Chuck Pfeil is a master of knowing what he can change, and what he cannot. You might meet him as a handyman, a mushroom hunter, a fly fisher or an auditor. Chuck does all those things, but he tries to approach all of them as the same version of himself. It's something he's learned over decades of self-examination, thought and study of New Age texts like Black Elk Speaks, or the works of Deepak Chopra and Caroline Myss. I talk to Chuck about his views on life, how he became interested in spirituality, his views on masculinity, how he navigated a career in public service, and where he's going next.