Behind the Camera: Understanding the Audit with Otto the Watchdog

A guy with a sign on a street corner shouldn’t be able to expose a training crisis, but that’s exactly what happens when police misunderstand the First Amendment in public. We bring on Otto The Watchdog, a longtime First Amendment auditor and activist, to talk through the real rules behind profanity, filming, and protected speech and why “I don’t like it” is not the same thing as “it’s illegal.” Along the way, we break down the case law that keeps showing up in viral videos and why basic constitutional rights training still gets treated like an afterthought. 

From there, the conversation gets personal and messy in the best way. Otto shares how pretextual traffic stops over minor equipment violations pushed him into activism, and how a dispute over “needing a permit” to give away food spiraled into national attention and local backlash. We dig into police discretion, ego, and the reality that bad outcomes often come from small decisions made under stress, especially on domestics and low-level stops where officers feel pressure to “do something.” 

We also tackle bigger systems: hiring red flags in small agencies, accountability gaps when officers move department to department, and why body cameras only work when someone actually reviews them. Then we step into the future with license plate readers, weighing stolen-car recoveries and missing-person wins against the risk of mass surveillance and innocent people getting swept up. Finally, we kill a popular myth: auditors aren’t getting rich off lawsuits, and real change usually comes from documentation, persistence, and public scrutiny. 

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Transcript

Safety Disclaimer And Ground Rules

SPEAKER_09 0:00

Before we get started, here's a quick disclaimer. The views and opinions you're about to hear are those of the hosts and guests alone. They don't represent any police department, agency, sponsor, or employer. Two cops, one donut isn't responsible for anything said by guests or for any videos, clips, or content shown during the live stream. This show is intended for adult audiences only. We cover real incidents, we show graphic and sometimes disturbing footage, and we don't shy away from strong language or adult conversations. There may or may not also be alcohol involved. Viewer discretion is strongly advised. Everything you hear or see on the show is for entertainment and educational purposes. It is not legal advice and it's not tactical instruction. And it shouldn't be used for such. By continuing to watch, you're telling us that you understand, you accept all this. All right, now let's get into it. Oh my god, sir. If you knew the the pull and the push of our people to get you on here has been tremendous. So you have a lot of fans from the two cops one donut community.

SPEAKER_08 1:17

I appreciate that. Thanks. It's uh I'm glad to be here. I've been watching what you guys uh having going on, what you've had going on, and I appreciate it. Uh and I'm proud to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_09 1:27

Awesome. Well, very cool. So I want I want to get into your story, sir, but I want people to understand who we're watching, who you are. If they don't know who you are, I kind of want I want to give I guess it's a it's kind of an old classic. Um I'm trying to oh shit. I had the video queued up and now all of a sudden it's gone. Where did it go? Hold on, let me hit play here, make sure I got the right one. I don't, son of a bitch. Give me one second. I had this queued up. We've been talking. Oh, we gotta unmirror you. Hold on a second. Let me turn it around. There you go. Show it again. Shit's fucked up and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Love it.

SPEAKER_09 2:12

See, he gets it. All right. Give me one second. Um, I am going to pull this video back up. I had it ready to go. Here it is. Okay, now let me share the screen. This is what this is the very first video I ever seen of your man. Should pop up here in a second. There we go. Let's biggie size this guy. We're gonna go back. This is on Otto's channel. Oh yeah, they parked. Oh my shit.

SPEAKER_06 2:50

Nope, nope, I'm leaving. Are you sure about that? Is it? Are you sure about that? Are you hundred percent sure about that? You know, so I'm standing on the cyber.

Profanity On Signs And Case Law

SPEAKER_09 3:48

You know what I mean? Alright, I'm gonna pause it from here. It gets so much better, you guys. You gotta watch that one. Um it's funny because he's got like three signs. You've got like three signs there. One is back to blue, one I think says fuck the police, and the other one says God bless our homeless veterans. Is that correct? Bad cops, bad cops. Oh, fuck okay, yeah, yeah. Fuck mad cops. It's great. Um, so fun fact, and me and Banning, Banning's retired now, for those that don't know from your audience that's on here, and I am a current cop. I'm a sergeant, obviously, Sergeant Eric Levine. Um, so in Texas, which is where you're at, uh for that to even to even be a thing, the profane language and all that, um for that to be illegal, it has to be used to incite something that's not being used. Just general obscenities is not illegal. So legality-wise, he's wrong about that. You can have profane language, it's freedom of speech. Uh, it's protected, and it's there's case law behind it. Uh, and the other thing that your language isn't supposed to do that can get you wrapped up in some trouble is to cause uh a fight or an emergency, you know, like I've got a bomb or any of that stuff. So you can't say that crap. Um, but what you had is perfectly legal and perfectly fine, and cops need to understand that. So uh kudos to you, sir. I love that you're out there flexing appreciate it, flexing that first amendment to the max.

SPEAKER_08 5:13

Yeah, so all of all of my signs are rooted in a First Amendment, a well-known First Amendment case. So, I mean, it's already well established. Do you see what I'm saying? Um I mean, I could I could make all kinds of signs, you see all kinds of signs all over the place, but the reason I chose the specific words on the sign is because they were said in the Supreme Court, and I love that.

SPEAKER_09 5:38

That is oh, okay. So a little credit to you. That's some genius shit right there.

SPEAKER_08 5:43

Oh, fantastic. Yeah, it's fantastic. It's uh cohen versus California is I mean the one everybody knows the most.

SPEAKER_09 5:50

Yes. Um, and then I think I actually had one I wanted to bring up. Oh, yeah, yeah, it was Cohen versus California.

SPEAKER_08 5:56

That's the same one. Look at that. I mean, it's uh it's one of the staple core fundamental First Amendment, and that was a recent case. So it's funny because we've always had the right, um, but as time has gone on in this country, we've expanded and well really just more defined um what people can say. And uh you know, you have to remember that at the late 1800s people were being murdered. Well, they called it executed for like if you stole something that was worth more than five pence, which is like a beer, a pint of beer, you could be killed for that. Uh so just look how far we've come in that amount of time. And yeah, uh, people would argue that today we have, you know, we still have some things to work on, and obviously we do, but in the the grand scheme of things, we got it pretty good right now.

SPEAKER_09 6:52

Uh, I agree. I think things are always getting better, but when we find something that needs immediate action to be fixed, you gotta jump on it. And one of those things is the First Amendment. I mean, you start going after the amendments, ours are our rights, you have to be on top of it. And so that is what I we have preached here on two cops one. I don't want to just say I, but all of us on two cops one donut. We noticed there was a huge problem. And what do cops like to say? Well, 99% of cops are out there doing the right thing. Fuck you. No, you're not. How do I know you're not? Because there's hundreds and hundreds of videos of you not. Now you don't have to go shoot somebody to not be doing the right thing. There's you're stomping on people's rights daily. Daily because it's gone unchecked and people didn't know, and there's poor training out there, and there's some that just have ego and they don't care because you're not gonna do anything about it. Why? Because it's gonna cost you more money to go through the system just to be able to get that cop to say, okay, I was wrong. Now what? Slap on the wrist. Uh-oh. We lost auto.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_09 7:58

Nope, he's back. I don't know how. Sorry. Oh, you good? You good, brother? You're pressing buttons, aren't you?

SPEAKER_08 8:05

Yeah, I hit the keyboard and it's something automatic.

SPEAKER_09 8:09

No worries.

SPEAKER_08 8:10

Spooky switch or something.

SPEAKER_09 8:12

But yeah, to my point, um that that's that's kind of been the trend. So we like to push back and we like to highlight what auditors are out there doing. Why? Because over time, do you know what auditors have done in the law enforcement community? You have created better training. Officers are getting trained finally. They're still falling for it, they're still falling in a trap. So it's a slow-moving wheel.

SPEAKER_08 8:38

They are training, training is not a one and done kind of thing. I'm sorry to interrupt you.

SPEAKER_09 8:43

Oh, you're you're the guest. You're you should talk all over banning.

SPEAKER_08 8:47

Okay, sure. Well, I mean, I'm pretty good at that anyway. You are so training is not a one and done kind of thing, it's it's gotta be continuous and repetitive to dr really drill these these uh principles in. Um, because just for example, uh Rothwell, Texas. Um two-pound donut. Yeah, they're they're a gigantic donut. It's a big donut over there. Um they had training, and I know they had training because I forced them to get that training. And then uh here we are five years later, and there's a new batch of officers. You know, some of them were just being hired at the time that all that training was going in, but you look at their records, and I I look at records a lot. Yeah, you know, it's part of my part of my gig. And um, I see all kinds of combat training, you know, sexual uh investigations, you know, trafficking and that sort of narcotics identifications, but very little constitutional or rights of any kind, you know. No, there's no training for that. Um, because it's not exciting, I think. Um, but it could be done online, yeah. It could be done online, and you guys get paid for it. So I don't understand why it should be easy, also. I don't understand why there's not more of that showing up. There's another thing we can do. It's not exciting, you know.

Training Failures And Ego Problems

SPEAKER_09 10:09

That's another thing we can do, Benny. So I don't know if you know this or not, Otto. We put on an ego class um where I'm a cop at, which for all your audience and stuff that doesn't know, you won't hear me talk about where I work. I can't do that. I can't mix my show with where I work. I've been doing this for five years now in April. Uh, so this is our fifth year, but um, I can't mix the two, so I can't say where I work, I can't represent them. It's not hard to find out. If you Google it, you'll figure it out. Uh, but in that, where I work, we actually put on an ego class in our academy so cops can recognize when their ego starts to take over, what their triggers are, all of these things. It's is it a fix-all? Will it fix everything? No, but we're trying something. So we took that class and we put it on on the show. So you just gave me an idea. That's the next thing we can do. We can put on an audit class. That would be great. It's easy. Yeah, it's so easy.

SPEAKER_08 11:02

It's easy. And I've said you know, from the beginning that uh, you know, eventually we're gonna be put out of business.

SPEAKER_09 11:10

I hope.

SPEAKER_08 11:10

Yeah. Well, I hope I thought I didn't think that it would take this long.

SPEAKER_09 11:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 11:15

The next I can't you said I still I can't believe that people are still falling for it.

SPEAKER_09 11:20

Yeah. The next thing you need to do is you need to dress like a like uh a red coat and start knocking on people's doors and telling them you need quarters. Third amendment audit. Yeah, don't come up with me.

SPEAKER_08 11:32

You know, I've already thought about that.

SPEAKER_05 11:33

I don't I think I'll always will always be a thing, in my opinion, man. Uh because human emotions are real, and if you trigger the emotion and everybody can't control them, it's so you're always gonna have some people that you give regardless.

SPEAKER_09 11:48

Um by the way, Otto, this is Trey. Uh hi, Trey. He's never on time. Uh, we're lucky when we get him on the show. But believe it.

SPEAKER_08 11:56

Why are you never on time? Man, don't listen to him, man.

The Debate Around Auditors

SPEAKER_09 12:00

But believe it or not, he is a cop. I know he doesn't look like one and he looks young enough to still be in high school. He looks like he belongs on 21 Jump Street. So but um I want, I I kind of this is what I want to do now, Otto. Um there's there's a thing uh that happens quite often on here where we have the I mean people butt heads over auditors. They think that one side um they're just out for clicks, they're they're trying to bait so they can sue and make all this money. Uh, and then you got the other side that thinks that they're you know they that cops are all bad and they can't they'll never pass an auditor's test. That's why they're out there. Um it always kind of falls in the middle somewhere. We both know that. But yeah, I want nobody ever really gets to talk to an auditor. We don't get them on here a whole lot, and when we do, sometimes we just don't get to ask all the questions. So I want to know the backstory. What got you into doing this? I heard you got a hell of a story uh that even got you involved with police. If you're willing to tell it, if not, that's fine. But I would love to hear your story and what got you into this.

SPEAKER_08 13:10

Yeah, so uh I do have a story, but it was I I wish it hadn't become part of the I wish it hadn't been, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 13:24

Right.

SPEAKER_08 13:25

Um this all started over license plate lights. I was a little bit ticked off that the sheriff's department was pulling people over um over license plate lights. And when I like three of my friends got stopped, and you know, it was all you know what it's for, right? It's they didn't give a shit about the license plate light, they just wanted to look around, you know, we call it fishing. Yeah, fishing. So pretextual trash that stops. That's the legal definition. Sometimes it wouldn't be, it'd be like the license plate light is not bright enough, or your license plate's a little too dirty, or you know, your headlights aren't bright enough. You know, it's dumb dumb shit.

SPEAKER_10 14:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 14:12

Uh and it kind of ticked me off a little bit, and I didn't really know what to do about it. So I started, you know, stewing over that. Um, and at the time I when I was going, I I was working with the church on uh like a food bank. We'd get like huge amounts of food and would box it up and take it, you know, people would come to get it, is what they were doing. And then um a couple of the ladies called one weekend and said that their car broke down, they couldn't uh come and get it. So I took it to them, and it got got me to thinking that I wonder how many people would come, but they can't. So we just started a delivery service, and I was I was the guy. We just started delivering it to people. Did I just cut out? No, you're still there. So we just started delivering it to people. And um one of the one weekend uh we got it was like a 26-foot trailer loaded down with potatoes. Because I guess it was I don't know why, but we got a ton of potatoes and we had no idea what to do with them. So um I talked to the the people at the church and they let me take a trek a truckload of them to this small little town out here. It's it's um it's a neighbor, a suburb of Quinlan, it's not you know, it's kind of a rough area, and I was gonna give them away out there by the bag. And um I just thought I just started looking into all this uh First Amendment stuff, and there was this guy on the internet, his name was Eric Brant, and he you know he's gonna come up as part of this whole uh you know dynamic of cop watchers thing. So I was trying to take them some potatoes out there, and I called the chief because I had already kind of stomped my feet a little bit, and they knew exactly who I was, so I was like, hey, look, I'm coming out there with some potatoes. If you know anybody that needs some, send them over. And she said that I would have to get a permit. And I was like, Well, the church didn't need a permit. To him out potatoes? To hand out potatoes, exactly. They called it uh, they said I'd have to get a permit for solicitation.

SPEAKER_09 16:29

You're not selling them.

SPEAKER_08 16:30

I'm not selling them. Look, uh so it goes under um the case law would be food not bombs out of uh versus I can't remember the town, but food not bombs out of Florida is the one that set the case law on the matter. Um they give food away. The whole idea is that they were they were actually I think they were selling the food, but I don't know if they were actually getting it sold. Um, they would dress like uh military personnel and then hold bake sales with the idea that uh it wouldn't it be what world would we live in if we had an abundant supply of school supplies, but the military had to hold fundraisers to buy bombs, right? So they were trying to raise money to buy bombs, yeah. You see.

SPEAKER_10 17:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 17:19

Um I fucking loved it. I think that's hilarious, you know, clever, it's it's thought engaging. Um so I knew that I didn't need a permit. I knew that I didn't need a permit because I had been watching, you know, other activists. Well, it was more like at the time it wasn't even individuals, these were documentaries about things that had already happened because that was that was the real format at the time. Like um people were uploading movies to YouTube, you know, it wasn't some jackass sitting here with his buddies talking heads, and you know, that didn't exist yet. Um, so anyway, the chief told me that I was gonna have to get a permit for the potatoes, and I stopped at the dollar store on the way over there and made my first sign. Yeah, I think it said um I said, well, the system isn't gonna fuck itself. And the the line that I was well, so I guess I'm gonna have to do it for them. So here I am. You know, it was my first real YouTube video.

SPEAKER_09 18:22

Okay.

Potatoes Permit Fight And Blowback

SPEAKER_08 18:22

Um it went about as well as you think it would. Small town in the country with with my sign brightly colored standing on the corner. Um, I gave away the potatoes. They came out, there was four four of them. It took them an hour and a half to figure out what they were gonna do with me. And uh they decided that if I put my signs up, they they would write me a ticket and leave me alone. So I gave the away the rest of the potatoes, and everything was cool. But I mean it wasn't cool. They they pretty much uh ruined my life after that. The chief called the church and told them that I was a terrorist and doing terrorist things out there. Well, I think what happened is the video went viral, and then uh everybody on Earth called this tiny little town. Uh, and I had no idea the power of the internet at the time, so you can imagine you know, this town that has like 500 people and nobody ever calls City Hall, and nobody ever pays any attention to them. Now all of a sudden is thrust into I mean, the video had millions of views. My I think I got maybe I don't know, 50 or 80,000 on my channel, but I only had 2,000 subscribers, yeah. And then everybody saw it and were so outraged, or I don't know, just blown away that it could have happened because like they everybody had the same reaction that you did. That why do you have to have a permit to give stuff away?

SPEAKER_09 19:46

Right, yeah, you know. I I mean I I get it in certain aspects, if it's but you're out in nowhere. Like if you're trying to go do that inside of a Walmart or something, or on property, like private property, you would ask, yeah, but the Girl Scouts don't need a permit to sell stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 20:04

Does a wallinate lady need a permit to sell stuff?

SPEAKER_09 20:07

Right, that's what I'm saying. It it's really not, and and again, it's really not that big deal.

SPEAKER_08 20:12

It's not a business or anything. Just rope uh you know, see, I don't know. I don't know, and neither do you, and that's my point. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's my point. We've got we have gotten so many fucking laws on the book now that I don't know what I can do from any given moment, right? I mean, I could literally stop at a gas station and and buy I mean, well, I don't know what that shit is, but they just made it illegal here. Something that you can buy at the gas station that's the vape stuff or smokable, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_09 20:44

I know what you're talking about, you know.

SPEAKER_08 20:46

Yeah, like the the the eight or whatever the fuck it is. You won't allow people to smoke the real stuff, but you can have the stake stuff as long as we'll let you have it. Anyway, you can buy that stuff and cross uh the state line, and all of a sudden it's a felony or whatever it is, you know, and you don't know, you don't know, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 21:03

Yeah, and we we kind of we hit on that quite a bit on here. There's just so there's so many laws, and you want a cop to know all the laws. A lawyer doesn't even know all the laws, and neither does a judge. At least they have time to prep and look them up before a case where a cop's got to kind of figure it out on this on the fly. Look at you and I talking like this shit. We don't even know and we're talking about it right now. I'm like, fuck.

SPEAKER_08 21:25

Yeah, yeah, that this is why I stay very specific on what I do. I don't I really don't like audits where you go into buildings because man, it is a dynamic situation, right? Um, yeah, you know, street corners are already dynamic enough, but you know, I I know the rules. Yeah, I know the rules there.

SPEAKER_09 21:43

I just had a guy reach out to me. He was in a public building, a clerk's office, a county clerk's office, but he did it on an election day, and so the rules are different. Yeah, and so he he got kind of hemmed up and he's asking me, I go, brother, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know either. I don't know what the difference is.

SPEAKER_08 21:59

That's why the attorneys make Much money.

SPEAKER_09 22:01

Yeah, exactly. That's why cops cops need a high school degree to get a diploma to get in. Um, but okay. So what year was this?

SPEAKER_08 22:10

I'm just curious. Oh, that was uh end of 2018. It was like Thanksgiving time, Thanksgiving Christmas. We were giving out heaters and blankets and all kinds of stuff. We were we were we were doing pretty good.

SPEAKER_09 22:21

So good humanitarian move. And yeah, I think so. And and here's my thing: if if you're doing a humanitarian move, my question is a cop and banning and Trey, like you tell me if you guys and Trey's a cop out in Cali. So um, me and Banning both from Texas. So you're gonna get different perspectives. Banning was a rural, you know, out in the sticks type of cop. I'm a big city cop.

SPEAKER_08 22:42

So you're gonna get very if we're gonna talk about rules. Uh I mean, you told me that there'd be two cops and one donut, and I'm just assuming that I'm the donut, so I'm not sure if I'm uh third.

SPEAKER_09 22:55

I mean, I could just eat you up, but you're not a donut, sir. Come on.

SPEAKER_08 22:59

Well, you're gonna have to work really hard because this guy hadn't eaten anything in months.

SPEAKER_09 23:04

Well, yeah, banning's been oh shit. Too funny.

SPEAKER_07 23:09

Um be like, hey, yo, chill up.

SPEAKER_09 23:12

Good luck. I've shook his hand. You're not getting free of that hand grip, bro. Banning is a beast.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

He doesn't have seasoning on it.

SPEAKER_09 23:20

Yeah, he done got soft hands like Trey. Trey's our rookie. He's uh he's been a cop about five years. Five, five, six years. Is that right, Trey?

SPEAKER_07 23:31

Uh like four years. Were you a piece of shit yet? Yeah, no, man. Come on, bro. Yeah, not at all.

SPEAKER_09 23:36

Come on, bro. Shots fired already. Nah, four years, though. We're trying, we're trying to teach tomorrow.

SPEAKER_08 23:44

And you're still for the service and the duty.

SPEAKER_05 23:47

Man, that's what that's what I'm always about, man. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_08 23:51

We'll take it back in a couple years. There you go. You just hadn't found the right scheme yet, right? Yeah. I'm just giving you shit. You're not understanding. It's not you. Nah, I get it, bro. I just met a lot of pieces of shit that dress just like we told you before we got started.

SPEAKER_09 24:10

Like, if we couldn't sit here and one, have a good sense of humor about ourselves or at least be self-reflective about the problems in policing, we have no business doing the job because if you can't take the criticism, then get out of it. Because we fuck up. We fuck up a lot. It's way more than that 99%. We had this conversation offline, but it's way more than the 99% are out there doing the right thing. It's not true.

SPEAKER_08 24:34

And it's not that the difference is that you know, if you're if you're uh a lawnmower, uh landscape guy and you fuck up, you you wait a couple months and the bush grows back. The the stakes aren't really that high. Right. And you know, um, if I fuck up a little bit, I you know it's not really that big of a deal. But if a police officer fucks up or a doctor fucks up, uh, you know, the the consequences are a lot heavier. Yeah, doctors have years of practice and training on every but also a doctor is very specific. Right, they don't go too far out of the way and they don't have to know everything about the human body, all they have to know is their area, yeah, and they don't even know everything about that. So we expect these young, poorly educated. If I you know, I don't want to be sound too hard about it, but I mean look at my channel. I've met some right, you know, yeah. I got some depositions. If you got a couple if you got an hour of oh, we've seen, I've seen. I this I've watched them just get and these are master police officers, right? They've they've been 4,000 hours of training, right? Um, they've been teaching other officers. Uh it's it's really kind of sad.

SPEAKER_09 25:56

That's why I Auto, and you tell me what you think about this. Um, and I'm sorry for just taking over the mic, Banning and Trey. If you guys got questions too, just jump in. But you tell me if you you see this same thing. I see I don't want a cop that has a college degree. I want a cop that's worked at as a bartender. I want a cop that's sold cars. I want a cop one, I want one that's older than 25. No offense, Trey. I know you're like 18. Uh, I want one. I want one that has had some life experience. You shouldn't be able to be a cop till you're at least 25, just my opinion. Um, doesn't make me right. And I want somebody that's had some life experience before you go and try to solve a 20-year domestic issue that's been growing and growing for years and years and years. Because that person that can deal with people and talk to people do way better than uh somebody that's been through college two years, four years, whatever it is. And some of those idiots are in those depositions that you've done. I guarantee you look it up. Some of them probably have a college degree. Did that make them a better cop?

SPEAKER_08 26:57

No, one of them did have a college degree, and it did not make him a better cop, but it it did make him more eloquent in his lies. Okay, he knew that he was lying, and he was very good at uh well, I guess I have to say allegedly, in my opinion, and all that bullshit, right? But I mean, you can watch the video, yeah. You have eyes, and the Lord saw fit to bless you with two of them, so you're watching it just fine.

SPEAKER_09 27:22

We watched the Jaffrion deposition on here.

SPEAKER_08 27:25

Oh, that was a good one. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_09 27:28

Was that Gray's video?

SPEAKER_08 27:30

It's just you're right. Uh, people do need some experiences, and I don't know what the solution is, yeah. Uh, but it's uh it's such a varied job. I guess uh, you know, if you were hyper focused and you and you're specifically trained, but that's not realistic to me.

SPEAKER_05 27:49

I think the issue, the issue is people, I think a lot of agencies are focused on uh maintaining an image rather than hiring people with quality life experience, is what I think. But because even some of the people I've tried to get hired on at my department or other ones too. Uh I'm like, yo, these are squared-away dudes, but they they just don't fit the image or don't fit the bill that they're trying to make make sense, I guess. But that's what I think the main the solution is to stop worrying about the image.

SPEAKER_08 28:21

Uh again, a lot of it has to do with what we're asking from you guys. So, one, you at least got to be somewhat of a badass, right? If you're empty-handed or I mean lasting and you don't have the ability to have empty-handed skills, you're kind of fucked. And at some point in your career, you're gonna have to have have the ability to take down a 6'2, dude.

SPEAKER_10 28:43

Yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_08 28:44

And you know, even if you're little, that's not gonna help you. That's not gonna be an excuse when it comes comes time, right? So um, we want them all to be, you know, kind of burly, um, also relatively intelligent. So you got to be a lawyer, a body, you know, a bodybuilder, a boxer, and a jiu-jitsu master. Oh, also a psychiatrist. Uh I understand that we're asking a lot from you guys.

SPEAKER_09 29:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 29:10

And that's really not fair. It's because to hear you say it. Well, I mean, um let's let's be realistic. You know, real realism is that it's a job. Somebody's and we could argue all day whether or not some, you know, the job is needed or not, but you know, I live in the I live far enough out in the sticks and have my entire life that I have no interaction with you guys on ever. Right. But if you live in the city, you're seeing them two or three times a day. They'll I mean I'll see them past each other a few times and we wave it. I don't usually flip them off, but 90%, you know.

SPEAKER_09 29:52

Um that's dealt with that. You can flick us off.

SPEAKER_08 29:57

If I didn't flip them off, they would think that something was wrong with me. They'd think I'd be in kidnapped at the moment.

SPEAKER_09 30:02

Yeah, sir. I thought I thought you needed something. Is that yeah? We shared a video where some douchebag sergeant did that. He's like, Well, I thought maybe that you were flagging me down. You needed something. The fuck you were.

What Makes A Good Officer

SPEAKER_08 30:13

Yeah. So yeah, so you know, and then when you get to like different kinds of auditors, some of some of them are real aggressive. Um, and I don't know what they're going through, I don't know what their stories are. Uh, and everybody handles things differently, as you know, as you guys know, right? So when there's no entry, so as as little entry, a barrier to entry as it is to become a police officer, and and how many get in that really shouldn't have been in to begin with, and how you know some of them can make it, and you know, obviously some of the leaves fall off the tree, yeah. Some of them continue making it, uh, and we can argue all day about whether the shit rises to the top or not, because if a good police officer is you know uh surrounded by bad police officers, then they're going to be pushed out. So if the department is trash, yeah, then you're this is really hard to get anybody in there. If if your administration is such garbage, you know, that you can't hold a you can't keep a good police officer there, then you will never have a good department. You have to cut the tree down, dig up the root, and then plant a new tree. Yeah, and that's incredibly expensive, prohibitively expensive for most police departments. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 31:33

So what's how how would you define a good police officer? Because I feel like that changes from so many people.

SPEAKER_08 34:38

I mean, not everybody has to go to jail. Uh I guess some compassion would be good. Uh, you but you also but you also have to be level-headed enough to know that sometimes um see, I don't even it's it's it's hard because if you're coming to a domestic violence and everybody in there is fighting and there's blood everywhere, you know, somebody's going to jail, right? But if they're just sitting there screaming and yelling at you at each other, what do you do? You know, right? Um, if somebody's drunk, you really don't have any option in that matter, do you? But uh honestly, you kind of should because every person that was born in the 80s that I've ever talked to is like, oh yeah, you know, that was at least a couple times when I came home and I was a little bit, you know, I shouldn't have been doing that. I'm glad, I'm glad I didn't get caught. Okay, so everybody, and sometimes, you know, you get caught and then you get released. But now with the invention of body cams, because we wanted the people wanted to hold them accountable. Now we're also, you know, uh suffering from the lack of discretion now. Um, and what I've seen in the last 10 years is that the removal of discretion has uh led police officers to think that every time they go out they have to have a solution, there has to be a beginning and an end to this, and you know, I have to do something to stop whatever it started at. So I really can't tell you what a good police officer is, but it's a good start is not ending up on YouTube.

SPEAKER_09 36:13

Yeah, knowing the constitution. That's a good start, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 36:17

That's a good start. Yeah, but that's something that that a citizen should do. I guess you'd have to be a so what would you do as a good just a good person? Because we want you to stop on the side of the road and help people with flats and save babies.

SPEAKER_05 36:34

I think that's a good baseline though. I had a uh I had a sergeant tell me that he said with this job, a lot of the time if you use if you if you do what you think is right in your heart, a lot of the time you're on the right side of it. A lot of the time, not every time, but some stuff like I may have to take somebody to jail based on letter or law, even though I personally don't agree with it. The law says I have to do XYZ, then I have to do XYZ. Um, but you bring up discretion, and the sad thing about it is, bro, a lot of the times in situations where I've used discretion, I've even I it's it has turned around and got me in trouble. Or it's it's turned around and beat me in the ass some somehow, some way. Like much overwhelmingly, majority of the times when I've used discretion, it did not go my way. And as someone that's been doing it only four years, imagine somebody like Eric, who's 10, 15, 20s are banning when you've been doing it, you've been using discretion for 10 years, and you're like, man, every time I've done this shit, it screwed me over. I'm done using it. You guess how you get that bitterness.

SPEAKER_09 37:37

Yeah, I'll I'll tell you, okay. So um first, uh Trey, can I I think it's to your left. Can you center yourself a little bit? Sorry, other way, other way, yeah, yeah. And then auto, can you center yourself? Uh oh, yes, that way.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

Yes, beautiful. There you go.

SPEAKER_09 37:56

Yeah, I'm trying to get you guys. I have I have us on vertical platforms and horizontal platforms, so I want us to be centered the best I can. Um, so how it's bitten us in the ass, I'll tell you from my personal experience, domestics are a good one to go with because you'll you're you're not a hundred percent sure. You gotta, you know, you got your spidey senses going off telling you they've put hands on each other. I can't prove it, I can't see it. All right, how can I use discretion? All right, bro. Do you got somewhere you can go tonight? Okay, yeah, cool. I you I do where are you gonna go? Okay, I'm gonna go over to my mom's house. Where does she stay? I'll take you. And I've done this. Take them all the way over there, right? Now, luckily for me personally, this didn't happen to me, but this happened at my department where they took him somewhere pretty far away. Motherfucker got back there, took a cab, got back there, beat the absolute brakes off his woman. And they're gonna want to know why I didn't arrest that person that night when there was a potential for violence, and that person had the capability of committing more violence than the other person. That's kind of the standard. So that has happened, and it's not one of those one-off things, it kind of happens quite a bit. So that that's one way it can bite you in the board.

SPEAKER_08 39:13

Because that's the worst possible scenario it name.

SPEAKER_05 39:16

Yeah, that's terrible. I mean, I guess I can dog, I can I can go all day with the times where it screwed me over, bro. Like, trust, like simple trespass on my head, dude. Please don't come back. I'm asking you, I'll give you a ride wherever you want to go. Wherever you want to go in my city limits, I will take you. I do that, they come back anyway. I could name it with people that are drunk, I can name it with DUYs. I can go all day, bro.

SPEAKER_08 39:37

And it's right, it's sad that I can even what about it? No, seatbelt tickets, bro.

SPEAKER_09 39:43

I'm not writing a seatbelt ticket. Okay. Ever. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_10 39:50

Yeah, I'm not writing.

Discretion Choices That Backfire

SPEAKER_05 39:51

But even that, so so so that's a good conversation, right? Because I consider myself to be a proactive cop, which is what a lot of people don't like. Um, and I may stop somebody for something like that, like a tail light violation, something that people would consider stupid or petty or dumb. And in my head, I'm like, I used to feel like how you feel. Like, why do people stop? Why do why do cops stop people for that dumb stuff? Before I was a cop. And it's like I feel the same way as though if I ask you to search your car and you say no, I can't get mad because you have that right. Correct? So then I feel the same way. Vice versa, if I stop you for a for like a taillight violation, you can't be mad at me because your taillight isn't right. That's obvious.

SPEAKER_08 40:42

Oh, I can know.

SPEAKER_05 40:43

I mean, you can, you know, you you can mad. You can be mad at you.

SPEAKER_08 40:46

Because it's so it's so petty.

SPEAKER_09 40:48

Right. Now it's now with the youngster, it it is I'll tell you how how I know people would verbalize it a little better. If I'm watching a dope house, then I know that there's been a lot of shootings, drive-bys, violence, and stuff like that happening, then I'm waiting for some sort of traffic offense at the vehicles that have been leaving that house every five minutes, trying to figure out who the person is that's causing violence and all that stuff. So when you set up watching a dope house, it's been a problem in the neighborhood, stuff like that. Sure, I can understand that. But if if I'm out and about, again, this is it's just my style. I'm not out writing tickets or running traffic just to try to do that stuff, but then you get into the mess of precursory stops, which is exactly what Otto's talking about. Go and test it, baby.

SPEAKER_08 41:40

I understand why you do it. But it is so shitty, you know, because a lot of times, in my experience from my observations, not even my really my experience, but my observations, a lot of innocent people get wrapped up when we start really pounding, especially just running a lot of traffic, a lot of innocent people get caught up in in all this, and you know, I know that you're out there looking for dope, but you know, for example, when you have uh increased enforcement, like on a section of the interstate, you know, and on every small town you pass, there's a you know, small town cop sitting there. We all know what they're looking for. You you're trying to find that headline bust, right? Right. But what you're actually doing is your entire you know, you might only find find that what once in your career. Is that some I guess some if you're looking for it hardcore, you might have have it more often, but mostly small town cops.

SPEAKER_05 42:44

That's a hill, that's a hill marry type of deal. It's you're not gonna get that all the time, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 42:49

Yeah, so what they're actually doing is out there looking for anything that they can pull over anybody for and then see if they can escalate it. Yeah, and from the citizen, even if you guys aren't the ones doing the escalation, from the citizens' perspective, we have no idea, right? And I guess that's also just for the guys that are just like, man, I fuck I'm so fucking sick of dealing, I don't want to deal with them, you know. It's good because it's gonna cost me something no matter what, you know, and some people are just naturally, especially is it seems it seems like it's more in the South because I've traveled this whole country and I've I've had this conversation a thousand times. So it seems like you know, southern men have a more staunch uh uh uh uh uh resistance um to that to police officers in general, but then they'll also turn around and lick the boots every time they see one, which doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, right? Um, but then a lot of citizens that love you guys and and they get pulled over, like, oh you caught me, right? And they're like, oh, you know, they in their minds they think that you're out there keeping them safe from all the speeders and stuff, right? Right, but we but we know what you're I know what you're actually doing. You're looking for those. There's one and a few, and I don't know how to fill it out. Unless it's a motorcycle.

SPEAKER_09 44:12

If it's a motorcycle pony over, they are only writing you tickets. That's all they do. They're not looking for they don't want to find anything put you in the basket and take you. Those are the ones that are out there going for rent.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

They're just yeah, they're yeah, they're looking for tickets.

SPEAKER_09 44:25

Yeah, yeah, there's a big difference. And and when I'm talking about you know the pretextual style stops, like that's that's what's happening, and and the you're never gonna be able to prove that ever.

SPEAKER_05 44:41

That's illegal, but that that's like impossible. I don't see how you can prove it. I I don't think that's possible to prove it.

SPEAKER_09 44:46

And that's what I'm talking about is like this is part, and this is part of auto's issues because you are, especially in a small town like what you're at. I'm in a big city. So in a big city, you can set up on a I can go set up on a dope house right now. I know where three of them are just off the top of my head. In one small area. Like, but go to auto city, and what do you here's okay? Let me see if I can give you a perspective on something, Otto, that I think people need to know about cops. Let's say I wanted to be a cop my whole life, right? I want to be a cop my whole life. I want to go out there, I want to catch robbers, I want to catch murderers, rapists, I want to do all those things. I want to catch dope dealers. Cool. I'm out there and I go to the academy, right? I do let's let's be generous. I do six months in the academy. You know, it's a good academy, it's decent, it's at least it's six months long. And now I'm out there, and now I'm riding for three or four months with a with an FTO. And you know, he's he's teaching me the ropes. I'm out there, I'm like, all right, cool. And then all of a sudden it happens. I'm riding by myself. I'm that cop, I'm by myself, I'm Billy Badass in my own car. What do I do? Well, all right, I'm gonna wait for those calls to come out. But I work in your city, Otto. How often are people calling about a rape, a murder, uh shooting, uh, a robbery? Probably not a whole lot.

SPEAKER_08 46:03

One and five years ago, something like that. Right. So one and five mostly domestic calls.

Small Town Hiring And Red Flags

SPEAKER_09 46:08

Yeah. So now after having doing that for a few months, you're like, shit, I kind of got police blue balls. None of this shit's happening. Like, I wanted to come out here and help, but I'm not helping anything. How do I prove my worth? Okay, well, let me start pulling over some cars. Show them that I'm working, that I'm doing something. So now you start pulling cars over for some bullshit stuff. That you and I agree. I think it's all chintzy stuff. Like, I'm a live and let live guy. Like, I if it ain't bothering nobody, nobody's calling, like, why do I want to go out there and just start shaking the trees, you know? So I think that that's part of the issue is you get cops that they wanted to go out there and do stuff, and they pick the wrong city, the wrong town, the wrong place, and then they fall into this trap of like, oh, this is how I prove I'm a cop. I got To go pull cars over, and that's what they do. That's just a personal opinion. I'm not saying it's right. That's just what I think. Otto, what do you got? Oh, I'm sorry, Bannon, you go. You ain't talked about it.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

No, I was just gonna say in re in reference to the small town stuff, because I've I've worked in a in a medium-sized agency of about 100 sworn, and then I retired and came out here and ended up working in a in a smaller agency and then going to a rural sheriff's department. So I got to kind of see a lot of the lights that we have, at least here in the state of Texas. And a lot of the things that I I've even witnessed was is you have Officer Schmuckatelli goes to a large agency like Dallas, and for whatever reason he can't get hired to wear either the polygraph or the psyche valve. There was something on there that wasn't clicking, and they said no. And then the back then the records weren't being kept, and then he'd go to, oh, let's say Greensville and then Rockwall or and then no, no, no, and then he goes out to Tyler, and this is just examples. And and Tyler's like, you did great. You only missed two on that, you know, we're gonna we're gonna hire you, we think you're gonna be a great guy. Well, there's there's red flags, and we're not following up with that. And I think that's kind of a a big problem. I know Tico, which is the Texas uh controller of this, if you will, is getting better after this new uh change, if you will, the past few years. They're getting better at tracking that stuff. Uh, but it's the communication going from one department to another, which Eric and I have talked on this show over and over and over. We do need to rein that in. We need to figure out how to get that fake. When I say we, and I'm I'm talking about Austin, whoever's controlling the madness, it has got to be some more checks and balance in there to make sure that we don't get Schmuckatelli a badge and a gun and he goes out there because something's not clicking in his in his head right. I'm not saying he's a crazy guy, but it's just not what we would want out there representing our city as a as a as a peace officer. Does that make any sense?

SPEAKER_08 48:48

Yeah, it does. Hey, and look, if you're about to hire an officer, just give me a call and I'll I'll I'll sleuth them out. Hell yeah. I'd love that shit. Oh yeah. And I'll tell you, it's not that hard.

SPEAKER_09 49:01

He would be fun just to have in the academy to run scenarios with. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 49:05

See, I've I've offered, but nobody's ever accepted. Nobody's taken it.

unknown 49:09

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 49:09

Nobody's ever taken. Well, I've I've I've got people. I've had some uh you know, leadership tell me that uh I should come in and give a first amendment thing, and I always say, Well, it's pretty easy. You know, the first amendment's pretty easy. If you see somebody praying, uh leave them alone.

SPEAKER_09 49:27

Yeah, I mean if they're trying to petition their government, yeah, leave them alone, just leave them alone.

SPEAKER_08 49:33

If nobody's getting hurt, you should just leave them alone.

SPEAKER_09 49:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 49:36

Um, yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_09 49:38

Uh shout out to Mr. Bilton.

SPEAKER_08 49:40

You don't have to go out of your way. And just because you somebody gives you a phone call doesn't mean you have anything at all to do. You know, most calls are bullshit anyway, right? You know, noise ordinances. Go tell your own damn neighbor to turn the shit down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 49:55

Thank you. The people don't like confrontation anymore. Um, but I want to give a shit.

SPEAKER_08 50:04

You know, I underst I know that is terrible, but it at a certain point, either move or maybe maybe we need to have like a library, you know, uh like where you can go to the library and rent a gun for an afternoon, you know what I mean? I don't know. Can I say that?

SPEAKER_09 50:23

Uh you can say that.

SPEAKER_08 50:25

Sorry, I forgot what year it was. I don't know if we can say that anymore.

SPEAKER_09 50:28

Um, shot should be one appointed to you.

SPEAKER_08 50:31

We should have like con like uh like appointed firearms when you turn 18. You should get your first one. 12 or 18, I don't know. We can leave that up to the legislature.

SPEAKER_09 50:43

Yeah, I'm with you. Um, shout out to Mr. Billfold. He dropped two dollars in the super chat and said, uh, shit is fucked up and stuff. Thanks, Otto.

SPEAKER_08 50:51

It is indeed. And the best part is that we all know it, but nobody knows what to do about it.

SPEAKER_09 50:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 50:57

Well, we we know what to do about it, but we can't agree on what to do about it.

SPEAKER_09 51:02

Yeah, and then we got American Cop Watcher Project in the house saying, hello, auto. This is super Taya. Am I saying that correctly? Oh, Taya.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

I think she's this is super, and and and she's this is super, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 51:15

My bad. I needed a comma there. I'm like uh Ron Burgundy, I read the prompter as is.

SPEAKER_08 51:21

You know, you you were talking about hiring officers. It I've followed officers. I'm actually starting a an entire uh project just on tracking officers that I've you know have bad reports on because it's not that difficult to find out where the bad ones are. Um, and I get all of my information from the same places that you do, T Cole, and I don't get all access to everything that you do, but for some reason we can identify. I mean, obviously it's not a hundred percent, but we can kind of like glance over some of these things, like bouncing around from departments, not staying there for you can't even stand in a department for a year, and you said whatever the national register's name is. You said that you worked at a department with a hundred officers. That's a fucking lot of people. That's a that's two thousand army.

SPEAKER_02 52:16

I mean, villages that's a lot of people a hundred people.

Marijuana Arrests And The Money Trail

SPEAKER_08 52:21

That's a lot. What I'm I'm I'm poking around some of these towns that have five or six officers in them. Well, and that's that's I finally agree with that. Right, yeah. The the rumor is, and this is pretty common, that that the same bag of dope can be sold three times before it ever gets smoked. You know, and that that leads me to believe that and well, also we know where these problems are, but for some reason you guys can't find it until it ends up in my pocket. You know what I'm saying? We're busting busting people for I look at the at the at the jail intake logs all the time, and the number of people being being arrested for under two ounces of marijuana is ridiculous, and we could do better, you know. Uh nobody gives a shit about the weed anymore. And even though the federal government's dragging its ass, I wish that local law enforcement would would finally just be like, hey, look, this really isn't a factor in the crime, because I've I know some people who may have used the weed and done some bad things, but it wasn't for that. Right. Use the weed. We got sprouts liquor on every fucking corner, you know.

SPEAKER_09 53:41

Yeah. Um, and that's that it causes all causes way more issues than weed does. Um, we're 100. We've we've preached that on here before. What's funny is the larger departments, they're not, they ain't wasting their time with two ounces or little, or they mess.

SPEAKER_05 53:57

They have other things that they can get you for. There's there's too much stuff going on, uh, and that's no one's really tripping off weed unless it's a whole lot, but yeah, big ACs aren't tripping off the weed.

SPEAKER_08 54:08

The last time I I watched the jail wrestlers, and people are being arrested for it and run through it all the time. And it's an obvious money maker, and I and I can tell you why, too, because they're taking them to jail off of the highway. Okay, so that means that they're taking them to jail, the bondsman gets some money, the public defender's office gets more funding because look at all these cases we have. We can't handle all these cases. Interdiction grant money defender that gets assigned to it gets a freebie because this motherfucker is gonna plead, isn't he? Yeah, right. So uh we get to clog up our court docket um for several months while we make this, you know, drag through court a little bit to the inevitable plea to plea thing. Uh the district attorney gets to say, look how many people we we put in jail for drugs, and they'll just say drugs with with a big red D, right? Because I mean marketing. And then um uh the tow company, the tow truck company gets a lot of money. Um if they don't, if they if they end up staying in jail for a while, then they get to sell their car, right? Which will probably they'll probably sell it to the scrapyard that's across the street that's actually owned by their son-in-law. Isn't that fantastic? And then they'll just either sell it to like you know, yeah, to the note place or something. Well, this is a kid, this is a countywide operation, and there's 60,000 people here.

SPEAKER_05 55:36

I think I think I think what Otto was saying, it does it. I think in a grand scheme of things, that could be happening everywhere. Like in the grand scheme of things, it is happening everywhere. I'm not denying I said it could be, like, I can't I can't get it.

SPEAKER_08 55:50

No, it is.

SPEAKER_05 55:51

It is, but I'm saying with the intention on what you're saying, like, yeah, all those pieces, all those people are making money and using those stats to their advantage. Yeah, that's probably true. But like, I don't think I like me as a cop, I'm not even thinking like that when I'm issuing a ticket or doing something or whatever I'm doing. I'm not saying, like, oh yeah, the toll company's gonna make some money off of me, or the CD attorney's gonna make some money off of me. I'm not even processing it that deep.

SPEAKER_08 56:15

No, but the guy at McDonald's who's flipping the burgers isn't it isn't thinking about me getting fat either. He doesn't give a shit as long as he's getting his paycheck, right? How many burgers I eat? If I went up there and ordered 400 burgers, he doesn't give a shit that the manager is like, hey, this is awesome. I get your report. I sold a lot of burgers this week, even though it, you know, we stacked it all into one bag, right?

SPEAKER_05 56:38

So then my so then where would the issue lie with you if in that situation?

SPEAKER_08 56:42

What is it is it like well it for with individual officers for you specifically, it's because you're a foot soldier of a larger machine and unwilling and unknowing, I should say. You you did you didn't know that you were doing it, yeah. But you but you you're part of the machine, whether you like it or not.

SPEAKER_10 56:59

Right.

SPEAKER_08 56:59

Okay, how about this? Can we agree that the federal government is fucked up? Okay, well, at some point it trickles down onto your face. All of it. Because if the federal government came into your department and said, Hey guys, we need some help, there you are. Yep, you know, and if the neighboring county was like, hey guys, we need some help. There's motherfuckers out here with torches and shit, you would show up because they asked for help. Whether or not they injected a lethal dose of a tranquilizer into a young man's neck, right? As they did in Denver, when and then they started shooting people from the rooftops. I mean, it was rubber bullets. Thank you for that. You know, thank you, thank you for at least we're not uh being murdered in the street. Um but the times have changed, and and we now have all these cameras and they're everywhere, and the perceptive perception is terrible. Although, if you guys think that you got it bad here, well, I mean we get to flip you off and yell at you, so so the pro the protests generally don't r uh go into riots as often. Um I don't think. But if you look at the at the at the like European uh protest, the yellow vest, you remember that? Yeah now that's a fucking protest. What would you guys do if a hundred farmers drove tractors into town and then barricaded the White House with loads of horse shit? You know, or whatever local.

SPEAKER_09 58:40

I know exactly what they do here in the States. There'd be guns out.

SPEAKER_08 58:43

You think it would get hot?

SPEAKER_09 58:45

Oh, you know, bro, it'd be a war zone.

SPEAKER_08 58:49

That's a scary thought.

SPEAKER_09 58:50

It is. Um, I want to give a shout out to uh, and I think she's probably one of your followers. I I haven't seen the name on here before. The American Cob Watcher again. Um, she dropped 10 bucks in the chat and she said, Oh, yes, that's that's Taya Graham.

SPEAKER_08 59:04

She has a she's a great reporter out of Baltimore.

SPEAKER_09 59:07

Oh, oh, that under okay. Now I understand why she's talking about Baltimore. She said there's plenty of crime in Baltimore. Uh, someone stole our car last year. Jeez, oh Pete's. That's uh Baltimore, isn't that what they made? Um The Wire. Remember that TV show?

SPEAKER_08 59:22

Yeah, but and that's based on on a story that they I think they broke that story uh gun trace gun trace track task force.

SPEAKER_09 59:30

Yeah, yeah. That's like that's one of the people cops watch, you know, we watch cop shows, and when we watch stuff like The Wire and Southland are probably the two most accurate cop shows I've ever watched, right?

SPEAKER_08 59:44

Oh, and then you got um okay, and then in Florida, just here recently, it finally came out to like uh accepted as truth that um police officers were buying. Well, I don't think they were buying the cocaine, but they were producing crack and then and then distributing it around town. What and then arresting the users. You didn't know this. No, I never heard that one. Oh man, they didn't let you in on it.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:10

No, they did not. I didn't get a cut. Did you get one, Vanning? Sons of bitches, Florida's keeping everything themselves. Let me get a bump, dog, right? Like that sounds like some Florida shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:23

Didn't even cut me a line of that shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:26

Um, yeah, but they were doing that, and you know, that was uh that's something that has been said as conspiracy theory for my entire life. Uh I don't know when it started, but I always heard that it was CIA and Compton. And that the crack epidemic was was a CIA operation.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:46

I did hear that. I did hear that it was the government that that did that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:50

Yeah, that's that part of through.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:52

Yeah, that put dope into the streets and stuff. It is true.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:56

Hey, Trey can let you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:59

Okay, well, if that's true, and I'm just gonna assume that it is because it's such a good story, I want to believe it.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:06

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:07

Uh, it's a terrible story, really. Yeah, I mean, just think about the implications of that. Uh, so that you you know what I'm right, that's pretty pretty fucked up.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:17

Um, not pretty.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:18

But we're doing it in California and also in Florida. Where else were they doing it? And and do you think that that operation has just ended since uh since crack isn't as super popular as it used to be? Is it is it popular?

SPEAKER_09 1:01:33

No, you you don't run across crack nearly as it's meth. Meth is what it's meth now, yeah. Meth's still pretty prominent.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:40

Um Fetty and heroin, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:44

Fentanyl, the heroin, because you see people doing that damn zombie lean all the time, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:50

Yeah, I've seen so I've seen you know videos, what's that, wherever that street is, and the and the fact that you know that that's that's terrible.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:01

Um, oh also let's just why are they not taking those people to jail for possession? Is it because of the city? So if those people are allowed to zombie walk around town, but you're gonna bust my buddy because he had a roach in the ashtray. Get the fuck out of here, yeah. Right, you're gonna pull him over because he because his license plate, right? And then you're gonna smell the roach in his ashtray, like right, and then fucking ruin his afternoon at the very least. At the very least, he's gonna be shitting his pants for a couple of hours just so that you can sit out there and look for your headline. Is that what it is? I mean, I know you don't, I know you don't, I know that's not why you think I don't I think I think that you're doing it because you're like wanting to be a hero.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:51

Uh I'll tell you offensive.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:54

Is calling you a hero offensive?

SPEAKER_09 1:02:55

Oh no, you miss Steve Ladner, one of our uh famous um followers that he called all cops self-proclaimed heroes. So that's all he would spam in the chat.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:07

So you kind of well, it's not you, it's but it's people dressed just like you that did that, right? They go on TV and talk about how good you guys are all the time, yeah. And and then they'll shoot a lady in the side of the head three times and be like, Oh, she was asking for it. Yeah, but and then and then people like me would say, Well, don't get in front of the fucking car.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:29

That's what we say. You know, I mean that's what we said. Don't get in front of the car, don't get in front of the car. Mr. Bill Fold put two dollars in the super chat, and I'm not sure what he's talking about, but he said, Eric, cover Roy City and their shit with auto.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:43

Oh, Roy City?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

Yes. That butt butts up on uh Rockwall over there.

When Officers Must Intervene

SPEAKER_09 1:03:50

Okay, so uh I'm not sure about that. So let me give a shout out to Daisy. Thank you for dropping$10 in the super chat. And then um, before he goes on to Roy City, MBCNTX said, Why don't the so-called good good cops, I think is what he's trying to say, do something about the bad cops. You scared to get uh blackballed or killed by your own F the police. Um so I I'll address this um personally uh from what I have found is a lot of times cops are handling cops, you just don't hear about it. And it doesn't happen instantly like everybody wants. They want this instant cops just they see a cop doing something, then they go after him, put him in cuffs. It doesn't work like that. Not because of the cops necessarily, but that's how a case works. When a cop is on duty and they're in uniform, the rules change. I can't perceive what that cop perceives. If I go put them in cuffs, I've just could have fucked up the case. So that is one way to look at it. And people want instant justice like it would happen to a civilian, and there's different standards and rules along the line for a person in uniform. You may not like it, but that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

And in a reference to Eric stating they would ruin the case, he's not talking about like a case that the officer that could be doing something bad or illegal is on. He's talking about the totality of the case on that officer.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

A lot of the times, and you know, I've worked in internal affairs, a lot of the times these cops will make ray jeste statements uh after the fact that will help put nails in the coffin, if you will, uh, and get their ass in prison. Sorry, this really pisses me off when uh cops get away with stuff and and uh each one of them, and we need to build a special prison for them, and they can do whatever they want to themselves with that prison uh once they're convicted and locked away. But that really makes me upset when there's officers out there for however long they've been doing things illegal from and you can name it from from planting to to whatever. Um there's a special place in hell after they uh pass away in that prison, too. So it's yeah, um anyway, I'll I'll get off that.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:00

Yeah, we I trust in a prison just for police officers. I don't know. I want them in there with everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:07

That's my little you know, toting on the fact that um and putting them all together, somebody in there's gonna try to be a talk dog and and we start taking care of problems. And that's that's as as deep as I think.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:22

I want him in with gen pop, baby. I want him in with gen pop.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:25

Well, no, you know, 100% with that, but I hope I think there's some of the audience out there that understand what I mean.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:30

Yeah, but so uh oh so uh you remember uh you remember Derek, is it Derek Chauvin? Chauvin, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:36

Chauvin that was the Floyd Floyd case, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:06:40

Yeah, yeah. So so he was on that dude's neck for like a long time. Yeah, yeah. A long time, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:49

And so at what at what point would it have been okay to oh for those cops to come try to fucking break step it up and move it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They should have done something. I'm with you. We're like three minutes in, or it as soon as they're once there's a difference between breaking something up and and following through with a case. Yeah, that that's my point, is just because they don't move in and do something right away, like put somebody in cuffs, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:17

Intervening is different, yeah, it's completely different.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:20

So they should have they should have intervened. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:24

I mean you won't be that's why that's why they got in trouble.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:28

Yeah, well, I think just one of them did the others did the others no. I think all of them got in trouble, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:34

Yeah, I mean may not have been legal trouble for all of them, but there was some sort of consequence of every one of the people on that scene.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:44

But they they should have absolutely done something that and we discussed it on here before. That when he put his knee on there, that wasn't that wasn't him to hold uh him down. I keep wanting it's Floyd, right? Yeah, they it wasn't because they wanted to hold him down, that was him showing the crowd that you're not gonna tell me how to do my job.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:03

That's that's so they should they should have intervened and they didn't they got in trouble because they didn't. I believe so.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:11

I I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:12

So is it just because well, I mean, we can look now and say, Oh, well, the guy died, so obviously they should have done something before he died. You know, there's got to been a moment where it's like, yo, bro, hey, yeah, right. They shouldn't have gotten him out of the car. Obviously, there probably was like it was putting him on the ground, was that okay? It was unnecessary. When should somebody intervene?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:36

When I think in that situation, when they got as far as they had got, I think putting him on the ground was fine. But I think there was stuff that happened to prevent him from getting to that point. But once they had gone as far as they went, I think it was really no choice but to put him on the ground.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:54

So, what would have been the Decent thing, like what if you weren't just an officer, if you were just a person there? Well, I guess that's gonna be kind of hard because I mean you can't you can't just turn off that mentality, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:09:05

For me, I switch people out. If I look if I look at you and think you're emotionally compromised, if I can tell a suspect getting under your skin, I'm gonna be like, Hey, you go deal with the crowd. I got this guy.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:14

So do you think that what would what would like a regular decent person do? Do you think that a regular person should have intervened or said when the crowd was telling them that they'll think the crowd was trying?

SPEAKER_09 1:09:28

Yeah, I that's what I'm saying. I think he looked at that crowd and was the ego took over.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:33

They're out there.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:34

Yeah, you're not gonna tell me how to do my job. Yeah, because they were trying to tell him, get off his neck. You could hear him.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:40

You could I can't remember what I can't remember how long ago it was. You just have to believe me that the case exists because I like I prefer to reference things, I don't know anything about it. Um, it was here in Texas, though. Uh uh man said that his hip was had pins in his hip or something, and he couldn't sit in the car, so he had his feet dangling out the window, and a cop was whacking his feet with a baton for like I don't know, I don't know. It was a bunch. I want to say it was over a hundred. But if I give a number, I'm gonna be wrong.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:13

So it was why was he hitting his why was he hitting his feet to begin with?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:16

Well, yeah, he was not complying, right? He wasn't getting in. Now the guy was saying that his hip was that he had pins in his hip and he can't sit in the car or something like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:28

One question. He hit his feet to get him to put his feet in the car, not to get out of the vehicle or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I'm already.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:37

Yeah, so he stuck his feet out, he got in the car and then stuck his feet out the window.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

And that's that's that's aggravated assault on the officer's park, period. Uh he's aggravated car.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:46

So the other officer should have intervened in that 100%.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:49

Absolutely. 100%. Let me don't get it quit. There's a difference between intervention. I'm all for instant intervention. There's a difference between intervention and then me putting him in cuffs.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:01

There you go.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:02

Like you guys in a heartbeat. So, okay, I'll tell you the the So wait.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:06

So when these officers who sat there and watched are gonna get away with it, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:14

That's absolute complicity, and it needs to be up to the department's leadership when they're supposed to be watching this body cameras. If it's not brought to their attention through their ship supervisor, um they need to be auditing themselves a lot more. When I got to the area where I'm at, the administration didn't even know how to pull body cameras and watch it because they didn't give a shit about it. And I'm a body camera instructor and getting in there and trying to flatten this stuff out. I started going in there and you can tell with the different types of programs or cameras you have if a video's been watched and by who within the organization. So I started keeping a log and we have to do these random audits, and you wouldn't believe what you catch. And I'm not talking about criminal stuff on what can be caught with training, what can be caught for, hey, maybe we need to get more information on a call that's family violence with web. There's so much that these audits catch and help the public and the police department and a whole, it has got to happen at every friggin' agency. Um, but no, that's uh, you know, the person that's you know doesn't stop him off the first let's whack or hit or what do you want to call it. I've never seen this video. Um but they are absolutely complacent. I don't I don't care if it's a patrol lieutenant doing the hit and this is a slick sleeve officer that's standing there as backup or the primary, when that happens, you have to intervene. And if that has to be physical, then it is to stop them to do that, period. And then it needs to be reported up internal internal affairs. Uh, the district attorney's got to get involved with that kind of stuff, period.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:46

Yeah, yeah. It's uh I I agree. You you should be the my favorite case to talk about intervening where they should have intervened was the Sonia Massey case, the boiling water.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:55

There you go.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:56

Like it that one, you talked about cops jumping department to department. How the fuck didn't that guy get caught? He'd been at like six different departments. I don't I may be exaggerating, but it's several departments in a year, each one, like red flag number one. Um two, they had no business even going in that house. They could have left. We we watched that video for the first time on our live, like we didn't even, it was brand new. And I'm like, all right, I would have left here. I would have left here. Okay, I would have left here, I would have left here. There's like eight times that we would have left because the call was over with. You you checked. There was nobody trying to break in. You already know that she's got some mental issues, which is not illegal. Fucking go. It's it's the call's over with. But they wanted to go in the house. They go in the house, and then this lady said that she's gonna rebuke you in the name of Jesus, and your instant reaction was I'll shoot you in the fucking head. And your partner didn't say, Oh, it's time to go. Like, that's instantly what he should have done. Ma'am, I'm sorry, I apologize. You have a good night, partner. You go out in the car, we gotta go. Like, you're already in trouble. Like, let's go. And it did that, didn't happen. There was no intervention. So, to me, that officer should have got in trouble too. If because he should have never fucking been in that house.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:12

If the viewers go back to that video and watch it from the beginning, when they entered the property on foot and they start talking to her at the front door, it should have been done right then and there.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:23

Yeah, we and you knew it was a big thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

It should have never gone any further. They should have got back in their frigging police cars and left. You can also give them information. Here, here's how you contact for mental health services because she was not a danger to her. What she was saying, there was not enough alarming stuff when then those comments for law enforcement intervention, period. And it should have been a done deal right then and there, cleared with some call notes in there of who you spoke to. Uh, no reason to even ID or anything on that, even though if she's the one that's calling. You're gone. You're on to the next. Be available for an actual priority call.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:59

Yep. Yeah, that that that's the one that really sticks out to me about where an officer should have intervened, where an officer shouldn't be hired, where the red flags were all there and you did nothing. Um and and then uh kind of your point, Otto, when we were talking earlier about there's too many laws. Like, what are you doing there? We're not mental health professionals. Like, you knew this lady had a screw loose. You could tell that within the first like 10 seconds there was something off with her. That's not illegal. Go home. Well, go patrol, go do something else. You know, check the yards.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:36

Just go back to the department and wait for the bell to ring, like the fire department does. They don't the fire department doesn't drive around looking for fires looking for fires to put out, and then sometimes starting fires just because, you know, I mean, just like looking for trouble, handing kids lighters, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:56

Okay, that's a good analogy.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:59

You know, nobody ever spoke environment. I heard that a lot, and when I first heard it, I was like, Yeah, I guess we could do that, but then it was I thought about it like, what about all the wanted people that are out there that just wander in the streets, bro? Some dangerous people.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:14

Yeah, but there's about those people. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to be wrapped up in your bullshit. Okay, you know what I mean? So the that's all I know is that I don't want to be wrapped up in your bullshit. I don't want my kids, I don't want, I don't want you talking to my kids because you're dangerous. You might not be dangerous, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:33

No, I get what you're saying. You're you're um you're speaking umbrella-wise, like yeah, because because I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:39

I I mean there there is no Google review for the douchebag standing at my window.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:44

I can't, you know, you couldn't just invent this motherfucker. He was like, no, uh, I can't do that. We should be able to do that. We do we do have the technology now that that we we could easily do that if we wanted to. Uh I don't guess there's enough money in that. Um yeah. Um I mean, dude, we're getting AI assisted body cams. You guys drive the shiniest cars in town, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:09

Now where I'm at.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:11

Yeah, so you better be careful. One of my cars had like 500,000 miles.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:14

Not where I'm at. Yeah, not where I'm at. Um, no, I think I think if we patrol it that way, though, I just think the safe the streets would be way worse. Like, I really do think so.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:24

Yeah. Um, I I'll push back a little bit from a different perspective, Otto. Um for for guys like you, for everyone that's like you that thinks cops shouldn't be doing this stuff, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:17:35

Not a whole lot like me.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:37

Well, but there's hundreds and thousands of Karen's coming to town hall meetings, going to this, that, and the other. I want my cops doing this. I want my cops doing that. Who wins? Who do you say is right? Who do you say is wrong? You kind of just have to get to the checklist everybody that wants their cops to do something.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:58

Well, we we have a very short list of rules that we want you guys to follow.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:02

Yeah, the rules. Now that we can definitely agree on that. It's the constitution. That is the the bottom line, it should fall to the constitution. Yeah, don't don't come to my house.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:15

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. You know, leave my gun alone. Oh, absolutely, brother. So the government shouldn't be able to read. Uh they shouldn't have ears and they shouldn't be able to read. The justice is blind, you know, that kind of thing. So if if you if my sign's offensive, that's uh it's easy. It's easy. I don't understand why you'll be offended.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:38

That's what we need to understand.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:40

That's why I can't do a show. There's or uh a class, like I couldn't go teach a class on this because it's it's so easy. Yeah, I don't know what's difficult about it, you know. Obviously that that's what and that's probably why there's not a lot of training on it. Because you would you assume simple, yeah. Um, it's when you get into the nitty-gritty of things that it gets convoluted because when everybody's calling and saying things, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:05

Um people weaponizing police for their own agenda, weaponizing police. Yep, that's that's it and and Trey, that's kind of what Otto's was kind of alluding to earlier of us being pawns in a bigger show that we don't fully see. Um, that's one of the things I I've learned over a 20-year career is that we get used and abused on both sides, and it's not a lot we can do about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:29

Of course, yeah. I I've I learned that pretty quick. That that is the case. Yeah, I learned that pretty quick.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:39

What was that, auto? Sorry, you broke up. Oh, but you're but you're still doing it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:44

I just do it my way.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:45

I do it my way, Otto.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:47

Hey, look, I understand. You got you got kids to feed.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:50

I do it my way. There's a there's a way, there's there's a there's a way to answer the people and still do it your way.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:00

Right, right. Do you have do you have children?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:03

Yeah, I got two kids.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:05

Oh, right, right. Would you would you uh so when they grow up, you want them to like run a kill shelter at the at the animal animal control, you want them to put down the the dogs? Because I mean somebody's gotta do that, right? Somebody's gotta do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:22

No, that's not what I would want for my kids.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:23

Uh you'd rather them not do that, but somebody's gotta do it. As long as but they would be getting a paycheck.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:29

That's right.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:31

And they and they got good benefits because they're working for the city. Right. So just because the job has to exist. Okay, how about this one? Somebody's got to do the do the business, somebody's gotta do the dogs, right? Yeah, do you want somebody who's super fucking happy about doing it that goes to work or loves the job? No, you know. So if you got some guy in there that that just absolutely loves pounding the fuck out of people, maybe that's not the guy that you have on traffic. Maybe you have you keep that guy in a glass case because we need that dude. We need some, yeah. I'm gonna say something incredibly offensive to a certain number of people. We need some men, right? Some manly men with some big old baseball glove mitt hands, you know. Um, and we gotta keep them in a glass case, and we gotta pump them full of whatever that shit is that you guys, you know, are doing. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:32

TRT. That's what the that's what the case is.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:35

And you break glass in case of emergency, and you send the dogs of war through the door, yeah. You know, uh to the shadow of death or whatever the fuck it is, you know. What but but that's not everybody, yeah. Um, so you you can't you can't have the door kicking dude running traffic. You you're not gonna take, you know, uh I hate to do it this way, a pit bull. Because the pitbulls are every pit bull I've ever had is a super sweet, right? But they look terrible. They're capable of terrible things, even though I think the dogs are fine. So just like you guys, I think I think you're you know fine people.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:16

Yeah. But the power we hold.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:19

Yeah, so you you gotta put the you gotta put the right person in the right job. And I've done a lot of work in in human resources, but you know, like putting people where they need to be, yeah, because sometimes people will come in for one job and they are absolutely not suited for that job, but everybody told them that's the job they want to do because they want to help people, okay. Well, if you're wanting to help people, maybe traffic cop isn't for you, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:22:50

Right, yeah, and what do they do? What do they do with that that pit bull when they get in trouble and they're on a pit bull unit?

SPEAKER_08 1:22:58

Where you want you what are you gonna do with it? You're gonna whack it.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:01

No, then they put them back in patrol. Oh, yeah, put it, yeah. You know what I mean? Like they get in trouble because they're out there doing pit bull stuff and they get to pit bull and then they put them in patrol, or they put them in in traffic.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:14

Well, you can't fire them because you got a fucking union, and everybody's talking about how the teachers unions are the well. I'm going through a little situation right now with some teachers union stuff. I'm not going through the situation I'm assisting in a situation with some teachers union shit. Teacher needs to go, yeah. But can't get rid of her. Well, it's not it anyway. You know what I mean. Yeah, uh, and the same thing with you guys in your in your police union.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:37

And I don't know if you uh follow what these police union guys are saying, but what a bunch of jackoffs, they are not helping you and your image among oh, I've I've gotten into I've gotten into it with them on social media that because they're putting like they put out like the TMPA put out something about First Amendment auditors, and I'm like, Are you kidding me right now? Like so oh my god, don't get me started.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:03

Sometimes I I don't think unions are it was a satire show uh channel like the onion, yeah. Yeah, and it wasn't, it was actually them. I thought it was I thought it was the onion you thought it's the onion messaged them and said, dude, I fucking love what you guys are doing. Please keep it up. I I believed that for a minute, and then the next day I saw that it was actually like somebody else was covering, and I was like, Oh shit, I should probably let them know that that's a spoofed channel, you know, because I didn't want my friend sitting here talking about it's like when the onion uh posted that George Bush or that uh Dick Cheney was talking to George Bush as God through the intercom, and it was reported as fact. Yes, it obviously it never happened, but everybody kind of believed it did because we kind of had the general perspective of George Bush that he was a little bit stupid and that Dick Cheney was really the evil emperor running everything. Yeah, old this is an old guy joke, old as fuck guy joke, right? So it's kind of uh kind of the same thing.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:07

Yeah, Trey was born in 2010, so he's shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:11

Fuck you.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:12

Don't listen to nothing they're talking about. Don't listen to nothing they're talking about.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:18

But I like for everybody watching this, like right now, I just want to point out like this is exactly why I built this platform the way that I did. I love that auto's pushing, I love that he's giving different perspectives. I love that cops are probably sitting here watching this just stewing because they want to say something, because they're pissed off, because they don't like what he's saying. Listen, like you're never gonna grow, you're never gonna be a better cop, you're never gonna be able to figure out how to get better in this profession unless you listen to guys like this. If you want to live in a fucking echo chamber, go do it. You're gonna be a shit cop.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:49

You're never gonna I think people be getting losing track of like just because you don't agree with somebody, y'all can have mutual conversations. Like, I'm sure you can I don't I don't agree with the shit we probably do, and I don't agree with all the shit you do, but we can sit here and we can chop it up about topics and then go our separate ways. But right, a lot of people I'll have a beer with auto radio.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:08

Yeah, I mean, as long as you're not looking at my asshole, I don't give a shit what you're doing. You know, I keep I keep all my weed in my pocket so you guys don't have to look, but you still do anyway.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:18

Right. I'm gonna need to see your ID first though.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:21

Uh my ID is inside my butthole.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:25

Can you funny thing about my ID is uh forgot. Oh shit. Yeah, we we talk about ID crack on here too. Um that's another fun one. Cops being yeah, that's a fun one.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:39

I don't I don't get it. I I I um understand that it's probably an artifact of training. Oh uh that's that everything you do, you they there's a there's a a box on the paper. Oh and I can imagine that it makes your job harder if you don't know who you're talking to. Yeah, but I don't know who I'm talking to either. Yep, you know, and one of the things I don't know what your record is. You so when you show up and I hand you that piece of plastic, you get to know everything about me. Well, let me know your address, yeah. You know, and you'll be like, Oh, well, I don't want you to know that for my protection. Okay, well, I'm out of the fucking watchdog. Maybe I don't want you to know it for my protection, yeah. You know, um, but if every time every time I have a conversation with you guys, you put it in your little notebook, and now it's digital. And we paid for this, right? Uh this fusion center shit. Yeah, and a lot of people keep saying that it doesn't exist, but it's a fusion center. I've gotten my records 100.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:39

I work with the fusion center.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:40

Yeah, I'm not in the fusion center, but I work with it.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:43

I'll tell you all about it.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:44

Well, maybe maybe they're telling me that that I'm exaggerating the capabilities, but if it's possible and I've thought about it, I'm sure the government's already done it or at least tried it. So um, you know, every time you guys put something into your little computer, it gets sent up, right, and added to a file. And I'm pretty sure my file is about you know every interaction that you've ever had, and um, you guys get to say anything you want to on it. And I think that the citizens need to be able to do the same thing about law enforcement because uh you yeah, there there is the ability to make it to write a complaint, yeah, right? But most people are not gonna go through the the the loops, hurdles because it's not easy, loops, they're hurdles, yeah. It's not easy, it's not easy, and then even if we do, um we might not have done it in the proper if we call up there and bitch, that doesn't count. You have to write it, you know, and maybe it has to be there's all these things, right? And every department's a little different. Any way possible to be able to throw that shit in the trash and not look at it, okay? Uh so we need to have some sort of open um complaint process independent of the these individual departments that was probably adequate never. Um, because if you're already having a problem with your local police, then who do you talk to? And then I I'm I as I go back into history, I can just imagine how how much of a clusterfuck this was was throughout, right? And then also that policing is kind of a modern thing that we've just created and then uh assumed that it's necessary, but it wasn't that long ago that there was no such thing as really police. I guess you would have police in cities, but outside of that, everybody was on their own, yeah. Um, and the exaggerations of what we call now the wild west are phenomenally over over exaggerated. There wasn't murders all the time, it was not really really kind of few, and anyway, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:29:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:58

So maybe and we do have a lot more people now than we did then, but we gotta find some kind of balance between spending 60% of a city's income on law enforcement and providing the basic uh functions that we actually that the citizens actually want from law enforcement, um, which really kind of hurts my feelings because the only thing they ever want is like there's people running the red light, or not stopping at the stop sign. Because there's a a town not too far from here that has a blinking red light, and everybody's constantly bitching about this about people not stopping there. I'm like, well, they're not stopping there because nobody stops there. Yeah, nobody stops there, so we're all just trying to get through the light. I mean, that's there's there's a greater symptom there, it's not a law enforcement, you know. Maybe we don't need uh he man out there with a gun running that traffic. Yeah, we're paying. These people a shitload of money. So it sounds like you're just saying about that situation. A lot of things bug me. I don't have any solution.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:04

That situation is it's already like self-efficient. You don't need the leads for the for the trafficking you were just talking about. Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:11

Well, also if if I got a ticket one time ever in my life for speeding, then anybody that ever passes me, I want that motherfucker to get a ticket. You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:24

That's fair enough.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:24

That's fair enough.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:26

Because I got it, then they should get it too.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:29

You know. But right now. Yeah, right now, you know, and oh uh my favorite was uh in the the beginning of cell phones. How many how many people called the police to report drunk drivers? You know, and now I'm like, dude, I fucking wish the drivers would be drunk because everybody's on their cell phone, not even looking at the road. At least the drunk guy is looking at the road. Yeah, he's trying to stay focused, right? He's trying.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:59

Yeah, at least he's trying.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:01

Right. Um, so NBCNTX said, Eric, I'm reading your license and training. 21, 2,175 hours, zero on rights. At least you have worked for one department. Um, there's actually a lot more hours than that, I would assume. Um I do have a dual master's in criminology and criminal justice. I'm a cop in the military, been a cop uh for the military for about almost 20 years as well. Um, that's why we call it two cops, one donut auto. I'm a cop in the military, a municipal cop. Um, not for the dirty way you're thinking, sir. Uh but um I'm also a T-Cole instructor. I am uh the vice president for the National Real-Time Crime Center Association, and I have worked for one other department up in Saginaw, Michigan. I worked there just a couple years. They don't pay, so I came down here where they do pay. So the turd. Not I was born and raised in Flint, Michigan. A little quick background for y'all. I did not like police growing up, and that's the reason I became a cop because I grew up in Flint, and cops in Flint were not good. Um, had really bad interaction, and somebody one day challenged me and said you can be a part of the problem or part of the solution. That's when I decided to try to be a part of the solution and make policing better from within. And I'm trying, I'm not always gonna succeed. And I know it's an uphill battle with a big ass boulder that's gonna keep rolling back down the hill every time a cop fucks up, but somebody's gotta try, right? That's what I do. I'm an optimistic person by nature. I can't help that. I just am. Um usually chipper when other people are pissy and it pisses them off more, and I laugh more. So uh is what it is. So I hope that answers your question, TX. Uh, I do I love training. I'm a big proponent of training, and I preach it all the time. What are you giggling about, Otto?

SPEAKER_08 1:33:53

Oh, because what class? I mean, you're the tip of the turret. I thought that was funny.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:59

I thought it was funny.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:01

I laughed. It's a good one, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:03

Listen, I tell people all the time, call me pig, call me.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:07

That little swirly thing that goes on the top, like an ice cream cone.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:10

Yeah, yeah, like when it disconnects from the butthole and just kind of floats almost right to the top of the water.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:20

Yeah, yeah, a nice calm release. Right. Not one of those, not one of those surprise releases, like when you're taking a shit in a porter party and somebody knocks on the door.

Flock Cameras And Privacy Concerns

SPEAKER_09 1:34:28

Yeah, yeah. And then that blue water hits you, and you're like, oh, dang it. Look at Trey. Trey's like, I am uncomfortable with these people. What's wrong, Trey? Come on, you guys. This is grown folk talk. You you need to grow up. All right, we've been going an hour and a half, y'all. I want I want to open this part up. We're gonna watch some videos. Um, so I wanna I want people to be able to ask you questions auto. So before we get that, I want to just kind of go over some of our stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:01

Um people talking about flock. Let us speak on flock.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:05

Oh, dude, that's gonna be that's gonna be a whole other episode, dude. We'd be going on that for hours. That's a whole super subject.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:13

A flaw camera, no, it this is uh we don't have to be. A flaw camera is just like you guys. I understand why they're there, yeah, but I don't fucking want them. I don't, I really don't I and I understand. I man, I would I would love for the flaw camera to be there when I need it. Unfortunately, I see it doing more damage than actually good because when a police officer is pulling people over for their license plate lights and they're also innocent, or maybe they're not innocent and they had that joint in the ashtray, and then you bust them up for that shit, they're gonna hold so maybe not all of them, but some of them.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:54

There's gonna be times that it gets abused.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:58

Of course, yes, right, and if you poke enough people, eventually one of them is going to bite you. Yes, you know what I mean. Yeah, now and you and you poke you poke one in five American citizens every year.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:14

I I think if you if you back it up with good policy, and that's got checks and balances, because I think that you should only be using those cameras when you have a criminal case.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:25

That's it.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:26

Who's gonna hold the keys?

SPEAKER_08 1:36:28

Who's gonna what I'm at?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:30

Who's gonna hold the keys? Where I'm at specifically, the block policy is so tight that like and if you people have gotten in real trouble for a bit. So I can't speak for everywhere.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:46

I'm at you you're breaking up pretty good.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:53

Oh damn. Can you hear me now?

SPEAKER_09 1:36:57

I can hear you, but you you're moving around like a laggy robot.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:04

Still can't hear me?

SPEAKER_08 1:37:07

I can hear you. But we can only hear you when you're asking if we can hear you.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:13

But I was just saying the the flock cameras uh in our department is the policy is very, very, very strict. And uh it's been getting more strict probably like every couple months. They add something else to it and add some else to it. And uh if you if you go outside that policy where I work, like you're getting in real trouble. Actually, I know people that have gotten in trouble for it, like they are not playing with the flock cameras, but they are such a big asset that I don't see them ever going away anywhere. I don't think they're they're gonna continue to tighten up on the usage.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:46

It's for sure not going away, and they're gonna claim to be tightening up on the usage, but it it it's not, it's never gonna happen. It's it's a private company that's running a massive data collection uh uh scheme. It's and it's a scheme. Uh we're paying for it. You guys get to use it to make us all happy about it because most of us love everything that you guys are doing, and I understand when it's being used for the awesome things, right? To find a missing baby, for example.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:21

Stolen cars almost daily. Stolen cars are great. We're getting people's cars back daily.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:27

Uh, I mean, that's cool, and I understand you know, stolen cars are often used in other crimes. So I I see, like, this is what I'm saying, I understand that, but it's going back to the innocent people that are getting swept up in this, also. Um you're basically you have an officer out there, a superhuman officer, that can read every single license plate as as they pass, and then instantly share that information with every other super officer everywhere, and it's just it just reeks of invasion. Okay, I get that said, it feels very invasive when you do it. Let me put a camera you know on you all the time because it's coming, it is coming, and even your doorbell cameras are not are no longer safe. Now those are are being tied in with flock because it's literally no shit the same company, just with a different name on it.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:31

I think they dumped them. I think after they got the bad press, I think they dumped Flock.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:35

Yeah, bullshit.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:37

That's what they said.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:38

So yeah, okay, well, this company and that company are no longer friends, but they're still owned by the same guy.

unknown 1:39:47

I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:48

Or the same shit stockholders. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter because it's all bullshit anyway, right? Uh we're we're all buying and selling pieces of small fractions of companies, and as long as you follow Nancy Pelosi's stock, you're gonna do well.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:03

Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:05

So they're gonna continue to unflock and it's gonna get worse. Uh, it's now using your your your ring doorbells and and uh allegedly, I don't know if they're still this is why I didn't want to go down the flock rabbit hole because it gets big. It does get big. Yeah, I understand why it's there, but it's you got it's gotta be terrifying. You have to be able to see that it's terrifying. Yes, even just because you're not doing it, using it for the wrong thing. What could you do if you decided to use it for the wrong thing? Right. Do you think that you could get away with it just one time?

SPEAKER_09 1:40:37

No. If you can't, you couldn't everything's got an audit log, there's no way, and you can't doctor it. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:43

I just away with it.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:46

And get caught.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:47

Maybe I'll get caught after that. I don't know I agree with you on that. I do think that there's a lot of stuff you away with once. There's a lot of stuff you cannot get away with multiple times.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:57

Somebody's got to look at that data. That's the true part.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:05

Even with it being looked at, bro, like there is still some ways you can get away with something once. Like, I do look at you on that, but multiple times, no.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:15

That's why I say it needs to be related to a criminal case.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:18

If you're going to get away with it multiple times, but you know, the CIA was selling crack in Compton multiple times, they got away with that.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:29

There's nothing's nothing's foolproof. Yeah, so maybe we shouldn't give you the fucking tool. You know, if if I don't want you having a hammer, maybe you know, drop a nail.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:40

There has to be enough people. There has to be enough people that think the same way you do. Well, I think that that's that's where it sucks.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:49

I don't we didn't we didn't just we didn't have an election and vote and say, hey, what do you guys think about installing all these cameras?

SPEAKER_09 1:41:55

Well, okay, let let's let's you kind of did because your city your city council is the one that approves it.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:03

Oh yeah, well, we that's yeah, they see I guess you're right. I guess we can go if you go farther down, it gets there. Yeah, right. Um, and the city council, you know, most of the I you're fucking right. We're gonna go down this rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:18

See, motherfucker. All right. I say we abandon ship and we go to some videos and talk about the videos because this is gonna keep going.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:26

But we can overseas and see what they feel about the flock cameras and how swamped they are with them and if it's helping them out. Yeah, let's look at other places who have done these things before and see if they if they think it's a good idea. Uh Mr. Bill Fold, he said we gotta balance that with if they've made good decisions in the past, which a lot I think a lot of people haven't.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:48

So, yeah. So Mr. Bill Fold just threw out a uh five dollar super chat. He's mad at it.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:52

Y'all are sending this shit to the wrong PayPal.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:55

It's he said, I borrow a truck to move a fridge. Truck owner has a warrant. Sounds like your boy did you dirty. Uh, Eric runs tag, pulls me over. On what grounds must I ID to him? Because the truck has a warrant. Yeah. That's just how that is. The truck's got a warrant.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:14

Well, if he's driving, then he would have to ID because I mean, you don't have to have a reason to you. So in Texas, oh fuck, I'm gonna tell you guys something you don't know. Yeah, uh, you don't have to have any reason at all to pull somebody over. You can just pull them over to check to see if they have a driver's license.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:32

Yeah, but I I don't know a single department's policy that allows that in Texas. Mine sure as fuck doesn't. Well, good. You see, but and that's actually against policy.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:42

That's where we've made improvements beyond what the law would allow. Yeah. So just because some things are legal doesn't mean that that they're good. 100% we shouldn't do those anymore. Like some departments have no longer been enforcing marijuana things. Yep. Well, we're we're one of them. It's still illegal.

Principal Stops A School Shooter

SPEAKER_09 1:43:59

Yep. So yep, I agree with you. All right, guys. I wanna I wanna because I know if we keep going, we're gonna go down that fucking rabbit hole. Um, so we are gonna change up the screen here a little bit. I want I want auto to see kind of something that we get going on here. Um all right. So we are first, I want to start off because we've been talking about some serious stuff. So I want to I want to start with a win. Um, you guys may have heard about that Oklahoma active shooter uh that attempted to happen at the high school there. I think it's called Paul's Paul's Valley. Oh shit, really? Yeah. Oh, you haven't seen this then yet, Otto.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:40

I think I saw the video, but I didn't know it was there. That's a very uh bin there.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:46

I got some friends from here. Let me uh we'll play this one and shooter in Oklahoma High School. Principal sees the gun, dive bombs at the bad guy. Like most active shooters, they're pussies and don't want actual resistance. So what you don't know is he's been shot in the leg. The principal? Principal, yeah. He got shot in the leg in that initial. Yeah. That's pretty much the end of that one. But um I want to kind of discuss the I'll wait for the screen to go back. Um one, guys, this is this is a testament to the way that I've been trained anyway, is that if you go and you don't hesitate and you go to the threat, you are more than likely. This is for police, I don't expect civilians to do this, you're more than likely going to stop the threat or have a massive impact on it, on the trajectory of everything. And without a doubt, this is one of the most heroic things I've ever seen. I don't know what civilian awards the president is allowed to give, whatever highest honors they can give. This guy deserves it. I do know that his high school students voted him prom king uh a couple days ago at their prom, um, and he showed up. Uh, so kudos this guy. I'm just I'm in awe of the heroicism of this guy. And police are minutes away when seconds count, and this guy was Johnny on the spot, helped save everything. So I love it.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:31

Police were police were 45 minutes away when seconds counted. And and most of that time was in the hall, was spent waiting in the hallway.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:40

Ah, Uvaldi. Yeah, that's another one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one pushes me off too. Yeah, I'm waiting for that whole thing to be released because as soon as it is, I'm gonna we're gonna go off on that one. So yeah, I'm with you. It pisses me off. And I I don't know enough about it.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:55

These are uh that's an isolated thing. I mean, that that it doesn't usually unfold that way, but what kind of what kind of reputation did that that's a stink. That's a stink that's hard to get rid of.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:08

It is because every time we talk about anything with a school, what's the first thing somebody brings up? Well, what about Uvaldi? Well, okay, there's a lot of school things that we've stopped, but right you got one black guy from from a lot of school stuff, and it's gonna stick.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:23

Well, we what just because we have one black guy doesn't mean anything, you motherfucker.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:32

You ain't gotta take that video clip that clip that you ain't gotta take that. Yeah, where are we at?

SPEAKER_07 1:47:38

When I edited this video together, you're definitely gonna say that, and he's gonna be offended. You're offended, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be offended.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:46

I'll be offended.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:47

That was perfect timing. Oh shit, too funny, Otto. Um, yeah, if you want uh if you want a whole copy of this, like an easy way, I can send it to you.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:57

Oh, I'm just teasing.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:58

No, no, I mean, yeah, I share anybody that comes on the platform, I'll share the whole thing with you. You can put it on your platform too. So clip the shit out of it, brother. Especially if you make us look dumb. I'm fine with that.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:09

Well, I mean, the don't that that's what gets that's what people want. They everybody wants the train wreck, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:48:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:17

Um, which you know, I always used to laugh because uh people would would accuse me of wanting of wanting to be arrested. That shit sucks. Yeah, there's nothing I have no interest in being arrested. I'm out here trying to tell jokes, yeah. You know, um, if if I happen to be arrested, uh, you know, that's unfortunate. Um but I shouldn't be. And there should be no reason that I what are they going to arrest me for, I would say. And then, like, oh, well, you have this language on your sign. Okay, well, is it is it more of a problem with the police, or is it a problem I have with the citizens? I don't know. Uh I know that oftentimes the citizens will call the police and then the police will show up feeling that they have to do something.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:07

Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:08

And I don't know what that's about. It's like a tibble with a piece of meat.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:13

Oh no, no, not a piece of meat with a ball. Right. If you throw the ball, they have to have it. I I wouldn't have to do that. It's also because of the whole idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:23

Go ahead, Drew. I think I think also because of the whole idea that we work for you. People think that that means we can do whatever you say, and like, but that's not how it works. But to add to your point, I think that's part of the reason why.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:36

But you also work for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:38

No, 100%. 100%. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:41

And auto, we I've given, I've given um, I don't want to call it classes, but I've said, listen, this is how I would handle every single call that happens with a First Amendment audit style thing where people are they're upset because you're out there filming and got a sign. I tell them, I never make contact with that person. I go out, I'll observe it myself. If I don't see anything, I'll go make contact with the complainant. Hey, what was he doing? Did he break a law? What was the law you saw him break? Or what do you think he broke? Okay, that's not against the law. Let me educate you because I don't want them to call back. So I'm gonna educate him. Like, look, he's on a public place. This is a First Amendment protected thing he's doing, freedom of speech, freedom of this. It doesn't qualify as disorderly iconic, it doesn't qualify as this, that, and the other. And here's why. You have any questions? No questions? Okay. Um, he's gonna be able to continue do what he's doing. I'm not even gonna go talk to him. I learned from uh San Joaquin Valley Transparency that he wants us to at least come tell him that everything's cool just because he wants to know that the cops were called on him. And I said, Oh, okay, I I guess we can start doing that. But for me personally, if I don't have a law being broken and there's nothing I can do, I gotta take an opportunity to educate the caller to stop repeat calls and then bounce. I'm gonna bounce and never even talk to you, brother. That's how it should be done. I always hit our auditors. Sorry. Trey, what you got?

SPEAKER_05 1:51:07

Nah, I said I always if I get a call like that, I'll hit up the auditor secondly like, hey bro, just so you know, people calling about you. And then I'll just leave. Like, if they want to chop it up, we'll chop it up, but if they just want to argue and stuff, I'm just like, all right, have a nice day. But I always tell them that people are calling about them.

SPEAKER_09 1:51:22

Yeah, that's the rookie way. I get it.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:24

I mean, I understand you gotta be careful because we're we're uh we're a spectral. Yeah, what you're gonna get, what whether it's gonna be you know, somebody fun and cordial or uh not want to see you there at all. Or yeah, because I mean it it's it's everybody and it's everywhere in between too. So I guess uh you know it just you have to make your own decision, and there's no right answer because if if you they're wanting to to get a confrontational video, because those are the ones that make get the most headlines.

SPEAKER_09 1:52:01

Yeah, yeah, and you you you can't we just did one last week, um, and I think that's when people brought your name up of a little five foot deputy sheriff that an auditor's on the street, and she started out perfect. It was like, Okay, you're good. Uh, you just so you know, people were calling you trying to get back in the car, and the guy's a pro. A pro. I mean, he gets her ego instantly when he she he asked for her name and badge number, even though she was about to leave. If she would have left, she would have been fine. But the ego took over when he asked for the name and badge number, and she a little bit of a roll reversal. Yep, she started your right.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:43

Let me see your ID.

SPEAKER_09 1:52:44

Yeah, started name drop. Oh man, it got bad, and it was nine minutes of torture. We're just sitting here going, shaking our heads like, What the fuck, lady? You should have left, and now you Done. And she was done. She got fired.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:57

So um oh great. So uh she's starting a new department in any day. No.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:02

So I'm glad you brought that up, Otto, because we've talked about this, and this is something maybe a guy like you who's uh you're smart, dude.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:09

Like not just I mean, I got a long list of people who would disagree with you, but go on.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:14

No, the like just talking with you in this. I know one, I know you know your shit, but the way you form your questions and your perspective and the way you throw some analogies, like you're you're sharper than the average bear. And uh I mean that is a compliment. And I think I I would love to see a guy like you try to get this movement going because I think it's gonna take a civilian and I also think it's gonna take the power of the police. We need a national registry. We need a national registry for anybody that ever applies to be a cop, is a cop, whatever that is. Their jacket needs to be on there and it needs to be something that anytime a cop tries to get hired, that's the first thing the backgrounds people can go to. What's this guy's record? What's his jacket look like? And it's got to be wide the fuck open. And that way we can stop these freaking travelers or whatever wanderers, whatever you want to call them, when they get fired. I'm sorry, in public in public law enforcement, you getting fired's a big deal. Now, is there political moves or people get fired because I mean Banning will tell you because I think he's seen a lot of this more where he's at, but there's guys that get you know railroaded at their department because there's some political move and they get fired through politics.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:27

Are you saying that even police would abuse a system that is supposed to have safeguards to prevent abuse? Yeah, I would absolutely have a flock camera inside your department. Oh yeah, so it's just another system that's not supposed to be abused. We all said we weren't going to, right, but we are, yeah. Yeah, and maybe maybe they don't do it on purpose, but we already have a system that tracks police officers. Uh here in Texas, it's called the T Cole, Texas Commission on Law Enforcement. Right, they have a website that will list your current active uh license number and then all the departments that you work for, as well as your training. Um, that's my go-to. Let's do a quick search on this officer. If you want to get more information, you have to go to the individual departments and uh and request that. And of course, because uh you know I'm just a regular citizen, a lot of that sometimes it's hard to get. So it takes a while and costs a lot of money sometimes. So I would have uh absolutely back um having more information on the T Call website. Um, but actually what's what seems to be going on is the is the opposite direction. So so now um the there's a push from your buddies at the uh the brotherhood, which is a fucked up name for anything in these days. I think we should change the name the fraternal brotherhood or whatever.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:51

Fraternal order of police?

SPEAKER_08 1:55:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:54

FOP, yeah. I think there was a Brotherhood? There's the Brotherhood for the Fallen, but that's nothing to do with a union or anything.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:01

Was it the fallen?

SPEAKER_09 1:56:02

Yeah, that's just for officers that that die in there. Maybe I got the two things together. Yeah, I think you're thinking of the fraternal order of police. That's a union. That's that's a big deal.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:10

That one then, yeah. Yeah, I think I got them switched up, and I apologize for that.

SPEAKER_09 1:56:14

Oh, you're fine. I know you didn't mean anything bad by it, brother. No, no, dead cops are fine with me.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:22

Oh shit. That's wrong.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:27

Well, they've never violated my rights. Too dark. No, too dark. Okay, okay. Too dark. Okay, okay. I was just feeling out the room. I was just feeling out the room. I'll light it up. Tough crowd.

unknown 1:56:42

Too dark.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:43

Hold on, we got a bunch of cops in the room or something. I know, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:56:47

Trey, Trey got all serious. Um, I'm sorry. I'm missing what you're doing. Uh anyway, so uh we we have the ability to look it up. Um it's just a lot of times I've noticed that that the whoever's taking the applications doesn't actually look it up. They just kind of they don't check these references uh for for uh for fact factual basis. We've actually just um in the last couple of months had a police officer who was a piece of shit in the last department, beat up a blind guy, um, made a cripple piss himself, and then I think he was forced out of the one department and then quickly got a job at another. And um they hired him uh twice. Uh two two separate departments, two bad cops that that I've had uh a pretty substantial history um tracking their bad behavior. Uh quit one department and immediately got hired in another. And neither one of those departments did any investigation into their background, at least not any meaningful investigation of their background before hiring them. And then some jackass, you know, this guy, well, as you know, through my team, um, was able to find that they they lied on their application. So they were well, actually, one of them still got hired because he passed a polygraph. And and if I can't use a polygraph in court, then I don't know what you guys are still using it for for the part of your hiring. I 100% agree.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:25

I think that's it.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:27

Yeah, it's so stupid because it if if I don't believe that I'm telling a lie, so you're just weeding out conscience.

SPEAKER_09 1:58:37

The George Costanza, it's not a lie.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:40

You believe it. It's not a lie if you believe it, and that thing detests not whether or not you're telling the truth to test uh body metrics on whether or not you're stressed or whatever, your current stress level or something like that, and it's not even accurate at that. Um, so I don't know why they did that, but they hired uh so I've uh one police officer got fired, but one is still on the job, and he's gonna continue being on the job, and you know, nepotism abound, but there's nothing I can do about it. Uh, not that I even really want to, because I'm not here to make any changes, I'm here to bring out that changes need to be made. Um, I don't want to get into the weeds of what we should do about things, yeah. Because of what I like doing is pointing out the fact that that something needs to be done and then leaving it to people smarter than I to come up with the solutions. I because I'm too involved in it, you're too involved in it, and we should just stay out of it.

SPEAKER_10 1:59:36

I love that.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:37

Well, I mean, we're not going to because it it involves us, and we're gonna have opinions and we're gonna vote our conscience.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:44

But somebody needs to do something, and I don't know what the answer is.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:48

Yeah, I do want to clarify because Kingslayer paid five bucks to make me clarify. He said that cop from last week did not get fired. I sent you the video of the sheriff saying she's back on the street. Okay. Oh, good. And fantastic.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:01

So well, that's fine for me because that means eventually we're gonna have more content.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:06

Yeah, I we can even tell you where that department was at.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:10

Yeah, so if you if you don't want auditors to exist, stop giving us content. Well, like I said, the angry confrontations are what everybody wants to see. They want to see the train wreck, they want to see somebody else get arrested. Okay, so if you if you want us to stop existing, then just stop giving us the negative content, be nice, be decent human beings. Okay, uh, and and and that would be fine with me. I would rather do something different. I would rather I don't know, but what I don't even know what I would do at this point because I've been at it for 10 years and I didn't think that this was ever gonna be a thing. I thought that I was gonna uh tell a few jokes and make fun of my local department, and that this would be like a six-month thing, and I didn't even know what it I didn't even know if I expected to get anything out of it. I just wanted to point out that they were being pricks, you know. Yeah, um, and then the next thing you know, uh yeah, they were uh sending code enforcer to my house and measuring my grass and pulling my permits for my chicken coop, and the tax assessor came out and upped my taxes, and you know, that was my chicken coop was apparently worth$10,000. And I was like, bro, if you'll buy it, right? I'll I'll load it up and bring you another one. You know, I'll make another one next week if you think it's worth that much. Anyway, um, so you know, you start you start getting peppered, and a lot of people don't say anything because they already kind of know that that that's a possibility, they don't know what they're gonna do, but it that's always what it is. Uh most people don't want to complain about the police because they don't want continued more increased harassment. So we need a way for the people to complain and it actually goes somewhere. We need um citizen oversight.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:02

Yes, I was just about to say, like a citizen oversight committee.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:05

Yeah, hey, look, your your departments uh that Dallas, Fort Worth, uh big Austin, fucking great. You guys can probably hire somebody to watch random videos, ready random body cams.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:19

Um a small department?

SPEAKER_08 2:02:21

If YouTube, yeah, they can't do that. No, uh, but if YouTube is is any indication, I guarantee you that the citizens will volunteer their time, you know, to review these. But but then you get into some things about uh well, if this is an ongoing case or something, I can't have people in the town seeing the body cam and some you know unredacted stuff.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:44

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:44

So what do you do then? You uh I guess you can run it through float camera system.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:51

I mean, you can always um like again, I'm at a bigger city and we do have an oversight committee, and all those things exist, and it's great. I really love where I'm at because I see all this cool stuff, but then I see small departments, like where you're at, like where you're facing the shit that you're facing. I'm just like, how the fuck does this happen?

SPEAKER_08 2:03:09

Well if we have body cams of some of these.

SPEAKER_09 2:03:12

Yeah, they're still. I think they said like 92, 95, somewhere in there percent of departments have oh, you turned blurry. Oh, I gotta there you go. Um, they have uh oh shit, he went right the fuck off. There it is. But they have um fuck, I lost my train of thought. Oh, they they have body cams 92 to like 96 percent. But there's still you tell me there's there's five percent out there that still don't have body cams, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:03:39

There's there's that was more than I thought. That there's a couple agencies out here. Uh CHP didn't have body cams, they're barely starting to get them. It's a lot of agencies that still don't have them. Most do though.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:52

I think the does the sheriff's department which one orange. Oh, I can't remember. There's a big one in Florida.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:01

San Diego didn't nah. San Diego Sheriff definitely has body cam.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:07

One of those big California agencies was getting a lot of criticism for not having body cams. I know that highway patrol does it, which is really suspicious.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:15

They're they're starting to get them out, but for a while.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:17

If you don't have a body cam, that's suspicious.

SPEAKER_09 2:04:21

Oh, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:22

But but it doesn't do it, it doesn't do any good because we don't when when body cams first came out, you guys were real fucking chatty. Y'all would talk about everything, you know, it was unfiltered. We you're communicating something, so somebody would see something and be like, oh shit, yeah, yeah. Right, yeah, but no, it was a culture shock for policing. Yeah, well, because we get we're on your shoulder watching it. Okay, now you watch these body cams, and people are so subdued, everybody's talking quiet, they get in little huddles, you know, they're they're always worried about this thing on their chest that's that's recording it. Um, not always, but it's it's it's certainly yeah, more and I understand that because I'm the same way, right? Uh, you know, anytime there's a camera around them, you know, am I an angle? Am I in the frame? You know, stuff like that. Right. So it does change some things. Um, yeah, but it doesn't do any good if nobody watches it. Just like the security cameras at Walmart. If nobody's watching it, then how is it gonna find out if anybody stole anything? So somebody's gotta be reviewing these body cams, and um we we're we're dawning into the age where the technology is available, the internet is available, um, that we can start reviewing just random body cams and see what what's going on because a lot of times that's that's where the stuff is. Yeah, um, I want to it shouldn't be that damn difficult. You know, I I request body cams at some time, it'll be a hundred dollars trying to get that.

Calling Police On An Autistic Child

SPEAKER_09 2:06:04

That sucks. That's crazy. That's crazy. So um I want to uh somebody had brought up about how you know it's either bad bad cops make great content or good cops make boring content, and then there's stuff that kind of falls in between. Um, and that's the one I want to show you right here, Otto, because I want to get your I want to get your perspective on this um as soon as it decides to pop up. There we go. So uh you can see the title here dad calls cops on seven-year-old autistic son. Um, you would think that that's a bullshit title, but that's for real. So let's see. Man calls a cops on his seven-year-old son.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:42

Seven-year-old with autistic son. He goes off on his tantrums, and he's seven years old. He can't handle a seven-year-old, yeah. Well, he's he has a calm down, he's smashes, he smashes his room, and this is a completely inappropriate.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:57

He's seven years old. We have an entire town here for two. Okay. You are a case of like seven years old. We're gonna get some classes. Okay. You're 50 years old, you can't or seven years old. You're kidding. You want to see how this is completely wrong? Well, then that's what you should do. He's seven years old is not this old. It's completely inappropriate. If you get 50, you can't figure that out. I don't know what to tell you. But I'm telling you right now, you do this again, we're gonna charge you. Completely inappropriate.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:53

Thanks for helping.

SPEAKER_09 2:07:54

All right. So I I'll get your perspective here in a second. I don't I don't like setting people out into the blind. So I'll tell you how I looked at it is that um, one, I do agree with the cops, this is not where they should be at. Um, this is not our type of I mean, look, we have a hard time sometimes just figuring out regular criminal calls, and you want us to deal with a very special case of an autistic child that's having a tantrum. Call your parents, call your neighbor, call your friends, call your family, ask ChatGPT before you call us. Like, why like all we're gonna do is one teach your kid that you can't trust your dad because he's gonna call the cops on you. Uh and we are not equipped to deal with stuff like that. And this is part of my problem when it's kind of trying to school you, young Thundercat Trey, about cops being used as pawns and being used in positions because we want it. Play on our for the good cops out there, our desire to want to help. That's what this is playing on. I want to help, but I need to be able to step back and realize I am not qualified to help in this position. Um, now I I'll leave it at that. Auto, you tell me what you think from here, buddy.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:03

Okay, so I caught a couple things out of it. One, it wasn't the first time. I mean, I don't think it was the first time that those officers had been out there.

SPEAKER_09 2:09:14

Yeah, I I'll yeah, they did kind of have that vibe, didn't they?

SPEAKER_08 2:09:17

Yeah, they dirt definitely did. Uh, and the father was like, Look at these fucking cops, and he uploaded that. So obviously, he's not really okay there either. No, that guy's got something wrong. Um, this is uh what it used to be called the nanny state, uh, where we want the state to be our nanny and take care of us all the time. Um, every little thing needs to be, you know, there's a government solution for you. Uh, so I mean he just got syscified. That's that's what it is. Good job on the cops, right? Um, because there's there's nothing they can do right at all. But shame on that guy for calling him. And also for the previous what how old was that guy? 50? 50, and the kid's seven. Oh my god. So sorry for the previous 50 years that failed you. Yeah. Because this guy's obviously had nothing difficult ever happen in his entire life. Maybe we need, you know, we need to like have something terrible happen to us so that we can remember that it wasn't that long ago that we were worried about where we were gonna get some food and hoping there wasn't sawdust in the bread.

SPEAKER_09 2:10:35

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:35

Okay, and now we're you know literally not eating till because we're too fat. You know what I mean? Right.

SPEAKER_09 2:10:48

That's a shot at banning.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:50

Only like really super rich people got gout.

SPEAKER_09 2:10:54

Yeah, right. Oh man, those that didn't catch that joke, banning's been on a like 40-day fast over there.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:02

Proud of you too. That's that's rough.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:08

No way.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:09

No, it's uh I I just ended a fast last week, was eight days of just water uh and electrolytes. Uh and then I did a couple weeks prior to that.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:19

That's a lot. I've done four. I've done four, but eight is tough.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 2:11:23

It's uh you know how you can tell if somebody's on a diet, they let you know about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:31

Uh same thing about yoga people. I'm very public about it.

SPEAKER_09 2:11:35

Yeah. Or vegans, or what's the other one that's like worse than vegan?

SPEAKER_08 2:11:41

I don't think anything's worse than vegan.

SPEAKER_09 2:11:43

No, there's one with it. What is it?

SPEAKER_05 2:11:46

I say gluten-free, but I probably what you talking about. Gluten free.

SPEAKER_09 2:11:49

Oh, something with nothing to do with animals. Vegans are guns. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:03

Shut up and eat it.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:04

Yeah, build up your immunity like everybody else.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:06

Just have shellfish.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:10

Oh, somebody's asking, uh, was Otto a jar head? He ribs like one.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:16

Oh, no, I wasn't.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:18

My my family is all uh military. Every everybody in my family was military, and when it came my time, they told me not to. And I'm not sure if that was a good thing or a bad thing because I would have been fucking good at it. Yeah, a little chunky. Well, no, a little on the chunky side. That would have been rough for me. Hey, they get you spared away. And hey, I'm I'm pretty slick with a rifle. Uh had a pistol in my hand since uh, I don't even know if I'm allowed to tell you how old I was when I started shooting. Um, loved it. My family was all military. I've I still have a lot of family that's law enforcement. Um, I say it all the time. It makes Thanksgiving really awkward. It used to make it awkward, but now we all get along.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:58

I was gonna say, if they understand what you're doing, like if they didn't they did not.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:05

I could get it at first, six years.

SPEAKER_09 2:13:07

Yeah, yeah, I get it at first. Like, trust me, there's a lot of cops that don't like what we do, they hate it. I've got had a former NYPD guy get on me the other day because he just doesn't agree with my perspective, and that's cool. Whatever, keep scrolling, you don't have to stop on my stuff and comment. You can keep moving. Um, but I'm gonna still do what I do, and I believe in what I do. Um, I got a text message from one of our our mods, and he said, Can you ask Otto what he thinks of two cops, one donut?

SPEAKER_08 2:13:41

That's from oh well, like oh, like right now, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 2:13:44

What you think about it that you've been on for a while.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:47

I mean, I've been watching I've seen your show before. This isn't the first time I I've ever heard you talk. I appreciate what you guys got going on. Uh, I understand what where you're coming from. I like the fact that you're wanting uh some different perspectives. You're not uh I've never seen you jump on, you know, try to like bash. No, I don't want to say us either because I don't even know what the fucking auditor is. Okay, yeah. How do you define it? I I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 2:14:16

Uh I just lump I just lump everybody together. If you're talking about the first amendment, you're an auditor.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:21

I guess it mostly depends with the the camera. I guess if you're filming it, that makes you the auditor, but that's fucking dumb. It's a dumb term. I don't yeah, but it's what it is. So I guess First Amendment auditing is is is what it is, and I don't know how that I don't know who coined that term, but I wish you had consulted somebody first. Somebody in marketing, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:44

Yeah. Maybe a team effort.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:47

Yeah, we could have we could have come up with something better. I I prefer fuck copsing.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:52

I prefer the term fuck copsing, but I understand that that's probably, you know, you've never been fucked copsing? I I haven't. I haven't never even heard the term until just now. We're gonna have we'll have to go one night. It's kind of like bar crawling, but it's where you go to different police departments and and just wish them a happy fuck the cops day and flip them off and drive off real quick. Quick but safely. Right? Not too fast. Yeah. You turn your seat belts on and your fucking blinker works. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 2:15:24

What's that what's that one charge that they have in certain states? Um, they don't have it here, but uh something about excessive acceleration or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:32

Yeah, demonstration could be called exhibition of acceleration here until until 2005. Sorry, I've got stupid knowledge in my head.

SPEAKER_09 2:15:43

Yeah, I figured California would have that. You guys got all the dumb rules.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:49

Uh yeah, a lot of a handful of them. Uh, you know, California is one of the places where um I've uh you know, when I have to go into California to work, I'm extra cautious. Uh one because I know that you guys actually have a higher crime rate um than we do. I mean, here in Texas, there's some areas that are that are pretty rough, but you've got a lot of population crammed in a very small town, well, very small land area for the population. Uh, and that changes the dynamic. And anytime you get a lot of people, you know, crazy shit happens.

SPEAKER_09 2:16:31

Yeah, for sure. That's why I don't want nothing to do with it. I don't go there. All yours, Trey. You have the whole state, baby. I'm almost gonna stay over here in Texas. I like Texas.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:42

You know, it's funny though, because when uh when I started doing this, this is a very fringe thing. There was there wasn't really wasn't a whole lot of people doing it, at least not that I was aware of, right? Um, and and now it's quite popular. There's a whole new generation that has done this and um started getting involved in it, but this is literally nothing new. It the only thing that's changed with this is uh the platform in which we're you know sending it out, we're able to send it out individually instead of through publications like The Time or Time magazine or the local newspaper, you know, because remember all those photos out of the 60s were taken by professional, I mean, I guess mostly professional um reporters and stuff like that, and now there's all kinds of reporters. Everybody can be a reporter now, Steve. Yeah, self-proclaimed reporters, right? So, oh so you were man, I've been wanting to touch on it. You've been you were talking about how um there's a a difference between um like my style, and then you get the confrontational people, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 2:17:55

You know, they drive you insane.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:58

Yeah, you don't know what what the catalyst was that have brought somebody into this, right? Um, and the the thing that I hear a lot is oh, there you're just a criminal, you know, you hate police because you're a criminal, and there are people who have criminal records that are doing this. I do not. Um, but I also know a lot of people who have criminal records that really didn't deserve it, yeah. You know, and even if somebody's found guilty, I've seen enough now at this point where I have a really hard time uh accepting some of these charges that I'm seeing brought against people. Sometimes they stick. So you don't know what what's brought them to doing this, and some people are just angry anyway. Um, some people have more animosity toward you. So yeah, and I guess I guess everybody has their own different style, but the same thing goes with everything else. There's some people, um, you know, let's let's talk about football. Some people are good tackles, linemen, you know, some people are just defensive backs, and then you get kickers, yeah. You know, we let you play. Right? Yeah, we don't really, you know.

SPEAKER_09 2:19:23

I mean, we we're glad you're there, but we've shared some very new auditors before that were out just you know, you could tell that they haven't really done it, and they're testing the waters, and they're interesting to watch. Um, it's fun to watch their progression. There was a very young kid. Uh, I I don't know that he was even 18 yet. We had uh he went into a post office and just absolutely killed it. I mean, you would have thought he'd been doing it for years, and then the officer that came in, he killed it. He did awesome. The only people that really screwed it up were the employees. Yeah, it was a great audit to watch. And uh, we talked about that. I was like, oh my god, this kid's amazing. How long has he been doing this? And our audience here was like, This is his first one. I was like, holy shit, your boy knew what he came prepared, and it's it's fun to watch. I like that stuff.

SPEAKER_08 2:20:13

So preparation goes a long way, yeah.

Why Lawsuits Rarely Pay Auditors

SPEAKER_09 2:20:16

And and it and it this that's why I'm I'm glad you kind of brought this up because it's one of the major questions or accusations that come on here when people get on us. Why are you showing these criminals? What's the term frauditor? Why are you showing all these frauditors?

SPEAKER_08 2:20:30

And there's plenty of that. Uh, and I I kind of understand the term frauditor a little bit better than the auditor, you know. Um, but some people think that if you get arrested, that's a good thing because you're going that this is this is hilarious, okay. Try to maintain yourself. Okay, they think that just because you get arrested, that there's a lawsuit on well, you get a false arrest, a arrest for without actually committing a crime, that there's a lawsuit on the end of it. Yes, thank you. They think that a lawsuit has a paycheck involved in it, and let me tell you, as somebody who has filed multiple lawsuits, both with attorneys and per se, um, you are not going to make a living off of getting arrested and suing anybody. Maybe if you were like hit by a big truck and your buddies with Jim Adler or something shit like that. Okay, but you're not gonna you're not gonna survive off of lawsuits. Um, one, because they're unpredictable, and there is no business model on earth where the the level of unpredictability would be acceptable. Yeah, um, two, the amount of investment, financial investment that you're gonna have to put into this is uh is something that no business model would allow. Yeah, okay. If I'm gonna have to put at least 50 to 60 percent of my potential earnings, okay, into getting the earnings, then the 40, the then whatever's left over it really isn't worth it. I'm not making you're not making any money, everybody else is making money. Okay, also you do not get money unless you have suffered damages. Well, I mean, there's exceptions, but just we're talking broadly.

SPEAKER_10 2:22:24

It had yeah, it has to be very expensive.

SPEAKER_08 2:22:27

Fucked first. Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_09 2:22:31

Um, we've we've talked about and I and this is something I've learned from auditors is because I used to recklessly just come out, well, it just got a lot, they just want a bunch of money there. Oh, we just watched that video, he's gonna get a bunch of money, and I'm wrong. I was wrong. I really thought that it was that easy.

SPEAKER_08 2:22:46

It's not that easy, it's not that easy, and and it takes a special individual. Um, I've seen a ton of people. Okay, how about this one? Just try to find an attorney that will take it, just try to find an attorney. I'll tell you, there's only a handful of them that are willing to go after cities, municipalities, you know, counties. Yeah, very few willing to go after state.

SPEAKER_09 2:23:12

Yep, and unless you get a department that is under like gets it, and they see the video and they're like, No, we're gonna get fucked if we go to court on this. Like, just pay a settlement. Like, if you can get them to do a settlement, that's great.

SPEAKER_08 2:23:24

Yeah, settlements are always less. Yeah, oh, of course. They're always less. Okay, and then this goes back that the attorney's still gonna get a cut. Okay, so if you're if we're talking at uh coming at this from businessmen's perspective, this is a fucking terrible way to make money. Oh, also, there's a high likelihood that all your equipment is going to be destroyed. Also, there's a high likelihood that all your equipment is going to be locked into a fucking cabinet for at least two years. Okay, so uh there's no business. Okay, you're not making any money. You're gonna have to buy a new cell phone, you're gonna have to change. Well, you might be able to get your phone number back, right? But if you have any equipment, it's just it it just it's not I can't tell you how uh I could we could we could continue into details if you want, but I you know I'll beat the dead horse if you want me to, but there's not money in the lawsuits, right?

SPEAKER_09 2:24:25

So um but it's good for them to hear that from you because everybody that watches your videos thinks that I'm winning a lot of money.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:33

They're gonna think you're out there just lawsuits.

SPEAKER_09 2:24:35

Killing the game with lawsuits, yeah. And that's not true.

Judges Mayors And Real Investigations

SPEAKER_08 2:24:37

And I am killing the game, but I'm killing the game with with results. Okay. Um, I've gotten police officers fired, I've gotten judges arrested, I've got uh two judges, two mayors, two police officers in the last six months. You got a judge arrested? I got two judges arrested. That's insane. I got a I got a uh well I'm taking credit for shit that other people did. I broke the story on judges being arrested. I got video that nobody else had, including the prosecutors on the case. Okay, so I'm doing I I reopened the video that I was able to get, reopened the uh judicial investigation and broadened the scope of what he's being investigated for because he was drunk with guns in the car and nobody ever said anything about it. And the prosecutor quickly gave him a deferred prosecution for 12 months, even though this is his second DUI, and he got a uh deferred prosecution on the other one, right? And also, while he was being prosecuted for the DUI, he allegedly made a phone call threatening another person and was sued for it and kicked off the bench for that. So and was facing criminal prosecution for that, yeah. So, I mean, it just goes on and on. Uh, and then I've you know, I've reported a bunch of stories of of people who've been arrested, which is uncommon in in this genre, like actually doing investigative reporting is uncommon. Most of the time, it's I'm just coming in here to file an open record request, and that's fine. Okay, that's fine because somebody needs to test that also. Um, the problem is that sometimes the camera is so unsettling to people that they act differently than they normally would, as we discussed before. Yeah, so you're not gonna get an accurate. It it should be, but no, but uh it should be a hidden camera, like you know, something a little bit more candid. But again, there's no money in this, yeah, so uh and I you can make money at it. I'm not saying you can't, but that's not through the lawsuits, you're gonna make money through the ad revenue through donations, right? Um, and I'm not entirely sure that the money is worth it, uh, because I'm you know I'm net negative. Uh I it costs me more to run this show than the show actually makes.

SPEAKER_09 2:27:12

I'm with you.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:14

I'm with you.

SPEAKER_09 2:27:15

So five years is is still is red the bad, it's in the red.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:20

The number of hours that's put into and this is from every I've spoken to a lot of auditors. Okay, uh, the amount of time that we put in to doing the YouTube show, whatever that is, for and it's different for everybody, is more than what we're making. Yeah, we're making like less than a dollar an hour, if you really add it up, right? And and then we're having to have an uh another job so that we can afford the equipment and to pay the phone bill and the gas and everything you know associated with it. So it's net negative. You're not gonna make money at it. You're doing this because you love it. We do not make a hundred thousand dollars to smell weed in every vehicle that we pull over, you know. Well, actually, technically, I don't make a hundred thousand dollars anyway. But if I did make a hundred thousand dollars, I would for 100% sure smell weed in every single vehicle. Yeah, yeah, gotcha. I can do that for you. If you guys are hiring, let me know. Do you are a physical requirement?

SPEAKER_09 2:28:27

Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:28

Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_09 2:28:29

Listen, brother. Auto, let me if I can uh give you, but I'm giving you 300 pounds. I mean let me give you some encouragement. I think I think we need you in around as long as we can have you. I think we need to get you fit and in shape. I think you you could be a beast. Just gotta get you going down the fitness.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:50

I just uh changed my pronouns to they them actually last week. Not because I'm trans or anything, because I think I've eaten myself in their plural at this point.

SPEAKER_09 2:29:02

We gotta get this stand-up.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:04

I love it. I'm fasting too. I haven't eaten in almost fucking 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_07 2:29:10

Two and a half, what? Two and a half hours, I gotta go. I was wondering why I was wondering why his head kept dipping out of the camera.

SPEAKER_09 2:29:17

I was wondering what he was doing.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:19

I got some lemon pound cake in this bitch somewhere. Now we know that's fucking retarded too.

unknown 2:29:28

Cool.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:30

What you can't tell me that it's one percent. Okay, because what are we talking about? Oh, uh Afroman.

SPEAKER_09 2:29:39

Oh, wait, Afro Man, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:41

Every one of those officers was retarded. Oh my god. And then they took their complaint to an attorney who was also retarded, you know, so it can't be one percent because everybody in the room thought it was amazing.

SPEAKER_09 2:29:56

I can't believe the courts took it.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:58

Oh, I'm sorry, did I say that? Did I use the hard R?

SPEAKER_00 2:30:02

For everybody watching has to understand that what he's doing.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:06

I don't want to explain my ginger over there. Oh, so I mean ginger. I'm sorry. I'm very uh I I'm trying to change. I was born in the 80s.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:16

Yeah, well, I was gonna say you're you're just an old man. 80s 80s terminology, which has you know the negative of that word today is not what we were grown up with. It's not saying it doesn't mention mental, you know, mental anything like that. It just means I could probably because I was called it the most uh in my family all growing up.

SPEAKER_09 2:30:37

And probably in the Marine Corps, a little bit, a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:40

I just I just need another thing on a going you gotta be retarded a little bit.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:46

It's not a it shouldn't be a negative thing. I I understand that that's a harsh word. I should I I apologize for coming on your show and you're fine, brother.

SPEAKER_09 2:30:54

You're fine.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:56

Um I do want to say that selling jokes on the side of the road off into the faces of the people who the jokes are about, whether or not they like it or not, because sometimes you guys deserve it. And I can't tell on this right now, just like you guys say, you know, I don't know who's I don't know who you are, I don't know what you're capable of. So I'm just gonna assume that you're a piece of shit just like the rest of them that I'm at, and it's up to you to prove me wrong. Fair enough. And if you don't like being treated like that, then stop treating us like that. Yeah, but it's part of my shtick. So that's a fair perspective for a while until I come up with another one. Yeah, but I'll give you one of these, you know.

SPEAKER_05 2:31:38

I think that's fair as long as to me, it's always about people being open-minded to changing that opinion. Like, I think that's what makes it different for me. And I that's kind of what you're saying, so that's why I'm saying I think that's a fair opinion. Right.

SPEAKER_09 2:31:55

Yeah, agree. Go ahead, Bandny. What'd you have?

SPEAKER_00 2:31:57

I was just gonna I I've got uh one question for you, uh and first off, I'm gonna start with a statement. First of all, your truthfulness coming out and and talking about, and I hate to use the terminology auditor because I mean I don't think that's a great name for what y'all are doing out there. Uh thank you for being honest in reference to the YouTube and going out and in reference to the monetary of what it does or does not come in. A lot of people need to hear that because I get jokes on LinkedIn. I'm not a big Facebook guy or Instagram guy. I do ink, I do LinkedIn and and I get jokes after these shows. For the next week until our next show, I'll get a lot of jokes saying, hey, banning, man, these guys must be killing it out there. I'm gonna retire as a cop and I'm gonna go out and be an auditor and rake in all this money. And it's a joke going back and forth. Oh, cool, that let me know how it goes. It's your fucking life. You do what you want to go do what you want to do, dude. If uh wearing the badge is that. But the second thing is, is I've only watched one video on your deal when Eric told me you're coming on, and I'm not a huge YouTube guy. I try to go in there and you know, if people send me videos, but what I'm getting at is I watched one video and you just brought it up, and that's a reference to that county sheriff being hooked up for DWI. Um, and I believe he was like two miles from his house, and then the officers were treating him like some type of king on the side of the highway and were just real lenient. I think they took his truck back to his house, correct me if I'm wrong, and did all this stuff that they're not going to typically do for a normal citizen. Um I have had to arrest cops, and when I did, their shit gets impounded, they go to jail, and and you get treated like everybody else. But the question that I have for you is, and I will know better once I look at your channel, do you uh put the mean when I mean good videos, when an officer actually does what he's supposed to do with the law enforcement official that's in the video and does everything, doesn't bother you, maybe waves, hey man, have a nice day, walk by. And it obviously it's not going to generate content, but I think a person like you is still gonna put that out there for people to see, even though it's not gonna get a lot of clicks and stuff. And that's my question is do you do you put all the videos out?

SPEAKER_08 2:33:56

I don't exclude that content from my channel. Uh I appreciate that content. Um so I I primarily do live streams. My live streams are where it's at. Uh, and that is raw live on the street. If it happens, it happens. Okay. Uh when I cut videos, I like to go from the beginning to the end. And sometimes I'll cut stuff out, like if there's a bunch of dead zone or something like that, I'll cut that out. But it's up to you guys to show me what you look like.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 2:34:33

Uh yeah, agreed. And also, you know, there's plenty of videos out there of you guys saving babies and and rescuing kittens. Uh, that's not what my channel's about. Right. Sure. There's plenty, there's plenty of other places which you can get that. Um, I'm critical and I'm telling jokes, and I try to make it funny. But but what I like about you I don't I don't exclude good good videos, but uh I don't search out either.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:59

But I but I can't clown you. Right. Hey, if we're if we're gonna go to the academy and go out and insert people, you you have to be clowned. If you can't handle being clowned, you're in the wrong friggin' uh profession, period. But you look like a guy and sound like a guy for the short amount of time that I've met you today that you look at both sides of the coin and I appreciate you for that.

SPEAKER_08 2:35:19

I do look at both sides of the coin, and nobody is nobody is uh is immune. I love it.

SPEAKER_09 2:35:25

Everybody gets it. I'm we're the same way.

SPEAKER_08 2:35:27

I do want to give a shout out to uh I feel like punching a lot of you know a lot of the auditors are I don't really like punching them because they're my buddies. What about HBO Matt? I like HBO Matt. Yeah, so like I said, everybody's got their own style, and even if you don't like them, uh it's still kind of fun because the idea, the I guess the way I think of this audit thing, okay. Well, how are you as a law enforcement officer going to handle a crazy motherfucker who just hates you? Okay, is he doing anything illegal? No. Okay, so leave him alone, no matter how many times he throws the effort at you, right? Because if it's I don't know, I mean that's up to you guys, I guess. It's uh if it's all about creating content and clicks and views, then uh that's one way to do it.

SPEAKER_10 2:36:19

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_08 2:36:20

Uh and if it sucks, then it will die on the vine.

SPEAKER_09 2:36:26

Yeah. And I don't care if they like, listen, it's a poor argument that they do it for the clicks and the views. I don't care because it's doing something that helps. It helps improve law enforcement. Whether you want to look at it as doing that or not, I promise you it helps improve law enforcement because when you make 'em look stupid and they make themselves look stupid, something's gonna get to that department. There's gonna be people out there that bitch and complain and be like, Why are yeah, why are you letting our cops be this dumb? So It it's just like body cameras. When body cameras first came out, it was started from a lie. It was the whole Michael Brown thing. And the dude admitted to lying about what he saw and what happened. And people were like, Oh, see, we told you. I'm like, you're focusing on the wrong part. The beauty of this whole tragedy, which I, you know, I I always like to see something good happen from a tragedy, and that was body cameras. I cannot function. If I if I walk out of the sector without my body camera, this is how good the culture's gotten where I'm at. I feel panic. Like you just passed a car speed, a cop speeding. I feel panic. That panic hits me. My butthole puckers. I'm like, oh shit, where's my camera? I run right back in. I don't take a call. I don't do shit because I don't have my camera on me. That's a good thing. And that's how you should look at that. Not that that dude lied about what the cop did and all the shit that happened. Yeah, that was bad. I'm sorry all that went down, but it's no different than looking at an auditor and saying, Well, he's an ass, you know, the asshole ones. Okay, cool. Yeah, I don't agree with the way this guy's doing it, but he is causing change. Whether you want to admit it or not, he's causing change. Good change.

SPEAKER_08 2:37:59

Yep. Just a different way. That's all.

SPEAKER_09 2:38:02

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I tell people all the time, like, there's auditors I can't stand. I can't stand. There's one in New York. He just auditors I can't stand. He just runs his mouth the whole time and he just talks shit to everybody. I mean, he doesn't just audit cops, he audits anybody that walks down the sidewalk, and I see stuff all the time, which drives me even more nuts because I'm like, how you keep getting my algorithms?

SPEAKER_08 2:38:26

On that line, uh right now there's a popular well, I don't know if it's still popular, but banks and um dispensaries are are becoming a thing. And I mean, that's not that's not really typical. That's not that doesn't fit the bill of a First Amendment auditor, you know, testing the government. That's obviously not the same. I guess technically it could be if you're expecting the people inside to call the cops on you. But I mean, is that what is that all we we're allowed to investigate is the response of law enforcement and the government? Because I see those as as um looking at what people you know the testing the citizens to see what their reaction is. Yeah, you know, which is also interesting. It is, and I don't know what I don't know what who's gonna find it interesting, but somebody might find it interesting, and if it's not good, then it will die on the vine. Okay, so if it's not illegal, we'd already have a thing. If nobody's being harmed by it, then maybe we should just leave it alone, even if it is illegal. Maybe maybe there's no harm being done, right? Yeah, so I I that's how I I look at things. I see HBO, Matt. Uh just came through the chat. Yes, this is a another example of the difference between auditors, right? There's First Amendment and Second Amendment. We were talking about Third Amendment auditors, which would be fun, like dressing as a law enforcement officer and then going.

SPEAKER_07 2:39:56

I gave you an idea, didn't I?

SPEAKER_08 2:39:58

Yeah, well, I mean, I talked about it before, but there's no way to really test it because you know, it'd be trying to ask somebody to go live in their house. So that'd be testing the citizens, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_10 2:40:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:09

Right. And every single citizen would immediately be like, No, you're not coming in here because that one's obvious.

SPEAKER_10 2:40:16

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:17

But it's it wasn't obvious at the time that it was written, was it?

SPEAKER_09 2:40:21

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:21

If it wasn't, if it was obvious, then they wouldn't have had to write it down.

SPEAKER_09 2:40:25

Shit, we still can't get the second amendment right.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:28

I'm telling you, dude, and we're just pecking away at it. I know. So on that note, HBO Matt would be a good one for you guys because he does uh second amendment gun content.

SPEAKER_09 2:40:38

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:39

Second amendment guy.

SPEAKER_09 2:40:40

Beautiful. I love that. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:43

I have a second amendment question about because I, you know, I try to work with him on uh mostly signage. We we're covering signage right now because the the new open carry thing. Yeah, uh, there's a lot of jacked up signage, a lot of places where where they're saying that you can't have one and you can, and I'm just kind of like, man, how many times do you guys want me standing out in the parking lot and fiddling with my gun?

SPEAKER_10 2:41:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:41:07

You mean for real, because it's two or three times a day if if I was to do it. So I always say, okay, well, at that point, um, you know, as a person who carries every single day, if every building I go into, I have to take off my gun and put it in the car. Well, then every car has a potential of having a gun in it.

SPEAKER_09 2:41:33

Stolen gun, yep.

SPEAKER_08 2:41:34

Yeah, so now we got stolen guns going everywhere, and you guys are gonna be bitching about that next.

SPEAKER_09 2:41:39

Yep, because I bitch about it all the time. Like, why did you leave your gun in your vehicle? Most of the time it's overnight, and that's where they're really getting themselves into trouble.

SPEAKER_08 2:41:48

But and I have an issue with you know, but I I know a lot of people who keep guns in their car too. Like a little backup, you know. Yeah, most because then most people don't need to carry it all the time. Yeah, I get it. Um, and I don't want to have to take it off to go pay my water bill. I'm not doing nothing.

SPEAKER_10 2:42:06

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:42:07

You know, you should be worried about the guy who's pulling it out and shooting people. Not innocent people.

SPEAKER_09 2:42:13

Hey, you're you're preaching to the choir on here. I'm one of the biggest gun advocates that are out here. We're in Texas, baby. One of the freest states for guns.

SPEAKER_08 2:42:21

With the weed. And drugs and for all uh and all drugs for that matter, right? Because even if they're high on crack. Let me let me redo my camera again. Oh, there it goes. Even if they're high on crack.

SPEAKER_07 2:42:35

There it is. Even if they're high on crack.

SPEAKER_09 2:42:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:42:38

What about it? Are they doing anything else illegal?

SPEAKER_09 2:42:41

Right. I think I think this is just this is just my personal opinion. Dope should just be an enhancement to the criminal behavior you're doing, not that the dope in itself should be inherently illegal.

SPEAKER_08 2:42:53

Well, anytime something that somebody has, just mere possession of anything. Yeah, and and I'm saying this very broadly, specifically, because the mere possession of something is so easy to fake, isn't it? Like you could just drop that in somebody else's vehicle, and then just like, hey, police, this guy's got something terrible in his vehicle, and then they're gone, and there's no fighting it because it's like you have it.

SPEAKER_09 2:43:23

It's been proven to happen before, so you can't argue it as a cop. Me as a cop, I can't argue what you just said because it's happened, it's been proven to happen. So I mean, maybe not from you guys, no, definitely from you guys also.

SPEAKER_08 2:43:37

Okay, definitely, definitely from you guys also. Um but anybody, yeah, anywhere. So anytime that that there's just the mere possession of whatever it is, uh, I'm um I'm I feel like I should be opposed to it. And uh, of course, there's circumstances where you know that doesn't necessarily apply, but yeah, it's just very scary. Yeah, I don't want to get throwing something in my window.

SPEAKER_09 2:44:08

Yeah, and I don't know, like I said, I I obviously we're not the ones that made the rule, we're not the ones that made that law. Um, looks like there's some good movement going. I think uh Joe Rogan just got something with psychedelics past uh executive order.

SPEAKER_00 2:44:21

That was just yesterday or uh day before we were.

SPEAKER_09 2:44:24

Literally on TV signing with the president to get psychedelics approved. I was like, what the fuck is happening that Joe Rogan is now in the White House? But you still can't smoke or whatever it is. Yeah, you can't have uh certain strands of weed.

unknown 2:44:38

Crazy.

SPEAKER_08 2:44:38

Certain strands of weed, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, yeah, certain strands, yeah. But you can go across the border to Oklahoma, yeah. As long as you have the government permission, you're good. Yeah, right. Yep. I got glucose and a back ache.

SPEAKER_09 2:44:52

And then the argument's gonna be well.

SPEAKER_08 2:44:53

My back hurts from carrying this government on my back my whole life. That's what it is.

Handcuffed Punching Video Breakdown

SPEAKER_09 2:44:59

Oh shit. Um, I do want to show a video uh that Matt and I kind of collaborated on. He was supposed to be here tonight, but he, I think him and his wife and him, his wife and him. I think that's right. He and his wife, they had their anniversary yesterday, so I think they're still in the afterglow of that. Uh so he really wanted electrolytes, buddy. Yeah, he really wanted to be on here with you. Um but we did do a little collab video. Uh so I'm gonna share that. I want to make sure we get this one in here before we end. We don't usually go over three hours, so uh there we go. Cop punches a handcuffed female. So I'm gonna pause it real quick. I'm gonna let me and Matt talk on this video so you guys can kind of hear what our little breakdown was. But I just want to point out right away that that was a husband that was in cuffs watching his wife get hit. So um, but I'm I'm gonna play this all the way through. Me and Matt made this video together uh just in case he couldn't be on today. So that's kind of part of it. Hey, I'm Sergeant Eric Levine from Two Cops One Donut, and I got with me Dictator Matt Thornton. Buddy, we just watched this video together. Let's break it down. All right, I'll tell you from a used to force side what I see here is I see they've got a handcuffed female, they're escorting her out. She drops her body weight. It does look like she reaches over to try to bite one of the officers, but then they stand her back up. What do you see from there?

SPEAKER_11 2:46:41

I see at that point it it was uh when she drops the weight, they had a chance right there to create space if they wanted to. And they then she stands back up and then you see what you see, which is repugnant.

SPEAKER_09 2:46:51

Yeah, I agree. I think that if you are there times that you can punch somebody that's handcuffed, yes. But I always argue you know it when you you'll know it when you see it, if it's justified. And it's not justified here, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_11 2:47:01

No, this seemed like the the timing of it, it was after the fact. So this seemed like a punishment. He got upset, he was mad at her, so I'm gonna punish you, I'm gonna crack you.

SPEAKER_09 2:47:09

Yeah, and then the other side that we're not even considering is the other man that's handcuffed, that's her husband. He had to watch that.

SPEAKER_11 2:47:14

I could imagine the escalation that causes from both sides.

SPEAKER_09 2:47:17

If there's an opportunity to create space, this is how I would have handled it. How can we do things better? Create space, let her fall on the ground if that's what she's trying to do, if she's trying to bite you. But once you got her stood back up and you started going, it's over.

SPEAKER_11 2:47:28

And you always gotta look at what a judge or a jury might see. This is a female, you're bigger than, she's cuffed.

SPEAKER_09 2:47:34

You gotta be able to control your suspect. And I don't agree with what was done here, and I'm curious to see what the outcome is gonna be. Me too.

SPEAKER_11 2:47:40

It should be interesting.

SPEAKER_09 2:47:41

And as we like to say, two cops, one donut, it's our officers that do bad. You need to do better. Yes, sir, do better, period. All right, so um, okay, stop sharing. Good. Uh, yeah, saw that one. I think it came out of Pittsburgh, if we're not mistaken on what the, you know, what the comment section said on that video when we got it. But uh I banning's mad. I can see him already. He's pissed off at that one. I can see your reaction. Yeah, so it again, one of the things we like to do on here, auto, we we'll show good stuff, but we'll show bad stuff and we'll call it out. You know that you've seen a couple of what we've done now. Um, I try to keep it pretty balanced, and we haven't had one to really judge yet, other than your own video. Uh, this was bad. Um, I I think I and I just put another video out. When they're handcuffed, they're a totally different class of people. They your their safety and security rely on you. And if you, as two grown men, can't handle uh a female that's already cuffed and you're taking her in, you gotta resort to just a haymaker. Like we're not doing the job right. We need to improve from that. Um again, I I will always leave the caveat there. Maybe there was something we didn't see, a different angle that we didn't catch. But I really find that hard to believe you're gonna be able to show me something that justified what we just saw. What do you got, Benny?

SPEAKER_00 2:49:04

We don't have the time for what my opinion is. And I think Mr. Bill Foot Auto made a comment up there that Banning's gonna invite him to the bar that I want to create in the future for I don't think auto knows about that bar. No, it's a it's a bar in my mind that I'd like to create for piece of shit cops like that. Um invite them in, give them a free drink, and let's put the video on the deal as the magnetic locks to the doors go down, and let's talk about what you did to the public and let's uh let's figure it out right here and right now. So I'm not gonna go in and get this friggin' video pulled uh from from streaming devices, but um sometimes the justice system is broke and it needs to be fixed and other.

SPEAKER_08 2:49:44

Jesus Christ, look at those fingers. I know, right? Holy shit. If dude, if you pull me over, please do not look for my weed.

SPEAKER_00 2:49:52

I'm retired. I am retired, retired, retired.

SPEAKER_07 2:49:59

A little bit of vigilante violence just to be is okay, it just depends on who it is, right? He's not a cop anymore.

SPEAKER_00 2:50:05

He can say this stuff.

SPEAKER_08 2:50:06

When when when when somebody well somebody's out there doing this to my bus and go on tour.

SPEAKER_09 2:50:16

You too. I'll drive. Yeah, you two could for sure.

SPEAKER_07 2:50:20

We'll fucking go to every one of these every one of these bad cops and let them have it, buddy. I'm I'm with you.

SPEAKER_08 2:50:27

I'm with you. We shouldn't stop there though. We should we should continue on. Should we do some judges too, or should we not even talk about them?

SPEAKER_09 2:50:33

Not yet, but we shouldn't talk about them though. Yeah, yeah. This I gotta, we gotta address it.

SPEAKER_08 2:50:38

Judges are amazing, especially the ones who have who I'm in your court. I love you so much.

SPEAKER_09 2:50:44

You're safer in North Korea at this point with American police going around unchecked. Like, come on, brother. Like, of all the places you could have named, like, you had to be so extreme that nobody could even take that serious. You you think you're policed here? My guy, come on. I get it. Hyperbole, I love it. Um, but yeah, we are creeping up. We're gonna have about 10 minutes left. I definitely want people to be able to ask you questions, Otto, if they got any questions. Um, but I also want you to be able to say and talk about whatever it is that uh is on your mind as well, sir. If you got anything you want to get out to your people, anything like that. If you guys got questions, start throwing them in the comments. We're gonna start throwing them up there.

SPEAKER_08 2:51:30

I mean, I talk to these guys all all the time. I uh I appreciate everybody. You know, I'm glad that everybody that that we have the ability to have this conversation. Uh, this is um one of the benefits of technology that we can have open conversation with people from across the country if we wanted to. Uh, I appreciate that we have anonymous commenting where people can say things even if they're a little bit far out there. I'm glad that we can say things that are a little bit far out there because some of these countries that are in this that are on this earth right now don't have that ability.

SPEAKER_10 2:52:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:52:04

Uh and I'm glad that I have a reasonable expectation that I'm not gonna have uh black bag put over my head and thrown into a camp yet, right now, currently today. Right. Okay, but it wasn't that long ago where some of my um you know were where some uh uh certain individuals in this country would have been rounded up and put into camps. Okay, so these things that's North Korea um seems like it's far out there, but it's not we're not that different. It could easily become here too if we let it happen. Yes. And um I agree with that that people are actively trying to get us closer and closer there all the time. Uh and if you want to see what works, let's look over look to other countries and see what they've got going on and see if there's any correlation between us and them and how we can, you know, see see what they mistakes they made before we fall into them. And I'd like to remind you that this country was founded because those countries were fucking it up. So maybe let's not be more like the rest of the world and be the shining light on the hill that this country was was set out to be, and a place where we don't execute people for stealing uh you know a beer's worth of whatever the merchandise is. We move away from these ideas that um perhaps uh perhaps extreme violence isn't the answer for everything. And when we can collectively look and see that that something is wrong, we should be able to acknowledge that, have some justice in the matter, and then and then hopefully move on with um uh with without doing that some more. Yeah, we see we're just seeing it seeing like some death throes of some old culture that's going out, and you know, uh we're older now. We're all becoming old men, some of us a little more than others. I'm not gonna name any names, okay. But some of us are a little, you know, yeah, that means that there's some young men that are gonna be falling behind us, and we need to, and now we are in a position where we fucking know better, okay? So let's reach back and and grab these men by the hand and and guide them into a into a better path so that they don't fall into the same pit and have to do the same shit that we did or that our grandparents had to deal with. Because my my grandparents were alive during that whole Japanese internment. Okay, and that's just one of the blights that um on this country that happened at about that same time because yeah, that whole the last that whole hundred-year air period was just fucked up.

SPEAKER_10 2:55:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:55:03

Okay, and then you go into the 70s, you know. Anyway, we can go into the into that rabbit hole, but we're doing better, and it's because we've spent a lifetime learning and discussing and communicating uh with other people with differing of views, and we found what somewhat of a median, you know, and the pendulum will always swing one way and it'll always swing the other, and it's only in the uh as long as everybody is equally upset, then we'll be okay. Nobody should be completely happy because if you're completely happy, then you're fucking me. Yeah, okay, and and nobody wants to be on the receiving end, yeah, always okay.

SPEAKER_09 2:55:45

Some people do, yeah. Some people and I don't judge. I don't it's whatever you're into, bro.

SPEAKER_08 2:55:52

Well, you've been in law enforcement a long time. Are you a cur are you a a corrections officer? We'll talk offline.

SPEAKER_07 2:56:01

We don't we don't want to go in there. I was gonna go in the street. I was like, wait a second.

SPEAKER_08 2:56:05

I was about to set I was about to set you up for like probably one of the worst ones. I don't want to do that to you. You're not guys.

SPEAKER_09 2:56:12

Yeah, I appreciate you. Thanks for looking out for me, brother. Yeah, you're good. You're good. Oh shit. Uh looking at the comments. Uh we got uh the bearded Tim trying to get people to reach out to our Discord channel. Please do. Uh, we do have a channel there. A lot of times I've been trying to get our auditors and stuff like that. If they want to ever jump on and just do a session or a little QA, we would love to have you guys over there. It's always fun. Uh, but yeah, uh, I do gotta say, Otto, um, I knew it was gonna be fun having you because I knew you had a great sense of humor just from watching your stuff. Appreciate you, thank you. Um, I think me, I can see the humor in it. I love self-deprecating things as far as being a cop. And I mean, I named my literally my icon is a donut and it's Simpsons cops, which are like the epitome of the dumb. The dumbest of the dumb cops. So there was there's a lot of intentionality behind what I did because I just I love I love being able to see the bad side of policing and try to put a little humor to it so it can keep me humble. And I appreciate what you're doing out there. I think what you do as a First Amendment auditor, and I think other cops need to hear this, it is changing the way law enforcement is. It may not be the whole nation at once, it's never gonna be that way with about anything. But if we can get one department at a time, it's it's it's a ripple effect, man. You we're helping, and that's how I look at law enforcement. I can't save the world, I can't go arrest every bad cop video of a bad cop you guys show me, and that pisses people off. But I can do what I'm doing. There's not a lot of cops doing what we do, and at least I can say I'm doing more than the average bear. Uh again, I like to look at things.

SPEAKER_07 2:57:58

You're doing something, you're already uh like fuck. Most people won't even vote, and I understand why.

SPEAKER_09 2:58:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And uh, you know, banning news on here.

SPEAKER_08 2:58:11

I sincerely appreciate what you guys are doing, and uh, you know, not not you know, we I've been at this for a while, but um we don't we shouldn't always be so divided. Uh we do have some differences, but we are all Americans, and we are so divided on so many things that we should be able to bridge some some stuff, and we're not going to agree because we have fundamental differences, we have different things that you know we're looking for, we're trying to go for different things. Yeah, and we're not gonna we're not going to agree. Yeah, but I do uh I do understand that it's a it's a difficult job, yeah, and I wouldn't want to do it.

SPEAKER_09 2:58:52

So God, you'd be such a fun partner though. Oh, we would do it last year. Imagine doing a stop with him, manning. Oh my god, it'd be so fun to be more corrupt as shit.

SPEAKER_08 2:59:01

If I could get no fuck, we'd be on at the donut shop 100%. You'd be so donut shop. I would defend the donut shop with my fucking life, bro.

SPEAKER_09 2:59:13

He would be that guy on a domestic where you cannot laugh and he's just over in the corner doing shit that he knows is gonna make you borrow.

SPEAKER_08 2:59:19

I'm inappropriate, as you can tell.

SPEAKER_09 2:59:21

I love it.

SPEAKER_08 2:59:22

There's no way I couldn't be. I would I'm unprofessional. Even in my professional career, you know, uh in boardrooms, you know, uh yeah, it's very difficult.

SPEAKER_09 2:59:34

I don't want to pry, I hate prying into people's personal stuff, but can you tell us what it is you do other than that, or is that too far?

SPEAKER_08 2:59:40

I'm a director of operations and human resources for a service tech company. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_09 2:59:45

Okay, so yeah, human resources.

SPEAKER_08 2:59:46

Um we we run contracts across the country. I travel.

SPEAKER_10 2:59:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 2:59:50

I was traveling a lot, now I'm not traveling anymore. Um, so if you ever you know have a complaint against one of uh one of our service techs, I'm the um I'm the guy. I gotcha. Uh so like you said, I'm I know I've I find where people fit best and and make sure that they get there. Yeah. Um and solve problems. You know, I solve a lot of uh, you know, most of the time, uh not every day that you show up to work, you should be there. And sometimes if you're having a rough one, you just shouldn't be there. Uh because it's not good for you and it's not good for me. Um and if you're having uh you know troubles at home and you're bringing that shit to work and you're carrying a gun, maybe you should just not go out on patrol that day. Yeah, and with the same the same thing for you know, my guys are not dealing with guns and crazy people. Um but if you fuck up something, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 3:00:50

It's my job as a supervisor to catch that stuff too, because that's what I do. I'm a supervisor, so sometimes it's not worth going out.

SPEAKER_08 3:00:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_09 3:00:58

Um, somebody asked if a green screen's behind me. No, this is my studio. I just changed the picture, y'all. Um, it's not a green screen.

SPEAKER_08 3:01:05

You got a slick ass studio. Some of that government welfare money, isn't it?

SPEAKER_09 3:01:12

It is a nice studio.

SPEAKER_08 3:01:13

How many tickets did you have to ride to get that?

SPEAKER_09 3:01:15

Uh my wife's a nurse, and I I just make her work more.

SPEAKER_07 3:01:18

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_09 3:01:21

So just make her work more. That's all. And then Lacey said auto is the real deal. The total package, all of the good things, we love them.

Final Thoughts And Where To Find Otto

SPEAKER_08 3:01:28

So I love you guys too. Uh, you know, uh, I wouldn't be here. I literally wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the support of complete random strangers on the internet. I know, right? I went through some shit. Um, it was a dark time. I'm glad that I survived it. I'm glad that I'm here. Uh remember if you are, and we're all gonna go through some shit. Um remember that it does get better. The rain clouds will always pass. You can't see the all the all the metaphors. It's true. You will get through it. It's not the end of the world. Uh as long as you just continue waking up every day, you'll get through it and it'll be alright. I agree.

SPEAKER_09 3:02:12

I I think mental health and all that stuff is very, very same thing with everybody. So yep, it's something, it's something that and it yeah, it goes across all spectrums. Cops, you need to understand that you see a lot of traumas. I guarantee you have some more PTSD.

SPEAKER_08 3:02:26

You guys are fucked up, and I understand that.

SPEAKER_09 3:02:29

Yep. Uh, and it's hard for cops to admit, well, I haven't seen anything bad. Trust me, you you're fucked up. I mean, you we we watched a video, I did, I watched a video on a live I did Friday morning or Saturday morning that was so extremely fucked up. And what was my reaction? I laughed because it's like how it's my coping mechanism when I see something traumatic. Uh, I don't find it funny when I'm seeing, I just don't know another way to get it out. And that's a common first responder issue across the board. EMS.

SPEAKER_08 3:02:59

Yeah, and you can't say that shit on body cam because as soon as I get a hold of it, you're fucked.

SPEAKER_09 3:03:03

Right.

SPEAKER_08 3:03:04

Right. So now you're not even allowed to be a human.

SPEAKER_09 3:03:07

Right. And it's it literally is a coping mechanism that is I got tons of dead baby jokes.

SPEAKER_08 3:03:12

You want one?

SPEAKER_09 3:03:13

No, please don't. Not um, my one of my mods, Marine Blood, told me to read this. Uh he said, Eric, please read this. Uh, those that join the Discord, go to the community rules channel and hit the check reaction uh to gain access to the rest of the server. Make sure you do that, otherwise, my mod is gonna yell at me again. So we are at three hours, sir. Auto, uh, if you one, if you don't mind sticking around just for a short second after we end the stream, but on behalf of two cops one donut, I want to thank you for one having the courage and uh to to come on here with some cops. You didn't know what you really didn't know how this was gonna go, and honestly, neither did I. We both took a step forward uh in trying to bridge a gap. And I think I think we did a good job. So I really appreciate you coming on, brother.

SPEAKER_07 3:04:05

Hey, no problem. I thoroughly enjoyed being your donut.

SPEAKER_09 3:04:10

You are a donut. Oh, very nice. Banning, you got any closing words, sir?

SPEAKER_00 3:04:16

I just appreciate everybody sticking around, even for the new people that came. If you didn't get all the discussion, come to the next week's one. Uh, we're not here to to win anybody over if we do great. If not, this is a talking platform for everybody. Uh, you can come in and say whatever you want to about cops, it's not gonna offend us. We're not gonna turn our tail, run away, and go tell our wives that people were mean to us. Please. This is to bring the community and law enforcement together, uh, those that are serving properly out there, and that's what we're here to do.

SPEAKER_09 3:04:46

Yeah. Um, auto, how can people find you, brother?

SPEAKER_08 3:04:49

Oh, uh, well, I'm really hard to miss.

SPEAKER_07 3:04:52

You just have to look for the big fat guy. You can't miss me, dude.

SPEAKER_09 3:04:58

I'm in town. I'm on social media.

SPEAKER_07 3:05:00

How can people the watchdog, O T T O the Watchdog, on basically everything with a link?

SPEAKER_09 3:05:07

Awesome. Okay. Because I was I I look for you everywhere to tag you in everything that we did just so you could be tagged. Oh, I appreciate it. Yeah. Uh guys, this will be available on our Spotify and Apple. We will be downloading the audio so you can hear that. The video is always gonna be available on YouTube.

SPEAKER_08 3:05:22

Wait, is this live?

SPEAKER_09 3:05:24

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_08 3:05:25

Oh, I don't consent to being recorded, sir.

SPEAKER_09 3:05:27

Yeah, yeah, you're good. We we'll we'll edit that part out.

SPEAKER_07 3:05:30

Uh if I see this on the internet, I'm gonna sue you. Good. You'll make nothing. I'm gonna file a lawsuit and then retire.

SPEAKER_00 3:05:40

You're you're you're you're go you're going into the shallowest pockets in the whole market.

SPEAKER_09 3:05:45

Yeah, our podcast is just gonna be called donut. Yeah, it's just donuts. It's not gonna be two cops anymore.

SPEAKER_07 3:05:54

I don't want the cops, I want the donut. It'd be just two cops.

SPEAKER_09 3:05:58

Just two cops, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:05:59

Just two cops, no more fucking donut, autostoler donut.

SPEAKER_09 3:06:03

All right, everybody out there, thanks for watching. Everybody from Auto the Watchdog's uh channel. Thank you for jumping over here and giving us a shot. Uh, hope we kept you around. Um, if not, we understand. But everybody, have a good night. Take it easy. See you next Sunday.

SPEAKER_08 3:06:17

Away.