From NCAA Champions To NBA MVP Chaos And NFL QB Resets

We come back from a long break and run through the biggest swings across college hoops, the NBA, and the NFL offseason. We celebrate the champs, argue about what modern roster churn is doing to college sports, and debate everything from MVP voting to quarterback second chances. 
•UCLA women’s title run and Michigan’s men’s championship defense 
•How the transfer portal and NIL change fandom and program building 
•Whether limiting transfers helps or misses the point 
•Big Ten dominance and what it says about conference strength 
•NBA playoff seeding talk plus Wemby injury concerns 
•Bulls front office changes and how NBA careers get built 
•Coaching carousel thoughts including the jump to North Carolina 
•MVP debate around Jokic, SGA, Luka, and Wemby 
•NFL quarterback reset spots for Kyler, Tua, and Justin Fields 
•Browns quarterback room confusion and ownership influence 
•Aaron Rodgers return speculation and AJ Brown trade talk 
•Colts receiver frustrations and roster holes across contenders 
•Draft needs and why impact players matter early 
•Boxing fights to watch plus why big cards feel rare 
•Reds early season spark and why baseball is a grind 
•Why new NFL jerseys keep getting worse 
We will be doing a co draft show with Crosswater Sports this year. Stay tuned. 

Transcript

We’re Back And Catching Up

SPEAKER_06 1:02

We took a long break. Long, long break. But we back, man, to finish up this NBA season. Talk about this these college championships and uh start leaning towards the uh the draft in NFL free agency, man, the offseason at the NFL, man. So uh I guess, man, how's your sports month been?

SPEAKER_07 1:26

Man, slow motion. Lakers season's over now. All in one night, two guys got hurt in a 40-point blowout. So um that's that's wrapping that up. You know, I'm um geeked about baseball season. So watching that. Uh definitely plan on going to check out some games, but really just just just watching, man. You know, I'm not the hugest uh uh tournament fan, so I'm kind of glad that's over. I I just I don't know why. I just don't I don't like it. Like I'd rather see 12 teams play three-game series or something. I don't know. I I just I I've just I've never been a fan of the tournament. I feel like it's fluky. Granted, I think the best they got it right this year, the best team actually end up winning. We'll talk, I'm sure we'll get to that later. Um but yeah, I'm just I ain't really a fan of it. So I'm kinda glad it's over in uh echo. I got you. My bad is on me. But uh, just just chilling, sitting back watching and seeing how stuff folded out. Unplay. Um, yeah.

UCLA Wins And Michigan’s Defensive Title

SPEAKER_06 2:27

Yeah, I'm not uh I'm not a big college basketball watcher, but yeah, I um when I do catch it, I do like it. So um I'm not against it at all. So but um uh I guess we just start there then. Start with uh college college basketball. First off, sh shout out to the UCLA Bruins women's winning this year. Um didn't know they were going as hard as they were going. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:07

They only had one loss all year, I believe.

SPEAKER_06 3:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:10

I don't remember. I was not aware of that. Yeah, UCLA.

SPEAKER_06 3:15

I didn't think they were that good.

SPEAKER_07 3:16

They kind of started, I think, I want to say last year, though. They were pretty good last year. Um, but now you I mean you you ain't missed a whole bunch of this. I think last year was the first year where they were like actually like really good. And then the stars just aligned for them this year. I think I want to say the only game they lost this year was the uh Big Ten Championship. I could be wrong on that, but no, they were they were good.

SPEAKER_06 3:38

That's that's that's crazy. Um and then also shout out to uh Michigan last night winning the men's um national championship basketball. Oh man.

SPEAKER_07 3:54

And it's it's crazy because this uh this championship kind of reminded me of the football team when they won it all. Just unrelentless, just gritty, just hungry. Like it's something that I saw in both teams. It's just like they just were not gonna lose. It's like, I mean, there were probably what, maybe one, one, maybe two lead changes the entire game. Whatever UConn did, they just was like, nope, not going. Like, nope. We're not gonna let y'all we're not gonna let it happen. And I mean, all the block shots and the paint, the defense was incredible. Um, yeah, they really they really earned that win and they and they got it. And the same thing with the with that football season when they won it all, just like Coram wasn't going. Them guys just was not going for nobody's BS. They were gonna win, and it that's that's how the basketball team looked last night.

SPEAKER_06 4:47

Yeah, so um it was a real defensive game. I mean both both teams shot under under 40% from the field. Uh I can't hear you. Michigan shot 38%, yukon shot 31%. I mean, from three. Michigan shot 13% from the three. Uh, and Yukon didn't do no better shooting 27% as a team. Uh the best offensive. Oh, you can't hear me. Oh, you can't hear me. You said you can't hear me.

SPEAKER_04 5:25

Uh I don't know why not. Can you hear me now?

SPEAKER_06 5:36

Not on my side. I don't know. Everything's moving on my side.

SPEAKER_07 6:43

Um no, no. Let me jump down.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 7:12

Give us a second to work this out. Let me jump back in and see uh see if we can get this going again. Yo, can you hear me now? Yep, I sure can. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 7:27

I didn't think you did. I didn't know what happened.

SPEAKER_06 7:28

It's just like And then, like I'm looking at my bars go up. I'm like, well, definitely can hear me. Like, I mean it ain't on my end. Uh, but no, man, uh, we was talking about uh that game. Yeah, like both teams shot less than 40% from the field, uh, less than 30% from three-point. The shoot, the most solid game was Michigan and they free throw shooting, which they shot 89% from the free throw line. Um, low assist game, nobody had over 10 assists. Um had nine and Michigan had seven. Wow, that's crazy. Um probably one of the biggest things is Michigan had six blocks.

SPEAKER_07 8:11

Yep. One team was huge. Towards the end there, I think it was like a five-point game, and they uh UConn was on a fast break, and they um they missed the layup, but then dude got the offensive rebound and went to put it up. That was that that was huge because that would have cut it to a one-possession game, I believe. It would either cut it to four or cut it to three. But that was that was a huge block. But it was a, you know, basically a replay of what had been happening all season for Michigan. Like, they've had an awesome season, they did everything right. This is like the uh era of the uh of the new coach, man. It's we're starting to see it where guys just come out of nowhere and they just take off. Because like this was no different than what Signetty did. If you think about it, this is Dusty May's second season. They were cool last year.

SPEAKER_06 8:59

And I think he's I want to say 64 and 13 in two seasons.

SPEAKER_07 9:03

Yep. Got the get the whole starting lineup was transfers. So it's like these coaches are coming from these smaller situations, and they have this excellent um uh eye for talent. Signetti brought in a whole bunch of transfers, Dusty May brought in a whole bunch of transfers. Signetti won it in his second year, Dusty May won it his second year. Like, you know, now granted, um, Dusty May did take FAU to the Final Four a couple a few years back, which was that was an incredible feat in itself.

SPEAKER_06 9:32

But this is when you see those type of coaches doing that, and they have an odd I they had the eye, like you said, the eye for talent, uh, the ability to recruit guys, and then you see like without the resources that these bigger school guy has, you imagine when you put those resources behind them with that same mentality, you know what I mean? You get those type of situations like the Indiana and Michigan. Uh Michigan's been, I mean, but Michigan's been drawing guys, you know, with Juwan Howard and all those guys, like they have been pulling guys in, they just never like I guess never performed to where they were supposed to. Um yeah, you get these these quick turnarounds and these guys, it's like I said, and it's gonna happen a lot more too. Now these teams are gonna start seeing the blueprint. It's like, hey, look, if you you get the right coach and you put the resources behind them to get the guys in that you know that they want. Because now it's not even about culture no more in in college basketball or college sports, period, now because a lot of these guys are one and done. They're gonna be, you know, they're gonna be gone. You know what I mean? You know, that same, you know, that same year, you know what I mean? So you're literally squeezing as much talent out of them as you can.

SPEAKER_07 10:49

College sports ain't even really like it's just it ain't the same no more. Every everything's a one-year deal, pretty much. Yeah. You could kill and leave, you could not play and leave, you could play and suck and leave. Like nothing is there's no situation that's tying you to a program. Like, you see all all every year you see guys and girls transfer in all different types of situations. Usually it was, you know, uh, he's buried at the end of the bench, you know, so he's gonna transfer. Alright, cool. Or, you know, something happened with his family, he needs to go back home, or you know, he he kind of over uh you know, over uh extended himself with leaving and going across the country. He's transferring back closer to home, cool. Now guys can be runner up in the championship and leave. You know, absolutely they can be conference player of the year and leave.

Transfer Portal Madness And New Limits

SPEAKER_06 11:41

So with that being said, uh, did you hear about I'm gonna say the government uh doing an executive order to um now limit uh players to I think it's two transfers in five years.

SPEAKER_07 12:03

There's way too much other crap that needs to be addressed before that. Like I don't care that much. I mean, at the end of the day, sports is a business for them, but for me it's entertainment. So like at the end of the day, I'm not too worried about entertainment to where I need our uh administration worrying about guys transferring, like, because like you said, it's a business now. So like there's no difference between guys transferring and guys leaving jobs going to other jobs, switching jobs, yeah. Right. So the last thing I think any administration needs to be doing is trying to um, you know, weasel their way into college athletics, but with this administration, I mean you there's really no no telling what you know um is next for them. So I I believe it's true plenty of other things we need to be, you know, uh worried about as a as a country. So I can't do whatever with it, listeners that that you feel you need to do with that information, but that's nah.

SPEAKER_06 12:59

I'm not mad at that. Uh because again, like I like that they're doing it, and I like how they they pull together, you know what I mean, the top universities in each conference. Like, you know what I mean? They have representation from all ends. Uh and they kind of, you know, even networks and stuff like that, everybody kind of came together to kind of figure out, like, because it we can agree, it was getting out of control, and it's hard to root for for players or teams and stuff, because it's like you can't build a a uh um what am I trying to say? You can't build like a program, really a program, really, yeah, like in the modern-day sports now, because it's I mean, college it's sports, it's like it's free agency now.

SPEAKER_07 13:49

Yeah, and it's like literally free agency. I heard coaches saying that they have to like actually recruit their own team still. Because it's like you gotta sell the guys, no matter what. You finish at the bottom of the conference, you finish at the top of the conference, you gotta keep guys to stay. Because, like you said, there's no uh there's no set reasoning for a transfer. I mean, there used to be just like a few different reasons why a guy would want to leave. Now there's nothing. I mean, you can win it all, win your conference, player of the year, first team off conference, and leave. Legitimately.

SPEAKER_04 14:21

Literally, literally.

SPEAKER_07 14:23

Coaches now have to not only do they have to recruit guys to come, they gotta recruit the guys that they have that they want to actually stay year after year. Everything's a one-year contract, so that's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 14:33

Yeah. So more than 800 players enter the transfer portal within hours of it opening on uh uh today. Eight more than 800. Even if that's 801, that's still a lot of players leaving schools all over the country.

SPEAKER_07 14:55

Then you gotta think about it, are all 800 plus uh guys gonna be able to land somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 15:01

You know?

SPEAKER_02 15:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:03

Because with the high school, I mean you gotta think about the guys that's leaving to go to the NBA. You know what I mean? People that declare, you know, uh PJ Hagdery, you know, Mikhail Brown Jr., like going to the NBA, like it's it's a lot. I mean, it's if I I envy, I I don't envy, I should say, these college coaches nowadays. Nah. Not at all. What you gotta go through. Like you're like you said, you're literally building a team every year. And like you said, usually, like in college, you win a championship, you got guys coming back, they want to try to repeat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 15:37

God just like we won a championship. Where's the money at? Show me the money.

SPEAKER_06 15:41

Yeah. Now that I won championship, who's gonna pay me the most money? It doesn't make more sense to go to the NBA right now, declare, and you know what I mean? That's you know, that that that rookie contract, is that gonna be my best bet? Or, you know, like you said, looking for the next team. You know, is that gonna be my next best financially? And that's literally what it boils down to. But I also think limiting them to one transfer, it it kind of protects the game too, and it gives you a chance to build also. It makes it like, okay, if you leave once, like, you gotta make sure that that's what's in the best interest uh for you, not necessarily just money-wise, because you got recruiters out there sending people uh allegedly sending players pictures of money and da-da-da-da-da. Like, you know what I mean? So tampering, but like, and I think that to me, I don't like the tampering part of it. Yeah, because you gotta think on a college team, you not only we dealing with athletics, you're dealing with uh you're dealing with schooling, you know what I mean, credits, like people graduating, you know what I mean? Like everything that goes into it, you know what I'm saying? So it's like make a decision not only for your your your professional sporting career, but like think about your future too. Like, hey, if I go to this school, like they may not have what I want to major in. You know what I'm saying? Like, make them think about more than just money. I'm just saying, you gotta think about more than just money, unless you're just a star, you're just that dude, you know what I mean? But yeah, I don't think anybody's really like you said, 800 guys, that's it's not 800 stars, just you know what I mean? Just moving around the country. So it's like if you just keep letting that happen year in and year out, and guys are just jumping from here to here to here to here to get an extra 50 grand or a hundred thousand, you know what I mean? It's like again, now they get to the league and you don't know who these guys are. You don't know who nobody is, like this like this Michigan team. I can't name a guy.

SPEAKER_07 17:53

I don't know any of those dudes. Never heard of any.

SPEAKER_06 17:55

You don't you don't because you don't get a chance to develop, like even if I was a fan of Michigan, like you can't you can't even really become fans of these guys because once you don't know them when they get there. You know what I mean? You get one year with them, then they go wherever they're gonna go, and then it's like out of sight out of mind, like they ain't at Michigan no more, so I don't care.

SPEAKER_07 18:15

Right.

SPEAKER_06 18:17

And you know, they go like you remember like the Carmellos, because it was special. You know what I mean? You think about you know, certain guys who was on the team, you know, the Kimberwalkers and stuff, people who done special things in NCA tournament in their college careers, and you like okay, cool. And then when they go to the league, you follow them. But like now you can't follow nobody, you don't know nobody. That's why we get to the NBA draft, we like, I don't know these guys.

SPEAKER_07 18:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:43

Unless they just come out and have a crazy rookie year, you know what I mean? Like, so I think kind of settling that transfer portal thing and making kids kind of sort of commit in a way. I think that'd be good for fan bases, you know, especially people like us who choose to talk about sports. It'd be easier for us to follow teams and become fans of players before they get into the NBA and become stars.

SPEAKER_07 19:13

Nah, I think.

SPEAKER_06 19:14

Oh man, I remember when they made that run in the in the March Madness, you know what I mean? Uh, you know, whatever, in Maryland, whatever. You know, I mean, you can remember guys, but it's hard to do it in college football.

SPEAKER_07 19:25

Yeah, that's what we lose, man. That's what I'm saying. We try, but outside of like your your main guys, yeah, man. It's it's slow.

SPEAKER_06 19:34

And even at your school. That's what I'm saying. Like, you lock into like the starting, you know, your starters, and maybe a couple guys who may have came come back from the year before who didn't go into the draft. But like, after that, you like we'll see who we get in this year. We'll see who we get in the transfer portal. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 19:56

Right.

Big Ten Flex And SEC Narrative Shift

SPEAKER_06 19:57

Uh, but nonetheless. Congratulations to, like I said, Michigan and UCLA. Men's a women's a man. I'm gonna jump over to Grown Up's league.

SPEAKER_07 20:08

One more thing I wanted to mention before we move on here is man, it's crazy. You know, you know, I'm I'm not that um, you know, bandwagon type of guy that's just gonna like ride it, but the Big Ten, that's that's the NF, that's the the football champion in both men's and women's basketball. Hey, I mean, that's gotta mean something. So as a conference, isn't it? And you kind of football. I'm about to say you look yep.

NBA Standings And Wemby Injury Talk

SPEAKER_06 20:35

I mean, I guess that's gotta mean something. No, for sure. And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, like a lot of their they've been dominating it at the SEC to get to these positions to win championships. So where you look at where the SEC has been, you know, been that conference that people have been kind of like honed in on, like a lot of the Big Ten championships have been on the backs of SEC teams on their way there. You think about Michigan when they won it, they beat Alabama, they beat Texas. You look at Ohio State, what they did to Texas, like they they went through a couple uh SEC teams, like even uh Michigan, like they, you know. Yes, right. Texas. Maybe you know they they moving around like like this start, that tide is starting to turn. The SEC may not be like that premier conference uh in college sports, as they has been known to be, I guess, in the past. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So no, I'm with that. I agree. All right, jump over to the NBA real quick. Um, first Pistons dominance, man. The only one seed to clinch right now, man, with about a week, a little over a week left in the NBA. Only team to clinch. Number one team. Uh Thunder ain't clinched. Don't think so yet. Now that's number one seed. Damn. Yep. So because I I bet I still think like the Nuggets may be able to catch them, I think, at number two. So I think I think they may be too close in the in in the West. Them two anyway. But then you got like seeding situations with like you look at the Celtics and the Knicks. You know what I mean? How that can shake out. What do you think about Wendy's rib injury?

SPEAKER_07 22:29

I don't know. I've been saying it all along that that guy's frail. So I, you know, I don't really know. But yeah, now that you said that, I'm looking back at it now. Um, pause. It's crazy. But I'm looking at the the standings. And um San Antonio is only three games behind the Thunder, which is crazy. And they got the tiebreaker. So they, in theory, could they end up as number one? That's crazy. I didn't think anybody was within 10 games of them.

SPEAKER_06 22:54

That's that's I mean, I think because they started off so um so dominant this season, early on in the season, like they kind of been on a roller coaster. Like, you know what I mean, after the uh All-Star break. So um, I'm not surprised that the Spurs are right there, you know, Nuggets too, uh, just are right there to compete with them.

SPEAKER_07 23:17

Um well the Nuggets is way Nuggets got 12 12 back in the lost college. Oh, okay. Okay, only only their only uh comp is the uh Spurs and Spurs games. So I and with let's see, what four games left, they'd have to, you know, obviously, if I think if uh Oklahoma City wins two more games, I think that's right. If they win two more games, then that they'll they'll wrap it up. But then I I didn't I had no idea it was that close. No idea. That's wild.

SPEAKER_06 23:51

Yeah. Um also bulls uh fire their.

SPEAKER_07 24:02

Man, did I lose the audio again?

SPEAKER_06 24:06

Only thing I'm doing is switching. Why is my audio why are you losing audio for me switching scenes?

SPEAKER_01 24:22

This has never happened before. Justin, I know you just jumped in here. Can you hear me?

Bulls Front Office Shakeup

SPEAKER_06 24:34

Okay, it gotta be on his side. Cause all I did was switch scenes. Yeah, I ain't gonna be. But nonetheless, um Yeah, man, the Bulls fired their GM, man. Uh, and a basketball operations guy. Yeah, yeah. I don't I don't know that much about NBA front offices, like who would be out there for that.

unknown 25:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 25:08

I don't I've always wondered how those guys got those jobs.

SPEAKER_06 25:12

Because it's not kind of like the NFL where you kind of hear about GMs and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 25:16

Like you kind of know some of them guys I kind of questions, like what what what career like uh like if somebody wanted to be a GM, like what does that look like? Do you go to the club? Probably have to start off as a scout. Yeah, I guess you work your way up that way. Yeah, I guess that that would be man, if I could do everything over again.

SPEAKER_06 25:36

Yeah, start off as like a I mean video guy, yeah, player personnel, you know what I mean? Like all type of things, you know what I mean? Just intern of anything. Ah, probably have to go, probably, probably have some type of school schooling in it too. Uh player management or something like that. Yeah, something around there. Like you say, get lucky enough to land an internship somewhere and become a scout.

SPEAKER_07 26:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 26:08

And then kind of build up from there. Uh especially if you if you're a scout that like constantly hit on guys. You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:18

Pause. I I definitely get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_06 26:22

Hitting on guys is crazy. Uh so yeah. Um, it'd be interesting to see what the bulls do. I mean, they've been they've just been subpar for so long. So it's like I don't know. I mean, did you get rid of the coach too? Like they we we haven't talked about the bulls in forever. That's a good coach, too. Billy Donovan's good. Yeah, but I mean, how long has he been there?

SPEAKER_07 26:48

He's been there a minute. Because shit. I wanna say he left a because no, he was in OKC first, right? I think he was. After he left Florida, I think he was in OKC. Um for Yeah, I think he was coaching uh coaching Durant now. Yeah. I wanna say.

SPEAKER_06 27:08

And I think he uh I think he won uh he won Coach of the Year too.

SPEAKER_07 27:14

Yeah, he was he was uh in well he I think he coached the year he started there. He didn't have Durant. Nah, let me see. 15, 16. No, he came in the year Durant.

SPEAKER_06 27:26

I didn't know he played in NFL. I mean NBA too. Uh did I know that? He played point guard, yeah. I'm looking at it as uh what you call it, Ranger.

SPEAKER_07 27:34

I don't think I knew that either.

SPEAKER_06 27:35

So so yeah, he coached Thunder.

SPEAKER_07 27:38

He played one.

SPEAKER_06 27:38

Yeah, he coached the Thunder for five years from 2015 to 2020, and then from 2020 to now the Bulls. So he's been there six years. He's coached, he coached at Kentucky as a assistant from 89 to 94, Marshall in Florida from 96. Yeah. And he played for the uh the Knicks and for one year, and that was really it. But yeah, no, he's coach of the year.

SPEAKER_07 28:04

It's crazy how these guys just like jump into coaching and they just move themselves around. Like I think that's one of the most fascinating things, looking up their uh their coaching history and then just see how everything just, you know. Because um Dustin, man, he was a he was an assistant for shit, um damn near 20 years before he got his first gig.

SPEAKER_06 28:26

So sometimes it just takes guys that long, like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_07 28:30

But look at a national champion.

SPEAKER_06 28:33

And usually somebody in front of them has to vouch for them, like somebody who's prominent, who's been a coach somewhere, had to do something. Like, you gotta be an assistant somewhere on a good team to usually get seen.

SPEAKER_07 28:43

Especially like that's another thing I noticed though. Everybody always has like a tie somewhere. Like there's it's always a tie, especially to that first job, it's always a tie somewhere. Either, you know, their college coach brought them on, or you know, they went to school there, or you know, it's it's all it's it's just interesting for me to look at because I was looking at a few coaches today, like Dusty may be in one of them, and just looking at how you know their first like real job or their real opportunity tied together with something else, and then how another uh job, you know, how that tied together with something else, and it's it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_06 29:19

Yeah, and then you look at like especially like in the NBA, you look at like Jason Kidd was an assistant, you know what I mean? Chauncey Bill was like all these guys that was came up like under assistant. Do you look at the trees? They'd be like, oh, he was under the Popovich tree, or you know what I mean? And Mike Brown's and you know Larry Brown.

SPEAKER_07 29:38

Huh? Can't say if Cassidy, I feel like he's been an assistant for a long time. Yeah, bro. He's been an assistant for a minute.

SPEAKER_06 29:46

But maybe some of them just don't want to, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. That's true. Because like, like, kind of have like in we talk about in the NFL, like every coordinator don't deserve to be a coach. They might want to, but like once they get in that coaching role, it's like, nah, you probably should just be a coordinator. Right. So maybe a lot of them guys just be like, look. And in the NBA, a lot of guys stick around a long time, too. They get those positions too, like, especially if like like perennial playoff team, like, like how we was when Denver fired their coach and stuff. Like, we was like, what?

Coaching Moves And Control Versus Owners

SPEAKER_07 30:19

Like, no, did you see where he's going?

SPEAKER_06 30:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:22

North Carolina. That is crazy. I didn't see that one coming at all.

SPEAKER_06 30:26

Me neither, because we was thinking, like, oh, he might go to Memphis. Like, he like, we were thinking about these other coaching jobs that was popping up around the time that he left. We was like, all NBA jobs, but I didn't see that one coming at all.

SPEAKER_07 30:37

I think the Knicks screwed it. I think what happened with him, I think he said, you know what, I don't want to do NBA. So he's like, so I'll just do the TV thing until a fire spot opens up in college. Because the the the the Knicks having do Mike Brown is it should not be the coach of Knicks right now. That that's just plain and simple. He he's he he shouldn't be the coach of Knicks right now. I think the Knicks thought that they would be able to poach somebody and get somebody to leave their current situation or get him. I mean, you I just figure he would be coaching somewhere in the NBA. The only reason I think now it's all making sense with him taking his job, I think it's clear, he's making it clear that he didn't want to coach an NBA, and this college ride is something he wanted to try. So, you know, I I I'm not having a college job just didn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_06 31:25

So Because I also look at it too, like North Carolina is like there's some college jobs that's equal to NBA jobs.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 31:37

Because like one. Exactly. A Duke, like, you know what I mean? Even you can even look at a Yukon, Florida, the Houston, like some of these prominent college, you know, basketball teams, I'm not saying they're equal as far as, you know, like popularity and all that, but like a North Carolina, like, I don't think that's a step back for him.

SPEAKER_07 31:59

No, for sure. And the difference is he'll be able to, he'll be able to to have his imprint on everything UNC basketball. Whereas uh in Denver, you was hearing it that you know they wanted him to play certain guys and he had to do this and that. At UNC, he'll better control everything. And that's probably what he wanted. He probably was just like, you know what, I don't want to have pressure from this guy to play this guy when I think this guy should be playing, but the owners want me to play this guy because he's getting paid more. It ain't gonna be none of that North Carolina. So it's kind of making sense now. Because I I didn't quite understand it before, but I I think it's making sense now. Not saying that he knew North Carolina was gonna come available, but he was probably like, you know what? Hey, I'm I'm chilling until I can get a good college gig. And that's that's North Carolina's desirable job, so he got it.

SPEAKER_06 32:48

But like when you've had when when your resume is what it is, and like how you know good of a coach you was with with Denver, you know, I mean, granted, you you got Jokic and Murray and all those guys, you had a really good team for a long time. But you know, getting a championship out of it, all those things, you do I have to rush to jump back on a a bad NBA team, you know what I mean, and try to go through all of that again? Or can I just sit back and kind of wait for the right, like you said, the right situation or the right call, you know, for me to to jump back in? Right. Like I he's one of those coaches that can kind of like, hey, look, I've won a championship in the NBA. Like, I can sit back and just kind of wait for something that's gonna inspire me to want, you know, to take the job instead of just feeling desperate, I gotta jump right back in there. Let me build up another, you know, NBA team. When, like you said, there's probably the owners and stuff, you're gonna deal with that no matter where you're at. A D, you kind of work together as a head coach in the AD, but you got owners, bro. You see what happened with Dallas.

SPEAKER_07 33:55

Because they're getting they're getting money in college now, but it's still not NBA money by no stretch. No. So no, I get that. You're you're you're 100% right on that.

SPEAKER_06 34:04

So I I'm I I'm kind of with you on that. Like, I think that's probably what he did. He probably just sat back and was like, look, if I'm gonna get back into coaching, it's probably gonna be college. I don't want to deal with with all that overhead of ownership and GMs and they in cahoots against me, which GM couldn't even be in cahoots because it got rid of him too. So, but you know, I can like you say, you can have a little more control in college, definitely. Right. So, no, I'm all the control. So, yeah, no. That's that's you're really out of control, right? Right, right.

SPEAKER_07 34:35

But I just I just knew he was gonna be Knicks head coach. I thought he was any of them, he would have been the top candidate for any of the jobs. The the Phoenix job, I even thought he was gonna get the uh Spurs job. I didn't think that they were gonna make that guy the permanent coach. But the Spurs, Knicks, uh Phoenix were you know some of the some of the the best jobs, and I I thought he was at least gonna sell one of those. But the Knicks. I mean, even that Phoenix job, like at the time, that was fire because they still had the rant.

SPEAKER_06 35:04

Yeah. But you know, I think they got rid of the city. But I think but like you said, I think again, I think he just don't want to deal with ownership.

SPEAKER_07 35:11

No, that's a fact. I think that's exactly what it is. So it it with hearing that news, it kind of it just like a light just went off. I was like, ah, I see what he was doing.

SPEAKER_06 35:20

Um who wins MVP this year, man? Oh MBA, I should say. Because it's it's I mean, WB and I I don't I don't know. Like, hey, I wouldn't mad at it.

SPEAKER_07 35:33

I would I wouldn't be mad at co-MVPs between uh Shay and Jokic, honestly. Neither one of those guys is doing anything or not doing anything to not make them the MVP of the week. They're both killing it. I mean, you look at Jokic's numbers on the nightly, it's like, bro, what's what's happening? And uh Shay is a scoring machine. Regardless of situation, he's he's gonna get 30. Like they're both really good. Um I I don't know, man. I feel like Shay is the easy answer because Jokic already has what three? Yes, two. But uh They wouldn't give him the third. I wouldn't be mad at co MVPs, man. I Wimby, I I think I think he he'll he'll just get the the benefit of the doubt. He'll just you have to sit this one out. He'll have 20 more. I personally think it comes down to uh to Jokic and uh Shay. I honestly averaging 31-4 and had a chance too. Because he's been killing. I I think he had a chance too. But uh yeah, I think it's down to uh Shay and Jokic. And I don't think either one of those guys deserve to not be the MVP, if that makes any sense.

SPEAKER_06 36:42

Yeah, but you can't hear me again. Man, what is happening? Every time I change screens, I gotta quit changing screens. This is wild. So looking at Shay numbers, um Yeah, I mean, definitely MVP numbers, but I think back to back, I don't think well, I you say you can't compare numbers compares.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

I mean, you nobody's numbers compare to Jokic.

SPEAKER_06 37:13

I mean, if you just being Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying to get back to back. I don't I don't know if you give them back to back. Um I don't I don't think they give them back to back. There's been a lot of controversy around it too, like, especially with him on MVP with him on um, I guess, I mean, the fouls, the free throws, all that good stuff. Yeah, yeah. I don't I don't know. So you say you don't think Shea gets it this year? I just think it's been a leg a lot of negative talk around him. I mean, no fault to him. I mean, he's playing it, he's playing the game. Like, the game is the game. I mean, I I think a part of the game is being able to draw fouls. I mean, that's just what it is nowadays. Um But I just think that conversation and how it's been uh throughout the league, I just don't see I don't see him getting it. I I would say you give it to Jokic again, especially averaging a triple-double again.

SPEAKER_07 38:12

Man, that's tough. Yeah, I don't think I'm glad I have to figure that out.

SPEAKER_06 38:17

But yeah, I think I mean I think if Luca wouldn't have got hurt, Luca would have got it just so you wouldn't have to have that Jokic conversation or that Shay conversation. I think a lot of people probably would have just gone down the middle and said, all right, I'm gonna give my vote to to Luca so I don't have to have the conversation about either one of these two. How I don't I don't think Demner deserves it every year based on his numbers and how he played and the position he puts his team in. And Shay is probably the probably the best scorer of this. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 38:51

I thought I thought Luca deserved some um deserved some some some looks for it, but he wasn't gonna win it. And I think you know why I think that he wasn't gonna win it. He wasn't gonna win it. So I'm just I'm just saying I think he definitely from a standpoint.

SPEAKER_06 39:10

I just want to say I'm just looking at a standpoint from where like the the people's like, all right, do we want to give Jokic his third or do we want to give Shea back to back?

SPEAKER_07 39:23

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 39:25

That's what I'm saying. Like the the same way we're sitting we're sitting here like yeah, uh I don't know. I think the voters are probably sitting looking that way too.

SPEAKER_07 39:34

Yeah, I just think the hate surrounding the Lakers and all that, they weren't gonna they weren't gonna vote for Luca. But I I don't think that's casualty by by association, really. But I mean, yeah, I just I don't I don't think now I think he'll get first team All-NBA if if they allow it, shit. I mean, but because technically he didn't get it.

SPEAKER_06 39:57

Jokic 28, 12, and 10. Well, you really 28, 13, and 11 on 57% shooting, 38 from the three, 80, 83% from the free throw. And Denver averaging is still in a half and a block a game. And his team is what? They're fifth, what they sixth in the West? Fifth in the West?

SPEAKER_07 40:22

Uh I just had that shit pulled up. Uh the Nuggets are I want to say third in the West. Yeah, they're third in the West.

SPEAKER_06 40:30

Okay, third, my bad.

SPEAKER_07 40:31

So nowhere close to second or first, but they're third in the West.

SPEAKER_06 40:34

Okay, so even being third in the West, like. And I mean, or Wimby. Wimby, I think Wimby was was the other uh other possible pick. But he they played enough games, did he? Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_07 40:56

Oh yeah, I haven't even I ain't looked at that. I don't know what it's gonna look like if he don't come back at the regular season.

SPEAKER_06 41:02

So yeah, I don't know. Yeah, because Wimby averaging 25, 25, 11, three, three blocks. I mean, I don't know. How many games has he played?

SPEAKER_07 41:21

Uh it doesn't show me on this. Yeah, so he he still got two more games to play. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_06 41:31

That may be, he may win it by default too. Like I said, I I don't I think people are burnt out on Jokic. They not feeling Shay right now. Lucas hurt, so Wimby may win it.

SPEAKER_07 41:43

I don't know. You think the media is not feeling Shay? I don't like I get I I see where like losers on uh on on um you know social media are talking about you gotta screw on that. I see losers on social media are talking about uh you know Shay this and Shay that. But I think the media, the actual voters, I think the NBA as a whole, they're mess, they're messing with Shay. Okay. Yeah, for sure. For sure. They're damn there gave giving him the face of the league. I'm not mad at that. I think the voters are definitely rocking with Shay. It's just these losers on the same losers that think LeBron is buns, those guys are the ones that's trying to, you know, because you know, it's something about, you know, when guys are good, fans of other guys like try to discredit instead of just like appreciating the hoops. Like, I mean he's he's a hooper. No matter how he's getting it, just like James Harden, nigga was killing. I don't care how many free throws he was shooting the game, stop fouling. Um, so you know, it I I think it's social media that is that's not really rocking with SGA, but the real, no. People that really appreciate and know the game of basketball uh respect Shea Gilders Alexander. So, yeah, I think that's a that's a social media thing and not uh you know the people who actually care. I think NBA media messes with Shay for sure.

SPEAKER_06 43:06

Definitely probably one of the most interesting MVP races we'd have had in a minute. Nah, for sure. Usually coming coming down to this point in the season, like we usually kind of have an idea of who it who to be. But yeah, it's crazy. I mean, this is legitimate three choices that if any of them are picked, you won't be like, what? Why? Right. So Justin, you got any input on that on the MVP? MBA MVP.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

No.

SPEAKER_06 43:38

Alright. Um I guess last but not least, man. Talk a little NFL. Hopefully the sound don't go out.

SPEAKER_07 43:54

Nah, I can still hear as of now.

SPEAKER_06 43:56

Oh, okay, cool. All right. Uh Damn it.

SPEAKER_07 44:04

Yeah, it's something about like doing something.

NFL QB Reboots Kyler Tua Fields

SPEAKER_06 44:45

Alright, you good? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm back. Alright. I don't think I have to switch screens anymore unless I'm looking at stats or something. Because I have a screen that shows the stats of who we're talking about in that moment. I wonder why that's doing that, though. That's weird. I don't know. It never did that before. Yeah, it hasn't. I don't know. Alright, so NFL. Um I guess let's start with the quarterbacks, man. Uh Resurrections, man. What do we think? Do we think Kyler Murray gonna uh get back to form with the Vikings?

SPEAKER_07 45:18

I think he'll be able to go crazy. Because to me, Kyler Murray was never Oh, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, oh crap! Oh, he scored!

SPEAKER_06 45:27

He's watching baseball right now. Mid conversation. Mid conversation.

SPEAKER_07 45:33

Hey, that's a live reaction. That's fire. You was answering the question. Hey, it's bottom of the ninth, two outs, and we just tied it up on a damn near a steal from and we just stole home.

SPEAKER_06 45:47

So Tua, so Tua and and uh Kyler, do we think they can re-resurrect their careers in in that new spot?

SPEAKER_07 45:56

For sure. I mean, this you know what? If as long as the coach got a good game plan and they and they can stick to it, uh both both guys got weapons. I mean, you got one of the best receivers in the NFL with Kyler, you got one of the best running backs in the league, if not the best running back in the league in Atlanta with Bijan, that's that's that's something to build on. Like I could work with that. I feel like if from what they've done um even in college and in their you know so far in the NBA, what they're done, you add them with a high-caliber player like that, I mean, you might be able to make something happen. I mean, if Atlanta's defense can hold, Minnesota's defense is cool. I I I I like it. I I think I I think they have a good chance of succeeding both guys in both situations. What do you think, Justin?

SPEAKER_03 46:42

I agree. I agree. I mean, I I think uh KOC is shown this up to be. I mean, he he knows how to work with quarterbacks. I mean, we never see him work with somebody like Kyler. I don't think it's gonna change. If anything, it's gonna elevate because I don't know that he's ever had anybody that has that kind of talent that Kyler has. So, you know what I mean? So I think Kyler's gonna have a heck of a year. Um and then I think I think to I mean two is he's I mean he's he's a serviceable QB, and I think in that system, that system that I asked you to throw down the field a ton, it's about timing, you know what I mean? And I think he can throw on time as long as whatever was kind of, I would say, harming him in his in his mental, where he kind of got out of out of sorts in Miami. But I mean, as long as he can get get out of his own way on that, he's gonna be, I mean, he's gonna have another good year too. Um, I think that system fits his fits his his plan very well. I think the bigger question is probably gonna be what's gonna happen to JJ and uh Michael Bennett if both of these guys have you know success this year. What does that look like from them moving forward?

SPEAKER_06 47:43

Right. Well, I think that I mean, first off, both of the guys need to stay healthy. Uh that that that's the biggest determining factor, I believe, of either one of their career trajectories.

SPEAKER_07 47:54

So they really got two questions. Phoenix can't stay so healthy either. You know, because I I think Penix is a in it, I could be biased.

SPEAKER_06 48:01

That's what I was saying. That's what I'm saying. Like both of them, JJ and Penix both need to stay healthy. That's gonna determine, you know, their the trajectory of their careers anyway, because both of them are when they've been healthy, has played okay. Yeah, uh, but I think both teams made the right move in bringing in some proven veterans that like, hey, look, we we're in positions to win these divisions, especially well, Atlanta probably more than Minnesota, just with the NFC North just being a lot better over the past couple years. But I mean, like, you gotta bring somebody who's gonna be there. Um, and I think they brought in two good young guys to be like, hey, look, if push comes to shove and these guys can't stay healthy or they're not gonna be ready, then we can move forward with these two. Right. And possibly extend them a year or two if we have to.

SPEAKER_07 48:49

And then there are possible trade pieces. I mean, like, I I don't I don't believe I don't I can fully say that I don't believe in JJ McCarthy, never have, but I haven't lost it all in Michael Penix. It's just he gotta stay healthy, but it's just like I was saying, I could be biased because I've seen him cook my team, even with IU before he even went to Washington. The boys can make the throws. That's why I'm still kind of about Justin Fields. I've seen him make these throws, I know it's there. It's just a matter of him putting it together. I don't know if it's lost confidence on his end or the coaching on their end or the system. I don't know. But I've seen both guys make these throws. JJ McCarthy, I can't really say I've seen him win. I mean, I've seen him do whatever it takes to win and get it done, and he's got it done. But I've seen JJ, I've I've seen Penix and uh Justin Fields, guys like that, actually to a. I've seen these guys make these throws. So that gives a little bit of optimism as you know, as to them succeeding going forward for sure.

SPEAKER_06 49:50

Yeah, and I wasn't even thinking, I didn't think about Justin Fields in Kansas City. Like, but when he's been like, and I guess the only example we really have, I mean, is Pittsburgh, but like he's shown that hey, he can he can be cool, calm in the pocket, he can relax, he can deliver the ball, like he can do those things that people is like, okay, he's just a if my first option ain't there, take off a run. Like, he's just this all over the place quarterback. It's like in a stable organization, he's played stable football. So I think going to Kansas City is another situation where you got a stable franchise, a stable coaching staff where the message is gonna be consistent. I think they're getting uh Benny B back, so like I think that's gonna be good for him. Somebody who not only has a like Kansas City will develop the offense around what he does best, right? And I'm not gonna say improvising is probably one of the good best things he does, which Kansas City allows Patrick to do a lot of that too.

SPEAKER_07 50:49

So right, definitely not gonna wow out and say that he possesses the same talent as Patrick Mahomes, as far as his scrambling stuff and that sucks.

SPEAKER_06 50:56

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 50:57

Like, like he can do all of that, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 51:00

So the problem is he damaged goods at this point. Because I think everybody, my prop, my my biggest thing I've always said about Fields, and I'm I'm with you, Jerry. I'm not saying he's the greatest thing to walk on the football field, but I am saying the dude has literally never played for anybody worth two nickels when it comes to offensive football and coaching quarterbacks. I mean, he's so I don't it's hard for me to give up on somebody who's been in them situations, and that's happened. I mean, we've seen it happen before, and we've talked about it before where it's important for quarterbacks, especially, where you play at, like your landing spot, that coaching, that that is huge for probably 99.9% of quarterbacks. There are a few who but yeah, but yeah, for him, I mean, I don't know. I mean, because all the rumors right now is that Mahomes are gonna be ready for week one. So I don't even know if we're gonna see that. Yeah, yeah, that's the that's the rumor. That's what that's what they're rumoring. Yeah. But I mean, I I don't even know if we'll see Fields. He's yeah, I mean, he's a good insurance policy to have, and you know, be able to coach him up, but at the same time, um, I look at him and I say, best case scenario, and y'all probably remember this, was what Andy Reid did for Michael Vitt. And if he if if Fields can capture some of that, then he got he got a shot to be a starter in this league again. Uh if not, then you know he's just gonna be a backup.

SPEAKER_07 52:19

For sure.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

But it's possible because Andy Reid knows how to work with quarterbacks.

SPEAKER_06 52:23

So I can see that. I agree. I agree with that too. That's what I'm saying. Like, he's he's shown he can play football. I mean, like good football. Win you games like like I think Chicago was a mess, you know, when he got there. I mean, of course the Jets was a mess. Like, it's just he's been in some, like you said, some situations where it's just not been ideal for him. Um so Kansas City definitely, if he gets a chance to see the field, if we get a chance to see him play, then that'll that'll be a big um because nobody's gonna blame Kansas City if he's not playing.

SPEAKER_03 52:56

No, if he doesn't work in Kansas City, I I think he's in trouble in terms of it. Yeah, I am for sure.

SPEAKER_07 53:00

And then like Justin, like like we always talk about, just throw the Travis Kelsey, he'll be wide open. Yep, he'll walk down the middle of the field around. Literally walk down the field.

SPEAKER_05 53:10

He just looks so slow.

SPEAKER_07 53:12

He's not fast, he's not elusive, he's just always he's just walked down the field.

SPEAKER_06 53:16

He's just always open and yeah, yeah, wide open, nobody within 15 yards.

SPEAKER_07 53:21

So he gets his opportunity, just just just throw it to throw it to throw it to homeboy. You'd be all right.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

That's the truth. Yep, that's the truth.

SPEAKER_06 53:30

And I and again, I think Kyler could probably push JJ McCartney out the way. Oh, you can't get a good one. He has a very good season.

SPEAKER_07 53:40

Come on. He can easily get it. He might be done. The Vikings aren't bad, bro. They got Aaron Jones still, I think. They got Ern Addison, which he had a down year after having a pretty decent rookie season.

SPEAKER_03 53:51

He got out of trouble. That's his problem. He keep getting in trouble off the field. That's where, you know, that's where his issue is.

SPEAKER_06 53:58

But then I mean, like, and I think their defense, because I think uh the year before last, they had a dominant defense. You know what I mean? So if they can not put so much pressure on the defense, because I think this year that's probably the problem. They just had so much pressure on because the offense couldn't do anything. But I think in Minnesota.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

If they have another year like that, they're gonna lose the locker room at that point. All that's that's what I'm saying.

Browns QB Logjam And Bad Planning

SPEAKER_06 54:21

I think if the offense, yeah, if the if if if you know if you get some good some decent offense play, sustain some drives, because even Jefferson was mad. You know what I mean? It's like they can sustain some drives and not put all the pressure on the defense. I think the defense will play better. They can get back to the form they was the year before last. The offense start clicking, like you said, you got Aaron Jones, you got a good tight end, offensive line they've reinvested in. Um, I mean, shoot, Justin Jefferson, that's really all you need, a receiver. But I mean, I think I think I mean that's the formula that uh O'Donnell's been playing with. I think I I think they'll be fine. Um what do you think Cleveland's doing? Uh I've been hearing rumors that I don't know. They're they're gonna give Watson another try.

SPEAKER_07 55:04

I'm thinking Cavaliers. My bag.

SPEAKER_06 55:06

I'm weak.

SPEAKER_07 55:07

Lock in, Jared. Yeah, yeah. I'm I'm tweaking hard.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

You might as well, though. I mean, he's on your books again. I mean, he's a quarterback in your organization. I mean, I think I don't think you have a a quarterback of the future per se. Um so I think it's it's fair game that they should have a shot at. All right, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the weird thing is I ain't heard nothing about Dylan Gabriel. That's the crazy thing to me. Like, I literally ain't heard nothing about him like since.

SPEAKER_06 55:36

Because, bro, we were saying this throughout the season that they were trying to push Dylan Gabriel on everybody, yeah. Trying to like paint this narrative that he was just he oh, he won the starting job. He's just better than Shador.

SPEAKER_07 55:49

It's just like he wasn't on any level, he's hasn't been playing.

SPEAKER_06 55:56

Like, we're watching these Cleveland games because and and this is not we're not seeing it.

SPEAKER_07 56:01

That that's that's a whole nother can of worms, though. Because I think Cleveland really smoked themselves. They they smoked both guys by drafting both guys.

SPEAKER_06 56:10

Yeah, no, we know like well, I mean, we know based on position and stuff like that. Like, okay, you're gonna play the third rounder before you play the fifth rounder.

SPEAKER_07 56:16

Yeah, you screw should do it by drafting Gabriel, then you screw Gabriel because I don't feel like he's had his fair shot really either. He hasn't, no, you know, you you really just screw both guys' careers by drafting the guys, and it's just stupid. I mean, but Cleveland's Cleveland's in some ways is turning into uh a version of us. They they're just smoking. Bro, they've always been this version, though. Like y'all are smoking layups, like why? Stop. Bruh. There's no reason why we should have even drafted Shadower. I'd rather him have not got drafted there and went somewhere else than you draft some a quarterback in the third round and in the fifth round. Stupid.

SPEAKER_06 56:56

When you already had three quarterbacks at that time, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 56:59

Like, it's crazy. Because they had what, Flacco, Deshaun? Then they just and they I think they still had Kenny Pickett.

SPEAKER_06 57:06

They traded for Kenny Pickett from the from Pittsburgh. I mean, from uh from the from the Eagles. So you had five, you ended up leaving the draft with five quarterbacks. Like, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_07 57:21

So And then not like three scrubs either. You got like five guys that have somewhat of an ego.

SPEAKER_06 57:27

Because I mean they all just all started in the league.

SPEAKER_07 57:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:31

They've all started. I don't think they've all been starting quarterbacks at one point of the time. I mean, I'm just saying, well, I'm talking about the guys that you had before you drafted the guys.

SPEAKER_03 57:39

Yeah, but I just don't think they had a plan. I honestly I think the coach had his mindset on going one direction. The GM had his mindset on going and doing something else. I don't think they were on the same page because there's no way you end up with five quarterbacks in your building.

SPEAKER_06 57:52

But that's what happens when you let ownership dictate what the front office does.

SPEAKER_03 57:57

Yeah, but we know Cleveland.

SPEAKER_06 57:58

And they say everybody says that about Cleveland. They always say that. They say, but you look, but then you look at like I I know you don't like me using y'all, but like Baltimore. Like you don't hear their owner, you don't see their owner. Like, and you see what they he just lets the football people run run the football, run the football. Like, and that's how you get y'all type of draft class. That's how you find, you know, I mean, you develop the way y'all develop, you know what I mean? And it's crazy that that used to be the Browns. Like, people, a lot of people forget that, but that used to be the Browns. Like we get to this point.

SPEAKER_03 58:34

It's simple, it's ownership.

SPEAKER_06 58:36

Yeah, so it's madness. Uh it's it's frustrating because like you look at Cleveland and they should be so much better. So I have no dog in the fight, but it frustrates me because like y'all should be competing way more than y'all are.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

If they get another draft class like the one they just had, I know, right? Just fine, boy.

SPEAKER_07 58:59

Don't they got three picks? They st they still won the draft last year. Yeah, they did. I'm gonna say, I think they still got they got like they have some nice picks this year, too, don't they?

SPEAKER_03 59:08

I think they got two this year, yeah. Two first.

SPEAKER_07 59:10

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

Still like they they drafted amazingly last year. Yeah, if they do that again, I'm be yeah, that yeah, they gonna be alright. They're gonna be alright, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:21

How you get Quinshawn, uh goddamn uh Shadur, Harold Fanner, and yeah, and if Harold Fannon, I forgot about him, and Swetchinger.

SPEAKER_03 59:30

And Sweshinger. Uh don't freak don't forget who else, though. You miss it. Mason Graham. Uh oh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:40

So they had they they had a draft. They had a draft, yeah. Crazy.

SPEAKER_05 59:46

Yeah.

unknown 59:47

Yeah.

Will Aaron Rodgers Return

SPEAKER_06 59:47

It did, it's crazy. It'd be like nothing to show. Nothing. You're not even. I mean, like you should, like, especially with the AFC North how it was this year. It didn't take much to compete this year. Nah. Like, you let uh mediocre subpar Steelers team win the division. Like, I don't know, man. It's it's it's it's frustrating. Um and I'm not I'm not a Cleveland fan, but it's just Cleveland frustrates me. Uh god, all the black quarterbacks, like they they do the right things. They just look at the draft, they be like, alright, these are no-brainers. And it's just like, what, why? Like, why y'all can't get out your own? Enough about Cleveland. That's enough Cleveland talking. Um standing in the NFC North though. Um, do y'all think Rogers come back? I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

I'm sick of it.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:48

I know you don't care. I just asked what you thought. I didn't say how you feel.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

Yeah, I mean, do I think he comes back? Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:57

Um he takes this long, he usually comes back. Usually people who ready to retire usually announce it pretty soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:03

That and I'll say this. I think he I don't even I think more so, if I had to guess for him, it's more so of like how realistic is it that if he comes back, he has a chance at a run. And if you look at the AFC right now, I'll be honest, there's they they would have a shot. You know what I mean? Like, they would have a shot. I ain't gonna say that I think they would win it, but they would have a shot. So I think he comes back, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:30

Based on the teams, the series of injury, series of injuries, you don't know where a lot of these quarterbacks are gonna be when they come back because they're scratching and calling to be back week one off of injury. They probably shouldn't be back to about week 10.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:43

Yep. Like and you got I mean, he got changes, you know, all the coaching changes, all the coordinating changes. They got an opportunity.

AJ Brown Trade Talk And Eagles Offense

SPEAKER_06 1:01:51

No, I'm with you. Uh I agree with that. Um, AJ Brown, man. They they've been talking about trading this man for about two years now. Uh realistic, I don't he hasn't gotten a new contract. Like, I mean, I don't think that the the Eagles owe him any guaranteed money. Uh does he get traded before the season during the draft or like before the trade deadline? I guess I should say before the trade deadline this year, does he get traded?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:22

He needs to, because they but they said he won't get traded until after June 1 now because of his contract, but they need to trade him. Um because I just think that if I'm gonna be real, Jalen Jared might have been on the stuff about Jalen Hurts, man. I mean, I'm just being real. Buddy, Buddy is if I'm a receiver, I won't want to play with him either. I'll just put it that way. Like, I don't I don't know I I like and I like I like him as like as far as what I've seen. Like he does win, and but I mean some of the other stuff, man, like if I'm a receiver, I I would want out myself. I because I don't think he can support having two receivers to begin with. I don't think Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:05

If I'm AJ Brown, I gotta go. Because like at this point, I mean, people always say, you know, winning, winning, winning. All right, cool, but when does you know performance, I mean, he's messing with AJ Brown's money. Yeah, big time.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:20

And like, and like usually performing equals winning. Like what people, you know, like when your best player performs well, you usually win that way.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:28

And it's like what I was saying about the Eagles for the past years, because like if people say, oh, Jalen Hurts won a Super Bowl, he's the cream of the crawford quarterback. Nah, like when you when you're watching the situation unfold and that team is having success, regardless of what people are doing, it ain't all on one guy. You know, Jalen Hurts can throw for zero yards in the second half, they'll win a game. If Lamar Jackson did that, it's raps. If Joe Burrow did that, it's raps. If you know a lot of these other guys did that, they have no chance. But, you know, the way the Eagles team was constructed, there was a chance. And that's what that's kind of stuff that was happening. Um, so I mean, at this point, I mean, Jalen Hurts is is turned AJ Brown into a BC level receiver. We know the real know that he's a a talent, but he don't have the numbers to back it up after these past two seasons. So, bro, you've damn near affected my money. Like, I'm no all pros. I don't know about Pro Bowls. I mean, Pro Bowl's a joke now. I don't know what they're doing with that. But I, you know, hey, I mean, winning, winning is cool, but winning don't pay the bills. And at this point, I mean, I don't even know what AJ Brown's next contract looks like. Because people can we know good, but if we look back at this production last year, it's not top of the market, and I think he's hitting 30.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:52

So you're you got two.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:53

And I think, and I think you and I think if I'm AJ Brown, wherever they trade me, uh I hate to say wherever, but you know, I go in, you know, I play out the rest of my contract, which I think is really only one year left one year left. I think this may be his last year on this contract. Maybe one more. But I go there, I wherever they trade me, I go there, I play, I treat it like a uh prove it deal. I go crazy, and then I get I re-up for this last contract. Because if nothing else, we know receivers receivers care about their legacy, if nothing else. Like, do they gotta have championships? Not really.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:36

Um, Varn, answer me this. Would you rather have AJ Brown on that Alec Pierce contract or Alec Pierce?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:49

That's that's kinda that's that's an unfair question. Only and I only say that because I know what AJ Brown has done. So I would say yes to AJ Brown. Only because I know exactly what I'm getting with AJ Brown. Like, Alec Pierce, he just came along these last two years. They've really been like standout. Because the two years before that, he was dropping a lot of balls. Like, he he just he could barely get on the field.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:14

Y'all wanted him out of the city. Let's be real. Y'all wanted him out of the city. Y'all trash Pierce. All the fans, I ain't heard not one person. Listen, how good about Pierce in his first two years?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:26

But when we were talking to receivers, I was saying the same thing. I was like, I was telling you, a lot of these guys we ain't got rid of, they just dropped a lot of balls. Like they was come like they were young. Don't get me wrong. They were young coming into the league. We had drafted a lot of receivers, a lot of them first, second, third round receivers that we drafted. I was like, they're just not playing up to the talent. You know what I mean? That where they was drafted, I should say. You know, as far as we're looking at draft order and rounds, they just wasn't. And like, like Mitchell, like Pierce was the same guy, like these guys can get on the field. Like, yeah, man, like they should be better. But it's like balls hitting them in their hand. Like, yeah, we can talk about quarterback play, but we're talking about drop balls. These mean catchable balls that didn't hit your hands that you didn't make a catch on. You know, not overthrown, not underthrownes, not balls that didn't hit the ground. We're talking about ones that didn't hit your hand, just catchable balls that you dropped. Like a lot of those guys, I like I'm not I'm not mad at us moving on from some some guys, but I think Pierce is the one that turned it around at some point. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:23

But I don't think I gave A. Demento a chance, but that's a whole nother story.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:26

Right, but but also with him too, like his opportunities when he was on the field.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:31

It was like I can't believe they played him like that on that touchdown with all the guys that have dropped the ball before they acted like he was the the antichrist for doing. I'm like, Bernard Taylor did this year.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:45

Or the year before. But you got somebody, but you look at somebody, but you're talking about somebody proven versus somebody who's trying to get on the field more.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:55

I I would expect that more from the from the guy who doesn't get the opportunities in my star player. Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:01

But then in the offseason, this is a teaching movie. But then in the but in the offseason, A.D. Mitchell's also the one that's talking, that's talking a lot of junk. Oh, I'm doing this, oh, I'm coming out, oh blah, blah, blah. I'm telling you what I what we what I hear from in the city. Yeah, yeah. In training camp, you know what I mean? He's he he's he's got the most mouth. Yeah, he got the most mouth about what he does, and then you get the writers start talking about how good of a cap he had. You know what I mean? Da-da-da-da-da. Like, and then when you get on the field in the game, it doesn't show the same way.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:36

But he, I mean, can we now this is me. I I I don't think the dude really got a legit chance. The few times that we saw him on the field where he got time, like the game that y'all crucified him for with dropping the ball, my man went off in that game. Like y'all forget how how he went off, and then we never seen him again on the field. Or y'all, I'm not, I don't forget I don't forget it.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:58

I I'm not forget what he what he's done. But see, I've remember, I don't just think about the the games he did, absolutely his best games. I'm actually looking like, what is there more? Do we have more games like that Rams game, or do we have more games where he struggled?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:13

That's fair. When is he actually playing? Like you're saying about such a small sample size for a dude who's 21 years old.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:22

Right. But when you got other guys that's fighting for positions on the field, when you you know what I mean? It's like, what are we doing? How many opportunities do we keep giving you versus trying out other guys? Okay, just who were the other guys though?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:37

That that right there. Huh? Who were the other guys? Who else was like that deserved to be on the field?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:44

We don't did Mitchell deserve to be on the field? I think if he deserved to be on the field, he would have been on the field more. But with us running majority two tight ends or three receivers, that's your opportunity is when Josh Downs is injured or taking a sub, or Alec Pierce if he if there's a sub. So when you're in on a sub, like that's you're the next guy you you gotta perform in those moments. So what did you were better than those guys, you would be starting.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:13

What did Downs or Pittman do? And I I don't agree with if you were better, you would be starting. And not when it comes to the state. No, but I'm just a different conversation.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:23

So you're so he's not better than Josh Downs. Josh Downs is probably our most productive receiver on our team. Really? Like consistently. If you look at consistency since he came into the league on our team, he's probably most consistent.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:40

So what about so so he didn't deserve any snaps that Downs nor Pittman were taking?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:46

Yeah. I think that when he got in, he didn't make them the best the most of his opportunities every time he was in. Who does it?

SPEAKER_07 1:10:54

I mean, that's fair to me because I I'm not watching the game, so I don't fucking know. Oh, let's go.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:59

But that's a that's another thing, too. The like we didn't have this these slew of receivers. You look at like Aston Doolin, he'd been around on the team forever. Like the other guys we had, like Doolin wasn't even getting a lot of clock. And when Doolin get in, he I think he plays decent enough to get more plays. I didn't think he played with the coach doing Aston Doolin. He's doing he been on. I'm talking about when when Mitchell was on the team. I'm talking about the past three or four years.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:26

I don't even I still don't know who the hell that is. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:31

That's because he never played. Aston Doolin? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:35

How you suppose his last name?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:36

I think it's like D. D. Mistaken.

Colts WR Debate And Daniel Jones Money

SPEAKER_07 1:11:41

I've never heard that name. That's crazy. I don't know who that cat is. But question for you, Justin. Would you trade a first rounder for AJ Brown right now?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:53

No.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:54

Really? Damn, I think that would almost put y'all over.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

Nah, because our offensive line is terrible.

unknown 1:12:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:03

Was it because of injury? Like, or was somebody missing?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:05

Or you talking about for the offensive line?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:08

Too many free agents this year. You know, they lost Linderball. So, you know, to the Rays.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:13

He's been with us, he's been with us since 2019.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:16

Damn, I've never heard of this nigga. That is crazy. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:24

The last two years he was hurt, but well, he won on our team in 23. So he was with us 19, 21, uh 20, 21, 22, 24, and 25.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:34

Okay, so he was undrafted out of Malone. I couldn't even tell you where the hell that is. He played three years at Malone, which is in Canton, Ohio. Never heard about it. That's wild. But shout out to him. Shout out to Ashton Doolin. I'm tapped in now. Because I know you don't got no cards. That's how you rate everything gold, bro. That's how I like know about guys. Like, I know he's asking you about uh Gould, trying to see because I got some nice.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:09

But even even goal, like he's he's another one. They was they were drafted, they were draft, I think they were drafted the same year, but like he don't get a lot of clock, but he's also a special teams guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:18

But even when he gets in, you know, he makes a couple catches here, there, whoop whoop. Like he just like, I don't know. Like, I think for where Mitchell, I think he was Mitchell was drafted in the second, like, to be a second round draft pick, I think you should make you should have been making way more noise.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:34

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:36

I'll put it to you this way. I seen enough from Mitchell in terms of his talent to know that, in my opinion, if given adequate opportunity, I think he could have produced at a higher level. Now, could be wrong, but the dude's he's stupid talented. I mean, we've seen it even when he went with the Jets a couple games where some of the stuff, and again, I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes and all that, but I think when you got a young player in the league, um, you just gotta be careful with with what you do because confidence is everything. Think about it, Jared. Remember they was talking about Jamar Chase when he came in and he had all them drops in the very started questioning him, and nah, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:12

Man, I was like, bro, we smoked another yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:16

I mean, but what'd it do?

SPEAKER_07 1:14:17

I think I'm just like, well, what if?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:19

Like, yeah, you know what I mean? You just took him some time, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:22

And then once he kind of got rolling, he ain't looked back since.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:24

And I'm not calling him Jamar Chase, but I am saying some reason.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:27

No, no, so in 2024, he had he got 55 targets. He played 17 games, he caught 23. In 2025, 74 target targets. He only caught 33. And this is who? This is this is Mitchell.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:46

Yeah, that's that's that's not good, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:49

Yeah, but I mean the question with that is how many of them are catchable balls? Just because you targeted don't mean it was a catchable ball.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:54

That's true, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:55

So I mean, the number that means nothing to me.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:00

I mean, we could we can look we can look up draws. Yeah, let's not. Yeah, these boys 1130 talking about goddamn adie Mitchell.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:09

Like, I I yeah, let's just I just like I said, I mean, for somebody like I said, who who watches all the games, like that's in my DNA list. Like, you know, I would love for him to to to be that guy. But it's just like we if nothing else, we need better receiver play on offense. So I'm not uh but yeah, so I mean if we're talking back to the original question, if we're talking Pierce over, I I would definitely take AJ Brown just because you know what you're gonna get. Um but who knows what Pierce can if he keeps growing. I mean, by the time he's 30, could he not? I mean, he they kind of play the same way, honestly. You know, they're deep outside the number catchers, like neither one of them really goes over the middle as far as like they're not running, you know, five five ins, five outs. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:05

Like they're doing post corners, I think AJ stretch the field. Because AJ, AJ, especially when he was younger, AJ was a uh quick slant uh kind of guy because he's so daggone fake, he would have run through some tackles. AJ, AJ, as far as to me, I mean, there's no question, he's a better receiver. I mean, your question is gonna be is does Pierce, who's never been a number one receiver, um can he become that that kind of receiver to make him worth 30, 40, whatever he got, you know, make him worth that money because they're gonna need him to be that guy. Because outside of I mean that's I mean again like enough.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:47

So I mean, we were I mean did we were we've been saying as a podcast, it was Pittman that we were saying the same thing about that. So it was uh the a number one that was worth the money and no, but Pittman always had great hands.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:07

So I mean I don't care who who you are, when you can catch the ball like Pittman, he'll always have a place. Is he a number one?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:12

Yeah, but we that's what we saying. I mean, just if we talk the number one conversation.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:16

No, but I mean he was the best receiver on their roster.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:19

Yeah, Alex me either, but I'm not I'm not gonna get into that conversation at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:24

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:25

I mean, we'll I mean we just I mean, what else can we do? I mean, we don't have a first round pick. You know, we we blew that on defense. Uh so I mean if some guys slip to the second round, I mean in the offseason we've done nothing but sign D-tackles for some reason.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:43

Like, I mean, I don't know. A ridiculous amount of D-tackles. Is that what you you're saying? You think they're gonna draft a receiver with this?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:51

I don't think you have a choice. Because right now, you got you got Pierce, you got Josh Downs, you got, like you said, go, doolin, you keep signing treadwheel, which he's never seen.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:08

Yeah, we're flying treadwill.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:10

Man, I thought he was gonna be a beast coming out of Ole Miss. Yeah, we keep getting we keep giving him money. I thought he was because I wanted him as well. He can barely make it off our practice squad. Man, I thought he was gonna be that boy. Because he was cold in college. I thought Treadwell, I thought he was gonna be cold.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:27

That's who I wanted to draft at one year, and we I can't remember who we picked, but but there's also a slew of free agent receivers out there right now. So if you get to the draft and the guys that you you've looked at, or you may have been had your eye on, you may won't, if they're not there, then I mean you gotta sign at least two receivers. At least. Luckily, our receivers don't get us hurt as much as our DB, so you gotta save a lot of roster spots for DBs if you're the Colts. But you at least need to grab two free agent receivers if you don't get decent draft decent ones, or ones that's coming out ready to produce.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:04

Coach quarterback situation is gonna be interesting, so I won't be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:09

I mean, we're in the same situation that Kansas City minus the good backup. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:15

Like a lot of the teams.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:18

That's what I'm saying. Like, I mean, there's a lot of teams.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:20

They're not in the same situation.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:22

That's what you mean. We both are starting quarterback as hurt.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:27

Yeah, but they have a backup who's starting to get back. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:30

I said minus, I said minus the I said minus the good backup.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:33

Right, but that's why they're not in the same situation because the coach don't have that.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:37

I mean, we're gonna see. Everybody's fighting to come back week one. So for some reason. But even we seen when Aaron Rodgers had this.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:44

No, so huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:45

You said what? I said that's that's wild, though. Like literally, everybody is they're talking about everybody, like, no matter what the city is.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:52

Every ACL chair is coming back week one.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:56

Yeah. We're gonna see.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:59

But you look at Aaron Rodgers, you look at a lot of these guys who come back off that injury, that first year, they're not the same.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:04

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:04

And his was And then you got uh Daniel Jones who had both of his legs hurt, so he had a cracked fibula. And a tourist leg.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:15

Yeah. You ready, week one? Got it. Yeah, that that that's wild to me. But we're gonna see.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:22

My expectations aren't high this year. Uh I'm um I'm saying that now. I'm not and I'm not pushing my chips to the center on anything right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:29

I'm not even gonna go.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:30

Nothing coats right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:31

I also wouldn't have gave him that kind of money, but that's a different conversation.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:35

I mean I'm I'm actually not mad at the money. It's only eight more mil than he got when he was with the Giants. So I'm not mad about that.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:43

I just be wanting, but that contract was.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:45

When you compare to like what quarterbacks has been getting, like we're at 60 million now, right now. You know what I mean? Like quarterbacks. So him being in the mid, I mean the the uh upper 40s, I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:01

Okay, here was my thing, and my bad, Jared. Let me say this real quick. My thing is this I would have much rather seen the Colts pay Kyler Murray a million and a half to come in for one year and see what he can do than pay Janiel Jones 40 plus million. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna be wrong.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:16

My only thing with that though is it's a two it's a two-year deal. And I think, and from I'm just thinking logically, even though we we have a woman as our owner, that those two years are tied to the front office, too. It's saying we're not gonna overcommit, we're not gonna give him this huge contract and overcommit to him if we don't get the results we want. So we could cut ties, we'll we'll give you$48 million for two years. We'll you know what I mean? And if if we're not where we need to be in those two years, then everybody's gone, then I can start over with a clean slate, new GM, new head coach. We could draft our quarterback because that's when we get our draft pick back, too. Like you we could do all it's it'll be a clean slate for the the uh the new regime. That's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:08

Yeah, I just didn't see the value in bringing him back. I mean, now I'm gonna say something crazy, but and it all goes back, Jared. I think me and you've said this time and time again on here, too. I'm just nothing on paying guys that like that kind of money that I just can't like I'd rather take a flyer. Like, real talk, I would have rather them go give Malik Willis$26 million a year. Uh, you know, then bring Daniel Jones back at that number. Like, I I'm just I I that's just me. Be real. Throw a dark and I would have brought in freaking Justin Fields for$10 million. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just being real. Like, because I just think that when you yeah, it may not be top of the market, but it's enough money where you're gonna have to make some decisions because Alec Pierce got paid, you're Gary, his contract's coming up, you're gonna have quite a bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:51

But you made the decisions. You moved on, you moved on from Pittman, you moved on from Zaire Franklin.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:56

Like, you some of these guys who've been pillars, like I'm just saying, like you you you did what you had to do, and you I mean it came at a cost too, you know what I mean, with with all the people that they lost in free agency, too.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:09

So yeah, but but again, like I'd rather that than a five-year, you know what I mean, and we're paying it 55. You know what I'm saying? So like and out of their out of her own mouth, you know, they believe what happened at the beginning of the season, they can sustain that minus the energy. I saw that. And I'm like, I I don't I don't either. Because like I was saying it all this year, like on the podcast. I was like, I'm not sold on it. Yeah, yeah. Like, look who we're playing. Look who we're playing. We beat we beat Denver on the on the penalty. That's probably the best team we played throughout that time. We lost to the Rams, which we could have run, but I mean, we just didn't do enough. You know what I mean? Like, those are the two toughest teams we played in that eight-game winning streak.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:55

My I guess, and for me is even when when we're talking about that, it's not, I'll say this. I won't say that I think they can sustain it. I think they can have a top 10 offense. Yes. My problem comes is when you talk about a quarterback and an offense that we've seen with a mobile quarterback, you you uh his success is gonna come on his ability to move, and I don't see that happening next year in an effective way. So really it's a one-year con you're giving him 48 just to come back and sign, and then you're paying him another 48 or whatever it was, you know, the second year to really see what they can do. Well, at that time, uh all your guys are getting older. So you're wasting a year of JT's prime, you're wasting a year of Q's prime. Like, so that's that's my thing. Like, I just think that you they're not in a place where they got this young team where you can just kind of be like, all right, we we can wait two years. I think they got a lot of guys who are probably closer to the end of their prime than the beginning. So you're gonna run into a problem where those timelines aren't gonna cross. And and I don't know, I mean, but I'll say this Jaguars seem to be getting their act together. The Texans seem to be, you know, kind of rolling. We're gonna see what CJ does. Even the Titans, like, they they might be getting their act together. I like Salah. Uh, I mean, you know what I mean? So I just don't know. And side note, I wouldn't mind seeing AJ Brown go back to Tennessee. Side note, to to go with Cam Ward. I would not mind that at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:17

Yeah. I don't know. The way that Tennessee thing went down, I don't I think it may be some bridges.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:24

Oh, I understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is not good. It would be nice. That's why I said I'm just saying, I think that like when we talk about there's a lot of places that can use him, but if we're talking about a place where I think he can get probably the most out of his money and get get the targets and all that kind of because can't ward to throw the ball around. You know what I mean? So I think that's a spec a place where he can work. But to your point, uh Jared, that you said earlier, I mean, I think the obvious spot would be like a Baltimore team like that, a team that's kind of more so ready to win with a veteran quarterback. I just don't see I don't see Baltimore giving up a one because they got too many, they got too many holes in their roster. Uh they they gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:03

I think you gotta, I think you got I think you do right by him and send him somewhere to where he can compete.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:07

I would hope so, but you know Eagles. I mean he makes good moves, so I I mean I can't.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:14

That's what I'm about to say. Philly tends to win the trades. Whenever they do move somebody, they do tend to win it. So wherever he they go, he they're gonna get the max in return for him. I agree. Yep. So I agree. Yeah, I'm I'm jealous, but nonetheless. Um I would take him here. Uh, we just ain't got nothing, we ain't got nothing to give, though. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:35

And yeah, I don't think it's cap-wise either. Not for the long term.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:40

Yeah, but I mean, like, I mean, for the remainder of his kind, even if it's for the two years or one, you know, one and a half, whatever. I'll take him for the one.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:49

But again, like here, we're not we're not throwing the, like you said, our quarterback situations. Like, I don't believe, you know what I mean? Like, we're in the best position for any receiver.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:58

Yeah, he ain't gonna be happy about that one either. Nah.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:00

Bring in some rookies, get them after made it for a year while Daniels is still recovering from this injury because while he's playing, he's still gonna be recovering from this injury.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:07

100%.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:08

Um, I'm not mad at the Patrick Mahomes trying because they're in a position to where, like, him trying is probably good enough to get them to the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:23

Only thing that I don't understand about them is I don't think they did enough to fix the offensive line. And if you got a quarterback coming back from a knee injury, you kind of need to protect him from himself and protect him, period, because he ran. He had to run a whole lot last year. I will say that.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:40

So there is this draft. They're saying there's a lot of old linemen.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:46

Yeah, but they're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:48

That you're gonna be able to get third, fourth round offensive linemen, especially tackles, that's gonna be decent. So uh Jerry, you you may, y'all may, y'all may fix your update. Able to fix your line. Put some at least.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:02

I don't want it. No. I don't want it. We need we need game changers. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:09

They don't need band-aid.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:10

The line will figure itself out, man. We need game changers, dog.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:14

And at the time, the line wasn't terrible last year for Cincinnati. It wasn't bad at all.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:18

Yeah, especially, which was crazy, especially Flacco. The line was holding up like a mug.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:26

I said Flacco was buying buying that old line uh dinner or something, Jerry, because they was protecting him. Something.

Draft Needs Bengals And Ravens

SPEAKER_07 1:28:33

We just need some game changers, man. We need some guys that are going to come in and have an impact on the game. Just anybody. And then that's why people are like, people are like, because we we've been meeting with uh Jeremiah Love, and people was like, no way, the Bengals need defense. I'm at the where the point I'm at, I'm like, hey, look, if we cannot improve our defense with rounds two through five, we smoke regardless of who we take with that first round pick. So I say we take the best guy available, we take somebody that we know can make a difference. Jeremiah Love is gonna be a Bijan. He's gonna be a Jameer. Not saying game style, but as far as impact. You know what I'm saying? He's gonna be an impact player. If he's there at 10, I'm all cool with you taking him. Like I said, if we we could have the best first round defensive, but if we smoked rounds two through five again, and we can't get any production from those picks, it don't matter who we take with the first round pick anyway. So we we have to win this draft. So if we want to if we want to go absolute impact player round one and go offense and get us a long-term running back, I'm totally with it. We gotta win rounds two through five. We gotta get production in those rounds, or none of it's gonna matter. So I'm cool with it. But people's like, oh no. They need I understand we need defense, but we need a lot of defense. One pick ain't gonna change it. So if we go absolute dog first round offensive player, I'm cool with that. Because we need more. We're gonna need more defensive pick. Even if that's the only offensive choice we make, so be it. And y'all still got a lot of defense.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:12

Well, we picked up we picked up uh Taylor Britt. That makes you happy.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:16

That's crazy, bro. But still, and it but it's a one it's a one-year deal. That goes to show that he ain't no good. I'm just saying, like I mean, I don't even understand, you know, guys. That that that that's a sh that's a prove it or we just loaded up on DBs, we got to.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:34

We lose, we lose three to four DBs every season.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:41

And then you know, the only reason they did they signed Cam Taylor Britt is because of the the defensive coordinator, Lou knowing. Yeah. That's the only reason uh uh oh old boy is there too, the linebacker.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:50

Because he's so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:51

He's trash, horrible. Yeah, you know, and that's I know you're talking about, but yeah. I can't even think of his name. I was so glad he left. Then he went out to LA and got cut, not LA, but the Rams, got cut there. Um, and then he ended up with y'all because on the strength of the defensive coordinator. But you know, Cam Taylor Brig got a one-year contract. That's they don't believe we don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:12

I mean, we I don't know if Ward is gonna play this year. He may retire. He might retire.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:19

So like Buckner, too.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:24

Yeah, because he's having uh whatchicall problems. Uh back problems. Neck yeah, back, yeah, upper. Yeah, it was upper. It's neck, but it's like at like back, like that middle, like right there in that earth. But yeah, he might be done too. So that maybe while we sign him five defensive tackles. Maybe they know something that we don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:42

Five defensive tackles is crazy. Bro, I'm not exaggerating. In the first and second rounds of the draft in the last since Jamar Chase, I want to say we've taken like at least three or four of them, and we still need defensive tackles. We're literally drafting the same positions that we we've been needing since Jamar Chase, bro. Since the 2021 draft, we've we're we're picking the same positions and still need them. We still need DBs, we still need defensive linemen, we still need linebackers.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:12

So what do you think, Justin, about uh what do y'all need, man? You ain't you You said y'all got a lot of holes. What what do you what do you think y'all first round pick should be? Andrew Brown.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:22

First round pick is gonna it's gonna be uh offensive lineman more than likely. Yeah, probably. It's gonna be the big boy out of Penn State if he's there. Iona or whatever. Uh the guard.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:32

What uh what pick y'all got?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:34

14.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:35

Mmm, that's decent.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:36

That's decent. Yeah, simple. Yeah, I mean, they gotta fix the O line. I mean, that's probably the biggest, the biggest thing is the O-line, but well, I take that back. It's O-line and they still gotta fix the defense. Um, like I got y'all heard me last year. I don't know how the heck or why they gave Mark Andrews three more years with all that money. I don't know why they still have Marlon Humphrey. Marlon Humphrey should have, if anything, he sh they should have made him make that transition like um to safety. Jalen Ramsey made up to safety. That's the only way that I saw value in Marlon Humphrey because he's just not what he was when he came in the league. But Baltimore is Baltimore. Now the one thing I will say is Jesse Mentor does have a uh schematically, he he does a good job of putting guys in position. Uh so we'll see if that what that pass rush looks like. Because uh, I mean, Owe went there and, you know, he had seven and a half sacks and three sacks in the playoffs and the force fumble, all this other stuff with Jesse Mentor and had, you know, he had one year of production in Baltimore, you know. So it's like uh scheme and fit and all that stuff is gonna matter. So we'll see. Because they got a couple linebackers they gotta have developed too, but beyond as with you burn, they got a lot of holes on that roster. I don't I told you, I hate I hate when every year they come in acting like Baltimore has this all-star roster and they don't.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:53

They refuse to get a number one receiver, too, man. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:56

That but that's why, Jerry, when you ask that, I know they they're not trading a one for Brown. So that's why I'm not even gonna entertain it. Like it's not, it's it's not gonna happen. I I think before they do that, uh Jerry Rice might come back. Uh you know, that's that's what Baltimore is. You know what I mean? Like that's that's Baltimore. Jerry Rice is wild. Let me just say it. But that's Baltimore. Y'all know my thing with Baltimore. You can at least get Odell.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:23

Yeah, Calvin, Calvin Johnson. So I'm trying to think like that. Can we can we get a little closer?

SPEAKER_05 1:34:31

Can it even be a Raven? Can we just uh D Hop still there or where is he at? Uh he's a free agent. Ah, fuck.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:37

But you gotta think like D Hop's a free agent. So Tyreek Hill's a free agent. Like, there's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:44

Tyreek ain't playing this year.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:45

Uh yeah, but I'm just saying, like, there's a lot of guys out there.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

Yeah, I mean, Diggs, there's a lot of receivers. Diggs is still out there, like I said, I said digs, digs will work, you know what I mean, as far as a possession guy 14. You know what I mean? Because there's teams that still can use his services. But yeah, Baltimore, I just don't to your point, I don't I don't know what it is about receivers that they refuse to really invest and get somebody. Because, you know, I told y'all last year, Zay Flowers ain't a number one. He's a gadget guy. I mean, you can be productive in the right system, but that's not that's not who I can throw out there and say go win. You know what I mean? So we'll see. We'll see. Because the room rumor is at 14, potentially, potentially, well, every everything I've saw said is gonna, if big boy from Penn State there at guard, they're gonna take him. But then I said the Raven move would be they would take uh what's his name? Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end out of Oregon. They that's a raven move right there. They go because you uh I don't even think people realize they only got one tight end on the roster now, which is Mark Andrews. Or no, no, no. Because they lost Char No, Likely's gone. He's in New York. The Giants. Yeah, he's with the Giants. We lost Charlie Kollar, who's our our he was our blocking tight end. He's with uh the Chargers now. So they don't have no, they don't really have no tight ends on the roster. So that's not a strength anymore. Um so we'll see what they do. But they better fix the offensive line. That's all I'm gonna say. They better find a way to fix the offensive line, otherwise it's not gonna matter.

Boxing Schedule And Wilder Rumors

SPEAKER_07 1:36:19

Fair enough. Nope. Alright, I'll be right back. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:50

But I just switched to the It's like every time I switch every time I switch things, it's like the audio eventually goes up. Hey. I guess from the postman, I see you posted that in the in the uh on the page. Like it's gonna be a good fight.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:19

Was it in uh July? June?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:22

Uh something like that, yeah. I think it was in June. A couple months at the time, but yeah. Look, that that's that's one of the few kind of looking forward to seeing.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:31

What else we got coming up?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:34

Uh, you got um anyway, him and Nakatani fight at the beginning of May. Uh problem is. I usually try to have it pulled up before I problem is that one is I think like May 2nd, but it's always uh like over in Japan or whatnot. So it's always like a 5 a.m. fight. So most people don't see it. You know, most people in the States don't see it. So um, but that that might be a real good fight. That that one right there might be a real good fight. Supposedly Xander Zayez and Boutines are going to end up fighting, and if that fight, if they end up fighting, that's another one that it might be one of your better fights on the year. Um that's really about it, man. I mean, um no, no, no. I take that back. David Benavidez fights too, but he's on the same card as Nakatanian anyway. But Benavidez does fight on May 2nd as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:28

What's going on this weekend? Uh Tyson Fury fights this weekend.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:35

He's a clown. You'll never hear me talk, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:39

He's I'm just looking, I'm just looking currently at the end. I'll say this.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:45

Like this past weekend.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:46

I didn't know if it was anybody else we need to look forward to. That was the only name I can.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:50

Like Wilder fight fault, but like I I've been telling people, like, he's punch drunk, man. Like he's not like he he pretty like to me, he really needs to retire. Because if he gets in there with anybody with any skill, he's gonna get hurt. I mean, he's just he's punch drunk at this point. But I mean, he ended up winning. Uh, but he can't like Wilder can't box, man. He just catches people with these awkward shots and he has the power. That's why he gets beat up by certain people. Uh, but it is interesting. Supposedly, he has some truth that I think once he said he retires from boxing, he's gonna speak out about it regarding that whole Tyson Fury fight. That trilogy. Yeah, so I'm curious to see what it is he's gonna bring in.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:30

Yeah, I did hear about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:31

Yeah, it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:33

Some something's coming out, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:35

Uh-huh. So I'll be curious to see how supposedly some rumors are that he's he's gonna uh he he made some claims that uh Fury and that camp cheated. Um and I don't I don't know how, you know what I mean, but we'll see. That that's probably the most interesting thing about Wilder. Uh David Morrell, he's good. He fights too. I think his is coming up uh April, sometime in April. Um, but it's not, man, it's not a whole lot of good boxing matches so far this year, to be honest with you. Tank is dealing with uh out of the ring stuff. Uh so he that brother's probably going back to jail. Uh brother. Yeah, I mean, you got the Devin Haney's, the Ryan Garcias, all them guys, but none of them got fights that I that have been inked uh thus far. Unfortunately, boxing has become such a one of those sports right now. It seems like everybody has gotten away from fighting like three, four times a year to you'll be lucky to see them twice. Which which sucks for anybody who enjoys watching boxing because you just don't you don't see good enough uh fighting anymore.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:39

Um these guys be like out there, and it's like this is just the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:45

That's what they really should be taking advantage of. Taking advantage of taking advantage of that time where you don't have the basketball and football and all that stuff going on. I mean, no offense to baseball, but it's it's not watched as much.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:57

Uh so therefore, I mean I think But even if you drop even if you drop in three months, three good fights, you know what I mean? Like three, you know, really good cards, then you're still good.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:09

Yeah, no, I think the last fight that was supposed to happen was uh I think Devin Haney and Rolly Romero, but something happened and that one fell through too. So which is honestly just seems to be typical boxing nowadays. So that's I think that's why it's hard for most people to get any interest in the sport. It's just they don't put together good enough fight cards anymore.

Reds Hot Start And Baseball Grind

SPEAKER_06 1:41:30

Makes sense, man. So any final starts for you, Jared, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:35

Uh nah, man. Reds is eight and three, which is crazy. So I'm I'm geeked about that. Um, we were down two nothing going to the bottom of going into the ninth inning against Miami. We was able to squeak that out. I think six to three, seven to three, so an extra. So hey, I'm trying to I'm I'm gonna hold on as long as possible, but so we'll we'll see where that goes. So I'm excited about that. Other than that, yo.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:01

Quick question with that. Um, so with that, is that a change as far as like the eight three start? Is it roster? They have a better roster this year, or is it just one of those where they're just kind of off to a better start? So right now they're kind of on the heater, but they're just they're just off to a better start now.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:16

I mean, we still can't beat the pirates. If we were to play the uh Brewers, we we can't beat the Brewers. Uh, we wouldn't be able to beat the Dodgers at all. We probably get swept by them. We probably get swept by the Mets. So I think it's just it's a it's a mixture of like schedule and just I mean, we've been bad so long, like, you know. So nah, it this is definitely isn't telling. I mean, you know, they they play every night. So this this this time next week, we could very well be eight and nine. You know what I'm saying? So nah, I I'm definitely not looking too far into it. It's it's just it it just is what it is. It there's nothing that's really pointing to it. We're getting really good pitching, which is alright. But then again, we haven't really played any bats that have just you know what I'm saying, been going crazy. So yeah, it's just one of them things. I ain't thinking too much into it yet. Okay, but we have won a lot of games. We have won a lot of games this year that we lost a lot of last year. We lost a lot of close games last year, and we're winning those. So that's a bright side, but I'm still not, I'm not sold or anything. Not even halfway to being sold. So it's it's a lot of baseball left.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:24

Okay, that's fair.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:27

Almost too much baseball, but yeah, that's a whole nother conversation. They play every day, and it's good for me because every day I have something to look forward to. I think they have like two off days a month, two or three off days a month. Maybe four off days, but they they play every day. So from from from tonight until the middle of September. October. I'll say, yeah, almost October. Yeah. Every day.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:52

So uh side note, real quick, I don't know if y'all saw it. I can't know exactly when the interview took place, but I thought it was interesting. Uh Bo Jackson was asked which was harder, and he said, baseball, without a doubt, it's not even close. Way harder than football. I would based upon exactly what you just said. He said they don't people don't realize you have no days off.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:14

There ain't no like going back to the lab. Like there ain't no practice.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:18

They play every day. Every day. Yeah, I mean, he talked about that, and dude couldn't believe it. He was like, over football, it's like it's not even close.

New NFL Jerseys And Final Wrap

SPEAKER_07 1:44:26

Granted, it's lit because they get to like be in cities for because like, so for example, the Reds, they ended their homestand on uh let me see, what's today? Today is Tuesday. So they've been gone since I think they ended a series on last Tuesday. So they went to Texas. They played Thursday, Friday, they play Friday, Saturday, and Sunday in Texas. And then they're playing in Miami now. They're playing uh Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday in Miami, and then they'll be back. So they've just been gone for a whole week. So, I mean, it's yeah, I would have fun with it, but yeah, they play every day, every single solitary day. So that's it, and that's all. Oh, one more thing. I'm defunding the the new Atlanta Falcons jerseys. Those are boo-boo. I hate them.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:22

I don't know. Okay, real quick, then what about Tennessee's new ones? I hate those too. Okay, cool. All right, cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:31

I haven't really liked it.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:32

Tennessee, the Tennessee boys, the original ones was code.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:34

These are I haven't I haven't liked any of the new jerseys. I feel like they're trying to be too simple with them. Like I hate Arizona Cardinals' new jerseys. They don't even have any.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:43

The Denver, Denver jerseys.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:47

I don't really, I didn't necessarily hate theirs, but but but I hate I hate that Tennessee has removed Navy Blue. That Navy blue with that baby blue was fire.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:56

Oh yeah. Like in the AJ.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:57

Even if they'd have just made it like with the hits of the red in there, like Yeah, if they'd have just made the nut, they should have kept that baby. That that baby blue, navy blue with that red was elite.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:08

How do I how do I get that job to be able to design some jerseys? Because I'm I'm agreeing with you. I mean, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:17

That would probably be a dream job for me, like as far as like my graphic design mentality. They have to do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:23

They just have plain, like how do you design a jersey with plain pants? I think only thing Arizona Cardinals have on their pants is a Nike sign. Literally. And their jerseys were fire. I like Arizona Cardinals' jerseys. Yeah, but yeah, those.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:38

I like the black ones.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:39

Those are about to say the black ones, yeah. The black ones are fire. Yeah, those are the things. But they've been the same logo, and like they kind of remind me of the Colts too. Like, it just had a lot of people.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:48

Oh, the Texas. That was another team that was kind of like, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:52

Yeah, they did too much. Well, here's the here's the crazy thing, and it's it's fake, but with all this stuff that you see with people with AI and how they redo stadiums and jerseys and all that, it's like y'all can't come up with no better ideas. This Joker then gave y'all some good ideas with you know with with what they just put out, and I know y'all see it. Man, take a hint off of some of what they done done, because I didn't seen some people do redo the jerk uh jerseys and stadiums. I'm like, hey, that's cold blooded if they were to do it. Be cold blooded. So yeah. Yep. No, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:26

All right, man. Well, we've given y'all an hour and 47 minutes.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:30

Yeah, I gotta.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:32

First show back in a month. Appreciate y'all joining us, man. Right on, Justin. Appreciate you jumping in, Jared. We will see y'all next week, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:43

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:43

As we get ready for the NBA playoffs, man. And oh, yeah, by the way, we will be doing a co draft show with Crosswater Sports this year. Looking forward to that. NFL draft. So stay tuned. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Peace out. Bye.