haven't seen the body cam view. Um, but he says fight the ticket in court. Cop paid to be there. Civilian has to take time off of work. Fight the ticket. Citizens pay through the ride. Yeah, and that's part of the outrage. That's why I understand. That's why I understand why this guy's pissed. He may be getting a ticket for some bullshit that he's probably planning on fighting anyway, for money he doesn't have, for going through something that he shouldn't have to go through. So I get it. I understand. And, brandar, you're not wrong. You're definitely a good point and thank you for the $5, by the way, appreciate that, brother. Don't feel like you have to spend the money just to get us to say your comments.
Speaker 1:I would have said something about that. But yeah, this is country girl said. How is that possible? Under arrest for resisting when wasn't put under arrest? Get the fuck out of here. So, yeah, this is. This is one of those things like I'm going to call the supervisor out here. I want a fresh face too. That helps you.
Speaker 1:Sometimes, guys, You've already got a bad rapport with the contact officer. I'm going to step back. Hey, this is why I pulled him over. This is what I got. Can you go talk to him and maybe we can resolve it that way? Or have the supervisor go talk to him, but I, we can resolve it that way, or have the supervisor go talk to him, but I'm gonna do all that before I rip somebody out of car. Um, and yeah, mike's right.
Speaker 1:He said that's a scary statement. You never know what cop you're going to get. But we would be bullshitting in line if we didn't say there's not video evidence out there that you see a cop on team. We talk about the choke slamming sergeant or the sonya massey boiling water shit when he tells that lady that he's gonna put a fucking hole in her head or shoot her right in the face or whatever it was he said. Do you remember that banning? I don't remember exactly what he said, but my reaction to another officer saying that would have been just out of this world as soon as that sonya massey thing. We we discussed this banning because we both saw it live for the first time on sonya massey the first would have been like get the fuck out of here, go leave the house.
Speaker 1:Now I will talk to her. Leave.
Speaker 3:That's how that should have been so should have never been in the freaking house to begin with never been in the house in the first place.
Speaker 1:So Houston's like what are you guys talking about? So my mom dropped two books in there. Thanks, mom, pear. Character turning around waving his hands hey, you, while lowering his glasses. Oh, that's weird, I'm pooping. I read the description. Okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Okay. So what did he ask for me, I guess? Well, for one, your headlights are all funded as well.
Speaker 2:I'm like there's multiple people here.
Speaker 4:There's no rain Can.
Speaker 1:You can't put a lot can you put a when you step out of the car? I will, can you?
Speaker 5:call your supervisor.
Speaker 4:Can you call your supervisor? All right, go for it.
Speaker 5:Exit the vehicle now. Exit the vehicle. Show me your hands here.
Speaker 1:What is your reason, sir.
Speaker 5:What is your reason? What is your reason? Step out now. All right, get on the ground.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no. Get on the ground, put your hands behind your back, put your hands behind your back.
Speaker 5:Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back, put your hands behind your back.
Speaker 4:Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back.
Speaker 5:Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back. What's wrong with you? Even on dead weight resistance?
Speaker 3:because weight resistance, because you have active resistance physically let's look up Just hindsight on this Actively resisting to where the subject in question is striking, doing things, and then it may elicit that type of response when you have dead weight resisting. A guy just sitting in his freaking car and I got issues with it. Man, I got a lot of issues with it. You know, I'm not ia, I'm not, but just looking at this from both lenses of the gentleman in the car and then the body camera, maybe I need to be educated on florida law. Maybe there's something that I and I'm not a Florida cop but yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say, man, I think the uh, the alleged suspect in this situation handled that a lot better than I think I would have. Man, after that cop punched me in the face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the first punch. My man, my man went complete Martin Martin Luther King on that he handled himself so much better than I think I would have. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would give him that right there. Now there's so many things wrong with this. A I agree with you, eric, it's a chicken shit. Stop Turn on your lights going down the road. Hey smart guy, let's get, just follow what the law says Done 10-8. Yep. Secondly, to avoid this situation, all the suspect had to do was comply and say hey man, you know what here's, here's this we.
Speaker 1:He didn't have to take it to that level, but at the same time, yeah the officer didn't have to make that stop, so I mean yeah, and that's why I said if, if we're going to truly bridge the gap, work together Amen.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent.
Speaker 1:I don't want to give you my ID because I think this is a bullshit stop, but because, hey man, 100 I. I don't want to give you my id because I think this is a bullshit stop, but because I don't want to deal with that either. You never know what the fuck you're dealing with. Sometimes, right there you go um. I the night actually posted the law, by the way. He said um, florida statute 316.2171b. Uh, during any smoke or fog, that could be the key here there, the during. So yeah, but what doesn't help is not a single cop has their lights on. Um, and I can tell you, whenever you run code your, your headlights usually come on right.
Speaker 3:They're going to go into a wig wag fashion, yeah.
Speaker 1:Wig, wag, yeah, and we're not seeing any of that.
Speaker 3:So that tells me they're like when you, when you yeah, and you put it in park, it's going to go back to whatever the officer has it set at. Yeah, if it's dark enough for them to come on, even on the ford fleets. Now those, those lights are coming on on auto. So we can argue this a hundred different ways. I, I think we're at a shit stop. We're not attorneys, but yeah, we're at a shit stop. We're not attorneys, but we're at a shit stop right now, and this could have been handled 100% different.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure. And another thing passive-resistive. So other officers out there listening, when you've got somebody that's passive-resistive, they're sitting there recording. They've taken the time to roll down the windows, not all the way, but enough to talk to you. There's a little bit of give there. Why are we breaking out the window right next to his face? I would have broke out a rear window or the passenger side window, unlock the door. You know. Now you're going to be able to see what level of resistance he's wanting to put on from there. Because now you just knocked a bunch of glass into his face, eyes, punched him, ripped him out, punched him repeatedly again, punched him, taken him down, punched him on the ground. For a passive-resistive person, holy shit. All for what? Headlights being out? Shut the fuck up. This is why people don't like cops. I'm just saying this is 100% an ego thing and doubling down, doubling down is a big thing. Ego gets us in trouble and then doubling down finishes us, I think.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I think so. I think we've seen enough on that. Yeah, if I were to grade this, it would be a failing grade, and I think all of those officers involved are going to be in a shitstorm of trouble.
Speaker 2:Just my thoughts.
Speaker 1:I can see several zeros being written on that check? Yeah for sure. Now, like I said, the point of what we do here, guys, is to bridge the gap, and I fully think that working together we can make things better. It's the start to make things better. It doesn't mean you're rolling over and surrendering your rights and all of that stuff. I'm just saying that if we work together, we can do better. If we, if we gotta start somewhere, if we expect it to all be copped or to all be on the citizen side, we're never gonna get anywhere. And that's kind of what this channel's shown is that when we start to talk, start to work together, a lot more things can improve. So, um, let's go to the next video, and I really got to, but houston.
Speaker 3:How are you on time, brother?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, I'm good man, okay, okay I forgot.
Speaker 1:I'm so used to staying up till three in the morning with all these clowns. Yeah, like last night, like last night, and then the five and a half hour podcast we did the night before that. We're not doing that again tonight, y'all. Matter of fact, this is the last video. We'll be a hard stop at three hours. So let me see here oh, I got gotta share the screen. That's what I was looking for. Share screen? Oh, all right. Biggie says, oh, let's go colorado springs 911.
Speaker 4:What is the exact location of the emergency? Hi, ma'am, I'm in front of the mansion in downtown Colorado Springs. It's the mansion, the club. I'm in the parking lot of 19 Avenue, 19. Okay, and that's in front of the mansion. Is that correct? Yes, I'm in the parking lot right now.
Speaker 4:There's an individual with a it looks like a semi-automatic weapon, a black male, in the parking lot. He's screaming at some people and he has a weapon on the side of him. Okay, and was he doing anything with the weapon? Did he raise it at all or is it just on his side? It's in his hand. He's screaming at a group of individuals right now with it in his hand, like in a threatening manner. Okay, I do have a call started here Just to confirm.
Speaker 4:So that gun, I know you said, is in his hand. Is it pointed at people or is it pointed at the ground? It's like literally in his hand, like if he was. Like it's in low, ready, like it's like he's saying comments to these individuals and group of people, like if he was going to shoot this place up and everybody's intoxicated over here downtown. Okay, gotcha. So it's not pointed like directly at them, but it's not pointed at the ground either. Is that correct? No, okay, yes, that's correct, it is a rifle. It's not a pistol or anything like that. Okay, what is your first and last name? Do you have a call started here? Yeah, I'm trying to leave the parking lot right now. I'm not staying here just because I saw the weapon already. Okay, and then describe that weapon. You said it was a semi-automatic rifle, is that correct? Yep, it looks like an M4. Just so, you're right, it does look like we do have some officers on the way there now.
Speaker 1:That's somebody that knows a little bit about weaponry. Just calling something an M4 is not a common. Most people would say an AR or an assault rifle.
Speaker 3:She's pretty much calling this an SBR, possibly with a full auto capability, which, unless it's in the right hand anyway, yeah, good.
Speaker 1:So um, this looks like it's nighttime, definitely looks crowded. So uh, yeah, how are you approaching this? So far banning.
Speaker 3:I'm going to pull up enough to where I can see the lot. I'm gonna black out when I can and I'm gonna try to get eyes on the situation. Hopefully the dispatcher's able to narrow it down exactly. It doesn't look like a. Hopefully this is most of the lot that we're seeing in the camera, uh, but where the crowd is gathering and listening, I mean we're doing a lot of listening as we're walking up on this.
Speaker 3:Obviously, obviously, if people are upset, you're going to have that elevated screaming et cetera, and you're going to be walking or running with purpose, without to cause alarm because it may be overly indulged on the phone, right. What if it's not what that state is? So you have to have the air of caution when you're pulling up on that. Is it illegal to carry a rifle in the United States walking up and down the streets? Due to the Second Amendment? No, was it miscategorized? So we have to go there as law enforcement and see is this a threatening matter? Or is it a guy that's got a rifle slung and he's in an argument with somebody? If that's the case and you're looking over there and there's nobody actually threatened, see you yeah um, patrick said, eric, you missed harrison's comment.
Speaker 1:Apparently the cops wrote a false report on that last video. So that's even more damning evidence, because that's one thing. If it doesn't match what we're seeing in the videos, you're done like that, either brady list or, you know, fired charged. Just depends false report. I can tell you where I'm at. You'd get charged, yep, and you're done, huh, yep. Uh, okay, as you should be, yep, agreed oh, what's going on?
Speaker 4:He pays the bills. What the fuck is this talking about?
Speaker 1:Okay, they have a gun.
Speaker 2:No, all right. Why is that guy saying it's a domestic? Who's a domestic? Going on, but they're arguing.
Speaker 4:Do you fucking?
Speaker 1:see that.
Speaker 2:They're arguing. They're arguing, bro.
Speaker 4:They're slamming doors on us, trying to fucking fight.
Speaker 2:They're arguing.
Speaker 4:She works with Josh's police. She works Josh's police. She was for CSPD, all right.
Speaker 2:They're arguing, bro. That's it. That's all that's going on.
Speaker 4:Her name is Officer Sony. We got it.
Speaker 1:Be like bitch putting my work out there Won't be telling people I'm a cop, so maybe we've got a cop involved. That may make things a little different, but this is what happens. We get a call. This is one of the things that makes a difference Banning and Houston of having programs out there like Live 911 or Rapid SOS and things like that, where you can hear the caller, versus you're only seeing the details in your text across your computer. So for those listening that don't do police work. Think about it like your text message.
Speaker 1:If somebody sends you a text, sometimes it's hard to hear the tone or see what they're trying to say or how they're trying to convey it. But if you can hear somebody say that same text, if they give you like a voice memo, then you get it. You can tell if they're joking, if they're being sarcastic, things like that. It would have been highly beneficial for the officers to hear the 9-1-1 call versus reading the 9-1-1 call, because if they heard what we just heard, I would have taken that very serious because of the description you know, basically saying it's an m4 and it's a short barrel rifle and it's a ready low and all those different things that she's describing Like. That's a very detailed description, so I would not be listening to these clowns that much, because they're trying to downplay everything. I just heard somebody describe something very serious and very specific and they're trying to downplay it, so let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Okay, so nobody wants to report anything.
Speaker 4:No, All right, guys make good decisions.
Speaker 1:That's an officer that's trying to clear a call Yep, he doesn't want to deal with it. He's like so nobody wants to report it. That's an officer who doesn't want to deal with anything and I kind of see it his way. If you show up and nothing's apparent and you don't see anybody else complaining.
Speaker 3:Look in the rest of the lot, get in and get out. If it's not there, it's not there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sweep the area. If you don't see it, there's no need to dig too far. So I can kind of see that. Again, that makes the difference. This officer may not have heard the call. He may only have read it.
Speaker 4:So I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong. I'm just trying to give you guys perspective on how we kind of look at these things.
Speaker 1:Do you see a gun? I don't see a gun.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen anything yet?
Speaker 1:But that was the same guy that we were talking to earlier, right? Yes, I'm going to go back real quick. Take note of the outfit and the pigtails things here. I think it's the same guy. I'm not 100% sure. Let me go back. I thought it was him Right. Right here Place.
Speaker 4:Whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Someplace else? No, that's the same dude, ain't it? Yeah, it's the same guy. Yeah, that's the same dude. Okay, so he's apparently a part of the arguing crowd.
Speaker 4:Mama, stop playing, you dumbass.
Speaker 1:Bro, you're not helping, Just walk away. We've been trying to do this, I know, bro, keep going, I get it. Thank you, okay, you okay with that? Yeah, the cop's not trying to arrest anybody, he's trying to handle it at the lowest level. Break up the arguments, try to use a little bit of, you know, diffusion. Yeah, I'm okay with this so far. So that's the same guy. They got highlighted. He's arguing. I can't tell if he's just trying to leave. Yeah, he looks like he's trying to leave. He's retrieving something now. Oh, he's definitely got a gun now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I see it there Okay.
Speaker 1:What the hell is that thing? It's probably big.
Speaker 4:That guy went back into the white Mercedes and everybody's scattered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it did look like an extended mag on it, but the gun itself looked bigger, almost like a desert.
Speaker 2:It was big.
Speaker 4:He's hiding behind the door. Captain, just a little bit slow. Two sparks coming back towards us. Two of the guns Good one Channel 8 code, one for manship.
Speaker 1:What did he drop? Did you guys notice that? Watch the officer. I went too far. It's running right here off the door.
Speaker 4:It's running right here, just a little bit slow, it starts coming back towards us. He dropped something That'll be cool. One for a minute, yeah the orange, maybe it's Mag.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 4:It's Mag and his friggin' open belt holder and gun extended mag Put your fucking hands up.
Speaker 5:Hey, put your hands up, get your hands up now.
Speaker 4:Stop running, he's got a gun.
Speaker 1:Oof. Yeah, you can't say they didn't give this dude every opportunity to leave. Yeah, and apparently he wanted to instigate nobody had him under duress to where he needed to go retrieve a gun. He could have left.
Speaker 2:so right now I am not on the bad guy side, I'm calling him a bad guy, I'm I'm gonna tell you I think the the police handled this uh excellently, from what I've seen so far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did not make wise decisions and people are going to be like, well, he's running and they shot him in the back If he's digging for the gun. As he's running, he clearly had plenty of opportunities to give himself up right there. He has bad intentions. He's shown that he went and retrieved a gun in a crowded place. I don't have a lot of sympathy right now. They fired until he went down and they stopped. That's another thing to point out. I only heard a few shots stopped and now they're gaining site security.
Speaker 5:Put your fucking hands up. Hey, put your hands up.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is the contact officer. This is the same guy. Clearly we know that he had a gun. I'm not seeing it right now, but it kind of looks like it may be tucked under that front.
Speaker 4:Get your hands up now.
Speaker 1:Okay, so his hand was in his waistband, but he put it up. I'm not seeing the gun yet he instantly oh, there he goes. He's digging yeah, he started digging as soon as he turned I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't think he's got a holster on and he shoved that down in his pants that, unfortunately, are not secured to his waistline and it's probably making his pants drop, which is going to slow him down running. So he's reaching in there to grab that gun and probably, but that's going to be a use of. You know, are you pulling your pants up? Are you grabbing that gun? There's way too many people in this parking lot. They can become victim to either officer shooting and or the the subject with the gun, yep.
Speaker 1:So okay subject with the gun, yep, so okay, get your hands up now, yeah, he digs right away with that right hand and it could be him trying to hold his pants up. But you can't take that risk now, with what we've already seen. Can't take that risk he's got a gun.
Speaker 4:Get your hands out of your pockets now. Get your hands out of your hand pockets now.
Speaker 5:Get your hands out. He's got the gun right here. Give us space. You guys got it. Yep, it's right here. Okay here.
Speaker 2:Hold on, let me put on gloves. Let me put on gloves. Yeah, that would be okay.
Speaker 4:I got it, I got it. Professional, I mean, they instantly wear ear-saving measures very quick.
Speaker 1:Okay here, wait, hold on, let me put on gloves. Let me put on gloves. Yeah, that would be awesome. I got it. I got it Professional, I mean. They instantly went into hard-saving measures very quick. I don't, you know, it's unfortunate. He made a stupid choice, but I don't blame these officers for acting the way they did. They can't take that chance. They especially can't take that chance with so many people around.
Speaker 3:Yep, and somebody. There's a couple people that made a comment over there about the gangster grip from the officer. Let me tell you something I don't shoot gangster, but when you're wearing depending on the cut of vest that you're wearing and then the crowd and you're trying to keep your off eye to see everything going on when you bring that firearm out, if you're going over here to grab a flashlight or communicate on the radio, it gets caught inside a little bit and you can see he's got a red dot on that gun. You know we can be accurate with that thing punched out center or coming out to the side. It's not a gangster that you see in the movies with the Mag-10 and you know they movies with the mag 10 and then you know they're dumping the dumping rounds, that's. That's not what he's doing. He's using a tactical.
Speaker 1:I even hate the word tactical, but he's using a tactical approach on this which is still accurate yeah, it's um, with the, with the vest, something to consider that a lot of people don't know, because you guys don't wear these outer vests like we do. I'm just trying to position myself to when you. When we stand like this and we get a shooter stance, you guys can see my shoulders pinched together pretty easy, right, I mean, my damn elbows are pinching the mic here. That's my shooter stance, right, I get into it. But when I wear that vest, it's very, it's bulletproof, right, here comes out and it is so rigid, yes, so stiff, so it's hard to get a normal it's.
Speaker 1:It actually alleviates the pressure that the vest is putting on your arms to kick to, cant it a little bit? Um it, it's one of those things that used to be frowned upon because we just didn't know any better and somebody called it out and they didn't. There wasn't a lot of research that went into it, but now, especially with red dots, it's a common thing. Um it? It alleviates, uh issues with with aiming. So, um yeah, I, I like, uh, I don't think there's any need to keep going Uh it's unfortunate, and Houston can attest to this Anytime.
Speaker 3:I took somebody to the range for a recertification. You're wearing what you wear on the street and here in Texas in frigging June and July, when it's oh frigging hot 30 outside and you're sweating your ass off, you want to get through that qual. But I had them come and everything there on the street. Why? Because we deploy like that, we're going to qualify like it, so I'm going to get them through it as accurately and quickly as possible to get them back in there and their cruiser, cause we have no air conditioned buildings out there or anything.
Speaker 3:But you have to wear what you do on the street and you've got to be able to come out and do that. And I know my guys hated me and I'm getting them to lay down on there and they're nice blue patrols and we're going through the AR-15 drills and then we're going through the Glock or SIG, whatever they're wearing drills and it was uncomfortable and I did the same thing to myself you lead by example as well as Houston did when he was training on different things. But that's why we do it. When it comes to a situation like this. It's going to be commonplace for that muscle reaction, muscle memory when you're coming up and unfortunately, god going to be commonplace for that muscle reaction, muscle memory when you're coming up and unfortunately, god gave me these shoulders that that doesn't fit much places.
Speaker 3:It's hard to wipe your ass, dude. Oh, I'm not gonna go there, man. I mean you gotta rob that thing up anyway. So you friggin. When you punch that stuff out there, yeah, it's gonna look a little bit to the side, uh, because your triceps are extended and everything gets big on your on your not from being big built, just your body chemistry, and it's going to kick to the side like that.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm with you, harrison, I like green dots better than red. Now I read the description Real quick. I'll just give you kind of a brief synopsis. Basically, the guy was found with an illegal Glock 17 with an extended mag in his right pant leg. So he was running Right hand was reaching down. That's where the gun was located. It was on the right-hand side, so that helps in the description. They also recovered another handgun. It was a loaded Glock 43 with a defaced serial number. That makes a federal offense right there. It's probably a stolen gun. That's the most common thing when we see the serial number scratched away. And then they also found the rifle in the car. So everything that was said was true. This guy was out to cause some trouble and if I were to guess, there was some alcohol and drugs involved. Um, but what do I know? But all right, guys, that is, uh, it's been a hell of a show. Yep, great, it's been a hell of a show. Yep, been a great one. Uh, I, I think we, um, let's see. Uh, wade said I disagree.
Speaker 1:Cop, has a glock which is browning action tilt barrel when sideways you will miss left because it tilt barrel. It sounds like you're describing from a position of somebody that doesn't shoot and more of somebody that's describing something they heard. I can tell you from experience I can't. I do it at the range. It helps me, it shoots accurate, it shoots true. I shoot hundreds now on all my freaking things because I have a red dot. I tell everybody it's like a cheat code to shooting and we don't just shoot static, we shoot and move. The targets move, we move. So for a guy like me, that's an average shooter to turn into freaking john wick. That's how I feel with my red dot. I feel like john wick.
Speaker 3:It's like it's hard to miss um but make a freaking retard good with a gun. I don't mean that. Briefly, we have a lot of people in law enforcement that I've taken to the range, yeah, and we're like holy shit, man, I put a target in front of you and we're just at 10 yards, which is 10 to 25 is a long distance for a pistol to dial up accurately. And if they can't hit the broad side of a barn on that, they're not going to you tell you to ask houston, I'm not going to let him back out on the street. He ain't going to let him back out on the street unless we're accurate with that.
Speaker 3:And and you can't just sit there and shoot a paper, you've got to make it dynamic, they have got to move. They get, because what's going on? You know these guys only shot at paper their entire life and they're chasing after this guy. That's not paper running in front of them. They're not prepared for that situation. Maybe somebody else can get hit by that freaking stray round and I hate. Even you know you never want to end somebody's life. Um, that's the last thing you want to do as a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 1:And unfortunately, from what we read, I believe that gentleman lost his life that night yeah, um, yeah, but I I've shot, canted plenty with the red dot and I carry a Glock. I carry a Glock. What is it? 17, 19, 43., 21. I don't have a 21. What's the 40, cal? The 23. 23. I've got a 23 that was my grandfather's, that I converted to a 9. Actually, keep talking. It's in this room.
Speaker 3:I'll show it to you. Yeah, I'm sure he changed the upper on and got a new barrel and easy conversion on the Glock. But yeah, I mean no Houston man. Dude, this has been in the works for a year and because of your schedule as a law enforcement officer, it was so hard to get you here. And you're here. Oh, that's beautiful man.
Speaker 2:That's nice.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so hard to get you here and you're here. Oh, that's beautiful man, that's nice. Oh yeah, you can see, I turned it into a boba fett mandalorian gun which uh he's, he's in great he's uh engraved in the side and I've got what, what, uh, why this is going to be the thing that gets off youtube.
Speaker 3:But what? What sighting system do you have on that? I couldn't say see it.
Speaker 1:It's a Trijicon RMR. Oh nice, Okay With a cheap-ass, no offense nightstick, but your weapon-mounted light system is very inexpensive. So that's what's up.
Speaker 2:Nothing wrong with cheap and good Right.
Speaker 3:If it works correct and gets the job done, for either competition shooting or whatever.
Speaker 1:And that's all this is. Guys, this is a show pony, it is just for funsies. This isn't what I would carry anywhere. It's got a comp on there slotted slide all that stuff. So it's a fun gun. It shoots very true for a Glock and good stuff, but it's an airsoft gun. Yeah, but it's an airsoft gun. Youtube, it's an air gun, absolutely airsoft, yeah, airsoft, airsoft, block. It's not actually, it only says pew, pew. Wait, don't show it shit. I didn't know that, guys, they're, they're warning me, yeah my bad, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, if we get pulled down, actually we should probably end this really quick. Hey guys, um, real quick, if you want to support the show, I'm posting the. Uh, buy me a coffee. So youtube doesn't get all of our money. Uh, so I got that in the thing. Um, I'm gonna post the discord. Please jump on our discord everybody. Yeah, I'll probably be on there a little bit later. I want to grab a food, a snack item, and then, uh, yeah, jump on there. And then, um, but, yeah, uh, display, a firearm is not prohibited. Okay, cool, mag dump knows. Yeah, so we were just doing it for educational purposes. And then, um, yeah, so what else? We've got discord. We've got the buy me a coffee. We've got patreon coming. We've got a lot of new features that we plan to do with the discord. Um, so people that do have memberships are getting more for their money. Um, houston gas. Thank you very much for being a guest, sir, appreciate your story.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Code 3 Technology one more time. Clay Jespin and all his people, great people.
Speaker 2:Pretty good dudes.
Speaker 1:I will do my own inspirational ad that I'm making up for Code 3 Technology right now. If you're looking for the Amazon Prime of police technology and firefighters and first responders, find Code 3 Technology. That's the best way to describe them from an amateur.
Speaker 3:Based out of the great state of Arizona and now Houston is the Texas director of sales. You reach out to Houston Gas at what is it? Code3technologiescom Am I right on that, houston? Yeah, let me pull up. Yes. Code3technologiescom Am I right on that, houston? Yeah, let me pull up.
Speaker 2:Yes, code3technologycom, and you can find any and all of our information. And if you're an agency head, understand this. We don't want to sell you anything but a good relationship and know that we will be there to take care of whatever your needs are. We don't we we sell solutions, we don't sell products yep, I like it.
Speaker 1:And before we go, this is what we're talking about code three technology make sure you guys check out their page, see what they're all about. Wonderful place. Get your stuff there and just know that the people selling it to you have all done the job.
Speaker 3:I think we need to demo a couple of those drones. Let's text Clay tomorrow and make sure we can demo a few of those things here.
Speaker 1:The old face with the name right there. Yeah, you're already up there, buddy, yeah.
Speaker 3:He's got his daughter there and it's awesome man. They're one of the greatest organizations I've ever seen and I love so much that they hired Houston. All I did is intro them and Houston pulled it in man for the win. They're blessed to have him and Houston is blessed to have them, and it's a match made man. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1:Oh it's fantastic. I think overwhelmingly everybody loved you, loved your story and would more than willing to have you come back on.
Speaker 2:Anytime you'll have me, I am ready and willing. Thank you, guys, and everybody out there that listened. Thank you for listening, and whether you like us, love us, hate us doesn't matter. Let's just come together, okay, come together. We can agree to disagree sometimes and still be friends okay.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, I like it In a culture that seems to not. If you disagree with somebody about one thing, they write you off. That's not the way to be. We can disagree and still be friends.
Speaker 3:And Houston. When we go off, man stick around for a minute and we'll chit chat. Everybody watching man. Thank you all so much for coming in, taking the time away from your family to do this. We appreciate it more than you'll ever know.
Speaker 1:Yep man, I wish we could get Houston on the Discord right now, because I would love to just have our offline chat in the Discord. All right guys.
Speaker 3:We'll talk to him about it when we go out. Maybe he can download it and be on there for 10 minutes before he goes to.
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