Speed, Ego, and Acorns

Ever seen cops learn in public? We’re kicking off a 10-part Ready or Not mini-series where a handful of non-SWAT officers jump into a tactical sim, mic’d up, making real-time calls under pressure, and then opening the floor for a raw debrief. Expect teamwork failures, better comms by episode ten, and honest talk about why we choose de-escalation here, a hands-on approach there, or a less-lethal plan when it actually makes sense. It’s training and transparency rolled into one, with plans to invite youth from community programs to play alongside us and trade perspectives in a space that’s fun, tense, and surprisingly revealing.

From there, we shift gears into real-world lessons. We break down an elected constable’s heated, plain-clothes traffic stop that spirals across jurisdictions—exactly why markings, radios, and reasonable public recognition of authority matter. We dissect a sheriff’s cagey press moment after a deputy confronts teens off-duty, and why clear, direct leadership language builds more trust than well-rehearsed hedging. Balance that with a bodycam gem: an officer helping a stranded motorist without fishing for ID, proving that low-drama service calls are still the backbone of legitimacy.

We also revisit the infamous “acorn” shooting—how fear, poor judgment, and a single pop turned into a barrage at a cuffed detainee—and contrast it with a crisp, proportional punch that shut down a drunk assault at a concert. Then we end where hope lives: a dog leading officers to an elderly woman who collapsed in the brush, the kind of save that reminds us why this work matters far beyond headlines and hot takes.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome, Jerry Returns & Live Chat Woes
• 4:30 Announcing the “Ready or Not” Tactical Gaming Series
• 17:04 Why Play It: Training, Debriefs, And Community
• 24:34 Youth Outreach Through Gaming
• 29:49 Constable Traffic Stop Controversy & Jurisdiction
• 41:34 Sheriff’s Press Conference: Accountability Or Dance?
• 51:44 Good Policing: Roadside Help, No Ticket Fishing
• 1:00:04 Bounty Hunters, Rights, And Real Risks
• 1:13:34 The “Acorn Cop” Debacle Revisited
• 1:32:04 Use of Force Done Right: Concert Punch Clip
• 1:43:34 Off-Duty OIS After Road-Rage Crash (Milwaukee)
• 1:56:24 A Dog Saves Grandma: The Call You Remember
• 2:03:04 Wrap-Up, Events, Sponsors, And Community

Transcript

Welcome, Jerry Returns & Live Chat Woes

SPEAKER_07 0:00

Disclaimer, welcome to Two Cops One Donut Podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliate. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guests' opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition, and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language your discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I'm your host, Eric Levine. I got with me today my co-host, Banning Sweatland. What's up, Banning?

SPEAKER_09 0:57

What's up, brother? How are you?

SPEAKER_07 0:59

Living the dream. And I have our special guest back again, the one, the original OG, Jerry Worms from Cops. What's up, Jerry?

SPEAKER_11 1:08

I'm just really happy to be here again.

SPEAKER_07 1:10

Hell yeah, brother. We uh we had Jerry on before. And if you guys aren't familiar with Jerry, he is the very first cop ever on the TV show Cops. And now he is happily enjoying retirement, getting on a bunch of police podcasts, and uh, you know, spreading the wisdom that he gained over a lifelong career in law enforcement. Ain't that right, Jerry?

SPEAKER_11 1:33

Yeah, 31 years, and um I watch a lot of different videos and uh try to stay current with everybody, and I always uh kind of comment. I hope you don't mind all my comments on your stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:45

Not at all, sir. I love it. I I like that most of the time you and I pretty much align. So that that that gives me good feeling that um, you know, old school legend is uh is in cahoots with what I'm putting out there too. So it helps me out. Um just going over to see who's in the in the comments and and and who's checking in already. We got Steve Wallace checking in. What's up? Eye of the night, Jerry's in the house. Andy Fletcher, he came in here to give me some shit. Craig Holcomb is in the house. Uh Tim, one of our mods, is in the house. He said, smash that like button as in right now. I like it. Um, I don't know if you noticed uh banning um our names, there's no background to them on the and then when you show the comments there's no there's no background on those either. Yeah, it's a new feature on restream. So it's pretty cool. Fantastic. I know. Marines Bloods in the house, what's up? Mama G, Michelle, my memo, my mom. Um, and let's see, who else is there? King Pomegranate, Patrick True Love, Lacey R say greetings. Uh two cops one donut in the chat. Try exiting and going back to the video.

SPEAKER_09 3:05

Yeah, because your mom can't hear.

SPEAKER_07 3:07

Oh, she can't hear. Oh try opening your ears. That'll help. That's what she'd say to me. Uh, got you back, mom. Um, for some reason, I don't think the chat is going through on Facebook. Facebook check. Yeah, it is not showing up. And I don't know why. We haven't really. It says unable to connect.

SPEAKER_11 3:36

So you're live on on Facebook also?

SPEAKER_07 3:38

Normally I am. But for some reason it will not connect to Facebook today. Not sure what the deal is. So our Facebook fam, they don't uh they don't get any love today, I guess.

SPEAKER_09 3:57

That's different. It usually is always logged into Yep, you're right.

Announcing the “Ready or Not” Tactical Gaming Series

SPEAKER_07 4:01

It usually is. Let's see. I see Bannings is on there. So um, I just tried to do Facebook again. Facebook check. Nope. Doesn't look like it went through. Oh well. Shit happens. The Zuck's got us. But uh yeah, let's uh let's jump right into this, shall we? One of the things that we are we like to give updates first on what's going on with the show. Um so one of the things that we're gonna be doing, Jerry, is we have you ever heard of a game called Ready or Not? No. You've never heard of a game called Ready or Not. Okay. So what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna find a trailer for Ready.

SPEAKER_09 4:50

It's a it's a first person action shooter, from what I'm gathering, Jerry. Just to kind of PlayStation, Xbox, that type of thing.

SPEAKER_11 4:58

Um I don't I don't play Xbox or any of those. I've never gotten into that stuff.

SPEAKER_09 5:07

We're gonna we're gonna take our donut team and Eric can explain it better once he gets the deal up here, but we're gonna do this in donuts.

SPEAKER_07 5:15

So, Jerry, here's one of the things that we want to do. We're gonna get a bunch of dumbass cops on here, right? Me, Banning, maybe Matt Thornton, Deadleg, Trey. We're just gonna try to get four of us. We're gonna make this a 10-episode series, okay? Okay, and we're gonna see how it goes. But the whole point is one, to see us dummies try to figure out a police game that involves communicating, like your special operations team, like SWAT. And we're not SWAT, so some of us may have some SWAT training, I don't. Um, I think Banning and Matt are about the only two that's had any sort of SWAT training. So we're gonna take our normal patrol tactics and we're gonna try to play a game that involves tactics. And you've got all the whole gambit of options. You can bring a shield, you can you gotta pick your loadout, you know? Like if you want to bring flashbangs. Well, if you bring a bunch of flashbangs, you're not gonna have room for you know other equipment and stuff like that. So I'm gonna play this um trailer here. Let me uh let me hit play. This is the game. Like you get a mission at the beginning, and it's you in a four-man, it's a four-man squad, I believe. We're gonna play this. And this is basically how you usually start out. You're on the outside of a house. You're clearing it. You're giving it the main. And the idea is we're gonna be able to, you know, one, have fun, bullshit, you know, make fun of each other, um, make fun of ourselves as we struggle to play that game, because I think three-fourths of us, three-fourths of us are not gamers to begin with. Uh, I am a gamer. Um so that will be fun and interesting. But the other part is is we're gonna we're gonna do debriefs after each mission and allow people to ask questions and and be like, why the fuck didn't you do this? What about this? We can run scenarios where we just go through the whole thing trying to use less lethal.

SPEAKER_11 8:32

Who's controlling who's controlling the men and fire power stuff?

SPEAKER_07 8:36

Each person. So I would be in I would have my person, Bany would have his person. So you you're basically using your own avatar of yourself to go in and control it. Okay so you have to communicate. You've got it like we'll be talking to each other.

SPEAKER_11 8:51

And so we don't have controllers to make everybody do stuff.

SPEAKER_07 8:54

No, you won't have controllers, no. Um, but it it's just uh I think it's a different way to kind of connect with people for one, to kind of educate why we do what we do while we're doing it. And I don't know. I think it I think it's a different way to connect and and educate. So I think it'll be fun. And I can't wait to see the progress. I think the progress we make in in 10 episodes should be pretty good. What do you think, Man?

SPEAKER_09 9:24

I think it will be. You know, I I haven't really played these first-person shooters probably since 2013 to 2015, and uh I wasn't great at it. I mean, I'd rather do this stuff in real life, but I was able to, yeah, I you know, when those games come out, I used to go into the story mode and just uh kind of go through the story mode. And I think I'll be able to pick it up. I just definitely got to get this thing downloaded soon and get some practice on it. Yeah, you do.

SPEAKER_07 9:50

Uh Centurion Tactical goes, does Jerry get nunchucks? I don't think nunchucks are an option on the game, but if they are, we might have to get it. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_11 10:03

I think you're going to need something a little more powerful than nunchucks.

SPEAKER_07 10:06

Uh Mr. Oh, Mr. Billfold in the house, by the way. Uh, he said, that game is so bugged, y'all have hours of bloopers.

SPEAKER_09 10:16

I'm sure if the game was running completely smooth, we're gonna have hours of bloopers. Yeah. Uh you know, the this is not gonna be a huge SWAT team going to hit a house that goes and practices twice a week. This is gonna be uh guys uh going in there and and and do it for real that aren't real games. And I know Eric games, I know some of our other guys' games, so they're they're gonna be so much better than me. I'll do the best I can to help support the team, but I I am interested to see how it goes.

SPEAKER_07 10:44

Yeah, um, let me test one more time. Test for Facebook. No, it's still not showing up, but it says we're streaming to Facebook. I don't get it. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_09 13:54

Yeah. I'm sure somebody can tell us in the comments if they're watching it on Facebook or not.

Why Play It: Training, Debriefs, And Community

SPEAKER_07 13:59

Is what it is, uh, Mr. Billfold. What are the TCOD crew gonna do when the hostages run into gunfire at full speed? I don't know, we'll see.

SPEAKER_11 14:08

I should go get my son, he'll probably be able to because he plays all those black ops games and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 14:13

Yeah, so one of the things that we want to do as as this progresses, because we want to see how the first season goes. So if we do an eight to ten episode season, you know, see the progress, we'll learn how to play the game better, you know, and hopefully we're communicating and improving. And then I think we open it up to invite like um Matt Thornton is one of the people that is a part of the network here, Jerry, and um he runs a non-profit for troubled youth. And I think that would be awesome to invite those guys on to play to get them on to come play against a bunch of cops. And his his are like inner city youth that are you know in gang violence and and and all sorts of things. So um how many people did Matt say had been shot out of I think 90 of the kids that he deals with have been shot. I mean, it's just a crazy number. So um I think it would be really fun to get those kids on, give them a chance, one, to not have to worry about the streets for a little bit, two come on and play with a bunch of cops and and talk shit and and and kind of see how we see things. I think it'd be fun. What are you giggling about, Benny?

SPEAKER_09 15:27

They could actually come and they don't have to worry about uh us getting onto them or anything like that. We're just we're doing this as a as a big unit. Um you know, I don't know much about this game. I just watched the trailer uh for the first time. Uh I don't know if if you can go if if people can go in there and play op four or or bad guys, what that's known at. I don't I don't know how it's set up.

SPEAKER_07 15:46

If it's uh I think it's just you against the it's it's us four against the computer. Gotcha. And um it it doesn't matter if you play the same scenario, the scenario is always different. So we may be hit in the same house, but the rooms may be set up slightly different. The the the interactions with the you know victims and suspects and all that stuff can be different. And then one of the cool parts is like you can talk to them, like you can say, you know, show me your hands. If you don't do that, then there's a chance that they'll you know attack you or do something wonky. So commands and stuff like that, like you can talk yourself out of some engagement. So it it's a very interactive game. It's kind of it it's it's it's a it's a cop game, man. That's really all it is. It's a cop game. So I think it'll be fun. I think it'll be a different way for us to give back to our audience. We're we'll take a break, a hiatus, from doing this, from doing the the body cam breakdowns. So we will just swap the event and it'll be now be the ready or not. And um, I give a shout out to Craig. Craig sent us uh he sent out 20 memberships. Thank you, Craig. For all those that wonder where the the millions and millions of dollars go that um this show doesn't make, uh, it goes right back into the show, guys. Um, so we can do these ideas. Uh one of the things uh it looks like Tim got himself a membership, so I'm sure he'll appreciate that. But um, but truly thank you, Craig. Uh, we really appreciate that, brother. And uh the the cool part is the money that we get and we put back into the show gives us the opportunity to do the ready or not idea because we're gonna need two people minimum behind the scenes. We need somebody that's recording what we're doing, marking down times and all that stuff, and then another person to which would probably be Alan, uh, switching cameras and and and doing that so you can see like when banning's got got his, you know, he's doing something, and you want to see when if Jerry was playing and Jerry was doing something, like you'd be able to switch the cameras back and forth to the relevant person at the time. Because somebody's always into some something.

SPEAKER_09 17:59

And and while we're talking about this, are do you have availability to show what Chris Hatchett created as a uh with our avatars, our AI avatars on there? Are you able to show that?

SPEAKER_07 18:10

I don't know that I have it readily available. Give me a sec. I might I don't know if we have it on. Did he put it on Instagram?

SPEAKER_09 18:22

I don't think so. I don't think he's he just shared it to us in a group text.

SPEAKER_07 18:26

I mean I I was gonna say, other than that, I uh I don't have it. I don't have it available. Let's put it that way. Gotcha. I know we put it on Discord somewhere, but I don't have it readily, readily available. So and I don't want people to see that date and get all because it's we're not gonna do it on that date. Sure. Um we're we're looking for the first week of November. That's when we're gonna try to kick this off. We've been doing some of the logistics behind the scenes, um, but Marine Blood uh did not get one of those memberships, just so you guys know. So, in tradition, Jerry, I know you you're not drinking right now, but every time Marine Blood does not get a membership, we have to take a drink. So um I will be drinking some uh gifted barstone tonight, bar's Bardstown.

SPEAKER_11 19:16

And uh I'll take a little sip of my uh passion fruit. There you go.

SPEAKER_07 19:23

There you go. Hey to each their own. Salute, marine blood. Um speaking of, all right, has any this is not police related. There's a new marine show on Netflix I checked out called Boots. Yeah, never heard of it. I've gotten through about two-thirds of the first episode, and I don't think I'm gonna stick with it.

SPEAKER_09 19:52

That bad?

SPEAKER_07 19:53

Yeah, uh uh, I'm not sure. I I think it might be one of those things if you stick it out, it could be worth it. But I'm very much the type of guy, if you don't get me in that first episode, I'm probably not gonna stick around. Like The Office.

SPEAKER_09 20:08

I I hated the office. Is it a documentary at Paris Island? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 20:14

It's a show, but it's it's based around Paris Island. It's a they it's I'm gonna have to watch one of them. Yeah. You you you're gonna text me and you're gonna be like, you motherfucker. I can't wait for uh Mr. Billfold to see it.

SPEAKER_09 20:28

Uh I just uh I get really prideful when somebody does it correctly, obviously, with the branch that I served in, or I'm sure you would too with the Air Force. Uh but when they when they botch it or they're not correct or the uniforms are off, and the Marines are very, very for good reasons, picky with their uh alignment on their uniforms. Uh when somebody botches that, I get in every movie I watch, I I think I want to go slap the shit out of somebody who's on that set that dressed the actor to look like a Marine. There's only a couple movies out there that do it correctly.

Youth Outreach Through Gaming

SPEAKER_07 21:01

Well, I saw the what drew my attention to it, um, and for Mr. Bill Fold, he said, are you guys gonna play on Xbox, PlayStation, or PC? I'm gonna be on PC. So um, I don't I don't do console, I'm above it. But uh anyway, somebody on Instagram hedged it was a former Marine that was on the set, so he was the guy that was telling them what to say, what to dress, all that stuff. So they did have a Marine on there. Just don't know how how good he was. Um, Mr. Belfold, I am pre-crucible marine, I won't recognize half that shit.

SPEAKER_09 21:36

That's too bad. I was the first I was in Platoon 2072 Golf Company, and we were the first uh platoon to go through the full crucible back in '97.

SPEAKER_07 21:48

Damn.

SPEAKER_09 21:49

Uh so it was pretty pretty neat to have. I think they had what Parade magazine and some other media outlets at the time to to watch that. And it was an absolute shit show because we have it was amazing at the end of what you got to go through. Uh, but these these these drill instructors were learning it too. And and I understand now on why they do that, and it really confuses your brain, and it truly puts you in the a times of war uh fought. And so I I I wish all cops could kind of go through an experience of that because we do go through the ringer out here on the streets, and to have better mental preparation to do that truly helps.

SPEAKER_07 22:24

Yeah, I wish people knew about the Air Force Crucible because it 36 holes. You cannot take a golf cart, you have to walk it, carry your own bag, which is bullshit, and then anything in the bunker you're responsible for for clearing out, you know, your divots and whatnot. And I like, bro, you cannot make me do that stuff. I am I'm above that, and to not have a caddy, like, come on.

unknown 22:51

Right.

SPEAKER_07 22:52

Jerry's like, you fuckers. Jerry, did you do military at all? No, no military? No, no worries, you didn't miss out on a whole lot, I promise.

SPEAKER_11 23:05

I was uh very I was very close to getting drafted to go to Vietnam, and they probably six months before I would have been drafted, I they uh they stopped the draft.

SPEAKER_07 23:16

That whole don't ask, don't tell saved you, right?

SPEAKER_11 23:19

Yeah, I mean I registered for the draft. I was all set, I was set to go.

SPEAKER_07 23:25

Yeah, well, bro, I'm glad you didn't.

SPEAKER_11 23:28

Yeah, there's a lot of guys came back that got really messed up there.

SPEAKER_07 23:33

Marine blood is giving me he said, Wow, Eric, that sounds so hard. It was, guys.

SPEAKER_09 23:39

Oh I'm telling you. Oh, marine blood. We we we uh we get on each other all the time about the military BS, and that's what's great, is these different branches can do that.

SPEAKER_07 23:48

So talking shit to each other. Uh Mr. Bill Fole, you see, he's jumping out already. The Navy crucible includes 72 hours picking up powdered soap. Too funny. Oh shit. My mom said, if you can't do all that, then you're not a real golfer. Well, oh I'm an Air Force golfer. There's a difference, Mom. Steve Schlager said, uh, the all 36 by yourself? Question mark. I know. Now you see the struggle, guys. Don't go Air Force unless you want to be super whoa. You'll cut you'll come out of there an operator, I promise.

SPEAKER_09 24:31

Make you tell your pigeon story again.

SPEAKER_07 24:33

Yeah, right. All right. So uh second part of what we do. We we first part we usually talk about news, things that we got coming down the pipe. Uh second thing we do is we talk about some of the social media that we posted and got a lot of good feedback. Well, got a lot of feedback. It's not always good. So, Jerry, you're gonna like this part. Gonna watch some video and and discuss. It's not quite the body cam live thing that we normally do. Um, this is just uh discussing some people's points of view. So we are going to share this screen. Unfortunately, it doesn't show the largest picture in the world when we do this. That is about as large as that picture is gonna get on Instagram. I cannot do a biggie size on this, but um we're going to watch this and go.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

What are you doing? What are you doing? Why?

SPEAKER_15 25:33

No, she comes. Sure, we're running 50 miles an hour, she's running 80 to 50 miles an hour. I'm a constant Jefferson County Constable. Okay.

SPEAKER_16 25:39

Oh, you run light down here, but there she is. Okay, that vehicle there. Yeah, okay. Let me pull it. Yeah, you let's all move over there.

SPEAKER_07 25:47

So if you didn't catch that, he's pretty upset about this car doing 50 to 80 miles an hour, somewhere in between there. He's a constable. He's not in uniform. His car is unmarked. Uh, it's got a little bit of it looked like it had some in the dash lights, maybe, um uh in his unmarked personal vehicle.

SPEAKER_09 26:09

And and and let's let's be real, he's the elected constable.

SPEAKER_07 26:12

Yeah, elected, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 26:13

Yep, yep. He's the elected constable, and he's I'm not sure, and I'm not gonna down the guy because I don't know him personally. Uh, but when you're doing a traffic stop and and and that thing, and then you're dressed like he is, even with my experience, if somebody came up to I would be questioning some things, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 26:32

Yeah, it's uh it's not good jumping out of your car like that. He just had a badge around his neck. Yeah, you know, that's yeah, how do you know he's not you know uh imposter?

Constable Traffic Stop Controversy & Jurisdiction

SPEAKER_07 26:43

And no no radio in the car, nothing like that. Um what's that? Did he have a gun? He I don't I can't see it. Not I haven't seen it yet. Okay. Okay. You need to he might, but it's underneath that shirt and and them old ass titties he's got. That dude is Jerry. That's he might be older than me. That's what I'm saying, Jerry. This is the difference. You guys might be the same age, but you took care of yourself. This guy, he did not.

SPEAKER_11 27:20

Well, I don't I don't need to wear a bra.

SPEAKER_07 27:22

Yeah. So here's my here's part of my problem already. You're in an unmarked car, you're not in uniform, you're dressed like a sloppy mess, you you're acting crazy. Who gets this upset about a traffic stop? Because it was speeding. And a little bit of backstory in case you die you guys haven't seen this or don't know. The lady fled from him when he got out of the car because she goes, This ain't even a fucking cop. And she took off after pulling over.

SPEAKER_09 27:54

So in a defense to prosecution, that's gonna stand all day long. I don't care what state you're in. Well, what jurisdiction is this?

SPEAKER_07 28:01

I I'm not a hundred percent sure. I do know as we get this video kicked off a little bit more. This guy, this constable is no longer in his jurisdiction. It started in his and then it ended in this guy's so that, okay?

SPEAKER_15 28:18

For your back of life, that was happening. You're gonna make it my thing. You're gonna just stop side.

SPEAKER_13 28:26

I was scared. You're not in a police car.

SPEAKER_15 28:28

That is a police vegetables.

SPEAKER_13 28:30

You're not in a uniform. How do I know that?

SPEAKER_07 28:33

She got a point. I'm with her. I am with her on this one. And he's acting like a nut. If you're if you're gonna pull someone over, like why why why are you letting speeding get you that worked up?

SPEAKER_09 28:50

It's it's got mall security written all over it. I'm sorry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 28:53

Here's my problem. He jumps out of the car. Let's say the people that he's you know confronting have a weapon, he has no radio with him, there's people don't even know where he's at. God forbid he gets into a a confrontation or a shootout. What's he gonna do?

SPEAKER_07 29:12

Right. He's got no recourse because nobody even knows he's out on it. Yeah. Mr. Milfole goes, that dude's first service weapon was a dragoon. Holy shit. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_09 29:23

And I used to drive a uh a dragoon just so he knows. Uh throw up uh King Pomegranate's post. That's this is a good one to talk about because I've heard this my whole law enforcement career, and I want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_07 29:37

It's totally different than an officer. They have to buy all their own equipment and they get paid by the job they do. He can't affect arrest without a judge judge's warrant.

SPEAKER_09 29:47

So so here in the state of Texas, and it's also the same in Oklahoma, if you're a constable, if you're the elected official, and you sometimes, depending on the size of your office, you're gonna have several deputy constables. They are Texas peace officers. They have the same authority as the city of Dallas, Houston, Austin, uh, any of them, or smaller agency, the same arrest. They are a basic peace officer. And just because they're working for the constable's office only means that their primary job is usually out serving civil process. That can go from serving somebody's civil papers on divorce, a lawsuit coming up. Uh they do some different things for for bankruptcy. They they've got a whole gamut of things that they do, but they can absolutely enforce traffic law. As a matter of fact, a few years ago, uh the Dallas County, their constables were out there helping with all the speeders on the highway. Now, not a lot, not a lot of people agreed with what they did as they got a whole bunch of constable cars and they were slowing them down on 635, and I believe it was uh Interstate 30 to keep everybody at the posted speed limit. They eventually stopped doing that. But they they are marked, they have dispatch, they usually utilize county dispatch, but but they are peace officers, and they don't need a judge's order to go out there and run traffic. Now, that's Texas and Oklahoma that I can speak on that confidently about.

SPEAKER_11 31:07

Now, are they are they just from the from that particular county or they have statewide jurisdiction?

SPEAKER_09 31:14

It would depend on the charge. So any peace officer in the state of Texas has uh jurisdiction in the entire county for a Class B uh and above. So if you were to see a drunk driver just as an example and you're off duty, you can technically uh make an arrest, not that you would, in in the county. Statewide, you can do anything for you know state jail felony and above. So it's uh statewide jurisdiction, absolutely, when it comes to letter of the law, but class C stuff, which is traffic type stuff and lower end stuff, you would have to be on duty and you're never in your normal uh performance duties.

SPEAKER_07 31:51

Yeah, uh on this, um I I don't know enough about constables. So uh that's why I don't speak too too hard on this video um because I just don't know what they're allowed to do, what they're not allowed to do. So I just focused on what they shouldn't have done. Doesn't matter what their jurisdiction is on here. This could have been a regular old city cop for all I care. Like Jerry was pointing out, you didn't call it out. This officer just happened to stumble upon this going on. Um, and then the guy literally like cuts off the officer's vehicle, follows her up up over the curb to come get behind her, which was insane. So, and now let's uh let's keep going here.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

You are yelling at me! You're in my channel now. Back up.

SPEAKER_07 32:47

So the rule is the marked unit in the marked in in the fully uniformed officer doesn't matter, has priority.

SPEAKER_09 32:54

That's it.

SPEAKER_11 32:55

That's the rule I'd always say.

SPEAKER_07 32:56

Is that what you had, Jerry?

SPEAKER_11 32:58

Yeah, he's got to take yeah, he's got to take over because now the the lady in question knows that there's a real police officer there.

SPEAKER_07 33:05

Yep. Yep. So in in my opinion, the officer that is telling him to back up, he's in the right. I like that he's taking control. And in this guy, just like in like in sports, in anything, he's too emotionally hijacked. You have to cut him off. Like you should not let him be a part of this anymore. And he doesn't see it. He's he's emotionally charged, he's not thinking logically, and he's not acting reasonably.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

I need to kill out. You need to kill out. Just go there.

SPEAKER_07 33:40

I will kill it. There's the ego. Yep. There's the ego. Don't you tell me what to do. This is my stop. Nope. You don't get a stop. You're not in uniform, buddy. Um, nor should you be able to do that. Oh, yeah. I'll give you an update when we get done with this.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Hey, do you know what jurisdiction you're in right now? Yes, I know. It don't matter. I come back in jurisdiction with my iPhone chasing her.

SPEAKER_07 34:04

Yeah. That's not how jurisdiction works. You yeah, you you were chasing her and you chased her across your jurisdiction, but your jurisdiction, if if your jurisdiction in your state rules that you have a limit to your jurisdiction, you have to call ahead and get permission to keep continue. You don't do that.

SPEAKER_11 34:20

Did you say I was pacing her? Chasing her.

SPEAKER_07 34:26

I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 34:26

I don't have the ability to- I thought I heard him saying I paced her.

SPEAKER_07 34:30

I think he no, he chased her. He chased her across jurisdiction.

SPEAKER_11 34:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 34:35

Yeah. And in Texas, just to just to because it's going to rattle until I talk about it. But in Texas, let's say, let's use two different counties, and you have a constable in one county that's buttoned up to the next one, and this chase happened at the county line and it ended like this. You know, a good constable would say, hey, okay, do your thing. If you have any enforcement, that's fine. He can obviously go write an arrest warrant later. However, with the way he's dressed, the way he conducted business, there's a lot of factors here, defense to prosecution to where a good DA is going to have this thrown out, andor a good county judge, depending on what level uh of incarceration he's trying to search for, if he's wanting to arrest her other than just a traffic citation. Uh, I think that they would throw it out just based on his dress and everything out, depending on the state that this guy's in, obviously.

SPEAKER_11 35:20

He also mentioned something about speed. What what what is he using to measure speed?

SPEAKER_07 35:25

That's yeah, that's one of the things I pointed out. Is like you're either eyeballing it or you're pacing with your vehicle, which isn't calibrated. Yeah, when's the last time you calibrated your personally owned vehicle that uh according to Marine Bloody, has like some small sticker on it uh on his doors? Uh I I don't I don't count you having your own personal little sticker on there as being a mark a truly marked police unit. So yeah, you may be able to try to argue that in court, but everything's based on reasonableness. Is it reasonable for that driver to be able to see that small ass sticker? Because I still I've watched this video three or four times. There's nothing that shows me it's clearly marked. So it needs to be visible to a driver that's passing by, or not something that I need to be up on top of to be able to read. So it's a it's about reasonableness. So I don't think that qualifies. Um, but let's keep going here.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

Everybody, that does not look like a police back up. Yeah, get a dip.

SPEAKER_15 36:30

I'm not arguing this stuff. Get over there. Don't kill me. She has been looking for killable. She's pulling away from the perfect stuff.

SPEAKER_02 36:41

Okay, don't figure that out in a second. Let her remember you're in Montana, okay? So you're gonna kill them. You're gonna leave it in your jurisdiction anymore. You need to be in the monitor. Did you let family know that you were coming? No, no, exactly. So I don't know any of this is true. You know, you can't you understand no? I'm not arguing with you.

SPEAKER_07 37:02

Woo! I love it. Um so long story short, that constable is no longer a constable. They forced his ass into retirement. Um I I I would have I would have been okay with charges on that guy. A hundred percent. Because he acted completely out of pocket, over speeding. That was the whole reason that he decided to chase somebody. Not in he you hear him admit it on this his guy's camera that he didn't even inform anybody that he was doing it. So, to your point, Jerry, nobody fucking knew. And you're just chasing. And to this officer's credit, he goes, So, how do we know what you said is true? You didn't even call it in. So, uh, yeah, that I I got.

SPEAKER_11 37:53

Well, maybe in the end of his career, he's getting a little too nutty. I I don't I mean, at the end of your career, you need to chill out.

Sheriff’s Press Conference: Accountability Or Dance?

SPEAKER_07 38:00

Yeah, I agree. I think that um I think that there I'm not gonna say it's a specific age, but for everybody it's a little different. When you hit a certain age and these little stupid ass things make you nuts and piss you off, you know, I think that's a that's a clear indicator that it's time to hang it up. And you guys all know somebody in your family. You're like they're just ranting and raving. Ah, Agnes left her fucking trash can on my side of the driveway today. Bitch, if I see her, I'm gonna get like you're like, Jesus Christ, relax. Like that didn't bother you ten years ago, but now it it pisses you right off. Like I think there's something to that. What are you looking at, Banning?

SPEAKER_09 38:52

Just reading the comments, coming down. Yeah, you know, there's there's different laws in different states, but then there comes to the custom of are you presenting yourself correct no matter what state you're in? Yeah. What what is what is a normal, readable, reasonable, and prudent person gonna think when you get out of a vehicle like that?

SPEAKER_07 39:07

I'm disappointed in this message by Tim. He said Discord has the rest of the videos on that guy. I would have said something like, hey guys, want to see the rest of the videos about that person? Shoot on over to two cops one donut discord. Check it out. We got it. Just gonna give Tim shit tonight. Tim, you're on my list tonight. Freaking meth meth Santa Claus. I don't know if you guys ever seen that video where uh between two ferns when um Zach Galfinakis is making fun of uh David Letterman. He's like, I'm talking about meth Santa Claus. Uh Mr. Bill Fold said it's not nutty, it's indicative of what police culture has been for decades. Get away, getting away with that type of shit was easier when cameras weren't around. I mean, you're not wrong. It would have been easier to get away with shit like that when cameras weren't around. But guess what? They are around, and that officer stuck up for what was right.

SPEAKER_11 40:09

So change with the times.

SPEAKER_07 40:12

Yep. Yep, everything, you know, there was there was a time when our presidents were using racial slurs during speeches. Times have a changed. So um, let's keep going here. And we'll go to over to the next video. Okay, I'm gonna set this one up a little bit. You guys remember the video, the crazy ass deputy squires that comes out with his gun at these kids? Remember that one, Banning?

SPEAKER_09 40:43

I do. It was a couple shows ago.

SPEAKER_07 40:45

You're gonna see a little reminder of that, but here we got a sheriff talking about it at a press conference, okay? So I'm gonna share this and then uh kind of give my feedback on this one. You guys tell me if I'm way off on this. So play.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

And I can I can also see how the average citizen sees that video and just goes in the shop as to what they see. But again, knowing what I know about the investigation today versus what I do about it on Sunday night and Monday of this week, uh I'm not I'm not saying that the video will ever get video uh and there are circumstances that led up to it, there are circumstances that led up to the jury uh and things that happened thereafter. But I can tell you from from from my position, looking at it demonstratively, there is a hope of politics of any and all, in combination or individually, would uh cause termination of the employee. I get what the sheriff's saying.

SPEAKER_07 41:48

Alright, so to me, okay, I give you my opinion, and Jerry and Banning, you kind of tell me what you think. It's the tiptoeing bullshit. Just say what you mean. Say what you know the people came there to listen to you say. Hey, we fucked up. This is what we found, this is the backstory of what we know so far. And here's what we've done about it. That's it. It's really simple. But no, the sheriff went and did this dance and really said a whole bunch of nothing.

SPEAKER_11 42:23

What about what about he said he was terminated? Was there any criminal charges?

SPEAKER_07 42:28

Right. You can let us know you're you're looking into criminal charges, or no, we're not looking into like you there you can be forthcoming without ruining an investigation, without tainting any sort of pool of you know, potential jurors or anything like that. There's a lot you could have said, and you you just you danced, you you turned into a politician. And you guys, and the thing is, is they really did a good job. They they came in, they came in hot, they pulled his gun and badge almost immediately. They fired him like a day or two later, and then um, I think they even tried to uh there was claims that he didn't that that the cops on scene wouldn't give him a DWI test to see if he had been drinking, and that wasn't true. What had happened was he refused, they don't have PBTs, portable breathalyzer tests. So because they don't have the PBTs, they had to take him back to the sector to do the um breathalyzer. And they said on scene on body camera that they believed alcohol was involved. So they went to try to get him breathalyzed and he refused.

SPEAKER_09 43:33

And it and just to add to that, I think this was in what Beauford, South Carolina is if I read that right. Uh, I'm sure they still have a law to where, you know, IA or his commander or however that department is set up, they could have very well, because he's presenting himself at work, he's got the badge going. Why not write a warrant and get the friggin' blood? You know, if he's presented himself that way, do it. Period. Get the blood, be done with it. If the blood comes back in a certain way, then we're going criminal. And you've got other stuff to go criminal on. I have not seen the entire video. But however, I believe just from watching this short little clip, we have enough to go on criminal charges, charges as it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 44:15

And that was an ag assault, right? I mean, it was an ag assault against those kids.

SPEAKER_07 44:19

Yeah, I mean, it depends on what he says. Basically, the video that I saw, the the larger video is the kids are walking down a neighborhood. This guy, the deputy, comes up on an ATV. It looks like there may be a beer bottle on the ATV, and he's questioning the kids why they're in the neighborhood and who they are. And the kids are like, fuck off. Like they're being teens. And uh he he drives off and he comes back in a truck and then he starts riding next to them, asking them who they are, why they're there, and they're jawjacking at each other. Now it's just ego, ego, ego on both sides. And I don't know if he presents himself as a deputy yet. But then he comes back to what you saw, him trying to sloppily throw on his vest, pointing his gun, in his hey dudes and shorts, and acting a fool. All over what? Kids walking in the neighborhood, and then he tried to claim that one of them pointed a gun at him and then hid it in a backpack. There was no gun found, there was no nothing. Um and then a couple citizens came over to help out the officer, and there were some people that got butthurt about the citizens helping him out. And I'm I said I thought it was a good thing that the citizens helped because it kept everybody honest. That officer, if those citizens hadn't come over there, he would have been able to claim that he was outnumbered and felt like that these kids were trying to attack him. Because they they were being rowdy a little bit, they were being semi-resistive, so it could have got real bad real quick. Um, and those citizens coming over, I think, actually helped out everybody. So um Brandar 86 said he needed to still make it sound uh he had the police unions back. If he sounded like he was against the police, he would have been shunned. Yeah, it's a pol it's a it's a political game with sheriffs because they're elected. Uh it's just man, you there's so many sheriffs that stand on business, you know? And I I I don't know. I just I feel like I don't feel like he stood on anything on that. I feel like he just kind of it was just a vague generalization to placate everybody. And I was like, damn, dude, just just talk with your heart. That's how I kind of saw it.

SPEAKER_09 46:38

Well, what what you stated to begin with, a dance. That's 100% what that was. It was a dance because he didn't have all the answers he wanted yet to be able to present uh to the general public. But as a sheriff, as your elected official, that's usually the highest law enforcement person uh in that county, you've got to be able to come out there and stand your ground. Either you know your deputy was wrong or you knew he was right, and these are the actions you're gonna take, and you're gonna do it swiftly. I mean, that's the only way uh to get the people to understand that you're you're here for the community and and the law enforcement in general, but it's gotta be it's gotta be for the community itself, period. Yeah.

Good Policing: Roadside Help, No Ticket Fishing

SPEAKER_07 47:16

Mr. Beth Fultz said, wait, a cop lied about the presence of a gun to justify use of force? I don't believe you, Sergeant Levine. Oh shit, I miss his sarcasm. But you know, like I said, we we've kind of discussed that actual call, and obviously everything that should have happened, in my opinion, happened. Dude got his gun and badge taken away right away. Investigation came underway and he was fired very quickly. Like it was very quick because the the video evidence was just overwhelmingly damning of this guy. And um him refusing to take the breathalyzer, that got him fired right away. And the sheriff actually um acknowledged that that that was one of the things that okay, if you're not gonna take a breathalzer, you're fired. And so the sheriff did stand on business when it counted, but like I said, the the whole press conference thing was just so phony to me. I just damn, I just want you to speak from your heart. Um and what's funny, I'm gonna share the screen again. I just noticed this. Uh share screen. I don't know if you can see it, but Jerry, your comment was right there. In reality, whether on duty or off-duty, police are held to a higher standard. That is something you know going into the profession. Having arrest powers is a large responsibility, and acting accordingly and professional is what all cops should strive for. So I like it, sir. I like it. So let's uh all right, we're gonna exit out of that one. Um we got two more of these little Instagram videos that I'm gonna show. Jude Ramsey said, hit that like button. I like it. I like it. Um all right, let me share screen. Share. Okay. Um, so this video is a, you know, we show a lot of high stress, you know, traumatic things. And this is uh this is one that just kind of hit me in the feels of of cops doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_14 50:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 50:39

Okay. So I'll tell you what I really liked about that. One, the officer didn't get all ID crack on him. Okay, since I came out and talked to you, can I get your ID? No, he went out there for just to help. And there's no law enforcement action here, so there's no need to go after ID. And he gave this guy a bunch of great tips. And one thing that did irritate me is some people in the comments were like, Well, if he's doing such a good job, why do you let him stand on the side of the road for so long while I was da-da-da-da-da-da-da? Shut up. Shut up. He came out there to help. He helped.

SPEAKER_11 51:18

The cop did everything except change the tire.

SPEAKER_07 51:21

Right. Yeah. And I'm good, I'm just going to assume that he called a truck because he didn't have a tire to change. So um, I thought I thought that that was a great, a great interaction, a great example of how to do police work in a different capacity and and and build trust with the community. And I don't think we see that enough. I know this happens all the time. I really do. I know this happens all the time, but nobody's pulling body cam footage for this. We got lucky. Like we get lucky when we see the good stuff. Nobody gives a shit when we do cool shit. The only time it's very rare anybody pulls the good stuff. So I think that's why I think it's important to show the good stuff. Because otherwise we're just gonna uh I've talked about this so many times, but if we always show the bad stuff, man, it's just gonna eat us alive. I won't I want you guys to see the good stuff too.

SPEAKER_11 52:17

Well, that makes you know, the bad stuff always makes the news, you know. So that's that's what people kind of dwell on.

SPEAKER_07 52:25

Yep, yep, I agree.

SPEAKER_11 52:27

Um you know, getting back to that previous video, you know, off duty stuff, um in my in my career, I've seen more guys get in trouble off duty than on duty.

SPEAKER_07 52:42

Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Yep.

SPEAKER_11 52:46

Drinking and driving, doing dumb shit, yeah, getting in fights and just throwing their throwing the badge out whenever they can to get out of stuff. And you know, like I said, you're off, you're you're responsible on and off duty. It doesn't matter. You're you're held to a higher standard.

SPEAKER_07 53:04

Yep, yep. If you start throwing that badge around, military guys will do this with me too when I'm when I was working in the streets as a cop. Oh military. I'm like, then you fucking know better. You know better. Like, now I'm gonna get a hold of your fur shirt and let them know. Because they're gonna make your life way more miserable than a simple ticket that I was probably gonna have to do for you, you know, having a mutual fight over here.

SPEAKER_09 53:29

I uh when I was a rookie, I think I was caught for three years. I was in I was in canine uh working down in the in the DFW area, and I stopped two Marines that were on 10-day leave after uh boot camp and they were getting ready to go to their MOS school, and they basically uh were coming down a residential going into a commercial zone, so from 35 into a 45. Um and when I when I popped them with radar, you know, they were 11 over and got them pulled over. It's the officers' discretion of what they want to do. Uh, they both pulled out their little cat cards. Hey, man, and they could see my tattoo, my EGA underneath my sleeve because I had crop sleeves at the time and a young cop doing retarded things with my uniform. So marine stuff. That's code for marine stuff, and uh other than that other word. Anyway, I pulled both of them out of a car, it was a safe area, hardly any traffic, and I smoked them on the side of the road. And that's basically turning the little grass patch where they were at into a uh get healthy station. And we were doing uh jumping jacks, push-ups, sit-ups, everything right there for about three minutes, and and I and I wrote them a warning and sent them on away. Their unit was about to be deployed. I used the powers of the state of Texas gave me to give them a warning, uh, but we got strong together as a team. Now, I got down there and with them and did it. Now, I got a soft verbal reprimand from that from my lieutenant at the time, um, instead of just cutting them a warning or cutting them a citation and getting out, and I get it. I learned from that. But I truly believe that those two young Marines learned from that. That they need they are held to a higher standard. It doesn't matter if they've got their dress blues on, uniform on, Charlie's, doesn't matter. If you're a freaking Marine, you're out there and you're you're held to a higher standard, just like officers are when they're uh on or off duty, just like Jerry was stating in that comment.

SPEAKER_07 55:18

Yeah. Mr. Belfold's making funny. He said blousiness sleeves to show off the guns.

SPEAKER_09 55:23

Maybe a little extra thunder and lightning on traffic so that's my hair back then.

Bounty Hunters, Rights, And Real Risks

SPEAKER_07 55:27

Eye of the night. So the only reason I ever gave my military ID was getting pulled over, is because I had Michigan plates on the back and I didn't need a front plate. So they could so they could couple that with my registration. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, don't get me wrong. I you can tell when somebody's trying to just flash their badge or flash their military card to help try to get them out of something versus, you know, like I I've told people, I've told officers before, like, I've give them my ID, getting pulled over for speeding, uh, and I'm like, hey, there's a firearm in the vehicle, it's my off-duty weapon, and just letting them know. And they're like, because some states require CCW, some states, uh, if you're a law enforcement officer, they let you carry all these different rules. So um for me, I would my police ID was why I was allowed to carry. So that's the excuse I would use to let them know that there was a gun in the car. And uh typically you didn't get a ticket. So although in Montana I did get a ticket. So and I didn't say shit about it because I deserved it. I was uh my mom said that she never dropped me on my head, but I was hit hard with a flying hockey puck uh in one of my games in high school. Yeah, it knocked me out. Um, my left ear, yeah, yeah, she's right. And uh yeah, I was uh circling behind the net and somebody slapshot. I remember hearing the crack and like, oh, and uh next thing I know, I'm waking up off the ice, ears ringing, and coach drags me over to the bench, and probably five minutes later I'm like, I'm good to go now, coach, and I finished the game. The whole CTE thing wasn't a thing when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_11 57:23

Yeah, they didn't have that protocol with you know concussion protocol.

SPEAKER_07 57:27

Coach, I don't even think I was skating in a straight line, that's for sure. Uh Wade Lucero said in all caps like an old person. Uh a lot of Bond agent videos out trying to walk in house and trespassing, acting like cops saying they have the same power as cops. Like cops saying they have the same power as cops. It's not true. What you think? I'm not sure what you're asking there, sir. Uh Mr. Billfold said it's a coin flip. I had police tell me, slow down, double dog, and others toss my truck for an hour. It all depends on the cop. Yeah, very true. I think that's that's fair. Um a ticket in Montana, that means Eric was low-level flying. You're not wrong. No, I was in a Jeep. I was in a Wrangler. I ain't flying in a Wrangler, I promise you.

SPEAKER_09 58:27

You weren't going over 75.

SPEAKER_07 58:29

Yeah, no, I was probably going 70 and a 50 or something like that. I remember. Um yeah, it is what it is. I was speeding. I had to pay for it. Um but yeah, all right. Let me let me go to this last Instagram video real quick. Um I I really don't know shit about bounty hunters. I I never I don't think I've ever encountered a bounty hunter. Not on duty. Have you guys?

SPEAKER_11 59:01

Um, I have. I've yeah, you know, they're uh you know, they they have to show you the paperwork, and you know, you can't you can't affect the arrest for them, but sometimes you stand by while they're doing their job. Kind of like a guy doing a repo.

SPEAKER_07 59:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I know the rules and stuff uh as far as you know, they gotta have all the paperwork and whatnot, but I've never they I've never been called to a call that they were involved in, nothing.

SPEAKER_09 59:31

And I I I did several times.

SPEAKER_07 59:34

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_09 59:35

Oh, absolutely, man. They they were hopping and popping in one of the cities that I worked, and uh eventually one of the dispatchers, because he he'd always present himself on the phone calling the non-emergency number as agent schmuckatelli, let's call it that. And they're like, you know what, we're busy with 911 calls. Here's Sweatland's cell phone number, and gave this friggin' uh bounty hunter my cell phone number. Eventually I had to have that changed within about six months. This dude would blow me up 24 hours a day. Hey, we're gonna go serve a warrant. We'd love for you to come down. And we don't what I would usually do is I'd go down, look at their paperwork, and I'd say, Yep, looks to me like you have a felony warrant for for so-and-so. Good luck.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:11

You know, we can't, you know, there's just too much liability and bicycle's liability there to insert the department shoulder patch to go do that unless we're actively working an investigation for said person. So they would go do it. And then we would get calls from from houses. Hey, we got a guy jumping in our backyard looking in our windows. Well, now that's a suspicious person, so we're gonna go out there. And sometimes it was a bounty hunter. They were kind of it was kind of scary. Uh, you know, it kind of reminds you people that maybe didn't make it into police cat, whatever. You know, you can make all the jokes that you want, but I mean I I I experienced that, and it was kind of scary.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:45

Yeah. Um, Wade, okay, Wade clarified, he said, asking, Isn't it dangerous to walk into someone's house when you don't have the authority? I I don't I don't know that they can't. I don't know what the rules are for them for that. After I just said I know the rules and stuff about him.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:00

Uh he don't it's almost they have to know he's in there. Yeah, I was gonna say they have to know he's absolutely in there to get him.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if it's like especially when we said it's a wanted felon, like that yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:12

I mean, it's a guy that's you know, most of the time it's a guy that just doesn't, you know, jump spot. Yes, and then they gotta go get him.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:20

I'm gonna give a shout out to uh Montero, 2456, throwing us 50 bucks. Holy cow, on the super chat. Thank you so much. Um I don't know if this is our Montero, uh Ryan Montero that was on the show, uh, his dad or his mom. Um, because I think his mom's name is Carmela or something close to that. And uh the dad um was yeah, we talked to all three of them on LinkedIn usually. So um that's a big that is a big compliment. So thank you very much. Um and uh Montero said, uh, hey fellas, hope all is well. Banning, the beard looks majestic. Mr. Worms, you're a legend, sir. Hope we can talk sometime. Eric, I am glad things went well at the conference. Stay safer, you guys. Um, appreciate it. Thank you very much. Um again, guys. The donations is what makes the show possible. So it doesn't go in our pockets, none of that.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:21

So and he just said it's Ryan, it's Ryan, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:25

What's that?

SPEAKER_09 1:02:26

He just commented on there, it's Ryan.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:27

Oh, it is Ryan. Okay, cool. So he's on his YouTube account, that's what it is. Appreciate you, Ryan. Um Wade said exactly could be fake cops or robbers could meet a SR twenty five with tungsten. Yeah, yeah, you're you're not wrong. I mean, I think that people that defend themselves from a potential uh bond chaser um. Yeah, they they're opening themselves up to a really dangerous situation.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:59

And and I know a lot of people refer back to what was that dog the bounty hunter.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:02

Oh, dog the bounty hunter, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:04

Yeah, that was what down in Hawaii, if I remember right. Um and and they do have cause I when I was watching that show, I was I was a young cop when it came out, and I was like, Holy shit, I mean, some of the stuff that they were doing, I was like, I'm surprised they're not getting shot. They were carrying these pepper spray guns, they would see the one in person in the house, they would enter the house and and and take the guy into jail, and then at the end of the show, dog would have the guy sit in the backseat of their family minivan that doubled as a as a prisoner transport to the county jail or or whatever it was, and he'd pray for them. And I appreciated that part of the show. Um, but then again, it's like how much of that was true, how much of it was staged for for television, but obviously the laws in Hawaii are different than Texas uh in reference to bounty hunters, and I know Florida's got its own set of laws, Georgia, etc. They're they're different from when the bounty hunters go out there and enact their whatever power they have.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:56

Yeah, Mr. Billfold said when you bond out, you have fewer rights. You are trading those rights for temporary pretrial freedom. That's how that works, which makes sense. Um, yeah, it is weird. Um I I don't know, luck, or if it's just I just never had that come across, I guess. I don't know. Um show me the audits or show me audit said uh they said it's rope and the bondsman can yank it at any time, but each state gives its own authority on bounty bondsmen. That makes sense. Chaplin Campbell in the house saying, Hello, how are you, sir? Appreciate you being in here. Um Craig said that he operated in Hawaii and Colorado. Speaking of Colorado, I'm gonna be there 17th through the 22nd. Hope to see some of you guys out there. Uh, we'll be at the IACP. You gonna be out there, Benning? Did you find out yet?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:48

I'm not, I don't think I'm coming this year. Lame. So lame.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:54

What about you? Jerry, you're gonna be out of the International Association Chief of Police.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:00

Uh I don't think so. Um I'm gonna I'm gonna be at um they're having a big conference in Myrtle Beach in April, April 20th through the 24th. There's gonna be about 10 different people doing seminars, and they're they're volunteering their time to do it. And this is uh, I don't know if you know a guy uh beyond the barrel, Kenny, Kenny Williams.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:24

Kenny, yep.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:25

Yeah, he's kind of organizing that. Okay, and um I'm gonna be I'm gonna be going to that.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:31

Okay. Ask him why he didn't invite me.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:34

Well, um, there's plenty of time to invite you.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:38

Just give him shit. I've been trying to get him some training uh through the uh National Real-Time Crime Center Association. I think there's some uh interdiction stuff that could fit really well with what we got going on, so I want to get him involved.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:50

Yeah, he's a he's a great guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:52

Yeah, if you guys don't know Kenny Williams, he's known as Red Ninja um on Instagram, but dude's an interdiction guru, knows his shit. So real good dude. And he does uh Beyond the Barrel.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:04

Beyond the Barrel is his podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, really good. I just did one, I did one with him a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:11

Yeah. Craig said, Jesus, Eric's head is a ball puck magnet, huh? Well, yeah. The other part that you don't know, I got so I got hit in the face with a fastball batten. I got hit in the in the head with a hockey puck, a slap shot. Uh, and when I was really young, a dinosaur fell on my head at a at a museum. So uh yeah, I've had a whole bunch of crazy shit. I've been attacked by a Bronosaurus. Uh basically, it was this ginormous toy on the top shelf. Somebody on the other side of the aisle was trying to like get something and they knocked it off, and I was on the other side of the aisle, and the thing fell on top of my head and uh knocked me silly.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:56

So you've had more trauma as a kid than you did as a cop.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:00

I know, right? Jesus.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:03

Um Jerry, that podcast you just did, is it available on YouTube, etc.?

SPEAKER_11 1:07:07

Yeah, it's on yeah, just um you could just go beyond the barrel or put my name in and it'll come up. Good deal.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:15

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:16

Um, Mr. Billfold asks, are you playing uh ready or not with DLC? I don't know what that means. Do you know what that means, Banning? Uh no. Uh uh. I don't know what that means. I'm playing on Steam. What's DLC mean?

SPEAKER_09 1:07:35

I can't think. I don't know if the acronym if it's an acronym for shot or what it is.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:39

I don't know. He says, I bet he jumps at acorns. No, as we discussed on our Instagram live the other day, my house is surrounded by acorn trees. So was my other house prior to this house. I have, you know, made myself completely calm around acorns. So I've done the training. The other officer, however, that mag dumped did not do the train. Ugh, Mr. Billfold, I stuck my head out of the window of my dad's Mustang to look at a guinea hen on the road. And the hen hit me on the head and exploded into a burst of feathers.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:25

And that's why he joined the Marine Corps.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:29

Downloadable content.dlc is content later released. Okay. I still don't understand what you're asking me. What is that? What is he asking?

SPEAKER_09 1:08:46

I guess we're gonna have to know more about that platform before we can answer that.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:49

I'm not sure what we're gonna we're gonna stream it on here. Does that help? I don't know what you're asking me. Oh shit. Danger, Will Robinson. Danger, aircorns, acorns are a foot. Oh, that poor guy. I truly do feel bad for that dude that thought he was hit.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:12

I'm hit? Did you ever see that video, Jerry? Which one?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:17

The the acorn guy? Oh, Jerry. No. Jerry, Jerry. We gotta pull that one up if you haven't seen that one.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:26

Oh Lord. And Mr. Billfold said the DLC are missions for the game. Admissions for the game? Missions. They're the missions for the game.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:37

Oh yes. Yes. We got the home invasion. We got we got all of them. So yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:43

Um evening, Nina, we see ya.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:51

Okay, let me pause this. Jerry, you are in for a treat, my friend.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:01

All right.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:05

So NBC.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:07

Thanks for watching. Stay updated.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:09

Um which who knows if they're gonna let that show, but uh let me stop sharing. So yeah, Jerry. Basically, they have a guy in the backseat of their car. And if uh memory serves me correct, um, I'm gonna read the details on this to see if it's on here. Um they don't have it on here, but I I think there was some sort of uh call where they said that this guy had a silenced pistol, and he was causing some sort of ruckus with this silenced pistol or whatever. So they get this guy, get him in the backseat of the car. He's he's under arrest. Well, officer shuts the door, and he's walking by the car, and all of a sudden an acorn falls from the tree, bounces off the vehicle, or or whatever, and hits him in the back. And this dude thinks that this guy in the backseat shot him, and then that's what you see. Turns out the guy was not armed, did not have anything, no shots were fired. This guy claimed he was hit. I'm hit. You heard him, I'm hit. Yeah, he fell down on the ground, yeah, and he unloads on that car. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if the guy was hit at all. I I don't know if he was shot. I know he lived, he wasn't killed.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:35

Yeah, I don't think he was, I remember.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:38

Yeah. Um, but yeah, they said the uh show me audit said yes, gun with silencer. They searched him before putting him inside the car. Yeah, these are the things I remember too. Um, so they'd already searched the dude. And you know how they they they tell us as cops, play the what if game. You know, what if this, what if that, what if that? I truly believe that this guy was probably running scenarios through his head at the perfect moment that that that fucking acorn hit him, and he just sent it spiraling.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:10

We're we're deputy acorn magdum. He could probably recall.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:13

No shit. We actually have a uh a follower of ours that he named his name on YouTube after this whole incident.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:23

So fucking how how hard can an acorn hit you that you would feel like you're shot, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:14:31

I mean, where did it hit him in his back? I love the bewilderment of your face right now, Jerry. Huh? Is he wearing a vest? It's so it's so fucking ridiculous. You can't make this shit up.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:52

I I can't imagine an acorn falling, hitting you to where you felt like you were shot.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:59

Brother, he's out of your state, man. He's out of Florida. I'm dying over here. Oh, not from an acorn, but um shit.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:20

I'm bewildered by this.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:21

I they said he resigned, but I'm sorry, that dude should be in fucking prison. There's no way. I I know we're laughing, but I'm sorry. You don't you do not get to unload your fucking gun onto a the dude's trapped too. Imagine being the bad guy. The bad guy. Like, yeah, you you did enough to get put in the back of the car. All of a sudden, two cops are shooting the shit out of your car, and you got nowhere to go, wondering what the fuck just happened.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:54

Yeah, I mean, the other the other officer that was a female, right? Yeah, yelling to him, are you okay? And she unloads.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:02

She, yeah, she's she said, Fuck, he told she asks what happened. She goes, shot's fire. I'm hit. Like, I don't blame her. Yeah, you just you just told me you're shot.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:16

You told me you're hit.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:18

And in her mind, she's truly ending the threat that just shot her.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:22

Yes, I don't blame her at all. But Jesus, that's insane. Um, Brandar said, it bothers me he was also a combat veteran and still did not know the difference between gunshots and falling debris. Oh he said, Well, also the acorn hit the vehicle and made a pop sound. Again, I uh I got zero sympathy. Zero. Am I way off? Do you guys I don't have any sympathy for him? No, no, none. I sorry, you're a fucking moron. You're moron, especially when you said I'm hit. Did you think the adrenaline just covered all of it?

SPEAKER_11 1:17:14

And then he's crawling on the ground trying to reload.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:16

Right. If I hadn't told you this story, Jerry, would you have believed me?

SPEAKER_11 1:17:23

I know it's hard to it's hard to watch that. It's actually uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:28

I know, right? It went it went viral when it came out when this when this video went out first time. It it went pretty viral.

SPEAKER_11 1:17:37

I watch a lot of videos. I know I missed that one.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:39

Oh man, that's too funny.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:41

Um I mean, there's people that's changed their plates in in your state that says not acorns. They're just just just on their personalized tags, just so they don't get into a confrontation as a joke.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:53

Uh uh show me audits that to this day. I have I have about four acorns in my cup holder. Last time I got pulled over, I disclosed it the fact to the officer. I think that got me out of a lane violation ticket. That's awesome. Oh, yeah. I would. I'd let you go for that. Of course, I wouldn't pull you over for a lane violation either. Uh Mr. Milfold said, I must say that it is unprofessional for you guys to criticize these heroes. Oh my god. A part of me hopes that that dude sees this. I'm sorry, bud. I got zero sympathy for you. Um they couldn't his uh okay, they couldn't. He his a man in handcuffs, seat belted in the in and couldn't move. Yeah. Center attacker was shut up. He said he's probably an Air Force combat, but oh my god. Brandar, understand, but you don't get to shoot what you don't see. Sometimes. Sometimes. That's not a always case, guys. You can absolutely shoot at something you don't see sometimes. If I if if I'm on the other side of a door and all of a sudden a fucking shotgun blast comes through, I'm unloading on that door.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:11

Sorry. Just as long as you're not the officer that's letting a round go as the door opens.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:15

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was another round.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:19

That was bad.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:20

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't mean to shoot that round, but he shot that round. Keep your booger booger hook off the bang switch.

unknown 1:19:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:28

Before training comes in and you freak up and mess up like that, you're done. Yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:34

You're done.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:35

Um, what that can't be true. No way. Shotguns uh said that that guy got hired by another agency. There's no fucking way. All right, we're searching that right now. Yeah. We're searching that acorn acorn cop got hired.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:55

First cop that doesn't have a badge number, he's just got an acorn pinned up there.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:00

Okay. Um, that's funny. He actually is known as the Acorn Cop. Share screen. I'll just show what the AI overview said.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:10

Um did he resign or get fired?

SPEAKER_07 1:20:13

He resigned. As of February 2024, Florida deputy dubbed Acorn Cop, Jesse Hernandez, resigned from his position at Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office, okay, and was not hired by another law enforcement agency. Okay. So according to the AI overview, that's not true. Not true. Okay. I was like, there's no fucking way an agency is gonna hire him. I would hope. Uh Twitchy Skid said, like I said, it looked like he had some feigning goat syndrome. Oh, fuck, that's funny. You guys are on a roll tonight. I love it. Um, yeah, so it doesn't look like he really did. Um, you guys don't think uh Montero said, you guys don't think that something more was going on with this, some mental health issues. Have you ever seen the video of the cop that has a panic attack and the medic has to take his gun from him? Yes, I have seen that. No, listen, I I have no doubt that there was something going on in his head. That's why I said I think he truly was trying to play the what if game or something like that, and it just all caught him at the perfect moment. Um, but that doesn't excuse your behavior. Sorry. Doesn't excuse it to me. You just unload your fucking firearms. I mean you oh, sorry, you're having a PTSD moment. Let's let's give you your gun and badge back, you're good to go. No. No. I didn't say the guy no, he did deserve jail. Yeah. No, I was gonna say I didn't say he deserved prison, but no, he does. He does.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:00

Less than a month after that viral reel went out, um, there was an agency, and I'm trying to remember the agency, and the patrol sergeant set it up and they did it as a departmental release. Uh basically he had about 10 patrol officers in there at ship change and they were doing their briefing. And then another officer came down the hallway and threw four or five acorns into the briefing room, and they all scattered like it was a bomb. And uh I gotta find that video because we gotta we, you know, they're they were kind of toasting the officer that went through that uh based on the acorns, just good stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:33

Yeah. Um, Eye of the Night was I I I responded on the on the text, but he said, um he said, uh, where'd it go? Shit. I lost it. He said, oh, Eric, you should know better than to trust AI because I read the AI overview. Yes, I know, but I don't have time to sit here and research. We got a show to run, guys.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:53

So if AI said it, it's got it.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:56

Yeah, yeah, it's close enough. It's close, it's close enough, guys. Does they do it does does a decent job? Um I have caught it slacking before. So all right, let me go over to this uh oh wait, let me let me read Montero's. He said, no, it doesn't excuse his behavior, but I have seen countless cops not good in their heads with drinking problems, family issues, and so on on the department completely ignored it, I guess is what I'm at is what he's saying. Yeah, uh I I don't disagree. Um I think you I think you have a good point. Um, do you think the department should do a better job with mental health other police officers? I think they should always try to do a better job. Um but I also think that there's a lot of responsibility that is overlooked on the individual. We know most of the time when we're struggling. Um and I think the people around us know when we're struggling, the ones that are the closest to us. So it's kind of a it should be a team thing, but still, I think I think we need to own up when we need to get help. I don't I don't know another way to say that, guys. I I I I'm at the end of the day, I still have a lot more I lean a lot more heavily on self-accountability than I do on blaming other people. Yep.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:22

So well, you know, back like back when I started, it was it was um there was a stigma to saying that you needed to go see a counselor. Yep. And it still is in some places. Yeah, now uh, you know, now it's much more in the in the uh news, and uh it's much more accepted now for somebody to admit that you need some help.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:46

Yeah. Tim. Sorry, folks. Santa's falling asleep in a sleigh again. I know it's methed up. Head over to our Discord and you can see old photo of Santa asleep. Oh, it's too funny. Yeah, one day, Jerry, Tim, one of our mods, uh, he's been around with us since we pretty much got started. Um, he fucking just knocked out while on camera, just fell asleep. So I took a screenshot and uh I hold it over him now. Uh shotguns and tattoos says, I'm not a liar. I'm not saying you're a liar. No one said you were a liar. You did your research the same way we do. We Google it. Google right now is saying that that's not true. So I'm not saying you're a liar, I'm saying whatever it showed when you found it originally, that's not showing that for us right now. So if you know what agency this Jesse Hernandez is at, that would help us. Um so no, ma'am, you are not a liar.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:50

And to be honest with you, it wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me if he was.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:02

Yep. Yep. That would be insane if he did. Um I'll be right back, Eric. Okay, no worries. Um, and I am reading on Discord right now because Marine Blood sent uh a grok found finding from that AI. According to local reports, former Okaloosa County Deputy Jesse Hernandez resigned to avoid being fired and was subsequently hired by another police department in a nearby city. January 2025. Discussions in a Pensacola area Facebook group also indicated he had been hired by another agency. No major news outlets has confirmed this, but the claims align with common practices where officers are okay. So there's no concrete evidence. So that doesn't that doesn't there's no confirmation of that. So no one's a liar. It's just the evidence is inconclusive, guys. That's all it is.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:01

If his department, if his department did, you know, some kind of shooting investigation, there's usually a shooting review board. And then, you know, with uh in Florida, they have what they call FDLE, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and then they could they could send it to them and they could pull his ticket so he's not certified anymore.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:22

Yeah, the fact that this dude didn't see any jail time, that's insane to me. That's insane to me. Like at the end of the day, his perception of an acorn falling, he got through that loophole of you know what an officer perceives in the moment. And I that's that's what got him out of that. And I don't I don't like that. I don't like that. I I like it, I I get it if it it's reasonable, but that's not reasonable.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:56

The other thing is if he if he's applying to other agencies, um you have to usually go through a psych to to get hired by another agency, yeah. You know, and a uh, you know, you have to go through a lie detector test, you have to go through a psych, and the other agency has gotta know about this instrument, don't you think?

Use of Force Done Right: Concert Punch Clip

SPEAKER_07 1:28:20

And who the f like listen, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna risk going to another agency. Let's say, let's say I don't get in any trouble. I'm allowed to go apply to another agency. I know cops. There's no fucking way. You're gonna you're not gonna live that down the rest of your career. You're gonna go to your locker and acorns are gonna fall out. You're gonna go to your mailbox and there's gonna be acorns in there. Uh, you're gonna be sitting in roll call and people are gonna throw acorns, like you're going to get harassed your whole career. There's no fucking way I'm gonna put myself through that. Yeah, that's there's no way. So um Craig Holcomb said they don't decertify cops in Florida, they move them laterally to promote to a promotion in another city. Sounds like he's speaking from experience. Uh that's crazy. Um Eye of the Night said uh I would mail that department a few acorns for as long as I lived there. Oh, yeah, that would be probably true. All right, let me finally get over to this video. We're an hour and a half in, and I haven't even gotten through all the Instagram videos yet. I got one left. Share screen. Boom, boom. This is uh this is a fun video. You're gonna like this one, Jerry. This is old school.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:54

Oh yeah. That just de-escalates it immediately.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:05

Yep. Alright, backstory we got on this is this female was we're gonna go back one more time. Just because it it goes so quick. So basically, the backstory is uh this chick's at the concert, she's drunk, and she is trying to fight people. So cops show up, they're like, hey, you gotta go, you gotta go. She's like, I'm not going. And then she holds on to like this divider, like a barrier pole. So the officer tries, she tries to pull her, and then all of a sudden the suspect, the the f it's female officer on female suspect, um, the female suspect swings at the officer. So I'll play it one more time.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:54

So that's take taking care of business.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:57

It is taking care of business. Um, so when that video was sent to me, the person that sent it was uh upset. They were upset. They thought that it was excessive, and they wanted to know, they didn't even want to know if I thought it was excessive, they wanted me to talk about it as excessive, and um I didn't share that view. So I hope whoever sent it can forgive me that I don't share the same view as you. Uh, but to me that was um that was textbook police work. Uh she swung, she missed. Female officer followed through with a nice little right cross. Um sat around her butt. Um, looked like she gave a little victory, haha, or something. Um, but that part may have I I don't know what she said. That part may or may not have been unprofessional. I don't know, but she moved right in, got her in cuffs. There was no more force needed, um, and they got her out of there. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:31:55

If she didn't if she didn't you know take action right away, she might have had to wrestle around with her for a little while.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:02

Yeah, I think I think that that distraction strike to move in worked just fine. And um I'm looking sorry. Uh I no problem with that. Yeah, I don't have a problem with that one either, to be honest. Um, copy link. Sorry, give me one second. I am Marine Blood sent another link, so I'm trying to trying to find it. Um oh Jesus, that didn't help me. Um, I thought he sent me another link that would work, but it didn't work properly. Um anyway, so yeah, on that one, um I'm kind of curious what y'all think in the comments on that. Um, I'm very interested in what Mr. Billfold has to say because he you he used to bounce quite a bit um as a bouncer. I think that's something that they run into all the time. Hey, you dude, you gotta go. No, I'm not going, and then you like try to move. Them and they grab onto something, uh, and then they just do that random drunk swing at you, and you get a nice little counter and they handle business. Um, Marine Blood said he said uh the full thread on Acorn, he said, I can't find anything that's confirming that this guy was hired at another agency. So we're just gonna say it's inconclusive right now. We don't we can't confirm that he's been hired anywhere, it's just been rumored that he had. So is what it is. Uh shotguns and tattoos. I don't don't find you lying. So just chill out with all that. I I think you I think you did find something that said he did, and then we're finding something that's probably more updated that was like, nope, we can't confirm that.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:42

Yeah, no, it sounds like that she lives in the county where it occurred. She has another deputy that lives with the same residence as she does or works for the same county and has the inside scoop on, is how I gathered from those.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:51

Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:52

And and yeah, so it's just are there any comments that are contradictory to what we're saying as far as what that female police officer did?

SPEAKER_07 1:34:02

Um, no. Um, I I haven't seen any. Um looking through right now. Um, let me uh I'll just share screen again. Um, I'm not sure how well you guys can see the comments, but um bonk, love it. Um let's see, can't wait to see the comments saying it was excessive force. Uh somebody said I can't tell you how much I love that. Umity, Rick James. Somebody said people fail to understand the difference from self-defense and assault, excessive force. If the Oscar continued to beat them down after they went down, that's then that's excessive. Um I think you should I think you should, I think they meant to say, take a picture of the use of force model in all these videos. Uh, too many civilians think that we have to allow ourselves to be punching bags without giving it right back. Um kickerworm said those are the type of female deputies that started with about 30 years ago. They are a unicorn now. Some of them still with the department, they are still they are all business while working. And uh let's see, the one hidden comments or this. Someone said, if you think what that officer did was excessive, raise your hand. Now take that hand and smack yourself because you're an idiot. Uh the the quick headbob that says, bitch, you got what was coming to you was priceless. Back the blue. So everything's positive. Yeah, everything. I that's the thing, is I I think everybody pretty much was in alignment that what that deputy did. It was fair game. So um, Mr. Bill Fold said that lady struck struck the officer. Uh, that is not acceptable. I credit the female officer for laying out just enough to stop the threat. Yeah. Andy Fletcher, it was a good punch. If you got Andy saying it was a good punch, come on, guys.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:15

That's yeah that's a wrap. I want the video of her significant other at the house doing dishes now more often. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:24

Right. Yeah. You know she was a legend for the next week or two. Oh, yeah. There are people showing showing pictures of that and clipping videos. For sure. Shotguns and tattoos. Cornelius believes me.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:39

Yeah. Yeah. No, I just remember reading that and she's able to say the the the county. I know that county uh well. My father lived there for years in Port Walton Beach. Yep. Oh man, that's too funny.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:50

Um, you usually have a couple people when you do when you do your show that are kind of anti-police and um are usually making a lot of negative comments. So I don't see any today, huh?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:07

Um, well, I Andy, Andy, he gives a shit. Uh Mr. Bill Fold, he'll give a shit. It's not that they're anti-police. Um but no, you're right. There are usually there are some that will pop in that just straight, you know, trolling anti-police and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:23

Um they they haven't been here, and there's two names that I can think of that have not been here tonight.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:37:28

Um so uh There's a guy named Steve that goes on a lot of these things and he calls the self-proclaimed heroes. Oh yeah, yeah, we're all called self-proclaimed heroes.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:39

That is awesome because we booted Steve so long ago. Now I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 1:37:44

Oh, he's on he goes on all he every every podcast I see, I see his name pop up.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:50

Yeah, dude, he is he's so crazy.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:53

That dude's we we we call it the Ladner effect. Yeah, self-proclaimed hero. That's what he starts everything with that.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:00

Uh yeah. Let me see here. Uh oh, this this question. Um, Brandon said, uh, in the academy, are police training in mock takedowns? Yeah, all the time. Yeah. I don't know what type of takedown you're referring to. Are you talking about like a felony stop on a vehicle? Are you talking about um a control tactic or defensive tactic takedown where it's you know person on person? Like, yeah, we we train those for sure.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:24

Yeah, I think that's what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:26

Yeah, so um Mr. Bill Fold said, I get frustrated with folks getting worked up over cops using force justifiably when there are so many worse situations that deserve our ire and attention. Um but yeah, uh and and I, you know, to go back to what Brandar was saying about takedowns, like my department does. Not uh not gonna say all of them, because I've seen some control tactics efforts by other officers, and I'm just like, where the fuck did you learn that? Or or what would what didn't you learn because you're not trying anything other than to go to your Batman belt.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:05

So throw Craig's comment, top one up there.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:09

Um, Craig said, We just occasionally say things to trigger Eric, but mainly in fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:16

Sometimes they get me in a uh the like two live streams ago, Jerry. I was just in a mood. I was pissy, and I I knew it going in. I told the guys before the show started, like, I just don't feel like doing one tonight, but I'm gonna power through. And I was just in a shitty mood, and everything was irritating me. And I I fucking I went on, and I didn't go off, go off, but I was like just snappy, and I had to step back from myself. I'm like, you know what, guys, I am sorry. I am pissy, you don't deserve it. It's me.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:51

I'm I'm man straighting tonight, and uh it is they knew you were that way and they weren't trying to push your buttons.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:58

Well, some I I don't know if they were trying to push my buttons, it's just everything was irritating me, and I just was like snappy. I was just being a little baby, I was being a baby, so I I let them know, hey, I'm being a baby tonight, so I'm sorry. It is what it is. I apologize.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:18

That's gonna create its own comments coming up here. I can detect it. Oh, for sure. It's fine. Yeah, yeah.

Off-Duty OIS After Road-Rage Crash (Milwaukee)

SPEAKER_07 1:40:23

I'm in a good mood tonight, so I don't give a shit. Yeah, uh, yeah. Hey guys, everybody is susceptible to it. If you if you think you're not, you're too late. Uh he said I lost my shit on Harrison that night. Did I? Was it Harrison? Uh sorry, Harrison. Well, he's not here tonight. He decided to watch baseball over hanging out with us because his family was all over to watch the game. Boring. We're your family. He ran uh he ran out of his Air Force-issued manstrol products. Uh Vanessa's laughing at me. She's like, Aww. Shut up. I'm taking my ball and going home. Oh, so Mr. Bilble, poor Harrison. Quit sticking up for Harrison. He had it coming. He's being a prick. I don't even remember what we were talking about. So, all right. Let's uh let's do what we came here to do tonight, guys. Let's get into some body cam footage. Uh, all of these videos, I think, tonight are from police activity. So I'm gonna share their screen right now, just so you guys know which channel to go. Like and subscribe. They are at almost 6.8 million. They are growing. Um, and it's mostly because of us. Um, so you're welcome, police activity.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:53

Uh and just uh just to add to that, Eric, before you before you start the first video, uh Harrison is a good is a is a friend of ours. Yeah, he consistently uh does the gifts, he has a lot of good feedback, and and and humans will be humans, and we've got good days and bad days. Harrison knows we love him. He's a great guy, uh, does a lot of great stuff for us.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:15

Yeah, but he still had it coming. Mr. Belfold said, moving to the real-time crime center through off Eric's cycle. I'm syncing up with my new team, guys. That's the problem. Shotguns and tattoos. We offered a man pond. They're unacceptable tonight. What is the deal? He has to sync his cycle with all his fellow office people. Yeah, see, you get it. You get it. Uh, okay, so anyway, we're gonna go over to our first video. This one's a minute 39. Again, we haven't seen these. Um, at least I haven't. Uh, I don't think banning has. And then, Jerry, if you've seen any of these, just let us know.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:01

Um share this tab instead. We're gonna biggie size. There it goes. And play. Okay. I'm gonna say I I don't I'm gonna assume this is the cop's car because we got a dash cam, but there's no there's no writing in it. So I don't that's what's kind of throwing me off.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:41

It might just just be a dash cam.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:43

Maybe. So anyway, I can see that there's some sort of um can you see my mouse? It looks like there's construction or there's something in the roadway that this guy needs to get over. And I don't know if this is the cop, he's being a prick. He's not letting this car over. Like, it looked like he's sped up to not let this car over. I'm gonna go back. You guys tell me that that's what I I am a very generous driver. Like, if you put your blinker on, whatever it is, like if I see it, I'm always letting people get in front of me. Because I just don't. I don't know. It's my whole the world will give back when you give to it.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:26

So you're you're not a dick on the road, and that's the way it's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:30

Um so in in this, that was the first thing I see. I'm like, why is this guy trying? In my head, I'm thinking, why is this guy trying to get over? And I looked ahead, and it looked like there was something up ahead. So it made sense to me. Well, it looks like there's something in the road. This guy's trying to get over. And this guy is trying to close in on this vehicle to not let him over. He's dumb. And and look, yeah, look, he had to get over or just come to a complete stop. It definitely doesn't seem like a dash cam for a cop car. Oh yeah, he does, you can see him.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:25

I'm in the fucking way.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:27

Oh! Punched him right in the face. Oh!

unknown 1:45:30

Oh!

SPEAKER_10 1:45:31

Oh Did he pistol whip him in the face?

SPEAKER_09 1:45:38

Yeah, hit him with air.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:42

Holy shit balls!

SPEAKER_06 1:45:45

Stay out of the ground! Don't move! Milwaukee police!

SPEAKER_07 1:45:50

Milwaukee police, is that what he just said? Oh, okay, we're gonna go back. Yeah, I didn't see that coming at all. I I mean I expected a little bit of arguing. That's uh that's a banning size cop right there.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:14

Easy. He's got his back to him right there.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:19

Yeah, I think he's going to look at the damage. I apparently he didn't suspect anything either. I didn't see this coming.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:26

Um I'm in the fucking lane.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:29

Oh, yeah, that gun's out. Good lord. Immediately draws as he holds his lip. This guy looks like he's putting the gun back up. That was a mistake. Yeah, he did. I don't I don't think he was the fastest on the draw, but I think he won.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:54

Did each guy get hit?

SPEAKER_07 1:47:01

So we got a stable platform shooting here. Nice triangle. This guy's trying to one-hand it.

SPEAKER_11 1:47:07

He's got the gangster style.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:11

Yep, he stays on. Stays on target. Jesus. So yeah, I'm uh like I said, okay, I'm gonna still stand behind the cops at fault. I think he's being a dick. I think he sped up. I think he tried to close that gap so that guy couldn't get over, which was a douchebag thing to do. Um but does that mean you get to pistol whip the dude and fucking go off on try to shoot at him? No. Um, so I think the cop was totally fine in what he did. I don't have an issue with that.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:56

Um I haven't read the details, but it looks like he's probably using this car as an off-duty car and that dash cam runs all the time. Uh uh is what I'm guessing. And it turned into a road rage incident. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it looks like road rage.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:13

There was clearly lights in in the reflection of the back of this car. Right here. It looks to me like there's something at least got some quick bag reality. But they turned off when he parked.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:29

I bet you it just it does that and it kicks on the back deck only. It's probably wired correctly, like most agencies need to have.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:35

Yeah, and this guy probably never even seen it because it happened so quick. Those lights were only on for a couple seconds. And I bet he was trying to dig for that gun and put it in the park. So he may never even seen those lights.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:49

No, the defensive driving wasn't there, bottom line.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:51

Yeah, yeah, agreed. Um, let me go over here to the comments, see what people are saying.

SPEAKER_11 1:48:57

Um that went from zero to a hundred in one second.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:06

Yeah, that went fast. Um, Mr. Billfold said the cop caused the accident, but god damn, you can't pistol whip him for it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Um he said he started to, then he pulled it back out and aimed it. Yeah, it looked like he was trying to put it away, and then for whatever reason, was like, no, I'm gonna commit. So um mock has basically four moves and they can be supplemented with baton. What are we talking about? Um shotguns and tattoo. He did. Um I the night said to Mr. Billfold, guy should have used a signal. Just because you drift over doesn't mean you get to move over. I I couldn't tell if he had a signal on or he didn't.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:53

No, in a blind spot.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:55

But uh yeah, that was a hard part. But for me, again, end of the day, guys, bigger picture. It's a fucking merge. Just let them merge. It's not a big deal. Um Brandar said. Yeah, but portion of the techniques teach how to leverage getting hands out from under the suspect's body when you're on top of them, but instead move oh, I don't know what we're talking about here. They're they're having a sidebar conversation, is what's going on. Um but yeah. Cops draw is not bad for just getting smacked. I do time drills all the time. Yeah, I agree. He did. That's a good point. Dude drew quick and was on tomorrow.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:41

Um bottom line, I just have a big problem. It never should have, it never should have been this. It it never should have been a collision. But yeah, you know, you he's just being a jackass.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:50

So I'm gonna read the comment or uh the description. It says uh Milwaukee, Wisconsin, uh Thursday, October 9th, approximately 8 25 a.m. This is an a.m. too, by the way. Like that's the no crime time. Uh off-duty Milwaukee police department officer was involved in a minor vehicle accident on the 4,800 block of such and such. Um both drivers pulled over. Yeah, we saw that. They were assessing the accident. Um, the driver of the other vehicle approached the off-duty officer and produced a firearm. The subject proceeded to strike the officer in the face with the firearm. Off-duty officer drew his department. Yep. Uh the individuals exchanged gunfire, and the subject was struck. The subject, a 26-year-old male, was pronounced deceased at the scene. No one else was struck by gunfire. The officer conveyed to the hospital or was taken to the hospital for treatment uh of injuries sustained during the incident. I'm going to assume that's from the being pistol whipped. The officer that discharged his duty weapon during the incident is a 40-year-old male with over 21 years of service. The officer is placed on administrative duty as routine, and officer involved shooting investigations. Okay. I don't see anything else in the comments. Um given any more type of information. Yeah. I I'm with I'm with the off-duty officer as far as his use of force on that goes. It was a way to handle business. Dude drew a gun on you and smacked you in the face with a pistol and then drew it back out. Like, who knows what the fuck he was about to do? Um, Andy Fletcher said, this is the kind of thing that brings Antifa to Wisconsin. Uh. Over a minor accident. Think about that. It's like Eric always says, ego. Yep. Yep. You people cannot say that it was safe to break. That is not clear. What is clear is that the cop accelerated to force this guy to maintain a dangerous lane. That is clear. Did speed up. You could see that clearly. How do I know? Because I used to do that asshole shit when I was a teenager. Because I thought everything was a race. You're just trying to jockey for position.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:14

Uh hey, answer centurions, the first comment up there at the top.

A Dog Saves Grandma: The Call You Remember

SPEAKER_07 1:53:18

Um, Eric, how can you be a 20 years of service when you can't be a cop until 21?

SPEAKER_09 1:53:24

Military, military.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:26

Military cop, brother. 18. Yeah. Um, I was uh started in 06 as military police. Law enforcement experience, not city cop experiencer, sir.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:44

Eric, I had two guys in my police academy that were 19.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:49

Yeah, that was right before the law was changed to 21.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:52

Yeah, they were 19. They couldn't even buy their own guns. Their parents had to buy them their guns. That's awesome, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:59

I know, right? They're ready to step up, step up to the call at that age, man. Yeah, they're 19.

SPEAKER_11 1:54:04

I'm I was 30.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:08

Um, let me go into the next video here. Share screen, ba ba ba. Share. Okay, let's biggie size this one here. And go.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:25

She never takes more than 15 minutes. It's a little bit still.

SPEAKER_12 1:54:31

Okay, do you know what breathing is?

SPEAKER_10 1:56:55

Now I'm gonna cry. Jesus. It's a sweet story. That's the best.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:03

Jeez, oh, Pete. Eye of the night's already seen this one. He goes, I love this video. Jeez. That's crazy. I love dogs, dude. Ain't no cat gonna do that for you. Ain't no cat gonna do that. Cat's gonna eat you while you're still alive. That is the sweetest damn story. Oh, I don't even know what to say to that. What do you got on that one, Benny?

SPEAKER_09 1:57:31

I love dogs. I was in canine for for almost 10 years. I absolutely love dogs. And uh, I was really hoping this is gonna be a sweet one and not a uh one that we've you know, something that we've seen in the past. Yeah. So I'm just glad it was a good, good one.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:45

Yep, that was that was a good one. Look at that surprises me coming from uh from um police. What the hell's the name of these guys? Police activity.

SPEAKER_11 1:57:56

I gotta show a good one once in a while.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:58

You do gotta show good ones. It just uh I don't want to show that. That's a 17-minute video. Good lord. Where are we at? Oh, we're at two hours. Yeah, yeah. I think that's good for tonight. Let's just uh let's let's wrap it up with a little chat. Um and uh don't make a grown hippie cry. Hey man, I'm with you. You get the animal involved, stuff like that. That does. They hit you right in the heart. That is sweet. Especially you get an elderly person that's just like loving on the dog for saving her. That's great. She's who knows how long she was out there. Um that is that is sweet.

SPEAKER_11 1:58:38

So the husband called because I guess she didn't get to come back to the house.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:45

Uh yeah. Oh shit, I hit something. There we go. Um, yeah, in in the the the old the the grandpa, he couldn't even describe the dog. So um I'm sorry, I'm reading some of the Discord comments, but um, yeah. Uh okay, so tonight I think that I think we learned a lot. Um Jerry learned a lot about acorns. Yes. Uh that was really good. I think people were trying to build the hype over the uh ready or not stuff, so expect to see a lot more trailers and things like that. And um I think I think our comments tonight, I I think we need to welcome Mr. Billfold back. So thank you, Mr. Billfold, for joining the fold tonight. Uh I actually had a very good conversation with Mr. Bill Fold the other night. And um Mr. Brent Anderson uh said, Great program. Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:49

Thank you.

Wrap-Up, Events, Sponsors, And Community

SPEAKER_07 1:59:50

But um Brandar 86, but grandpa could tell you the make and model serial number of his classic car. Hey, leave grandpa alone, man. Maybe maybe he was like, finally, freedom. He's like an Al Bundy.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:09

Another good show.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:11

Married with Children reference for all you uh young folk. I loved Married with Children. When that show would come on with program television back in the day, that as soon as that music would hit.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:22

It was good stuff.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:23

It was great.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:24

Yeah, it was it was my filler before cops came on.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:27

Was Married with Children on right before Cops?

SPEAKER_09 2:00:30

No, I'm just saying throughout the week watched with children. Yeah. Yeah, then then uh what was it? Was it on Saturday nights, Cops?

SPEAKER_11 2:00:37

No, it was on Friday. I think it started on Friday nights.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:40

Yeah, Friday. I think Friday at 9 Eastern time or 8.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:45

It was on after America's Most Wanted. That's right.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:48

Oh, yeah. Yep. It was John Walsh. Yep, yep. Yep. John was okay. Remember the show Unsolved Mysteries?

SPEAKER_09 2:00:58

Yeah, the music.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:00

Yeah, dude, it would creep me out as a kid.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:04

I'm trying to remember the name of that host because he was pretty well known about it.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:06

He was a comedian, like he played in comedies. I didn't learn this until later until I was older. But yeah, it that guy was he played in comedies before he was a scary guy. Uh BMHC outdoors. He said, Good night, all. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:25

Uh you know, you you bring up Married with Children. I just started following what's his name, David Fausty.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:30

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The son.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:32

He's got his Instagram.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:33

Bud or Buck.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:35

Can't remember what it was.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:37

Buck was the dog.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:38

Buck was the dog. Was his name Bud then?

SPEAKER_09 2:01:41

Bud. Bud was his name, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Golly, man. That's memories right there.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:46

Old Pokeye University. Four touchdowns high school, four touchdowns in one game.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:52

And the shoe salesman, I love the and and you probably shouldn't, but just the jokes that that dude could spin off so quick, man. Oh no. No, it wouldn't be accepted anymore, but by golly, in the time it was uh it was funny.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:07

Yeah, and little known fact that uh Ed O'Neill is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:12

He is. I saw that uh last week on a reel.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:15

That's awesome. Yep, he's a badass. So yeah, and uh he still practices, so you're never too old, right, Jerry?

SPEAKER_11 2:02:23

That's right.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:25

Jerry's like, what the fuck's that supposed to mean? Too funny. All right, Jerry, where can people find you?

SPEAKER_11 2:02:32

Um, I'm I'm just on the only thing you can find me on is Instagram.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:36

Instagram. And what's your name on Instagram?

SPEAKER_11 2:02:38

Just Jerry Worms.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:39

There you go. Not like uh the worms that are in the dirt.

SPEAKER_11 2:02:43

No, W U R M S.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:44

Yeah. Yeah. So find Jerry. He is a living cops legend, and we will have him on here uh as often as we can. Um, I think we need to get Montero back on. I want to get the uh Montero son and father combo uh banning. So let's look forward to that. I will not be here for next Monday. I will be at IACP, so I won't be able to do the live. Um sounds like Banning's not going to be at ICP, so he'll be able to run the live.

SPEAKER_09 2:03:14

As long as I can get Alan to do the back portion of it, we can absolutely either him or deadleg will be able to do that.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:20

So um next Monday, I need y'all to help support these guys while I am gone. But uh yeah, this should be good. Maybe we can get the the Monteros together and they can talk about their days as Secret Service together. Yeah, so that'd be pretty that'd be pretty cool. And if Jerry's available, fucking bring Jerry back on.

SPEAKER_09 2:03:39

Whenever you need me, just call me. Uh we appreciate it, brother, very much. And thank you for coming on such short notice.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:45

Yeah, everybody, um, thank you again for all the donations tonight. Uh, really appreciate it. That stuff really does help out. Um, and make sure you join our Discord, make sure you follow us on DTV, make sure you follow uh our sponsors, Peregrine, Retro Rifle, um, Ghost Patch. Uh if you're looking for LPRs, look at Insight LPR. So um, those are all of our guys. We don't flood you with our our um sponsors and all that stuff, which it's probably to our own detriment. But if you guys could check them guys out. And uh, if you can't help us out with money, I don't want your hard earned cash. If you can't uh throw it our way, all I ask is you just do the what what all the teenage girls want you to do like, follow, and subscribe. So that helps us out. Other than that, everybody, have a good night. Thank you very much, and uh, we'll catch you on the next one later.

SPEAKER_09 2:04:39

All right, appreciate it, guys. Okay, bye bye.