Exogenesis: The Human Project

Where does humanity spring from? Dare to journey with us, Joe Landry and Laurie Oldford, as we unravel the mystery of our origins. We unfold the curtain on the Big Bang theory, evolution, and the tantalizing prospect of an ancient alien theory. From exploring the intricacies of our DNA to the enigmatic Biblical accounts, we present a balanced debate, where faith meets science and mythology intertwines with history.

Dive into the provocative world of Sumerian mythology, and the biblical account of Adam’s creation. Find yourself engrossed in our discussions on the possible interpretations of Yahweh as a 'flesh-and-blood' entity and its implications. Accompany us as we probe into the advances of human DNA manipulation, and its potential link to the Rh-negative blood type. As we dissect the Genesis creation story, we challenge the conventional belief of God as a spirit and propose the disruptive hypothesis of DNA being the proof of our creation.

Our exploration doesn't end there. Prepare to question the comfort of known truths as we shed light on the mystery of human chromosomes and our genetic makeup. Could there have been an unknown, intelligent force manipulating our genes, pushing us towards our current form much faster than natural selection alone? Could we be the product of a grand design, our intellect being a gift from a higher, possibly extraterrestrial entity? Join us in this intellectual adventure, as we challenge conventional beliefs and uncover mysteries of human origins. Let's see if we can decode the enigma that is humanity, together.

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Joe: 1:01

Hello everybody and welcome to Alien Talk Podcast. This is where we discuss all things about aliens and UFOs and where we always push the limits of our understanding. We are your host, Joe Landry and Laurie Oldford here again to bring you a fascinating show out across the worldwide web. As we continue exploring the manifold topics surrounding the idea of extraterrestrial beings, the mystery of UFO encounters, the studies of paranormal occurrences and other perplexing enigmas that seem to regularly occur in this world of ours, we're very glad to have you here with us for yet another great discussion.

Joe: 1:34

This time we examine our species, its origin, its purpose and even its possible destiny, and we ask did we evolve through natural selection to become what we are now? Was it all just through a long process of mutations that humans have become so intricately, amazingly different in so many ways, from the structure of our brains, our intellect and our consciousness, to all that we have built and accomplished in this world of ours? Or were we made here by some design, which, of course, simplifies that there is a designer, one that willed us into existence? It's really an age old question, isn't it, ari? How did we get here? Why are we here and, perhaps most importantly, who put us here?

Laurie: 2:22

Yeah, that's right, Joe. There are definitely deep and profound questions that have really been an obsession with the human race since well, I guess since language has been around, since we've been able to communicate with one another about what's on our minds, which has been a really long time. So we are indeed special creatures and we are unique from any other, and if it seems that we simply do not belong to this world, with the risk of the animal species that are here, well, it's because we don't. So in some way, the Bible has already provided us with part of the answer by the verse that proclaims let us make man in our image and after our likeness. So you noticed the plurality there. Could the missing link that connects us as a species with our inhabited Earth actually be extraterrestrial DNA?

Joe: 3:25

And perhaps we are a product of both evolution and creation. That really is a fundamental aspect of the ancient alien theory. Right, it was a possible extraterrestrial intercession that played a very big part in our development of the species here on Earth. So we have this part of the scripture, Genesis 1:26, in which God is referring to himself as us, and are but to infer that this passage actually means an alien race is involved.

Joe: 3:55

Well, that doesn't line up at all with the major world religions. Most theologians would merely postulate that this is a self illusion to the Trinity, not something polytheistic and certainly not something from another planet, and that the human genome is really one of the glorious details of intelligent design. In human cells there are 46 chromosomes with about 3 billion pairs of the four bases adenine, cytosine, thymine and guanine that make up the nucleotides of DNA and RNA, which are basically responsible for the polypeptides. These are amino acid sequences and that is what comprises the protein molecules of any given organism. So cats have cat DNA, humans have human DNA and any alien life form would, of course, have alien DNA.

Laurie: 4:50

Yeah, that's right, and we have to remember that when, in a particular species, 98% of the DNA is the same for each organism. So, to qualify the meaning of having likeness to a creator, it means to be sharing in the same genome. So, you have God, whether Trinity or not, he's declaring as the opus of creation, and we are said to be made in his image and likeness. While the exegesis of this has been subject to debate, it can't be overlooked that this is said in Genesis 1:26, at the time when God is creating the body of Adam and saying nothing abstract like meaning the image and likeness with his soul. So why would we not think that saying image and likeness doesn't mean physical image? Otherwise, wouldn't it clarify if it meant something different. So how did we come to be?

Laurie: 5:50

The natural selection is a concept that was created and put out there by Charles Darwin, and this was like close to 200 years ago and this was to explain that the characteristic variations with all the species. They give rise to the mutations that take place over long periods of time, and thus this is where we get the evolution they evolve. It is a sound and valid scientific model and one that is now, it's, widely accepted among scholars, both secular ones as well as some religious ones, and I think it is important to note that. So, there are many scientists out there who are Christians and Muslims and Jewish, who live by their faiths, yet some of them still accept the natural selection is the mechanism by which there is so much diversity of life on Earth.

Joe: 6:48

Right.

Joe: 6:48

And also, there are many who accept the premise of the Big Bang Theory, with the universe being 14.5 billion years old and our planet being 4.5 billion years old, contrary to the young Earth model that tries to reconcile a shorter timeline to be more congruent with the Biblical chronology.

Joe: 7:07

So I mean you can't really deny that there is any extraordinary amount of evidence to support the evolutionary model for everything. There's a ton of evidence that supports it and we actually observe this on a smaller scale with the ability of a species to adapt to their environments and with their characteristics or traits in ways that determine whether or not they survive to have offspring that carry on those traits. The real problem comes down to, I think, to humans having evolved and benefited from natural selection I mean infinitely more than any other species on planet earth. We not only can survive virtually any type of environment here, but we've been able to modify it and change it and control its elements to suit not only our survival but also our comfort and our convenience. I mean we have done this through agriculture, urbanization, government law, religion, language and social organization. Our brains have given us a tremendous capacity to master our world by building all the amazing tools and machines and structures that we have for a myriad of purposes at uses here.

Laurie: 8:17

Yeah, and no others in the animal kingdom have even come close, not even remotely close, to this. Not only do we possess intellect and reasoning, but also conscience and intuition. So, what is even more remarkable is that this advancement only seemed to get kicked off into high gear about 10,000 to 12,000 years ago, maybe even later than that. Before that, our species had changed little. In over 250,000 years, something seems to be to have intervened somehow, and that's still very much unknown, but it gave us the capability to adapt to environments such that we not only thrive in them, but we are, we master them.

Laurie: 9:02

So when we read in the Bible that that verse let us make man in our image, is the hour the OUR, is that referring to the members of an alien race that is responsible for this? And the answer, I believe, is yes. I believe there really was. Now there were other ominids, of which there were humanoid species, like the Homo erectus, the Homo bilus and the Homo neanderthalis, but we, the Homo sapiens, out-survived them all by a long shot, and the way we did this this outperforming all the other species on the evolutionary timeline was an incredible leap in making human beings intelligent, sentient and conscious creatures. So this raises the question did some outside force get directly involved with us and create us into becoming what we are now? And again, I would have to say yes, it seems very likely and probable. So then, what would be considered as God's DNA?

Joe: 10:13

So the suggestion that the all-powerful and all-present God is comprised of organic material simply doesn't add up. God is not only supposed to be spirit, but he is also supposed to be completely transcendent. He exists outside the bonds of the laws that govern the universe. All the reawakens of the world have God creating us, but at the same time not as being a physical entity in the way that we are, god cannot be made of something that would mean he is constricted to the laws of nature and the laws of physics, just as we are. So how does any of this pertain to that common theological view of everything being created from nothing? How does God possibly have DNA, which is a something? It's not a nothing, it's a something.

Laurie: 10:59

Again, joe. Let's just look at what the scriptures give us. We are constantly finding this in all the translations of the Genesis account, as well as in the original Hebrew text. Are these translated words about God creating us in his slash, their image and, after his slash, their likeness? Otherwise, why aren't we created as spirit? Now, of course, it can be said that we do have a spirit as well, which is consciousness. But many believe we do, and but we definitely have body. That you know that. That much is very true. And therefore, if we are of organic flesh and blood, then why wouldn't we think that he slash day, from whose image we are made, isn't the exact same? It even has, in Genesis two seven, that God breathing into Adam's nostrils to give him the breath of life. So there's a close association and meaning between the word spirit and breath. But again we have what seems to be one creature blowing air into the nose of another creature. It can't be put more plain and simple.

Joe: 12:14

I think the exegesis of this is to the point, and to interpret image and likeness any other way would require us to alter our understanding of the lexicon Meaning. If he did not really make us in his image and likeness, as we comprehend those words to mean, then the vocabulary of the Bible is inaccurate and even meaningless, since the words don't properly convey the idea behind them. And even if it's not a correct transliteration of these words, there at least would have to be some consistency in the language usage to refer to a similarity. If God is spirit and not a physical body at all, then we cannot infer that there is any similarity with us when he speaks about making us especially want to say he's made out of nothingness and we're made out of somethingness.

Laurie: 13:06

True. Now evolutionists will say that we descended from the primates through natural selection, and you know there was no type of divine intervention that occurred at all. Well, I think that statement falls short of the truth just as much as creationists claiming well, we are not descended from primates, in the very least, and we are singularly created by a divine hand. But to that I would ask if we really are uniquely made in God's image, then why do we have 99% of the DNA of chimpanzees? I mean, this is a biological fact, a well-proven fact. However, the Bible, you know, I mean that has us being formed from dust mixed with clay. Now, when we go to the ancient alien theory, we do find a hypothesis proposed that incorporates both evolution and creation. And in the Sumerian mythology, the God Inky declares a being already exists. Let us put our mark upon it, let us create a primitive worker so that we might have our ease. This is where I believe they are. Alien gods created the first species of early humans, possibly from the genome of the primate, such as homo erectus, or perhaps chromagnon man, strong and robust, able to perform the difficulties of slave labor. It wasn't until an upgrade was needed that we became self aware. You know things known now as the Homo sapiens thinking man.

Laurie: 14:38

So in his book Jeans, giants, monsters and Men, author Joseph Farrell writes about how translations of ancient Mesopotamian texts explain the creation of humans, in an excerpt of one passage that reads as follows and keep in mind that this is from almost 3000 years ago they sent for mommy MA-MI, so this is probably where we got the word mom or mommy from.

Laurie: 15:07

But anyway, it goes on to say the creator of life and told her you are the biological expert, the creatures of mankind, we want you to create a Lu-Lu so that he said, they may undertake the task assigned to them by in low, and so received a toil of the Lord links.

Laurie: 15:26

So Farrell is saying here that mankind comes forth as two things out of this a creature that's invented specifically to be a laborer, a slave, and also as a creature that is a hybrid of the gods, the Lord links and a pre existing hominid. And so in another passage it says and from his blood the lady of creation mixed the cultures. After she did this, she notified the Anunnaki Lords and the Lord links, possibly the Gigi or other Anunnaki, and provided their sperm for the life cultures. The inky then says that the Lord links, and man will be hybridized in the culture. And he said let the hybrid receive spirit, consciousness from the Lord links flesh, and then let's not forget that living man will have a spirit. And Farrell then explains that the Anunnaki refer to clay being mixed with spittle, which may actually be the semen, and from there it was incubated in 14 goddesses for conception of the Adamu. Wow, right.

Joe: 16:38

Yeah, so we take into consideration what Sumerian mythology says, and the reason we go to the Sumerians is that they are, as far as archaeology can determine, the first people to become organized as a civilization, and what they talk about is the Adamu, that is, man being created in the Edan. And we also look at what the Bible says about Adam, again meaning man being created in Eden, and the sources we see this image making is on behalf of Elohim, that is, God as plural, just as the Anunnaki are plural, and that is in the form of male and female. So, while hermeneutics can be used to explain this as metaphorical, you can help us see this straightforward illustration being presented here they are made flesh and blood because our creator in this context, creators are also flesh and blood. To interpret it any other way is what has led so many people down the rabbit hole of subjective criticism, through which apologetics can only offer the acceptance of something that is entirely non-physical, creating something that is entirely physical, and this clearly presents a problem to logical thinking.

Laurie: 18:27

Well, it could be that the correct answer comes from the interpretation that stands out the most, that being the straight and direct meaning. Look, there is verse after verse describing Yahweh, the Hebrew God. He's eating, he's drinking, he's resting and walking, which means that he must have been a flesh and blood being. And proponents of creationism will still argue against this because of the hold our religious indoctrination has on our minds. So, you know as well as I do the power of this, and there is a fear of the unknown and the unseen, and we are taught that through faith we can overcome this fear and secure our places in the afterlife. So we stick to this belief, even when it is contradicted by tangible, obvious and well-grounded evidence. If it says Yahweh, ate, drank, walked and descended within a cloud or a chariot of fire, then maybe that is exactly what it means, maybe literally.

Joe: 19:26

Yeah, it may be just that that the Biblical text should just be taken at face value, which means that we have flesh and blood creators in the plural, who have incredible abilities.

Laurie: 19:37

of course, yeah, remember, humans have been toying around now with DNA for a long time. We have learned how to manipulate genetics so as to make our own species of animals that assist us with easing our burdens in this life we are living, on this planet. I mean, we made it a horse and donkey to create a mule. We've created the liger, the male lion, with a female tiger, the top Igon, which is the male tiger, with a lioness, horse and zebra, camels, llamas, etc. We also created hundreds of species of cats and dogs. Universities like Texas A&M, for example, have cloned cows, etc. We have even learned to grow human livers and sheep and pigs because of our knowledge of inserting our DNA into animal cells. If we ourselves are able to carry out genetic manipulation, the idea that an advanced alien civilization is able to do it as well should not seem too surprising.

Joe: 20:40

Now we've talked before about the Rh- negative blood. When blood specimens from some people were studied, it was discovered that the Rhesus- D antigen was not present. This led to the factor in what classification called the Rhesus factor, that later just became the Rh factor. Eventually, it was found that most people were Rh positive, meaning the Rh- D antigen is present, but there were some less than 50%, according to the American Medical Association in which the antigen is not present, and those people are Rh negative. This blood type is not compatible with any person that is Rh positive. This shouldn't be the case in terms of normal evolution. We are all the same species. All of our blood should be compatible with one another. We see this with transfusions. That is not so simple, as this Rh- D antigen can cause some real problems.

Laurie: 21:39

Right. What is unusual about Rh- negative blood is that the gene for it is surprisingly common. It is rare, but not that rare. It is potentially very harmful, such as when a woman whose blood is Rh- negative is pregnant with a child that is Rh- positive. The mother's immune system creates antibodies that fight the Rh positive blood. Her blood essentially becomes toxic to the child. To some people, this looks like the mother's blood is rejecting the baby, which raises the question if that is because of incompatibility based on the mother and child being of different species. As astounding that seems. Most scientists conclude it is most likely a random mutation, yet one that has persisted.

Joe: 22:28

So the question is why would evolution do this to only one species? Scientists still don't know and are puzzled by it. It seems like something miraculously happened to our genome and it seems that it can be traced, at least to some degree, to the mitochondrial DNA. This is different from nuclear DNA, which comes from both parents. Mitochondrial DNA is only passed on from the mother to the offspring. In an article by a new scientist titled Found closest link to Eve, who is our universal ancestor, the author, Michael Schweizek, explains that the mitochondrial Eve lived as far back as 200,000 years ago in southern Africa and that all humans can trace their mitochondrial DNA back to her. This is interesting because geneticists have taken mitochondrial DNA from women from around the world and they traced it to no later than 250,000 years.

Laurie: 23:28

Yeah, and this is about the time that the Sumerians claimed we were created by the Anunnaki. And of course it also seems to be paraphrased in Genesis 2, verses 20 and 22, through 22, what Eve being made from one of the of Adam's ribs. The Hebrew and Akkadian terminology of rib is more in meaning which side, and also life. So this could be illustrating how a chromosome, which, oddly enough, looks a little like ribs when viewed under a microscope, was removed from the side of the cell where the mitochondrial would be in relation to the nucleus.

Joe: 24:09

And I think that the basis of this is that of intelligent design, that we are just too incredible and nature itself is just too incredible to have just come about on its own or by accident, or we must have been caused to exist. And to be honest, there is something to that. I mean, even Francis Crick, who was one of the discoverers of the DNA double helix structure, had said something to this effect in his work of molecules and men, and he was one to scoff at religion, but he kind of admitted that there's something to this idea that it is just too amazing to think that it just came about on its own, without something moving along the way. So natural selection does fall short of satisfactorily explaining such magnificence.

Laurie: 24:57

Yeah, exactly, and with the ancient alien theory we sort of have a creationist assertion into that. So we have natural selection and transmutations occurring over the course of millions and billions of years, but we now also have Homo sapiens being modified through deliberate genetic hybridization so as to essentially become a created species. It doesn't get into the big bang or how life may have come out of primordial soup or panspermia. Those are different matters altogether. But what it does is put forward a possibility of how we became what we are as an advanced human race. So really you can believe in creationism of God making the whole universe and still accept the possibility that we are the result of some special type of extraterrestrial genetic engineering.

Joe: 25:49

Yeah, and the ancient alien theory doesn't touch on all the doctrines that Saint Thomas Aquinas called the first cause or the unmoved mover, or anything that has to do with natural law. It's not an explanation for the origin of the cosmos and how everything got here. The next are terrestrial race of beings, whether from the planet Nibiru, or anywhere else. So, it would have had to go through the same process of evolution through natural selection on their own worlds or be created by God. So it doesn't actually support Darwinism anymore, it supports Biblical creationism.

Laurie: 26:30

Right. And what the ancient alien proponents argue is that our ancient traditions, the scriptures, the myths, the religious narratives say that we people began at a time when incredible things were seen, mostly coming from the sky, and that our super development is a result of it. It can fit into models of creation and slash, or even evolution.

Joe: 26:58

And most anthropologists think that homo sapiens did appear around 300,000 years ago and really nothing impressive happens. For a very long time the other humanoids hominids go extinct, but Homo sapiens, like Cro Magnon man in France and the Denovian man in China, who date to a little over 50,000 years ago and they continue on but don't change a whole heck of a lot. They are hunter-gatherers and they use stone tools for a very long time, thousands of years. And then boom, it's at about 10,000 to 8,000 years ago that they start to become really amazing, because then, after almost 3 million years of a stone age, it comes to an end and humans now learn how to make tools for metalworking, and this is the big technological breakthrough.

Laurie: 27:47

Right, and on the scale of the long and slow moving chronology of the universe, the 250,000 to 300,000 years that it took our species to become like this is virtually instantaneous. So it's around this point that the handy work of the alien genetic engineering begins to take hold. There's another Babylonian and Akkadian myth, called the Atrahasis, which talks about this, and we mentioned in our other episodes that this alien race was mining gold on the continent of Africa and that they were getting tired of the hard work. It was toilsome.

Laurie: 28:25

And the Atrahasis, as the Anunnaki, the gods, the creators, the aliens, they're grumbling to their, to their leaders, which are very popular names now in the Sumerian translations and through the ancient theory, which is Anu, the father, and Hinlil and Inki, his two half sons, about this situation. So they're arguing to these guys about this, about this is this labor is just too much and intense for us, and so the solution was to make a worker species, a sort of beast of burden for them, and this is what we talked about earlier on in this episode is how you know, inki said hey, there is a, there is a being here on the planet that already exists, and so there are artifacts that were found depicting just that and the manipulated hybridization being performed by the gods so as to make what would be called the Adamu, or Adam or man.

Joe: 29:26

Yeah, strangely enough we have Sumerian and Egyptian cylinder seals that show these scenes of what looks like the gods working in a laboratory setting, and others that have what appear to be these monstrous creatures. So you have to wonder. You know what is. This is an allegorical depiction of some sort of them making us.

Laurie: 29:51

Yeah, because some of those cylinder seals actually have a large beam that looks like a human but that's holding up like what would be like a six foot man or something, and handing it off to, you know, to the people. So when we break down this creation story in Genesis, what we find? That first there is God and he's already in existence. And the author is telling the reader that God is saying let us make man in our image, according to our likeness. So this verse is describing genetic engineering at work. But we have been misled into believing in God, the, as a spirit, and not flesh and blood. Creating mankind and their image and likeness means that our creators are organic life forms from somewhere out in the universe, and that's why they came down to earth.

Laurie: 30:43

Now some will say, oh, come on, man, that's just rubbish, there's no proof in that. So so the first line is based on faith. As of right now, we do not have the smoking gun proof that God was behind our creation. It's important to note that people believe the biblical narrative on faith, not evidence, and we can bring forth arguments, but the proof we're looking for may just be DNA. That may be the proof Nothing about the spirit of God or something natural, but the chemical manipulation within the very chromosomes of a omni-nid creature that was already here through the lengthy process of evolution. The chemical manipulation was caused by something else that also was already here to hybridized our DNA with its DNA. That other DNA, I believe, is what is made by God in the creation story.

Joe: 31:40

Yeah, and there were many types of hominids that inhabited the earth, which they were humanoid species like homo erectus, homo habilis and homo ananthotholus. We said we outperformed them all. The question is did some outside intelligence become involved and create us into the thinking species we are? And it seems very probable, don't you?

Laurie: 32:05

Oh yeah, well I say it would have to be nothing more than extraterrestrial DNA, meaning it came from somewhere from beyond this world. We are given these translated words about God creating humans in his slash, their image and, after their slash, their likeness. So if God is just spirit, then why aren't we created as being just spirit? But since we are organic flesh and blood, then why wouldn't we question the E slash they from whose image we are created? Right, genesis two and seven says that God breathed into Adam's nostrils to give him the breath of life. So there's a close association in meaning between the word spirit and breath. Here we have, you know, the one creature blowing air into the nose and mouth of another creature. So it couldn't be more plainly said.

Laurie: 32:55

But you know, going back to the problem of the you know Perality we find in the scripture, we know that the Hebrew Bible uses Elohim. So God in the pearl, in Genesis one 26. With you know, let us make man in our image. But in the next verse, genesis one 27, god is mentioned by the narrator as being in the singular saying. He created mankind in his image, in the image of God, created he then.

Laurie: 33:21

Now here's the important clue so male and female. He created them. So in verse 26, it is us creating, but in verse 27, it is he creating them. So these verses sound contradictory, probably because the text was originally compiled from different sources, but a Jewish scribes when they were writing the canon. This means that males and females that is a plural are in God's image and likeness. Therefore, the proper rendering of this should be so the Elohim, the gods, created mankind in their image. In the image of the Elohim, male and female. They created them. With this there is no contradiction. So why would the word Elohim be considered singular, but words like seraphim, cherubim, nephilim, all could be plural?

Joe: 34:13

Well, Elohim is plural. El is singular and is used to refer to the Hebrew God, that of course being, you know, god El Shaddai, the Lord. The orthodox meaning of the word Elohim is simply what is in the text God referring to himself in the plural and any grammatical error would have just simply been copied and translated without alteration. This obviously has raised questions for a long time about the epigraphy of the original texts.

Laurie: 34:43

Right. The word Elohim, therefore, will fit perfectly into the plurality of a group of deities, which is what it would be in the Babylonian Enuma Elish, which most scholars agree is at least on the literary source from which the Genesis creation story was derived. It was just condensed.

Joe: 35:05

So now we're shifting to the evolutionist point of view. You know, when it comes to humans directly descending from a common ancestor of other primates, we must ask you know, why do human Homo sapiens, you know, have 46 pairs of 46 chromosomes, 23 pairs, but they have more, they have 48. You know what happened to the extra pair of chromosomes in ourselves? That's a significant amount of material to lose, and it could have been that at about 200,000 or so years ago, perhaps by genetic engineering, that our creators had located spots in the DNA sequence, you know the genes, so as the fuse together to chromosomes after matching them so as to make them into one, and per evolutionary standards this would have taken hundreds of millions of years.

Laurie: 35:53

I'm glad you mentioned cells because, as we all know, our bodies are full of them. They determine who we are from the moment of conception and with DNA you can locate it in the nucleus of the majority of cells. In this book Humans Are Not From Earth a Scientific Evaluation of the Evidence, Dr Ellis Silva wrote that a gene is a section of DNA that determines a specific function, such as gender, height, skin color, hair color, etc. Etc. And that some are more complex than others. He continues by saying that humans have about 20,000 genes, which is much less than what scientists first thought. They first thought we had up to about 2 million of them, but turns out humans only need about 2,000 genes for survival.

Laurie: 36:40

Selver continued by saying that we could get the same result by having a lot more genes, that each had fixed functions, but having fewer of them means there's less to go wrong. But then he writes something interesting. He says that it's almost as if someone deliberately designed it that way. Then he makes the bold statement we can find plenty of evidence that our DNA has been interfered with. It bears numerous scars where sections have been chopped out and other sections have been spliced in.

Laurie: 37:13

Then he added that something like spina bifida couldn't even exist in us, shouldn't even exist in us because some genetic defects prevent people from producing it. So people with spina bifida can't reproduce. They cannot pass it on to the next generation. So, this means that it should have been completely removed from our genome. But it wasn't. And the way in which Silva explains it is that two things are going on here. One, the non-sufferers are passing it on. Two, the genetic defects that cause it must be in different parts of the genome. That evolution could not get to. So, the only possible way for it to have gotten there is if it was spliced into place artificially. So, could it be that this was how it was done when an advanced alien race was manipulating the genes that led to humans being formed?

Joe: 38:07

And Selver also goes into explaining that even the life-giving energy of the sun is a detriment to our genetic evolution, since it is so damaging to our eyes and our skin, and our vitamin D levels tend to be lower than what is needed. And yet we still don't instinctively seek shade from the sun like animals do. Nor do we have fur or protective scales on our bodies that help block harmful UV rays. So he makes a claim that we are not in a normal habitat here on planet Earth, because there is nothing about our bodies that are naturally suitable for surviving the harsh elements here.

Joe: 38:42

And while I don't really think Silva's arguments about this is too valid, it is sound enough in that we see how other species do endure their environments much better than we do. They can stay out of doors all the time, regardless of how hot or cold it is, and do just fine. That's not so with us. Our ability to adapt to our surroundings comes from our tremendous mental and intellectual capacities. We use our brains to overcome problems that get in the way of our survival by inventing stuff, and it is the cerebral cortex that separates us from all the other species. It is what is that which makes us unique from all the rest, and without it, we would probably, to this day, be living like the Neanderthals, and the question that is raised is why do we have it and how do we acquire it?

Laurie: 39:32

Well, this is what I mean by humans being so unique and set apart from every other life form on the planet. We do not belong here, and natural selection doesn't sufficiently explain our sudden jump. Humans will always be almost sapiens, unless something or someone into beans and splices gives us what you might call a genetic upgrade that improves our brains by like 10,000 percent, and we have to ask why there are so many ways that we are completely different from primate cousins. Why do they have more physical strength than we do? Why are their bones larger and thicker than ours? Why did we develop alarmics and learn language, communication to, and learn how to turn sound into words by modulating? Why are they covered with hair while we are almost completely hairless?

Joe: 40:28

Yeah. And why did we come up with mathematics, trigonometry, algebra, calculus? How did we develop language to communicate our thoughts with one another? How did we think of formulas that create antibiotics to fight infections? Or to think of the chemical compounds that we've been able to put together to make appointments in medicines? And, of course, we can just go on and on with examples like these.

Laurie: 40:52

Yeah, we sure can. I mean, just think of how different we are from the apes and animals when it comes to giving birth. I mean, a human mother will scream out in the worst pain ever in delivering a child. I mean not so much with other mammals, which, to add to what you were just saying, how were we able to think of such an amazing pain alleviator called the epidural? Think about that, right.

Joe: 41:17

For sure. So if indeed our creation is attributed to an alien civilization that was using genetic engineering to hybridize us from some hominid like homo habilis or Australopithecus, it leaves us with asking you know why? Why did they do this? Why did they? Are our designers? For what purpose did they design us? And, as we learn from reading Sitchin and Von Daniken, we seem to have been hybridized for no other reason to be slaves to these aliens. And so when we think of God, we're really thinking of them.

Joe: 41:52

Now, this notion doesn't not sit well at all with religious believers, whose faith is that a perfect deity who loves us and wants us to use our innate free will to seek a personal relationship with him and secure salvation for an afterlife in heaven, where we are all reunited with our loved ones and spend eternity with Jesus and all the departed saints. And truly, the idea that the only reason we're here as modern humans is because a long time ago, the Anunnaki were too lazy to do their own work, well, that doesn't give me a real warm, fuzzy feeling either. So I can definitely see why the ancient alien theory doesn't resonate with some people, and I can see why the Valchristian would say something along the lines of it. You know, hey, it doesn't speak to my heart, I get it. We've heard that 28 times in our evangelical days, of how something speaks to someone's heart, you know, and the spirit has moved them. We've heard that 28 times.

Laurie: 42:51

Yeah, it's based on so much, based on emotional emotions and feelings. You know, like I don't care, that's true. So therefore it can't be true. True that, but.

Laurie: 43:03

But we have to remind ourselves that the Judeo-Christian narrative is not exactly a warm and fuzzy one, especially when you know, you read the Bible, how in the Bible, how God actually handles people. I mean, the Old Testament is loaded with stories about the wrath of Yahweh, about his anger, his jealousy and condemnation. He is seen as bloodlusting and has punishing entire nations with destruction through war, plague, pestilence and calamity. The sins of Israel weren't lovingly forgiven by God. They were atoned for through, you know, sacrifice and burnt offering, the killing of animals, the shedding of blood. That was the only way to atone for the sins. That's the religious perspective of it anyway. So, contrary to what you hear from a lot of believers, the Bible doesn't really offer too much in the way of comforting words and thoughts, and you realize that when you read the entire Bible, as we have, you realize this. I guess you can say the New Testament with the, you know, the coming of Jesus around that time is probably the, I guess, the best warm and fuzzy descriptions we have.

Joe: 44:17

Right, and many will say that it is the New Testament that gives us the portrayal of God, as they're saying unconditional love and unending mercy and perfect righteousness. However, even there we find a darkness. That is part of the whole idea of redemption. One not everyone gets redeemed, as salvation only comes to those who accept Christ. Others face everlasting damnation after they die. That is actually the fate of every single person, as Paul says in Romans three, 23,. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came through Christ Jesus. This may be a new covenant where atonement is given through faith and salvation of Jesus sacrifice through his crucifixion.

Joe: 45:05

But number two on this, sins are so not forgiven. That's the second part of this is that you know they're atoned by death. Something has to be killed. So in the Christian belief, the only difference between God's old covenant and his new one is that regular animal sacrifices are no longer necessary under the new covenant because Jesus made the final and ultimate sacrifice. This becomes one horrendous and brutal murder, and that atones for the sins of all humanity. Again, it is not forgiveness that God is just letting everybody and go, it's atonement. He's settling the score. The good news is that we don't have to do anything except believe that one sacrifice took care of it for everyone, and we're saved from God's well, his need for vengeance against our sins, his holy, just and righteous anger, as it is often called.

Laurie: 45:59

A good explanation. So only we can see that the spiritual worldview that comes from Christianity, or any religion for that matter, is not really one that gives you the I say it again the warm and fuzzies feeling, any more than the idea that the Anunnaki aliens are using genetic engineering to manipulate the DNA, to hybridize an ominant into us so that we can work like slaves for them. I guess the word they use was surf. So I guess, like any belief, it has to do with how the message is delivered to people. But the thing is, as you know, the pursuit of knowledge isn't about trying to feel good. It's about obtaining the truth, whatever it may be. But I would like to wrap up this episode with what author Michael Tellinger wrote in his fascinating book titled Slave Species of the Gods the Secret History of the Anunnaki and their mission on earth. If you can get that copy and read it, I think you'd be amazed by it. But in it he writes I believe in I believe it's in chapter 16 that if the experts get things wrong, then we all get it wrong. So we expect them to believe to provide us with the entire truth, in this case of who we are and where we came from.

Laurie: 47:19

Scientists and leaders are both at fault when it comes to shaping our ideas, and that, in the majority of cases, important discoveries are based on apostasies, theories, speculation and even faith. So, as an example, tellinger talks about how, at the time of the Wright brothers, leading scientists firmly asserted that man would never fly. So when the Wright brothers flew their first plane, none of the experts of the day cared to attend to witness it, because they simply didn't accept that it could be done, and many of them were quoted in newspapers as saying that it is impossible for something heavier than air to fly. According to Tellinger, this still happens today, where a lot of scientists kill new ideas according to their own perspective. If they don't understand it or if it doesn't fit the accepted narrative, it becomes labeled as esoteric, mythical or else just plain odd conspiracy.

Joe: 48:20

More day simply refuses, except something that goes against their long held beliefs. And, like Tellinger writes, as in all of history, only time will help shine the light on the real facts surrounding our human origins. And then he boldly proclaims we are the aliens, so time will tell. Right. That will do it for today. Thank you for joining us to be part of our discussion, and for our next episode we will take on the exploration of what strange things go on at Skinwalker Ranch, and we have an upcoming YouTube video about reptilians, the menace from the stars. I think it's a good one for the Halloween season, which is right around the corner. Hard to believe, it's that time of year already.

Laurie: 49:05

Yeah, really I'm excited. I always like this time of year and, yeah, our next podcast episode on Skinwalker Ranch and Skinwalkers is also a good one for Halloween. This is a place in Ballard, utah, that has been, or long been, associated with UFO and, you know, paranormal phenomena, as it is tied to the Navajo Legion of the skinwalkers, which are more or less like demons. They shape, shift and wreak havoc. The area up in Utah that borders two large Indian reservations is thought to be a real hotbed for presence of these, these so-called skinwalkers, and, of course, there have been plenty of documentaries and movies about it. So we'll delve into it as well and give our take on it, and I'm sure you guys will enjoy it.

Joe: 49:54

That's right. Yeah, so, and just also, you know, this year marks our 75th episode for Alien Talk Podcasts and we want to say that we really appreciate the support you've always shown and we look forward to bringing you more. So check us out on our website and give us a like, as well as your comments. So take care and until next time, stay curious.

Laurie: 50:18

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