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Homestead Weed Control | Episode 9

Brad McGinley and Shaun Rhoades

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In this episode, Brad and Shaun chat with Johnson County Agent, Blair Griffin about controlling weeds in your lawn and pastures.   Topics include spurweed control, timing of applications, equipment considerations for homeowners and small commercial sprayers, spraying pastures, and choosing the correct products.   Check out our website for more helpful info around the homestead!

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Welcome to around the Homestead podcast, where we share information on topics from gardens to goats,

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our aim is to provide small farmers and landowners valuable education on projects that may arise around the homestead.

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Whether you have been on the homestead all your life or you had just began the farm lifestyle,

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we hope you garner helpful tips to make your lifestyle most rewarding.

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Now here are our host Brad McGinley and Shaun Rhodes. All right.

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Hello, and welcome to the Round Homestead podcast. I'm your co-host, Brad McGinley, county extension agent in Grant County.

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Got my fellow co-host Shaun Rhodes is over in Scott County. How's the weather looking over there in Scott County today, Shaun?

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Oh, it's pretty today. Uh, actually sunny and pretty, probably going to be 60.

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So things are looking good. That means they're probably going to get bad.

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I don't know. They're calling for a little snow by Saturday evening.

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So that's how it goes here this time of year. You've heard that term.

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That's how we Arkansas. You know, that's that's that's what happens in Arkansas.

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But you know, speaking of sunny weather, when we get those sunny, warm days,

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those weeds start to pop up and that's what we have planned to talk about today and today.

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We've got a very special guest with us. We've got Mr. Blair Griffin, who is a county extension agent in Johnson County with us today,

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and Blair is the weed control extraordinaire for the state of Arkansas.

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Do you need to know how to control a weed? Blair is your man.

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There's only one problem with that is Blair is getting close to retirement,

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so we wanted to have him on our show before he gets out of here and gets into retirement.

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Good to have you, Blair. Oh, thanks for having me on, Brad, how are you and Shaun doing?

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Oh, we're making it, we're making it, we're getting by. And you know,

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Blair is getting that time of year where really one of the first things we need to

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talk about is in weed control is the importance of timing and controlling weeds.

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And even though you know it's amidst the wintertime, we still can can make some work on controlling weeds right now.

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Yes, and and timing is everything. You know, I get you and you guys experiences, too.

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I always say the the number one thing I get calls on is fire ants, and probably number two is spurweed.

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But the problem is most of our spur weed call calls, you know, we get them in May when the Spurs are there.

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And that's why I mean, that's when people start talking and they want to know how to control them.

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And you know, as is, as you deal with it and said, I'm close to retirement.

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So I say this. I just get where I tell people in May I say, Look, just call me next February,

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I'm not going to waste my time or yours to tell you how to control spur weight in May,

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when you really need to do it in January or February, just call me next year and we'll come up with a game plan.

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And when you're dealing with spurweed, we once it comes up early, is always better than later.

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One reason is the smaller the weeds are, they're easier. They are to control.

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And and you know, when you're doing a lawn weed control, do the irregular pattern of yards and shrubs and shade.

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And you know where the kids play and the dogs run you.

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You really need more than one application or want one time out there to get it under control.

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And so you spray early, you'll see what you missed and you still have plenty of time to get back in there and spray again.

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Yeah, timing is really critical, and right now, I know Blair, you and I recently just sprayed a spur weed demonstration.

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If you look, if you've had spur weed in the past, you think it might, it's not there during the wintertime.

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If you know what to look for and know how to look for it, it's there.

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Yes. And you know, we, you know, like you said, we sprayed.

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I think it was back in December and you sometimes you get on your hands and knees and start looking and and you know,

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we all get the calls from the people that say, Well, I sprayed last year and now you're telling me I've got spurweed again.

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And, you know, I tell people, you know, I mean, I've got a background in weed science.

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I lived in the same house for 14 years. I spray my yard every year for spurweed.

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But yet you're not fertilizing yet. I still have super weed and you know, it's not something that goes away really easily.

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If you've got any bare spots in your yard, it's going to show up once it shows up one year.

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If you don't control it, you're back to probably having a severe problem the next year.

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So it's not a one time deal or a one year deal.

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It's a long term project. You know, one thing I'll make you do is, you know, most people, when they call me, it's sticker weed, right?

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So what we're talking about is anytime in the spring and summer,

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if you walk out there barefooted or lay down and you get all these stickers and these sign sticking, it's spur weed is what what you have, right?

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Yeah, we're not talking about sandbars and, you know,

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say sandbars are are much more painful and a lot harder to kill and a lot more expensive to kill.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point, Shaun. So Blair, I know it's kind of wintertime.

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Is there any other, you know, wintertime light winter weed control options or considerations we ought to take into account this time of year?

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Well, you know, to me, our three biggest probably calls we get in Turf

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Weed control our spur weed than Dallas Grass and crabgrass but Dallas and crab or summer grass is probably the other thing.

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You know, if you look at it, a herbicide jug or granular herbicides, it a big box store or even a co-op, you know,

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you would think the world's worst weed was dandelion, but that's the picture on every container you'll ever see.

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Now we do have dandelion in Arkansas, but it's probably not our biggest concern.

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Probably our second biggest one either be little blue grass or henbit.  Hetbits.

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The weeds got a little purple flower on it. We see it this time of year.

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It's one you see in well-maintained lawns. It will pop up.

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So you know there are some other winter weeds we can control.

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Most of the products we use there, what we call broad spectrum, they're going to kill.

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Things other than just spurweed, so so we do have some options out there for things to control.

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Let's talk about products just for a second. As far as control and spur weed and some of these winter annual weeds,

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what would be a recommendation for a homeowner that has spurweed and want to start controlling it?

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What would be some considerations in some products I need to think about?

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Probably the first product I recommend to, you know, you're across the board homeowner, whether it's, you know, a retired person,

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a housewife is tremec or one of the three way broadleaf herbicides that have 2,4-D, dicamba and MCPP.

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they're sold by a million different names. But if especially if you deal with a co-op or good ag supply store and you tell them you want,

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trimec a homeowner combined in quart bottle, it'll be a safe across the board on your different lawns.

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St. Augustine, zoyzia It's pretty safe around your vegetation, your landscape since you don't have a garden, and it should be safe around that.

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And as long as you use the label Rate, followl what the label says,

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it's kind of kind of hard to screw it up from a herbicide standpoint, so that's usually what I always recommend first.

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Now the one disadvantages is at the use rate.

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Sometimes it takes two applications to get rid of spurweed.

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So I will caution you on that. I say, I see.

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All right. So you mentioned some of the other weeds, you know, crabgrass Dallas grass, those kinds of things that you get calls on.

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Talk a little bit about controlling those and talk about a little bit about the different types of products.

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You know, we talk about pre emerge post emerge. We talk about that.

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We talk about pre-emerger crabgrass. But what does that really mean?

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OK, so pre-emerge means we're going to control the weeds, you know, prior to them emerging.

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So like spurweed, we, you know, right now we get people call and say,

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I want to put out a pre emerged for spur weed will spur weed has already emerged, so we're in the post emerge stage.

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If you were going to control spur weed emerge, you have had to put something out in September, you know,

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right now or in February, when we typically put our pre emerges out for crabgrass, it hasn't emerged yet.

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We're going to put a herbicide out to keep crab grass from coming up post emerge after it's emerged,

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you can see the weeds you're putting on a product, kill a standing weed that's a post emerge product.

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So pretty. And it's hard to get people in the mindset by crabgrass in the middle of July.

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They want to put out a pre emerge. Well, you got to put out spray emerges in in February before it ever comes up.

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And that's a hard one for people to understand. Yeah, those are all good considerations.

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What about, you know, one thing we hadn't talked about as a winner burn down application.

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If you have a Bermuda grass lawn or something like that, that's something we would recommend.

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You know, for a burndown application. Yes. If if a homeowner has a good sprayer and understands calibration,

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we typically use the glyphosate products for a burndown and the theory behind it is your Bermuda grass is dormant in the northern half of the state.

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That's not a problem this year, you know, with 60 degree days and on Christmas or 70 degree days,

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I'm sure in Scott County or Grant County, you could find some green patches of Bermuda grass.

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So, you know, most years, it's not a problem this year might have been.

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But we do a dormant application and I have to say it'll do an excellent job on just about anything that's green in your yard in the wintertime.

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And so typically with the Bermuda grass lawn, anything green this time of year is a weed.

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So we want to basically turn our yard brown this time of year.

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And you know, I always joke, I tell people to say, Look, go, go buy a bank, go pick out a bank in town that has a good long care service.

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They've got a Bermuda grass lawn. There won't be a green thing out there.

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It'll just be a six stand up Bermuda grass. And that's, you know, if you want a Bermuda grass lawn, that should be your goal this time of year.

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So something like glyphosate does an excellent job on little blue grass.

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Lot of the said hand hand spur way, dandelion red, dead nettle, all those what I call winter junk weeds that we want to get rid of.

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Sure. So, you know, you mentioned if you've got a good sprayer in calibration,

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we really haven't talked about equipment and safety and those kinds of things for homeowners spray and wise,

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but we probably need that to kind of touch on what type of equipment you're going to need if you're planning on,

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you know, spray in your yard or whatever like that, what type of equipment or looking at what would we recommend?

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Well, I prefer the the tow behind fifteen to twenty five gallon sprayers usually have

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two to three nozzles on them and broadcast across five to 10 foot swath area.

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That's preferable. It's it's easier to apply herbicides with something like that than, say, a one gallon pump up sprayer.

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Mm. You know, if you have a one gallon pump up sprayer, you can do it.

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Wait, the the like a bottle of trimeric will have a conversion on there for a pump sprayer.

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But obviously, you know, unless you have a tiny lawn,

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you're going to have problems doing a good job of of doing a uniform application and not having skips.

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Things like that makes it a lot tougher than with the bigger sprayers.

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Usually, most of those bigger sprayers will cover a half an acre and like I said, you can just do a good job of a uniform application.

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OK. Sounds good. Let's talk a little bit about management after you weed control.

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What are some fertility mowing, and height? All those kinds of things that we need to think about after we've got or weeds control.

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You know, no one's get a soil test. You know, you can't stress enough, it's still free, so there's no reason for someone not to bring it in.

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Once we have a good soil test, we can, you know, we tell them what they need to do, whether it's pH issue or potash.

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Get them straight on that With southern lawns. We need to remind them.

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Weed and feeds don't typically work because you need to be doing weed control now.

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You don't need to be fertilized now. You know, we put typically put out our fertilizers first of April, May.

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Somewhere in there weed control now. So let's get your weed control going.

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You will always want to. Your goal should always be improving your lawn.

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I go back to that bank lawn.  A good, thick lawn is your best insurance for weed control.

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So, you know, just kind of push your lawn. Now my my simple fertilizer program is just, you know, do a good mix fertilizer early April or May,

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and it may be one or two applications of nitrogen during the summer to push your yard along.

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I don't like to go crazy. I've got a big yard. I don't like mow a lot, so let's keep it simple.

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But but make sure it's based on the soil test as far as mowing goes, you know our our recommendation is you.

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You can start with your mower set kind of low.

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And as the summer moves on, you move your mower blade up by the end of the summer into the fall,

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you want your mower blade up probably two inches, three inches on the yard.

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That helps give you winter coverage, so simple things like that can help help you in weed control and once again make your yard thicker.

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Yeah, those are all the considerations. You know, you mentioned our website earlier, Blair.

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We have a lot of great information, some publications that you actually help help write and put together on our website.

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And that website is www.uaex.uada.edu

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We even have a web page strictly dedicated to spur weed.

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If you want to go on there and look at that website, a web page is strictly dedicated to spur weed control,

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so there's a lot of great information on our website. And just just briefly changing gears here, Blair, just quickly.

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You know, this is around the Homestead podcast and you know, a lot of these people that are out there,

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they have a small farm and they have, you know, a couple of small pastures or something like that.

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And and we do get weeds and pastures from time.

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And, you know, they may have a weedy pasture and they want to start, you know, start with weed control when they're in their small pasture.

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What are some considerations that we should should recommend to them if they want to start controlling weeds in their small pastures?

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Well, you know, go back to timing. To me, the spring or, you know, January, February,

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March application of a broad leaf herbicide in our pastures and Hay Meadows is the single most important

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management thing you'll do if you don't get the weeds out of your pastures and you know where cattle.

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There grazing out there, they're going to affect your stand and reduce your stand, you're always going to have broadleaf weight control problems.

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The though this winter, broadly extremely aggressive, if you don't get them under control,

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it suppresses your summer growth, which is when we typically you know you're in Grant County, Shaun's in Scott County.

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I'm in Johnson County. We're not in big fescue areas, so we've got to get our summer forges a good competitive advantage.

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In the way to do that is get the broad leaves out of the way so that that's extremely important.

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You know, 2,4-D been around, probably for 60 years. It's still an effective.

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Economical herbicide will not kill your white clover.

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So, you know, if you haven't been doing a lot of spraying the basic broadleaf, weed control is just to get out,

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get after with 2,4-D really you we're at the middle of January, where right now from now till about into February is an ideal time to spray.

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You know, one of the problems we deal with is rainfall, temperature and wind.

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As far as rainfall goes, if there's no rain in the forecast for the day your spray and get out and spray,

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for the most part, that herbicide will dry on the leaves of those weeds.

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It'll work. So, you know, I always get people that say, Well, it's supposed to rain tomorrow, and I'll think, well, spray today.

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Don't worry about it. The next thing is temperature. Our recommendation is a 50 degree day.

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But you know, if I have a good 40 degree day with no wind or rain in the forecast, I'm going to spray.

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If it's cold, things don't work as fast, but they still work. And last but not least, probably the most serious weather issue we face.

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My opinion is the wind, you know, legally with 2,4-D,

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I think if it's over five miles an hour, you're not supposed to spray.

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And with problem with wind is you get a lot of off target or your your herbicides not getting on what you're trying to kill.

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So that's the one that probably affects me more than anything, and I think it affects our producers.

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If you start spraying now and you wait for days when it's not windy, you might be done by the end of February,

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even on those small operations, so that that means the biggest consideration.

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If any, if you wait to march, you might as well forget it. Yeah, yeah, that know, that's it.

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Once you get to March, it's going to take you three months to get done.

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So I like to start early.

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And you know, once again, if you miss some spots or maybe you have a spot where there's a way that your herbicide control that specific,

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we'd still have plenty of time to get back in there and treat again.

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Yeah, those are good considerations and things they thought it also had to, you know,

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I want to tell our listeners is, you know, when we talk about pet products for passengers, that's different.

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The products that you would use may be a little different than what you would use in your home lawn.

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Yes. And it may take licensing to get some of those products.

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If you're going to be using products like 2,4-D  in your pasture and you're in a commercial agriculture situation.

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You have to have your private pesticide applicator license. You can get that through our office.

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There is a fee for that training and you'll have to apply for your license through the State Plant Board.

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But those are all considerations when you move up from the out of the homeowner,

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which you can consider the general use pesticides into the restricted use pesticides.

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You do have to have a license to purchase and use those in your in your farming operation.

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Yes. And and, you know, we've already touched on it, but whether it's its home lawn, weed control or forage weed control.

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You know, we deal with people and they say, well, I sprayed what you said and it didn't work and and I always go back to, you know,

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when I'm doing presentations or talking, you know, the first thing I always say is,

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let's make sure the spurweed we you're talking about is the spurweed I'm talking about.

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It's not sandburs, so weed id is crucial and we have we have plenty of tools available, whether it's publications or on the website or cell phones.

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People can send you or e-mail you a picture and make sure we're talking about the right way to weed out.

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The next is timing. Once again, you can't kill Spurweed in June and expect to get control.

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And then last not least, its calibration mixing, you know, those things are aren't done correctly.

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Yeah, we might miss the boat on the on our we control, but proper I.D. timing and calibration there.

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There are really I'm not going to say very few, but we can control 95 percent of the weeds out there in lawns and in pastures,

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you know, fairly economically with with ninety five to 100 percent success.

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If we just follow those basic rules, you yeah, those are all good things and your local county extension agent can help you with all of those.

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So I would encourage you if you're thinking about, you know,

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you have a weed in your lawn or in your pasture and you're thinking about, you don't know exactly what it is.

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You know, don't spend hours on your computer trying to figure out what it is.

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Contact your local county extension agent, snap a picture, email it to them,

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and they can help you identify that if they can help, if they can identify that,

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they can contact one of us that can contact Blair before he retires, of course,

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or somebody else in our organization can help you get that weed identified.

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And that's, you know, that's the most important thing is you can't control a pest, and if you don't know what it is, right?

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And so we can help you with that and get that on in with calibration as well, especially if it's a pasture situation and you're going to be,

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you know, you've got to spray a small sprayer on your tractor or even in your, you know, your side by side or whatever it is.

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We can help you with that calibration and help you get that under control and make sure you're putting out the amount of product that you need to do,

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right? And you know, uh, the the thing I would encourage people is is not, you know, not not to be afraid of spraying.

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It's it's, you know, in this day and age with the information that's available, you know, whether it's and you know,

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you think back to a new hobby you picked up or working on, you know, Shaun works on old tractors or there's just a ton of information out there.

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There's no reason to be scared of it. We can do a good job of helping you put together a good, safe, you know, program that that,

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you know, if you if you think if your goals are to have a better lawn we, sure help you do it.

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Sure. Sure. John, you got anything to add before we get out of here for the day.

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No, not really. It's that all sounds good. It's just it reminds me I've got to get to doing some spraying, you and me both.

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Yeah, it's that time of year was sneaks up on you real quick.

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Yet they have that short window of application. It seems like something always pops up during that time.

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Oh no, that's it. But anyways, Blair,

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we appreciate you joining us for the day and we hope that you have success in your retirement and we look forward to speaking with you after that.

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But anyways, we appreciate, you joining us today? You bet.

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I enjoyed it. All right. Again, we appreciate you joining us for around the Homestead podcast today.

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Again, our website is www.uaex.edu

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Excuse me, www.uaex.uada.edu  I'll get it right.

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They recently changed our website, so man, read my mind around that. But old habits die hard and they do.

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They do, they die hard. So we get a lot of great resources on there.

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Reach out to that final contact your local county situation.

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They'll be happy to help you until next time. We'll see you around the farm.

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