I Said “Copaganda”? My Bad, Here’s A Fire Extinguisher

Street reality beats press releases every time. We dive into the messy, human side of policing—where legal standards, public expectations, and officer judgment collide—and show how better habits can actually rebuild trust. From First Amendment audits to a high‑stress taser incident that turns into a rapid rescue, we unpack what went right, what went wrong, and how clear language plus sound tactics prevent small encounters from becoming big lawsuits.

We lay out the nuts and bolts of lawful contact: when you can ask for ID, when you can demand it, and why the best officers start by talking to the complainant, not the camera. We dissect a sidewalk arrest that spiraled on stacked charges, then contrast it with a case where officers instantly pivoted from pursuit to lifesaving, grabbed a fire extinguisher, and re‑established control without losing composure. Add in crowd control lessons—don’t isolate, pick true agitators, pull arrests behind the line—and you get a practical blueprint for safer streets and cleaner reports.

We also wade into ICE coordination and federal‑local friction. Our stance is simple: communicate early, vet targets with local knowledge, prioritize violent offenders, and set perimeters without forcing local officers into federal arrests. That approach protects communities and reduces pointless outrage. Finally, we look at speech and overreach through a meme‑arrest case and talk tech: real‑time crime centers, license plate readers, and drones. These tools need guardrails—short retention windows, audit trails, transparent policy—or they’ll cost more trust than they save.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Disclaimer & Setup
• 0:49 Studio Changes, Whiskey, And Sports Banter
• 6:40 Why This Show Exists: Bridging The Gap
• 12:40 Education Over Echo Chambers
• 18:44 Becoming A Cop: Regrets, Growth, And Grit
• 26:10 Real‑Time Crime Centers & Drones
• 31:50 First Amendment Audits: ID, Detention, And Law
• 46:16 Taser, Gas Can, And The Rescue Mindset
• 52:24 Bad Street‑Side Policing: Coercion And Charges
• 1:04:34 ICE, Federal vs Local, And Cooperation
• 1:21:24 Crowd Control 101: Agitators And Arrests
• 1:29:44 Freeway Safety And Patrol Realities
• 1:39:04 Drones, Privacy, And Policy Guardrails
• 1:52:09 Speech, Memes, And Overreach

Transcript

Disclaimer & Setup

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Disclaimer. Welcome to Two Cops One Donut Podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its hosts or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guests' opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition, and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language. Viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. What's going on, Two Cops One Donut Partners? Followers? I don't know what to call you guys. Um, let's see. I wonder how my sound's coming across. I just moved my whole entire studio around. So needless to say, my equipment is all over the place. Messed up. Trying to figure out if my settings and everything are good. Which is uh, let's see Patriot Beard, bearded man's joined. I like that name. That's cool. Um Bear G3Q. I'm just calling you Bear. What's up, Bear? Steve Wallace. What's going on, brother? This better be lit since I had to watch the Niners beat down. Uh-oh. Sorry, Dick Peters meme. Uh, I didn't watch any football, obviously, because the Lions aren't in it, so I don't give a shit. Um, Mr. Bill Fold in the house. He said, Howdy and Mohalo. Sipping a little uh smoke wagon tonight. Let me let me just show you guys what that bottle looks like right there. Not a sponsor, but damn if I'm not gonna try. It's my favorite whiskey, y'all. This is where I'm kind of an amateur. I kind of know the difference between bourbon and whiskey, but I don't. Like if somebody asks me, like, is smoke wagon to me, smoke wagon's a bourbon, but I call it whiskey. So I don't know. I I don't I don't know how to unless it says it on the label. I don't I don't know the difference other than the age. I think it's how long it's been aged. So I don't know. I don't know. Um, that first sip is always it's always the best part. Um so what are we gonna talk about tonight? Uh are you a Cowboys fan? I don't know if you can read that. I'm pointing at it like I expect you can read it. But if it's not a Michigan team, no, I'm not a fan. I am, I live in Texas. Look at look look right here behind me. I don't know if you can see that. Uh but I'm from Michigan. Uh I I lived there the majority of my life. I'm getting damn close to having lived in Texas now just as long. But yeah, I I'm I grew up around the Red Wings, the Pistons, Detroit Lions, Michigan Wolverines, which is the only legitimate college football team in Michigan. Uh, so all you Spartan fans can kick rocks. Uh Mr. Belfold said, all bourbons are whiskies, but not all whiskeys, like Scotch and Irish whiskeys, are bourbons. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how I felt about it. Good to know. I got the IG community on here as well. Patriotic bearded man said, Welcome to the greatest nation in the world, Texas. Yeah, I don't disagree. Trust me, I love Michigan. I have parts of it that will forever be in my heart. But if you were to give me the ultimatum to live in Michigan or Texas, I'm gonna pick Texas every time. There is very little about Michigan, especially when it comes to uh the politics of living there that I just don't care for. Trying to get my now, please let me know if my settings or anything sounds wonky or anything like that. I moved my, not the entire studio around, but I moved a lot around. So I'm just trying to get it all set. Bourbon has to be made 100% in the U.S., has to be 51% corn in the mash, and has to be aged in new oak barrels. Okay, good to know. I thought bourbon had to be, I thought the difference between whiskey and bourbon was the 51% corn, but the aged. How long it's been aged in a barrel? That's what I thought the difference was. Uh aka Fuzzy Dice said sounds good on IG. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Um something's really weird with Instagram. Um, Instagram and Facebook, I know they're both owned by the same people, and my stuff has been taken over uh back and forth between which one has the largest uh following. I hate saying following, um, but people that have followed the channel. And um I don't know Facebook has been the most steady consistent, just steadily cruising up where then Instagram is just this high peaks, low peaks, high peaks, low peaks. Um you sound gay, but it's not your audio settings that you my friend Peter. Uh love it. Um Instagram just has zero consistency. And my Facebook took over for the lead by a huge margin, a huge margin to me. Um, I've been at 152,000 on Instagram now for six months plus. And Facebook's like, we're just gonna keep steady climbing, and it's creeped uh to it. We got to about 150 and you know, it was getting close to taking over the Instagram. Then it was like, we're just gonna shoot up to 175. So it jumped up like 25,000 things. I I think it's at like 176. It's still climbing pretty good right now. So I don't get it. I don't understand. Um, I'm not big on following the numbers. I just I do like to see that everything's steadily increasing, which tells me we're doing the right thing, putting out the right messages. You guys like what we're doing. Um, King Tyson said, New to the page, what do you do? I'm glad you're here, uh, King. Let me tell you what we do. So I am a cop. Uh I am a city cop in uh North Texas. We'll say, I don't ever say my actual agency. Not hard to find out if you want to find it. But I noticed that there was a tremendous gap between law enforcement and the community, and I wanted to figure out how to fix that. I have no delusions that I'm going to fix all the problems, but damn it, a cop that's doing the job needs to try to communicate with the public. Um, so I saw this lack of communication, lack of um bridging the gap, which is, you know, overused. But in that, in that gap, um, I had to try to figure out how do we, how do we close the distance with people that don't like police? I could give a shit less about people that like police. They're not the ones that we got to win over. Who we need to win over are the people that don't like us. And every cop page channel thing you see, it's either a dancing TikTok cop or um an echo chamber for police. And I don't like that. I don't, you're not, you're not doing anything that's solving any problems. You're just placating people that already like you. Police pages, like not just people making police pages, actual official police pages. It's, oh, look, here we're petting puppies at the local shelter. Oh, we're playing basketball in the streets with minority kids. We have three different camera angles. Like it's all fake copaganda shit. You're not winning anybody over. It's got its purpose. Don't get me wrong. I understand, but one, you got to own up. Cops screw up. If you think cops aren't messing up, you're you're lying, you're delusional. So we need to we need to own that. We need to own where we're screwing up. We need to own what we're doing well. So that was another thing I wanted to do. And it all had to be based in something objective, and that's education, in my opinion. Because what does education do? It doesn't necessarily take a side, it just goes where the facts lead us for what we know currently. And currently what we know, you know, de-escalation is a big thing right now. That used to be called verbal judo way back in the day. So I'm just giving you an example. But really, King, what we're trying to do is talk about the bad, talk about the good, being showing examples of both, but explaining and talking about why it's good and why it needs to be repeated if you see officers doing a good job on something. And then talk about the bad and talk about how we fix that, the things that need the way that I see it, the way that y'all see it. And I'm in a fishbowl. I'm a cop. All I see is cop stuff. I've been out of the growing up in, I grew up in Flint. Um, I've been out of that for a long time. So I lose touch. You start losing touch after a year of being out of your in your regular environment. So for me, what I wanted to do was I wanted it to be heavily involved with engagement. You'll see, and and I get, man, I I get so passionate about what I do, I get wrapped up a lot of times with just some of the beatdown of people just constantly the negativity, which don't get me wrong, I completely understand it, but it's a on the scale that I'm at now with you know nearly 500,000 people following what I do. I hear the same messages repeatedly, just worded differently. And as a person that likes to engage, that wants to engage, it becomes to be a beatdown. Um, and uh I I see Arios dropped$2 in the super chat. Appreciate you, brother. He said, Eric is actually a bad cop. Well, you spelled my name wrong, so you're a bad speller. Um, I I matter of fact, I think my name is like all over. Yeah, it's right here. Literally spelled in front of your face. I know Arios just BSing, but um yeah, spell my name right. Put some respect on my name. But King, uh that that's really what helps, in my opinion, stand out is if we show cops in a bad light, we're gonna talk about it and we're gonna own it and we're gonna tell you how to fix it. We're gonna tell you where we see it go wrong. We're gonna tell you about all of these things that cops just more often than not say, well, let's wait till the full investigation comes out. We can't do that anymore. That used to be the old motto, like, wait till the investigation, then cops wouldn't give you any information. Well, damn it, you guys are already seeing the videos before the police see them sometimes, and you're already talking about it. And if you're gonna already see it, already be able to talk about it, I would at least like to get ahead of the curve and give you my perspective as somebody that's done the job 20 years now. And and start from there. Cops get really bent out of shape when they hear my opinion on something based on what I see in the video and say, well, you don't know this, you don't know that. You're a hundred percent right. There's a lot of shit I don't know. But I think it's very arrogant to go out there and say that statement to people. They know that. They know that. People know that I don't have all the information. The only people who get butthurt about it are other cops. You you're just very arrogant to think that everybody else out there doesn't know that we don't have all the information. It's a brand new fucking video. Of course, we don't have all the information. Most of the time it's a brand new video. And even on the ones that isn't, that are not. Um, isn't or are not? I don't I don't know how to say that. Um, but uh Outspoken Tiger from uh Los Angeles. What's up, brother? Uh appreciate you. Um it's that that's what we do here, King, and and it's evolved big time since when we first started. It's a podcast. So, King, let me, I'm still explaining to King what it is that we do. So we do a podcast where I'll interview other cops, other judges, mayors. Uh shit, I interviewed uh Kyle Rittenhouse. Um, I interviewed uh people that were wrongly convicted of murder. That did one did 26 years, another one did 24 years. Um and the point is having conversations about the system, uh and and having conversations about the job through an educational lens, a humanizing lens, which is another overplayed word, humanizing. But what I mean by humanizing, King, is that like right now, you're you're learning about me. This is the humanizing part. So you can tell if I'm full of shit, you'll know. If you people are bullshit detectors too. Cops are good at it, but everybody else has a skill in reading bullshit. If you think I'm full of shit, you're gonna know. And it's the same thing. I want you to learn that about the people I interview. If you think what they're about to say is full of shit, you're gonna pick that up in the first 20 minutes because I'm getting to know them, trying to get you to get to know them as well. And then we get into their specialty. If they're a SWAT guy, we're gonna talk about SWAT, what the training was like, what they think they do really well, what they think they do bad, where they think they can improve. So, all of these things, brother. Um, so that's the podcast side. Then we do this live stream part. Uh, a lot of times what I'll do is I put out shorts and reels, and that's to get conversation going. It's not to go in depth, but we do the live stream to go more in depth on those shorts and reels. And then we'll watch body cam videos, and I'll pretend like I'm the cop in the video, and we start to break down that way. So um Tyson or uh King said, King Tyson said on Instagram, I've also been interested in becoming a cop for a couple months now. Do you have any regrets in your profession? No, I love being a cop. I am in a world where everybody doesn't want to be a cop anymore, and I can tell you recruitment's way down. I love it. Uh, I think the beauty of being a cop is uh Jerry Worms in the house. I see that. Um I think the beauty of being a cop is it doesn't matter how much the rules change, whether in favor of policing or not in favor of policing, you figure out a way to do the job. Show me another job that's going to challenge you that much that often. We are constantly learning and evolving how to do a job that keeps changing. Not a lot of people get to say the job changes all the time. God, I would I could not do a job. I have a hard time even in policing, getting stuck doing the same duties for duties, uh, doing duties for longer than about three years. That's about my limit. And then I get uh I get restless. I feel like I've kind of got it down and then I want to move on to something new that I'm still learning. If I'm continuing to learn, I'm pretty satisfied. Um, so that's that's the cool part about being a cop. So I my recommendations to you, King, if you do decide to be a cop. One, learn the fucking constitution. Two, learn jujitsu. Um, and uh three, learn the constitution. Uh know that inside and out, especially the First Amendment. Um, that's a big one. Second Amendment's great too, don't get me wrong. I love that. Uh Jerry Worms said, Eric, you gotta keep the message going. Eventually, people will catch on. I think, I think you're right, Jerry. Like I said, I do, I do get I do get weary. I do get tired sometimes reading the comments. Um so uh yesterday I just I just I hit I hit a wall. I was especially when sometimes people are dropping messages that aren't or comments that that aren't even related to the video or the point. They just go off on their own tangent. And it's the comments, it's a public forum. They have the total right to do that, and it's when your expectations aren't met. If you guys have watched the ego course that we put on, uh, my expectations aren't being met, and it's frustrating. And I gotta catch myself using my own training to be like, uh, Levine, just quit getting so emotionally invested into your project, which I do. That's uh fuck, you guys know. Anybody that's followed me for a little while, you know I'm emotionally invested into what I do. Uh I love doing this. I like, I like that I feel like it helps. Uh I like helping. That's why I became a cop. I wanted to help. I want to chase bad guys. Uh I want there's uh there's all little parts of it. It's not just one thing. I want to drive fast, I want the lights and sirens going. Not anymore, but when I first started, I did. Now you shit. You I you you ain't catching me in a pursuit. Meaning I'm not gonna be in one. Eric is sensitive. I am! Fuck, I admit it. I know I'm sensitive. I do I do really well for a while, and then it whatever it is that uh helps you regulate. I I hit a I hit a wall from just out because I put a lot of energy into life. Shit, I don't know the other way to put it. Guys, I'm in the military. I'm in um the National Real-Time Crime Center Association as a vice president. I'm in uh I'm an executive board member for a major association. Um I am a supervisor for a real-time crime center, which has got a DFR program, drone first responder program that we're building from scratch right now. Um, and we are building a regionalized crime center, which is going to be the first, I think it's the first level five regionalized crime center in at least in Texas. I know that for sure, but it may be the first one in the nation. I don't know 100% on that yet. So um, Dick Beater means most cops are very sensitive. Yes. Yeah, I I say you're right. Um I I think being aware of it though, that's that's the that's the start. That's the that's half the battle. Gia Joe. Um, but uh so between the military being a supervisor for a crime center in a city of um one 1.2 million people, um, doing the podcast stuff, and then we have DTV. DTV is a completely separate business, and we're trying to make shows that explain technologies for police. We're trying to share, uh, create um shows that share stories about uh people getting released from prison, which stuff we're trying to build. Um, we're trying to do, you know, we're we've got all these other things going on with DTV that we're trying to do behind the scenes. I'm non stop all the time. And I'm a dad. And my wife, I hope she's listening. I'm an awesome husband. So, uh Uh no, I she probably not even watching. So um, but uh yeah, it's I am so busy that I do. I hit burnout. I think yesterday I kind of hit burnout, so I came in today to re to recap or regain that steam by just I reorganized this whole office studio, and it kind of reinvigorated me and just needed something constructive to take the energy out on. So here I am, and I said, I'm gonna go jump on a live. I saw my mom sitting out having a cigarette and watching her stories and see Marine Bloods in the house, Tim's in the house, both uh two of my mods, my mod squad. Um, Dick Beater said, I watch your clips on auditors, most of them act on emotion. Yeah, yeah, the the sound like porky pig. D. The problem with a lot of the police when it comes to the auditor stuff is one, we get that ID crack. We think because we were called to the scene and we made contact with somebody that was in the course of the investigation that we were called on, that we have to ID them. Not only is that not true, it's unlawful. Um, or I shouldn't say it's unlawful, you can ask for ID. It's when you demand the ID that uh becomes unlawful. Um but we get stuck on this stupid wheel where we think because we were called to the scene, this goes into poor training, because we were called there, that we have a right to their ID. And that's not true. So in the state of Texas, I can't speak for every state, but being under arrest, that's when I can ID you uh on a lawful traffic traffic stop that I can ID you then too. And then when I have reasonable articulate suspicion of a crime. So one of the examples I like to use is um I'm walking around the sidewalk and all of a sudden I see a guy running with a mask on, a bag of money, and a person chasing after him. He just stole my money. Boom. I stopped both of them, put put one in cuffs, put them both in cuffs, it doesn't matter. And uh ask, you know, the person who was chasing what's going on, and he stole my money. Okay, cool. Well, I didn't see it happen. Doesn't mean it happened, but I got reasonable articulate suspicion, so now I can't ID. Um now it's very possible that I could release that person with just a report. So I do the report, send that up to a detective, and a detective follows up, says, okay, here's my suspect based on this information, here's my victim based on this information, and they continue to do that uh investigation without me. So um fuzzy dice said, Hell yeah, put them both in cuffs, yeah. Well, I definitely would. Somebody's chasing somebody with money. You both going in cuffs till I figure out what's going on. Love that smoke wagon. Guys, if you have not had smoke wagon, go check out their Instagram page. I like I like following them. They talk a lot about how they make stuff, which is I like the educational side of things. Um, Tim said, but they say as policy, they say it's policy to ID you, which here's the rub. People get a little butthurt because cops can ask for ID. And I am okay with asking. Um, this is where you know, my anti-bad cop crowd, they they don't like the fact that cops ask when they don't have a right to it. And I say it's fine to ask. What I wish cops would do, and this is what I wish policy would dictate, is in in giving them informed decisions to make. Hey, you know, I'm Sergeant Levine, blah, blah, blah, police department. I got you detained for now while I'm trying to figure this out. You know, be very clear when they're detained and when they're not. You know, um, I do not have a right to your ID, but would you mind giving me your ID so I can add it to our report that we're gonna have to do on this? You're not suspected of a crime right now. I have no right to your ID. You know, just be honest. I think it gets a lot farther. And it helps educate the public when they need to ID and when they don't. And it helps cops reaffirm when people need to ID and when they don't. Because if you get in a habit of saying, well, you know, this, and this is how it starts. Policy is why I'm asking for ID. So they're like, oh, I got called here and per policy, I need to ask for your ID. And then eventually that morphs into, uh, we got called here, so I need to get your ID. It's a slow trigger, but it happens that way too. And now another officer hears some other officer say that and they start doing it. They're like, oh, that's okay. And they don't even realize they're doing it. And the next thing you know, you got a whole culture in that police department where they're like, ah, we got called to the scene, we got to get your ID. No, that's not how that works. It's not how that works. So, um, Jerry Worms said, most cops have to do some kind of daily report on every call. So they feel they need to fill in names and data births and who they spoke to. Yeah, absolutely. Because on these forms, it'll have, you know, all that asking for that information. It doesn't mean you have to put it in there. Steve Hill said, Eric, are you still trying to convince your mom to stop smoking? I try all the time. I try all the time. Um, Mr. Billfield said, I don't care when they ask, but the facts are clear that 99% officers ask immediately, threaten to detain them for an investigation and threaten to arrest for failure to ID. Well, I don't know about the 99% uh made-up statistic you just did there, but yes, it does seem like a lot of them do. I'll give you that. But I'm not going to give you 99%. Um, so I think that's where a lot of the problems come in when we start talking about the ID and the problems that we have with First Amendment auditing. Uh another problem is people weaponizing police because they don't know the First Amendment and they're trying to use the police to solve their problems for them. Because oftentimes what will happen is somebody will come out, a citizen will come out, and they don't even come with the right attitude to begin with. And they're like, why are you filming us outside of our restaurant or whatever it is? And so the whole tone, your tone, your tone's coming across, it's all wrong. So they get this tone, and then they get into an argument with the First Amendment auditor, and the first thing they knew, I'm gonna call the cops. So they go and they call the cops. Now they're bringing the cops in to try to solve their problem because they couldn't just handle it politely and they didn't understand people's rights in the first place. So I'm sorry, if you call yourself a U.S. citizen, uh I think you should know Constitution just as well as cops should know it. Um that may be an unpopular opinion, but as a person that's in the military, I just I see a lot of uh ungratefulness for what we have here. And to if you want to be proud to call yourself a citizen, you should know the Constitution. Um just my two cents. Doesn't mean I'm right. Uh so in that they get the beef going back and forth. Now the cops show up, and the cops will make this mistake. They'll try to make contact with who they think the suspect is instead of making contact with the complainant. I am a big fan of going and making contact with the complainant first to figure out if I have any offense. Because a lot of times what you see on the call details is not going to be the same as what this person's actually gonna tell you. So when you get there, you're like, all right what were they doing? Well, they were over on that sidewalk and they were filming us, do all this stuff and invading our privacy. Well, they're in public, you have no expectation of privacy in public. Now I've just educated you. It's a first amendment, right? They have a little they have a lawful ability to be on the public sidewalk and anything that they can see with their camera, their eyeballs, their binoculars, whatever. It's your job to keep your stuff private in public. Even if that means them being on a public sidewalk and looking through the window and seeing your guys' information. It's on you to keep things private inside that business. So there, now the officer has educated the complainant, and I don't even have to go make contact with the auditor if I did it right. So, yeah. Um Sergio Vigario, 93. I find clarity with someone is, I'm trying to read this. I find clarity with someone is the key because I believe I was called, I want to solve the problem and not just putting a band-aid on a problem, whether it's a domestic or a traffic stop. I like, I like that mindset. But you cannot get, you can't let yourself get too stuck when you can't give it the band-aid approach. Because I promise you, a lot of domestic calls is a band-aid. That is a that is a that is stuck on repeat. Um, fuzzy dice said, if blue would stop and think in these situations, be creative, polite. Um, yeah, I think that helps for sure. Um let me see. Uh Jerry said many of these First Amendment auditors do videos in front of banks. This immediately causes concern for the managers and they call the police. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Um but Jerry uh Tim said, only one I've seen in front of banks is cult news, and he's hilarious. Yeah, I did. Yeah, cult news was pretty funny. Um I like it. I love that he just like turn around, put your hands on my back. He's like, all right. He just he's just waiting for the moment.

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First Amendment Audits: ID, Detention, And Law

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Um I don't have any videos prepped or anything like that. I just kind of wanted to do discussion. But um I did want to pull up. Uh let me see here. I did want to pull up our I think I'll go to X again. It seems to work the best. If I can find it. Bear with me for a second, y'all. I am trying to find. There it is. Go to my profile. Beautiful. Okay, so I'm gonna share the screen. All right, let's see. What happens when I make gotta figure out what happens when I biggie size on X. So thing to notice in this video is they and I'm giving you kind of a backstory. They were, this was a motorcycle chase. They were chasing this motorcycle. I think it was no plate on it or something to that effect. Somebody that they've been looking for anyway. Um, he ends up dropping the bike, running on foot, and he has a gas canister for a motorcycle on his person. Now, I've never been a motorcycle rider, uh, but I do know that they'll carry like a little tank of fuel with them if they're going on longer trips. And this guy had one and the officer decided to tase. So um, I'm gonna go back. I want you guys to understand. No, no, no, about police. I want you to understand, okay. And this maybe it's just me, but I can tell you, I know round about where the fire extinguisher is in my patrol car. I know it's in the back. I know it's pushed up against one of the sidewalls. So I don't know which side, but I can tell you that in a moment like this, it's gonna take me a second. I'm getting I'm gonna finger fucking fuddle with the the release mechanism and then trying to get the pin out and use the fire extinguisher itself, like it's not gonna be smooth because I don't use those a whole lot, and I don't have a lot of reps of grabbing one and using it. So it's gonna take a second, especially if I'm, you know, uh adrenaline's gonna hit because I don't want this guy to burn. Um, but what I like is they went from enforcement to rescue. Like the the the switch. And that's what I was really trying to point out in this video is that switch where the media does like to, and this is gonna be me cop splaying for a second, but the media does like to push that cops aren't trying to help, cops trying to hurt people mentality. And then you see something like this this this biker just went on a fleeing through the public and endangering a lot of people, especially motorcyclists. When those things crash, they become little missiles. But it's easy to get emotionally wrapped up and invested because this guy's putting everybody in danger, including yourself. And they immediately, as soon as this guy caught on fire, went into rescue mode. And they didn't they didn't drag their feet, nothing. Um thankfully, also motorcycle guy remembered stop, drop, and roll because he he does it. Um, but I want to see how quick they get the damn fire extinguisher. I'm still impressed with it. Like that cop wasted no like you could hear he was genuine concern for this dude. And somebody argued, oh, he's just trying to save his own ass. No, he's not, he's not gonna get in trouble for how the hell would he know that their guy had a canister of gas on him? He was totally justified in using a taser and just perfect storm happened right here. That's all. They start going back to verbal commands. Put your hands behind your back. Like they didn't, it's very easy to get stuck in that oodle loop where you're like, what the fuck is happening? Like I've been there where you just you you don't even know what to say because you're so you're worried about so many different things. You're worried about this dude being melted, like shit, that sucks. And then you're worried, well shit, I'm the one that caused it. It wasn't intentional, but I'm the one that caused it. And now also he's not secure, like he ran for a reason. Does he have a gun? We haven't even stopped to frisk this guy yet. There's all these things going through your head, and I think that these officers stayed so professional and just handled it like pros in a situation that is not pro.

SPEAKER_04 39:07

I thought he was on the fire anymore.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

Now let me be the first to say that some of it So I really liked that video. Um I'm gonna stop sharing. I thought it was great. I thought it was great how quickly they got to that to that fire extinguisher. That was that was insane. I I've seen a lot of stuff in my lifetime, and that is not one of them. And to to be a again, I'm just very highly impressed with the switch. There was zero hesitation. As soon as the guy lit up, he was running to his vehicle to get the fire extinguisher. He recognized the issue so fast, it was just it was very impressive. Very impressive. Um, Wade Lucero said you shouldn't touch someone who was on fire, their skin can come off. Yeah, absolutely. Um definitely possible. Uh but at the same time, um, you do got to get them secured. So that uh that's that's on this dude. He again, he wouldn't have caught on fire if he didn't run. So but yeah, crazy, crazy stuff. Um put out a video talking about uh army guy travels, he had sent in a request. Um, I'll give you guys credit. Anytime somebody puts out a public request, I get a lot of direct message requests, so I'm kind of under the assumption if you're sending in a sending a it's funny. I just uh if you're sending that in in a DM, unless you specifically say, hey, you can give me credit, I I I leave it anonymous. So I I always say, hey, we got a question here, we got a question there. Well, Army guy asked for the request on comment thread, wanting to know the difference between ICE and police. The question wasn't super specific, but I think what he was trying to get at was, you know, can why are they calling ICE police? And some people say they're not the police, and da-da-da-da. So I the basic premise I said is if you got arrest authority, it's not uncommon to call yourself police. So that's the that was the breakdown on that. Um looking guys, if you're jumping in on uh if you're jumping on on Instagram, thank you. Appreciate you guys. Um doesn't look like there's a whole Instagram numbers suck, man. They always suck. It shows like hundreds of people joining, but it only shows four people in. I don't get it. I don't get it. Uh Chef Rang. V N C A. Chef. I don't know what that means. Sounds cool. Uh I'm not sure what that means though. V N C A.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Um all right, let me let me go to.

Taser, Gas Can, And The Rescue Mindset

SPEAKER_00 42:27

All right, let's go to King uh cult news. We'll watch, we'll watch that auditor video. Craig said Instagram live is awful. Yeah. Um, Jerry said, I would call ICE federal law enforcement versus police, which deal with state and local. I I agree, Jerry. I'm just saying I understand why that why they call themselves police and all that. Stuff as well. So, um, share screen. We're gonna go to this one. We'll biggie size this one. All right. And let me rewind it a little bit. Let me show you what not to do as a cop.

SPEAKER_07 43:13

Sir, if you don't have ID? If you don't have ID, then I'm gonna detain you. And I'm probably gonna arrest you for harassment. Give me your ID.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

Gonna arrest them for harassment. Let's just go down the litany of stupid things this cop says in this video. Um, for one, the call was because this guy was taking pictures through windows of these front-facing public uh businesses, and uh he's on a public sidewalk. So the officer stops, makes contact with him, and decides that he's going to uh stop and detain him for harassment because he asked them, he asked this guy to move along. And he didn't. And he doesn't have to. He's not obstructing anything, uh, and he has every right to film and take pictures on a public sidewalk. So uh because he didn't move, he threatens him with uh detainment and arrest uh for harassment to start out. So um let's keep going.

SPEAKER_07 44:21

Are you gonna be detainer? Sir Controller. Sir, I'm asking questions now. Give me your ID. Give me your ID for I'm arresting disorderly conduct.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

All right. Now we've added another charge here: harassment and disorderly conduct. Um, not giving your ID is not disorderly conduct, especially when you're not when you don't have a lawful reason to get it. So uh Mr. Belfold said that tyrant sergeant has other videos of him arresting people for filming on the sidewalk in Indianapolis. He knew better and knew nothing could happen to him. See, and that's where this is where um if I'm people will say, well, you always say training. It depends. If you knowingly, like if this guy knows right now that he doesn't have a lawful reason to detain this person or put any of these charges that he's throwing out there to get to to coerce ID, then to me, he deserves jail. Because now you're intentionally violating somebody's rights knowingly and with intent to do so. So that's where uh the rub happens with me with other cops who are like, no, it's a training thing, it's a this, it's a that. No, I'm sorry. Like, this is this is where you cross the line with me. Um, yes, cops can lie, but not in instances like this to coerce ID. So let's uh uh the guy in this video you're showing spent 24 hours in jail. They charged him with battery as well. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot. They do you're getting ahead of me, but um yes. So so far we've got disorderly conduct and harassment. Neither charge fits yet.

SPEAKER_07 46:15

Sorry, that's on you. Do you want to do that? Tell me, tell me the now. I'm gonna hit you up because I'm fired.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

All right, there you go. I love how smooth he goes. Uh make sure you get and by the way, credit again to cult news. Um, I don't want him to think I'm trying to steal his thunder, but we are trying to trying to take business away from him so cops quit doing this, but at the same time, I don't want him to to be out for what he does.

SPEAKER_07 46:48

Yes, sir. I know who you are. I know who you are.

Bad Street‑Side Policing: Coercion And Charges

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Alright, so um, so yeah, I I don't have the whole thing on here. Let me stop sharing. But uh yeah, they end up slapping battery charges as well. If you guys go to our Discord channel, um Mr. Bilfill did post the whole, I think it was Mr. Bilfold post the whole video. Uh I ended up watching it, watching it, and uh yeah, they do slap battery charges. Which I don't even know where the fuck that came from. Um so yeah, uh wrongfully arrested, uh wrongfully charged. And the shit part about this, and this is what I want other cops to try to think about, is they gotta like they could, if this person has a regular job as a whatever, they're they could be out their job. They're gonna definitely be out money because they're gonna have to get some sort of defense going. Uh, if they get a public defender, it still could end up costing them, it's gonna cost them money. They're gonna have to spend time out of their day doing things that they could have been doing other things to make money. So it all because of what? Ego. You you didn't want a repeat call. You didn't want to, instead of taking the time to educate and going into the bank to help prevent calls from coming in, you you've just weaponized them and incentivized this guy to keep doing what he does. Why would you stop? Why stop doing what you do with this auditor stuff when cops are making it so damn easy to keep doing it? That's the problem. And cops don't want to take ownership for that. Oh, they're frauditors. Oh, they're just out there trying to make a money trying to make money. Who cares? It's America. Make money how you want. You may not like it, but I it doesn't matter. You don't get to pick and choose what part of the Constitution you like and enforce just the parts you like. It doesn't work that way. Does not work that way. Um yeah, it just gets it gets frustrating. It's frustrating that it's fun, don't get me wrong. It's still fun for me. I still I like I like videos where cops just absolutely kill it on these First Amendment audit uh videos where they just do a great job. They know exactly what they're talking about, and they educate the person, and the auditor catches it all. Like, I love those videos, it's great. Warms my heart. And we'll show those ones off, but uh see way too many videos where they don't get it right. And uh it's crazy in 2026 now that that still seems to be an issue. Seems like we would have this down pat. Um yeah, I haven't got a chance to talk about this video yet.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

Let me share the screen.

SPEAKER_06 50:23

We're going to the chief's face says it all. The number of police officers that we have to fight ice agents on the street. To fight ice agents on the street, to stand by their neighbors.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible idea. Um, one, you there's zero communication going on between these two. Zero communication. Um, because that caught that chief. I I don't know shit about that chief. I don't know shit about that mayor. I don't, I don't follow the news. Um, but I know a little bit about what's going on. And that chief had no clue that that statement was about to be made. Because had he known, you would have told him, don't say that, because that's not true. Um federal federal law supersedes state and local. So uh getting in between like that, causing division is just a recipe for disaster. Now, I have put out there several times, but I'll put it out again. How you fix this issue is in by involving the local police. And here's my little plan in my head. This is what this is what I think. So let's say they're coming down to uh Dallas, Texas. ICE is like, we're going there. We're gonna be there in a month. Cool. If I'm Dallas Petey, I'm gonna say, put me in, put me in touch with uh whatever leaders you guys have for ICE if you guys are coming out here. You meet up. Okay, we want a list of all your targets, everybody that you got warrants for that you plan to go after. And we're gonna vet it. We're gonna see. Okay, cool. Here's all the people you guys got. Um, here's the locations uh that we recommend you go to. Here's the warrants we recommend that you follow through through, and the the ones that we recommend you don't. And here's the list of reasons why. Um these 10 warrants, and we'll just say out of a list of 50. Out of the 50 warrants you got, these 10 right here, these people have not had a criminal record in five plus years, whatever marker you want to make it. They they've had zero. The most they've had is a in their time here in this country, the most they had was a traffic ticket. That is gonna get you negative publicity. Um, highly recommend you don't go after those guys. So you've got your your opinion on the record there. Uh, these other ones, they have been wanted for this. Here's your list of um nonviolent offenders, your burglars, your BMV actors, all that stuff. Um, and then here's your list of violent offenders, people that we've had problems with. Okay. Uh, we recommend you go after the violent ones first. Let us know when you plan to go, where you plan to go. We'll get set up so we can help keep the area uh secure. We're not gonna help with the arrest. And then now you can communicate to your community leaders as the local law enforcement. Now you go say, hey, we met with them, we told them here's our recommendations, and you can have that without giving away information, obviously. Um and we'll see if they choose to do that. Hopefully they do. If they don't, now it's completely on them. Uh, and and the community isn't just going to be outraged at all, law enforcement. They're gonna be outraged with just ICE. But I don't see, I couldn't honestly see ICE not taking the advisement of local PD. They'd be dumb to do that. Um, but right now there's just no communication going on, period. I think that's the problem. You gotta work together. It's the best way to do it. Uh, it's the best way to keep peace amongst everybody. So, um, but calling for them to fight in the street? Really? Come on, guy. That that's spoken like a guy who's never had a violent encounter in his life. Um, Mr. Billfold says, I don't think ICE needs to run it by local law enforcement. They just need local law enforcement to control the traffic and obstructions on the ground. No, I disagree. I mean, that's a part of it. Absolutely. That's a part of it. But they they need to filter through and vet so they can help them because they don't know these people that they're going after. Your local law enforcement is probably gonna know them. And if they don't know them, that's a good sign. That means that person hasn't been a problem more than likely, has doesn't have a real criminal record. So just saying if the idea is to get the violent ones out first, then go after the violent ones first. Go after the ones that continuously victimize people here in the States. You know? And then figure out where you want to go from there. Just my opinion. That doesn't make me right. But I think you're wrong when you say that ICE doesn't need to run it by local law enforcement. I absolutely think they do. If you're gonna do it, do it all the way, do it right. Don't just half-ass it. That idea is half-assing it. Because what's gonna happen? They're gonna go after, you know, little Mary Beth that's working over at fucking McDonald's, been working there for the last 30 years, has never had a criminal record in her life, other than coming over illegally, and that's gonna cause a huge stink.

SPEAKER_05 56:12

Huge stink.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

Where do you get this shit from, Mr. Billfold? They cannot run it by local law unless they local agencies volunteer. The fuck they can't. I have people, FBI, call me every day. Hey, have you heard of this guy? Yeah, I heard of that guy. Okay, cool. What do you know about him? Oh, this, this, that, and the other. It's a fucking phone call. It doesn't have to be sworn in. It doesn't have to be, it's just information sharing. Law enforcement agencies can share information to law enforcement agencies.

SPEAKER_05 56:50

Pretty simple.

SPEAKER_00 56:52

Has nothing to do with it, has to be under 287 G. Fuck out of here with that. It's information. Easily can share information. I didn't say force them to. Holy shit. They can't force local law enforcement to participate, Eric. So it's running it by locals is not legal. It's not forced participation, it's just sharing information.

SPEAKER_05 57:20

Again, working together would be the opposite of forcing. You shouldn't force any of them. That's the problem. Trying to force things. No means no.

SPEAKER_00 57:37

Oh, a lot of these issues can be solved when locals pick up uh and the legal alien for a state charge and then let them out even though they have an iced detention hold. Yeah. Yeah, that is a that's another one. If they get arrested and they're in the jail and they got a detention hold on them, contact and say, hey, your dude's here. Pretty easy. K Dizzle, local law enforcement, mailman ice. Thomas Malcolm, common courtesy.

SPEAKER_05 58:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

For ICE, it is governed by that, Eric. It is the rules for ICE, not the same as FBI. There is no law saying that they cannot talk and have conversations with law enforcement.

SPEAKER_05 58:34

There's not. There may be certain information they can't give, but having conversations can be had. For sure. To me, it sounds like you're making excuses why they can't. He said, Mr.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Bill Food says the FBI does not have the same authority or scope as ICE. No shit. Otherwise, why would they need ICE if they had the same fucking mission? No shit. I know this. But I can talk to the Department of Corrections. I can talk to ICE. I can talk to the DEA. I can talk to uh ATF. I can call them up and say, hey, what do you know about Mr. Billfold? And they can say, well, the information I can give you is this. Ah, we plan to be in the area, you know, uh between this month and that month. Okay, cool. Hey, let us know what we can know, and we'll help you out as far as information that we can give you. So you show me the law, Mr. Billfold. You show me the law that says they can't share information. Show me that. Give me a link, send it to me, whatever. Show me the law that says they can't share information. I have never in my life ever heard that any other law enforcement agency can't share information. There's limited information they can share. But they can definitely fucking talk to each other. Um K Dizzle said, so what happens when ICE is terrorizing legal citizens and they call local police to come save them? What happens then? Well, just like anything, it depends. There's people claiming that there's a bunch of uh illegal things that ICE is doing. When it turns out they don't have all the information, they're they're doing legal things. More often than not, your issues got to get solved in court. Because I can tell you right now, if ICE comes to my front door and says, turn around, put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest, there ain't a damn thing I can do about it. I'm not gonna get violent, I'm not gonna call the police, I'm gonna go to court and be like, they got the wrong guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:09

That's why we have court. So um, Mr.

ICE, Federal vs Local, And Cooperation

SPEAKER_00 1:01:22

Billfold said, I think I'm trying to where's this coming? Freaked out for a second. I think locals would help ice. I'm pointing out why they do not. Sharing information is your term. They can't physically go help, they can't go help arrest. Well established. Just like your term of they can go set a perimeter and help keep the area secure, I which I already said, that's the same damn thing as giving information, talking. They can do that. But they can't go help knock down doors and pull people out of houses or whatever the hell it is they gotta do. Um Fuzzy Dice said, I think the only I think the only can't share is tax info. Possibly. Possibly. The police would need to lower their standards, Gina. Um let me see here. Um executive order protecting the American people against invasion. This executive order requires ICE to authorize state and local law officials. Yeah, again, that's for enforcement. We're not talking about enforcement, we're talking about sharing information. That's not enforcement. Setting the perimeter is authorized under state. Local laws. That's what I'm getting at. So sharing information. That's what I'm getting at. But to uh finalize on this topic, yeah, they division's never gonna work. Causing that stuff is never going to work. Um man, let's talk about this one because I cannot tell I hundreds, hundreds of people jumped my shit over this video. Um it was for something that is so dumb. So I just thought it was funny. Again, this goes into being the point of a video with the the purpose behind it. This one was just to make people laugh because two ice agents ate shit. I don't even know if they're actually ice agents, it just fit for the joke. It was funny. Um so I'll play it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

Did y'all see this latest video of an ice agent being taken down by ice? That's embarrassing, boys.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

So um a bunch of people lost their shit because they said the comedy discharged around. He did not discharge around.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:35

Latest video of an ice agent being taken down by ice.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:41

Both hands are off the weapon. And this is his front-mounted weapons light. It got either bumped by his leg or it's just very sensitive. I have one I can't show you it because the last time I showed anything on a live stream, I got my account banned for a week. I forgot you can't show firearms live on a stream, so I'm not gonna do that. But um, if you just bump them sometimes, they they light up. They're very sensitive, some are. And that's what happened here. This is his light, and the amount of people that lost their shit because they said, Oh, we're just gonna make jokes about cops having uh negligent discharges and not reporting them. That that's not what happened here at all. That was the weapon-mounted light. So um I I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna go back to can I go back? Oh, I'm not clicking on the right part. Um, the part I want you to pay attention to also is their reaction. If that rifle would have gone off, they would have been ducking their heads, they would have flinched real bad, they would have been looking everywhere. This is not the reaction of anybody that just accidentally fired their firearm.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:59

Being taken down by ice.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:01

Watch the reaction afterwards. You're all right, Billy. I am good. Oh, oh, oh. They don't even look back.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:10

That's embarrassing, boys. You're watching.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:14

Uh that was that was pretty embarrassing for them, by the way. Uh that's funny. That shit's funny. Um but uh yeah, to the point of that. Um it wasn't a firearm, so people can stop freaking out. I posted it in the comments as well because I I didn't realize people were going to mistake that for a weapon discharging. I I thought people would have a little more common sense to see that there was zero reaction, zero indicators that that was a firearm, other than that light going off. Uh anyway. Let's uh let's go to another video.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:07

Um yeah, this was uh this was a good one here. Whoops. Let's share the screen. Share base and play.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:29

This is public order training 101.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:31

You never the police. This is one of the most this is one of the most dangerous things that police can do.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:48

So I'm gonna go back. So you can see the chief here. This is uh Brussels police chief. I I don't know where Brussels is at. Is that Germany? I don't know. Um he goes out and he's trying to make an arrest by himself. Public order 101, that you never go out on your own. You always you're actually very, very, very picky on who you arrest in these instances. Um more often than not, if you're gonna do it, it needs to be as a team. Um, it needs to be quick, and it needs to be pulling that person behind a line. So this uh chief is already in the wrong being out there by himself. Um, and when you're when you're going after people, you got to have a target in mind. It looks like he's just kind of going after anybody and anybody you can catch, uh, which is always a bad idea. Um, and specifically in public order, you want to you want to go after agitators. And somebody asked me what what an agitator is, and I'll get to that in a second. But one of the things I want you to see is a project 1868, Chief Jean-Claude Van Down. That's that is a fucking priceless comment right there. Well played, sir. That is great. Um, so when you go out, I want, or when he goes out, I want you guys to pay attention. Uh, the agitator that goes and knocks him the fuck out, right here. He goes to the ground. Now, another guy, another agitator, this guy in the black, he comes over and wallops the guy in the green because he's trying to keep people off this downed officer. And then this dude in the gray hoodie comes in and protects the downed officer. So even though I think he's a part of the protest, he recognized that this was this is way wrong. He just pushes him off. So, you know, I'll give kudos to that guy for stepping up uh in a very bad situation um and and sacrificing him, you know, putting himself out there because the mob could have turned on him just as quickly. Uh, but yeah, you don't you don't ever want to go out there alone. Um and him going out there by himself was a stupid move. Um I hope he learned his lesson in that. And so the agitators, um, when we work public order, there's a ton of people that are trying to try and get you to do something stupid as a cop, or they're trying to draw you out so they can catch you alone like this. And you don't want to get wrapped up in that. And the agitators, the the ones I consider agitators are the ones that are stockpiling bricks, they're stockpiling uh frozen water bottles, very mundane items when they're just sitting there by themselves, nobody thinks thinks about. Um they're they're purposely getting things riled up, trying to get other people to do actions um through that mob mentality. So you you you gotta kind of spot your agitators and uh target target them. So because we I'm all for a peaceful protest. But the moment it starts to turn violent, I'm done. Like, no, it's not what they're for. Peaceful protests are awesome. I've been a part of a lot of them uh as a cop, just going across the entire city, the entire downtown area. Uh I've worked just about every single gay pride parade protest that we've had, BLM protests that we've had, uh man, what other ones have we had? We um the George Floyd ones. Uh our our protests were very impassioned. There's a lot of passion behind people that were there protesting, but we met with them. We talked to the leaders of the that got it going and told them, hey, this is your First Amendment right. We're here to protect you guys. Just just communicate with us and we'll communicate back with you. And we'll try to keep the counter-protesters away from y'all so you guys can get your message across. Because that is oftentimes where the problems come, is from the counter-protesters. Doesn't matter what the message is, there's usually some counter-protesters there. And they're the shit starters, more often than not. Um, so, and then there's people that hijack protests. This is another thing that's a problem. People will show up acting like they're a part of your cause. And oh man, what was the last one I went to? I can't remember what the topic was. So, anyway, I'm leading the police side, and I go and I make contact with the leaders, young 21-year-old girl. Uh, she really got a good pro. She got like 3,000 people. It was awesome. It was kind of cool to see. And she didn't expect to get that many people. So she gets this huge protest going, and these pro-Palestine people showed up, and like it's probably 15 to 20 of them, and they hijacked their not hijack, like they were trying to hijack their protest. And the cool part about when you get a permit for a protest, like the area is yours, whoever's on the protest permit. Well, she did that, she took those steps, and she's like, Can you get these Palestine, pro-Palestine people out of our protests? They're they're alienating everybody, and they're we're worried that it's gonna get violent because of them. And we're like, sure. So they gave us permission. We went and told those people that they had to go. And of course, they they put up a little bit of a stink, but after that, um got them out of there. No one got arrested, but they weren't allowed to be there. So it's pretty cool. Pretty cool to see. So yeah, I peaceful protests are awesome and they're they're very powerful. You don't need the violence to be powerful. It's just having a good message and having a lot of passion. So it's a it's a it's a very cool thing. That's why I like being an American. Uh it's it's it's a cool thing. I I don't think that I've ever been a part of a protest myself. I don't think I've ever been a part of like where I'm there for the cause. I don't think I've ever done that. If you've been a part of a protest, drop it in the chat. Let me know what type of protest you've been a part of, if you want to divulge that. Just curious how it went. What was your experience like? How are the police? Uh Ben Alvarez. Or Ben Alvarnaz said, can't be more and awe of police working protest. I have worked several RNCs and DNCs as bike police. Oh, I had I had fun on every one of them. Every one of them was great. Never got too too crazy. I think we only had a couple times where we actually had to like physically put our hands on a couple people. No one got beat up or anything like that, but the passion that both sides have, you can feel the tension in the air sometimes. And uh, but it's just it's just uh it's just interesting. Interesting to see. You don't see that in a lot of other countries without a lot of violence happening. But I think because our culture is based on it, it we we do it. I think we do it better than anybody else. I could be wrong. I don't know. I don't know. Um let me go over here to the videos. Uh oh no, no, no. We went too far. Um yeah, yeah, yeah. A little little highway safety tip. We'll go to this one. Share screen. Excuse me.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

All right. Let's biggie size this guy.

Crowd Control 101: Agitators And Arrests

Freeway Safety And Patrol Realities

SPEAKER_00 1:16:50

Freeway can turn bad really quickly. Um this brings me to my public safety tips. If you can avoid stopping on the freeway, do it. Uh I have told my wife, you get a flat tire, I don't care if you tear up the rim, get off the freeway. Do not stop on freeways if you can avoid it. Now, obviously, this guy's in law enforcement. He's either got a vehicle pulled over or he's trying to uh run interference, you know, so nobody slams into the back of that truck. So he's maybe just sitting there with his lights on. Um, I liked that the officers on the passenger side. There's a smart move. But when these tires come flying off, he said, thank God it was slow. He's not wrong because sometimes they they'll take they'll take motorcyclists' heads off and all sorts of crazy shit. Um the hard part's gonna be just still have a lot of momentum. You've seen it probably bent that damn door frame a little bit. Probably bent that door, not the frame, but the door. And uh you you gotta explain it to your sergeant, your supervisor. Just imagine, you're not gonna believe this, Sarge. I'm on the cyber, I'm trying to do the right thing. I swear, my heart was pure that day, Sarge. I was just trying to help a trucker out and tire come flying out of nowhere. Almost took my door off. I barely escaped with my life, sir. I jumped out of the way. It's coming in hot. Uh uh, I accidentally ended up in a gay pride march. So I just went with it and walked with them. I mean, it's uh it's a good time. Don't get me wrong. Especially when it's a positive vibe protest. Um we got the, you know, in Texas, we get the pro-marijuana ones. We get like there's a lot of protests that are like they're not there to to gripe, they're there to like in consolidarity about something fun. So Pride Parade one. There's a lot of cool, you know, positive ones that go through. And those are those are really fun. Because everybody's laughing and joking around, and just you know, it's just a uh easy reason for them to all get together, and nobody really, nobody really gets too uh upset about it. Uh Mr. Banning Sweatland in the house. He said, What up, what's up, fam? Nothing banning, just on here trying to trying to have some discussions, talk to people, messing with the new setup, trying to get things hammered out here, and everything looks like it's working just fine. I think I got my sound down. I do need to get another set of headphones. We had three people in studio last time, and that caused all sorts of sound problems because I don't have another set of headphones, so I gotta get some. I also need to get one of those ultraviolet or whatever sanitizers for my mics. Just realized that I haven't sanitized them since I've got them. I've had them like five years. It's probably pretty gross. As I look at my mic. I don't think about this stuff. Um that's Arizona DPS, Anthony said. Still looking over at Instagram. We've been holding about four people on our live at a time, but we got quite a few on YouTube. Uh, at least the classroom size is what I like to say. The pictures of the studio looked great, brother. I appreciate it, Benny. I thought they looked pretty good. Created a little more space. Um, I think my wife ordered the chairs. We're trying to get uh trying to get rid of the table for the most part and create more of an open seating environment. Um Thomas McComb said smoke wagon is the disinfectant. You are not wrong, sir. You're not wrong. Speaking of, let me put a new ice cube on there. There we go. Um listen, if you, you know, now that I'm thinking about it, the putting money into the show, if you guys want to support the show and what we do, if you like what we're doing, you want to support, um, like, shares, and follows is the easy, free, quick way to support us. So highly recommend you guys do that. But if you don't want to do, if you want to do more, if you're like, you know what, these guys, I've watched a few of the shows, I watch a lot of their shorts and reels. Uh, you know, I think they deserve a little bit more uh and you want to help us out financially. The money's not getting rolled into Banning's very high diesel gas mileage account for his big ass truck that he needs to haul his ass around the country. Uh, it just goes right back into the show. We we use things like um YouTube premium so you don't have to deal with ads, because that got me in hot water with a lot of uh of our followers. Um, and then we use it to get equipment for the show uh to get things better and uh more efficient for us. So right now, I'm gonna get another set of headphones because we had Von Kleem in studio, and we had Banning, and we had me. The most I've ever really had it one at a time was two. So I never really thought of a third set. Turns out it looks like I need a third set. So uh that's what we're gonna try to do. Craig Holcomb coming through. He said, you know what? Let me help out. I'm gonna give 10 memberships. So let's go through because there's a game we play. Every time memberships get gifted, there's one person that has never got one. He's been with us since basically the beginning, and that's Marines Blood. So, I'm gonna go through and see if he got one. If he didn't, you guys know the rule. You gotta take a sip. And I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking. I don't even see anybody that got an account or that got a membership of people that normally participate. So, no MB. Take a drink. If you guys are wondering what smoke wagon I'm drinking tonight, it is the private barrel. And it is aged seven years with the red label. So I don't know if you guys can tell, but that's a wax label that's put into the bottle. It's hard to tell, but it oh yeah, you can see the moon shape right there. If if Smoke Wagon had nothing else going for them, it's definitely the coolest bottle that's out there. But Eric, can you do a breathalyzer test at the end of each show? Thing you know what? That's an idea. I could. I I don't have one, but I could try to get a hold of one. I think Banning can get a hold of some of those. I think he's got a I think he's got something there. Thank you for the 10 gifted subs, Craig. Man, that's gotta be hard for Marine Blood to say. But yeah, I could do one. It's not gonna be as high as you guys think it will be. I know I I I have this, but I sip slow. There's not a whole lot of nights I go back to the house where I'm like, holy shit, I had too much. It doesn't happen too often. I have a BHC tester. See, I knew Banning had something. I knew he had something. Um what's your guys' opinion on drones? I'm just curious. There's a lot of talk on license plate readers and data collection and stuff like that. Um, I know that's a hot button topic right now. My opinion is they shouldn't be storing data for you know ridiculous amounts of time. I think, I think 30 days is is is about the longest it should be holding any type of information. Um but drones are they're gonna be taking over. You're gonna have drones on cops, you're gonna have drones on cop cars, you're gonna have drones uh that are in the skies just all the time. They're gonna be here. They're already here, but they're gonna be here way more than what your what your mind is wrapping around right now. I'm just curious what y'all think. Um yeah, BAC is blood alcohol content. Drinking 11-year carn more scotch. I probably butchered how that's actually pronounced, but up here in the Great White North. All right. I don't mind scotch if it's um, I think it's called Highlands style scotch. See, I don't like the real smoky peaty flavor of scotches. Don't I get I'm a big my three my three favorites are it's gonna be bourbon, is my top. Um and then it's kind of a tie between tequila and um tequila and uh what the hell are they called? Cognac. Uh it's a tie between the two because I could I could drink tequila or I could drink cognac. Like the the most common one's probably Hennessy. Um I'll drink Hennessy on the rocks. I I like both. Um Fuzzy Dice said drones are super useful. I agree. I think drones are I am in the process right now of getting my 107. It is a pain in the ass. It is not an easy test, y'all. All the information you have to learn. If you if you are thinking about getting a 107, it's an investment. It is, it's not easy. I have been studying my ass off, and I'm finally, I think I'm about two weeks away from taking the test, maybe feeling comfortable enough to take the test.

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Mr.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:12

Billfold said, I think uh that as the law catches up with technology, cops will find ways to pigeonhole the plain view doctrine into drones as well. Give law enforcement an interest. They will oh fuck you, a hundred percent. Listen, y'all, that that's kind of why I like to have the discussions now. Because if you guys can give me ideas of where you think it'll be abused, I can help try to prevent it. This is the beauty of being a part of the National Real Time Crime Center Association is we create a white page for best practices. So as these agencies are looking to get them themselves, hopefully they reach out to us and we can we can avoid them ruining a good tool. But is it gonna prevent it 100%? No. But damn it, let's try to get it, try to get as many of those problems solved before they happen. So I'm with you, Mr. Bill Fold. You're 100% right. It's going to get abused. Somebody's gonna fuck it up for sure. Uh Ario dropped$5 in the super chat. He said, I think they're pretty cool, but I'm afraid they could be used for stalking, stalking someone for a crime, i.e. retaliation. Yeah, it could be. Now, the beauty of it is, and this is one thing that I do like, is one, you can't hide it. That's the other thing. You can't hide um, you can't hide that at all. And then the other thing is uh the you know, once you have an audit trail, um the audit trail is gonna be super simple to to find. I'm I'm looking over at the Discord, I saw Marine Blood drop something in there, so I'm gonna try to pull it up for y'all.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:56

If I can find I think it's on my TV. It is. Give me one second.

Drones, Privacy, And Policy Guardrails

SPEAKER_00 1:30:27

There we go. My TV behind me is also a monitor that's connected to my computer, so sometimes it opens things and puts it on the TV instead of in front of my face. So I had to turn around, look, there it is. Let me see if I can share this ridiculous picture with y'all. I don't know if you guys have seen, but we've got a new airplane apparently. Check that out. You know what? I'm not mad at that at all. I'm not mad at that. I gotta be two white cops, bro. It's ridiculous. Uh too funny. All right, let me uh stop sharing the screen there. But yeah, um I think you're right, Ariel. I do think uh for sure that it's gonna be used for it's gonna be somebody's gonna do something stupid with it. Gonna do something stupid with it, for sure. Um Andy Fletcher said, Fourth amendment, they already skirt around it. It's not okay. Look, let's let's let's address that. It's not skirting around it if it's legal. It's either legal or it's not. So that is part of police work. Figuring out how to catch somebody lawfully. The bad guys already have the advantage. 100%. They got way more advantage than than the police do. So that has been the history of good guy, bad guy. Good guy has to follow these certain rules. Hopefully, they do that the right way. Um, and then bad guy keeps doing bad guy things until they get caught. Uh rules change. Good guys got to figure out new ways to work with what they can and can't do. Till they don't, and then it gets changed again. That's just how it works. So skirting around something, eh. I don't really consider it skirting around anything. If it's lawful, it's awful. The question would be if they make an area specified for the public to use drones, it will be considered the same as filming from a public sidewalk. Ooh. Interesting. I do, man, I know that the the drone, the really hard part about drones right now is that like local law enforcement can't do anything. It's all FBI are like really the only ones that can do any sort of counter drone things. Wade, that's a lot of buy me a coffees for that airplane. Yeah. And Ryan, I I'll agree with you. There are a lot of gray areas. Definitely right on that. There are a lot of gray areas, and some of the best police work is done in the gray areas. Some of the worst ones is done in the gray areas, too. It's where it's that's why it's gray. Montana search and rescue is the big thing over here. Uh, or overview for scene would have a bigger department for first response types. Yeah. Drones in remote areas is huge. They can help spot fires, wildfires, especially like when you reminded me of Montana. Montana gets a lot of wildfires, big open areas. They got drones that can help put out fires. They actually can do water or fire retardant stuff, the spray, and they can drop medical stuff. So for search and rescue. Yeah, it's a lot of cool things. Marine Bloods dropping the buy me a cup of coffee in the comments. Umy said, that's lame as hell. I don't know what he means. Which what's lame? The airplane was lame or using drones is lame. Um, Mr. Billfold said, unless the state specifically bans it, the open fields doctrine allows them to ignore the Fourth Amendment, not skirt around it. If they can't walk or drive to it without a warrant, they can't fly to it. From what I'm understanding, the air is different than the ground, and that's been established. I think that's the difference. Not 100% on that. That's why I don't have my 107 yet. I don't know. I'm learning, guys. I'm learning. I've never had to deal with being in the air. So I'm gonna be learning with you guys. Uh the open fields doctrine came uh from a case about catching moonshiners. Oh, you gotta catch those evil moonshiners. Uh some of the stupid shit we used to go after. I mean, I think we'd probably still go after people moonshining in certain states. Who knows? Dumb. Dumb, dumb waste of time, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:09

But what do I know? Um, let me go back here.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:17

Um, did we talk about the yeah, we talked about that. Okay. I've covered all the videos that I've put out lately. I didn't cover the uh cops do it better in other country stuff. Um going on an hour and a half. But if you guys got any questions, feel free to drop those in the comments. If you're jumping on on Instagram Lives, feel free to do the same thing, y'all. Uh I would suggest you move over to our Discord uh and our YouTube channel. It's where most of the community talks and participates from, but I don't want to exclude our Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn crowds either. Uh the open fields doctrine established in the 1924 Supreme Court case, Hester versus United States. Andy Fletcher said, because courts can court says it doesn't make it right. Big difference between right and legal. True. Want to get updates on two cops one donut? Join our Discord. Absolutely. Let me throw that guy up on the big screen right there. These discussions rarely hinge on what is right. They hinge on what is legal. And I think that's an important distinguish. Uh that's an important thing to distinguish is what is right and what is legal. Because what is right is way more debatable than what is legal. Not much to argue on what's legal, but what somebody considers right, and I think that's the rub. Certain people think it's right for certain things, and others don't. And it's like i if you and I can't agree on what's right, what do we have to fall back on? Well, what's legal? That's the that's the hard part. That's the hard part. Like me, I'm not a big fan of tickets. I don't think they're right. I'd rather use it as an educational moment for most instances.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:26

But it's legal. And it doesn't mean I'm right. It's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:37

Cops arrest Facebook commenters, commenters, better in other countries. Hey, recently somebody got arrested uh in the States for their Facebook comment or social media comment. Unreal. Let me see if I can find that. Um arrested for social media post US.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:05

Um he spent 37 days in jail for a Facebook post.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:16

Uh let's oh man, I hate posting. I I wish I could find. Let me see if I can just read it to you. I don't like showing pages I'm not familiar with stuff because I don't want them to get all booty hurt. Um, a 61-year-old Tennessee man is finally free after spending a shocking 37 days in jail for posting a meme. Retired police officer Larry Bushart told local radio station he's very happy to be going home after his nightmarish ordeal. In September, after the Charlie Kirk assassination, Larry shared a meme on Facebook thread about a vigil in Perry County, Tennessee. The meme quoted President Donald Trump saying, We have to get over it following a January 24th school shooting at Perry High School in Iowa. The meme included commentary. This seems relevant today. Just after 11 p.m. on September 21st, four officers came to Larry's home, handcuffed him, and took him to jail. He was locked up for threatening mass violence at a school. His bond and an astronomical$2 million. Holy shit. This is America. Police justified the arrest by saying that people took the meme as a threat to their school, which is a similar name to the one where the school shooting occurred 20 months earlier. However, police have been able to have been unable to produce any evidence that members of the public took the meme as a threat. As the intercept noted, there were no public signs of his of this hysteria, nor were there much evidence of an investigation or any efforts to warn county schools. Larry was jailed for more than five weeks, but that wasn't the only thing he suffered. During that time, he lost his post-retirement job doing medical transportation and missed the birth of his granddaughter. Holy shit. Prosecutors finally dropped the charges only after the arrest went viral. Now, a newly freed Larry who spent over three decades with law enforcement and the Tennessee Department of Corrections is preparing to sue. A free country does not dispatch police in the dead of night to pull people from their homes because a sheriff objects to their social media post, FIRES Adam Steinberg told the Washington Post. Now, FIRE is representing Larry to defend his rights and yours. This meme doesn't become a threat just because a sheriff says it is. In America, there are very few exceptions to the First Amendment, including true threats or incitement of imminent lawless action. Jailing first, justifying later flips those limits on their head. If officials can arrest you because they dislike your social media post, then none of us are safe to express ourselves. I agree. I agree with that. That is a so yeah, in America, people are trying to do some bullshit. Um now legally they can do it in other st countries, but I don't think you're gonna make it too far uh here in the states. So on that, I will say that's a hundred percent horseshit. I can't believe that that was even allowed. But um, I'm hoping this guy wins a shitload of money for for him and his family, uh, especially not getting to see his granddaughter be born. That's a big deal. Um that'll be a little challenge. On the top of that lawsuit. Hopefully he's able to do. I mean, sounds like he's got the representation and all the stuff he needs to do it. Um now the problem is it was a sheriff's department that did it, or the sheriff himself. So that's a an elected position to begin with. Uh I don't know what the rules are on that, but uh he definitely that dude deserves to be fired and put in prison himself. You know damn well that that that was you did that shit unlawfully. How do we know that? He didn't warn any schools. If you legitimately took that as a threat, you would have been reaching out to schools. Hey, we need to take these precautions, here's the problems, let's get all these things in motion while we're handling the arrest. He didn't do that. He didn't do shit. He just didn't like the post. So to me, you knew that. See, it's not hard to be a detective, guys. It's not it's not hard to pull out intent. If your intent was because you thought it was a legitimate threat, there's a lot of stuff you would have done. But you didn't, you didn't think that it was a legitimate threat. My thing is, is I wonder if he even knew that this guy used to be a cop when he first started doing all this shit. See? Crazy. Crazy. I hope he wins out a shitload of money. But this is where the qualified immunity is gonna be messed up. Cause I bet on the qualified immunity side of the house that nothing's gonna nothing's gonna happen on that side. Unfortunately, that's where the system needs to be fixed with qualified immunity, in my opinion. Um, but I'm not I'm not going down that road, Mr. Bill Fold. I know he's in there chomping at the Yeah, let's talk about that. No, we're not talking about qualified immunity. We've beat that dead horse on here plenty of times. Um, we did have a lot of fun having um Von Kleem on. I'm hoping to get a lot more in studio lives for y'all to kind of replace doing podcasts. Um, I do, I do think the podcast, tell me what you guys' opinion are. Do you like do you like the podcast in themselves, or would you rather the podcast be the interview live and then we kind of do the Q ⁇ A thing at the end? I like that personally. I like doing that, but I also know that there's some people that are just like, no, I don't want to deal with any of the the live stream, like, you know, placement stuff and all that. You just want to listen to just a regular old interview. Some people like that too. I I like that. That's why I got into that's why I started listening to podcasts. I just like hearing people bullshit and talk together. Um, so just curious what you guys think on that. But yeah, so I'm looking at the speaking of online speech for uh and freedom, the UK put out a game basically warning if you disagree with the government, you can get sent to re-education camps. The bad character backfired and has become really liked.

unknown 1:46:27

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:29

Uh too crazy. Mr.

Speech, Memes, And Overreach

SPEAKER_00 1:46:38

Billfold says, Eric, keep the new format and edit it for podcast purposes. Appreciate it. I like it. I like it. Andy said, I like it all. You know what, Andy, I like you. I like Andy. Oh I I have I I know Matt's retiring this year. I think it's in June-ish, July, maybe. So I'm hoping to get once Matty gets done with all his uh retirement stuff. I'm sure he's gonna have to start burning time eventually, too. So once he does all that, start getting him on a lot more regularly, trying to get him to do his own podcast, do the DTV stuff. Um, I think Matt would be able to do a really kick-ass uh show. Just gotta, we gotta get him set up. Gotta get him, gotta get him from doing out of recording himself in his closet at his house. Uh too funny. But I think that I think that's about all I got for you guys tonight. I think I got about an hour and 45 minutes in me. If I don't got any questions out there, Maureen said he likes the podcast stream. I appreciate it. I do too. Yeah, if you guys don't have a whole lot of questions holding, um probably a good time to cut it. I appreciate all the uh the donations tonight, guys. Thank you very much. Um, it definitely helps. Um, and he said that'll be a loss for his city. It won't be a loss if they take what he did and run with it. I hope they do. Fuzzy Dice said, thanks, Sarge. Have a good night. Appreciate you, brother. You too. Um, but yeah, I I hope, I hope they don't just, you know, sit back and watch him do it all and they're like, that was cool. And then they don't continue it themselves. So Tactical Tequila podcast just joined. Speaking of Matt, as we were just talking, Matt was on the Tactical Tequila podcast. I was on it too. Um, we're we're eventually gonna have Tactical Tequila on our own podcast. So uh his uh oh, he jumped on. He said, check out Matt's uh episode. Also, check out Eric's episode on Tactical Tequila Podcast. So, yeah, guys, make sure you go check out uh Matt's recent episode with him. Um maybe we'll get Tactical Tequila on soon. Try to get, I gotta figure out when. I just switched back over tonight, so I gotta kind of figure out my schedule again when it's gonna flow. Um I'm thinking we're still gonna maybe stick to Mondays if I work 410s, but I don't know if I'm allowed to work 410s right now. So we'll find out. But other than that, guys, uh appreciate it. He said, let's do it. Hell yeah. Uh everybody have a good night. Take it easy, and hopefully we'll see you tomorrow night. I don't have a guest or anything scheduled right now, other than having banning the regular knuckleheads on. So we'll see. See how that goes, see what we can do. Other than that, everybody, have a good night. And to my mods, thank you very much for jumping on and helping out. He said, I'm down. Let me know. We'll do, brother. Everybody, take it easy.