Alien Talk Podcast
Alien Talk Podcast
Alien Artifacts: Clues to Humanity's Mysterious Past
Could ancient civilizations have possessed advanced knowledge or even encountered extraterrestrial beings? Our latest episode features Aaron Long, a renowned expert in Mesopotamian archaeology and Ice Age geology, as we scrutinize the Antikythera mechanism, the Baghdad battery, the Istanbul rocket, and other out-of-place artifacts that challenge conventional historical timelines. Aaron shares his insights and recent work on the Ancient Astronaut Theory, offering a compelling narrative that may reshape the way we think about ancient history and extraterrestrial influences.
Prepare to be intrigued as we delve into the technological mysteries of ancient artifacts, such as a Neanderthal skull with an unexplained hole and the enigmatic Ubaid figurines, which sport reptilian features. We discuss the possible existence of intelligent beings or their symbolic representations in ancient cultures and connect these artifacts with ancient civilizations like the kingdom of Urartu and their association of godliness with attributes such as the ability to traverse the skies. The episode also investigates the Istanbul rocket and its fascinating ties to these ancient stories of celestial travel.
Our exploration doesn't stop there. We dissect the mysteries surrounding the precision-crafted Schist disk from Egypt's First Dynasty and the Piri Reis map, a 16th-century chart that controversially depicts Antarctica without ice. Could these artifacts suggest lost technologies or forgotten histories? We also entertain the possibility of unearthing massive alien artifacts buried beneath the Earth's surface, pondering historical and geological evidence that hints at larger, hidden relics. Join us for this thought-provoking journey as we widen our understanding of ancient mysteries and their potential extraterrestrial connections.
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Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk Podcast.
Speaker 1:This is the show where we discuss all things about aliens and UFOs and, as always, where we push the limits of our understanding. Joe Landry and Roy Olford here once again to seek out the truth and find the facts pertaining to the highly discussed issues about extraterrestrial life and the existence of UFOs. So tonight our emphasis on mythology shifts from science fiction stories to actual archaeological discoveries, remnants of antiquity that have been unearthed, some all the way back to the Victorian era. They are unusual objects as they seem foreign to the others that have been recovered from the same period. Instead of looking like other relics, they seem to be like something that doesn't belong there, like something out of place in time. So could these oddities resemble things that came from someone other than our ancient ancestors? Could they be not of human design and imagination, but of extraterrestrial intervention? Could they be alien artifacts? We'll examine some of the more obscure and arcane pieces that have been studied by scientists and have left many of them baffled, as their origins seem to defy our understanding of history.
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Speaker 1:Okay, just to be straight on this, when we say alien artifacts, we want to make sure no one misunderstands us and thinks that they are pieces of elaborate equipment technology, from another planet that have been unearthed by archaeologists like something from an Indiana Jones movie. We're not talking about something like a decked out spacecraft wreckage buried out near the Acropolis in Greece, as cool as that would be. First, to date, no such thing has ever been discovered and second, if it was, the information about it would be deemed highly classified by the governments of the world and we would probably never even be able to know anything about it. So these things that we are really talking about are not artifacts like that no smoking guns, as much as we wish. No smoking guns, as much as we wish. Instead, they are relics built by human hands that show that their makers possess some kind of understanding about science that, as far as we know about history, people wouldn't have obtained back then. These are called by the generic name of out-of-place artifacts, and they are objects that are significantly ahead of their times. Ones that I think prominently stick out are the Antikythera mechanism and the Baghdad battery, and the question that they bequeath upon us is do such artifacts, at least indirectly point to some outside and otherworldly influence.
Speaker 1:So to join us in the exploration of this subject is our good friend and inspirational mentor from all the way across the pond, aaron Long. As you all know, aaron has undertaken several research endeavors from all over in the UK that pertain to Mesopotamian archaeology and Ice Age geology, and he maintains a worldwide following on his Ancient Astronaut Theory Facebook page, through which he avails much of his information, and he has also been on our show several times to share his expertise with us. So, aaron, it is truly an honor and a privilege to have you here with us once again as we delve into a mysterious and one might even say controversial topic. So welcome my friend, and thank you for being with us at this very late hour over there, or maybe it's a very early hour, whichever it may be yeah, no, it's a complete and it's a complete honor.
Speaker 4:I'm privileged to be on, you know, season 10 with you guys. Um, I always love being on and uh, yeah, I think it's going to be an intriguing show and, um, yeah, I mean, it is early hours in the morning here, so it's like, you know, uh, 2 20 am, uh, but I've got the coffee on, so oh yeah, you don't drink tea I do actually drink tea, but tonight I'm drinking strong coffee. Guys there you go nice, one nice one joe, bring up tea for the brit. That's why.
Speaker 1:And crumpets right yeah, I like tea too.
Speaker 5:Sometimes I drink tea as well yeah, yeah, aaron, always, uh, always, truly a pleasure having you on with us. Uh, since you were last with us, you've been very busy because I've been watching your ancient astronaut theory facebook page quite a bit, liking it, loving it, and, uh, you have a, you have us, uh. You gave us some tremendous uh review too, for our latest novel, by the way, that battle planet ad, relic of the gods and, and that was on goodreads and thank you for that. So, and uh, we want to just say we really appreciate what you're doing for us. You're really helping us out. But, uh, you've also been on on there doing quite a bit uh, or like for movies or something like interviews, right, how's that been going for you?
Speaker 4:Oh right Same interviews.
Speaker 4:Yeah, first and foremost, you're more than welcome, guys. I mean, I want to thank you as well for personally sending me the book Battle Lady, relic of the Gods Was it Sorry? Battle Planet, relic of the Gods. It is a beautiful book, beautiful hardcover book and a fantastic read to boot, and what I loved is your simplicity in writing. Anybody can pick that book up and enjoy it.
Speaker 4:I also love the aspects of how you based your characters on, on what I perceived as as real life uh, personalities you know from from back in the day, from hynek to you know, uh, maybe in in the egyptology field. So you know, um, that that was a nice little, nice little touch on your part if it was deliberate, that is um. So I urge anybody anybody who's, who's got an interest in alternative archaeology or you know um the ancient alien theory, ancient national theory then then go and grab that book. You're not going to be disappointed. So I'm not just saying that, guys, because I'm on the show. It's genuinely, you know, a real, real good book and um, I thank you as well for your personal message in the book to me.
Speaker 5:so well, thank you so much yeah, yeah, thanks, um, so yeah, we've been following your ancient astronaut theory facebook page and noticed that, uh, the past several posts now, aaron, uh, they've displayed some like remarkable images of relics that were found in different parts of the of the world. And, uh, these are, you know, pieces that were dug up or somehow found, I guess, among the ruins or sites that belong to ancient peoples. So they're not like old toys buried in someone's backyard, right, and they were located in sites of like the remains of settlements that date back thousands of years, tens of thousands of years probably. And one that is of particular interest is something called the Istanbul Rocket. As its name suggests, it is on display in Istanbul, but was found in an area known as Tushba in eastern Turkey back in 1973.
Speaker 5:Since then, it has caused quite a stir in the academic community, because it is a stone carving dated to about 3,000 years old and it depicts what seems to look like a Mercury or a Gemini space capsule with a man seated inside of it, and the resemblance is rather uncanny. It even has what seem to be three thrusters on the back of it Two thrusters, yeah, exactly yeah, and you pointed out, aaron, if this is not a hoax and you know, and it doesn't seem to be as it is or as gone undergone testing, then the maker of it is trying to convey a message without words about what was seen back then. I mean, what would that message be, and how certain are we about that?
Speaker 4:Just to touch on what you said, laurie, about the artifact being on show within the Istanbul Archaeology Museum. It was on show and they have now put it in the basement out of show, and that's due to the fact of too many people asking questions, and uncomfortable questions at that, and uncomfortable questions at that. They just don't have any answer as to why this like we call it in Istanbul rocket, as it's known, why this rocket exists and is 3,000 plus years old. So what they've done is they've put it out of the way, taken it out of the cabinet, and we're in the scenario of don't look here, there's nothing to see here, scenario which is tragic. Quite clearly, the artisan, the ancient artisan who created this artefact, was trying to convey that they witnessed technology that we have at our disposal today.
Speaker 4:Back then, if you look closely at the Istanbul rocket, like you said, you have the free exhausts at the back, you know, which would propel the object in question. You also see the beam in a seated position that you would see an astronaut seated today inside a rocket, and this beam has what looks to be a pressurized space suit. Uh, the head is missing. So we can't see a helmet because there's no head on. Unfortunately, there's no head on on the body, um, but it is quite clearly a you know what looks to be identical to that of a modern day astronaut, um inside a rocket um and also manipulating controls. Much like when did they?
Speaker 1:when did they take it off of display? That must have just been pretty recent I'm not sure exactly when.
Speaker 4:So you know I'm not going to go on record to say when, but they, they have now taken it out off display. Um, they've also sort of thrown the, the, the, the hoax scenario out there that this, you know, this is this. Actually, this is a hoax. Um, it's not.
Speaker 5:You know, it's quite clearly not a hoax, or they wouldn't have displayed it in the first place all right, it seems like they're trying to uh do one of those uh hidden archaeological or hidden, uh hidden history type things again from us exactly, and it's interesting to note where it was discovered.
Speaker 4:It's discovered, like you said, in tushba in turkey. We know little to nothing about the civilization in tushba, so you, you know once again that there's a, there's a, you know somewhat mystique surrounding this um, unheard of, or or little known about, civilization of antiquity.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so the ist, the Istanbul rocket, is just one of several pieces that resemble a flying craft or a spaceship Absolutely. There's a Quimbaya jet that comes from Colombia.
Speaker 4:The Quimbaya fire yeah.
Speaker 1:Quimbaya jet from Colombia around 1905. That dates to roughly 500 AD. There's a scarab bird discovered near Giza in Egypt in 1898, and that dates to about 200 BC. The designs of these objects have actually been demonstrated to be aerodynamically accurate. Larger scale models of them have been made to the exact ratios of the dimensions of these pieces, and they've been made to fly. So that leaves us wondering how the creators of them knew about the mathematical interrelationship of the sizes and shapes of the wings to make as accurate as a real airplane wing. Such knowledge of fluid mechanics didn't come about until the 17th century, and heavier-than-air flight didn't happen until the 20th century. So, aaron, it seems that, though, the ancients did have a scientific understanding of this and it became lost at some point. Do you think these artifacts preserve a story, through the artistic tradition, about the far distant past, perhaps even in prehistoric times, where advanced technological machinery did exist on Earth?
Speaker 4:Yes, I'm more than convinced that what our ancient ancestors witnessed, they depicted and they created for many generations to come being us and we're looking at it right now. I mean, these artifacts are no, you know, they're no accident. You know this one, you know, children sat around, just, you know, these artifacts are no accident. This one, children sat around just making toys out of steam. They were depicting what they saw, the aerodynamics of these crafts and the way they're depicted, which eerily resemble that of which we have today like I said, is no accident yeah, and you and I were talking real quick, uh, to email and talking about going way, way back.
Speaker 5:Um, you mentioned something about a, a bullet hole or something in a that was found in a skull that's correct.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's a bullet hole found in a neanderthal skull. Um, you know I, I mean I, you know, like we speak, I was going to touch upon that on a separate episode, completely separate and and put that with the footprints that coexist with dinosaurs as well. Um, you know they, they, we, we have scientists in germany, um examining these, these neanderthal skulls, and they state they clearly stated that this is a projectile, projectile at high speed, being a bullet, yeah, and I know people are probably listening to this going this is nuts. You know this guy or guy on drugs, you know they. We have scientists backing it, backing these claims up. Yeah, the site that those scientists, may I add, were were quickly, were quickly silenced.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so that's another story for another episode.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Well, I know we touched on it a little while back, but yeah, there's something to really delve into deeper, because I'm sure there's more.
Speaker 5:But I mean, oddly enough, the region where the Istanbul rocket was discovered is the place where the kingdom of Urartu is thought I think that's how you pronounce it, but to have dwelled at one time and it was in the area of northern Iran and eastern Turkey and was there around the 9th century BC until it was conquered by the Medes around 550 BC. So the Istanbul rocket dates to about that time frame and it was probably the Eurasians or Eurasians who made it. Now, I'll get your thoughts on that in a second. But in this region, in and around Mesopotamia, we have the cradle of civilization, which we all know about, as it is called, and this is where the Sumerians, the Akkadians, the Babylonians, the Assyrians and some others all flourished from the 48 to the 3rd century BC. But before them is one that we know quite little about, as it seems to predict the Sumerians, and that's going back beyond 6000 BC, and they are known as the Eubadians. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:And while they left behind no textual evidence, I don't think they did create a very strange or they did create some very strange looking figurines. So, aaron, I mean you do have photos of them on your Facebook and I saw them, and, of course, I saw those photos before, and anyone who sees them can't help but notice that they have reptilian faces, human bodies. I guess they're like lizard-like faces. I guess they're like lizard-like faces. But does this mean that the makers of these figurines had some creatures that looked like and then tried to replicate their images in the form of small statues?
Speaker 4:I'm glad you brought this up, laurie. I was hoping you were going to bring it up. You did. Yeah, the Ubaid figurines. So the first excavation of these figurines was conducted in 1919 by Henry Hall. It was only in 1927 that a larger excavation took place by British archaeologist, sir Leonard Woolley. So it's the 1927 digs and excavations that gained all the attention.
Speaker 4:And these figurines are extremely interesting. They're anthropomorphic figurines. They unearthed up to the hundreds of these figurines. They discovered them in the city of Ur. Interestingly, this city was a bustling metropolis back in the day and it was said to be that this city was where gods walked among men. Does this sound familiar? Just like in Egypt, pre-dynastic Egypt, when the gods walked among men?
Speaker 4:And here we have these figurines clearly depicted with, some are female, um carrying out you know female activity, as in breastfeeding their young, uh, these. This is clearly, clearly depicted within these uh, small statuettes. They're beautifully preserved as well, um, due to the dry climate of these regions. So we're very fortunate and lucky to see how um well preserved these figurines are. And then you have the male figurines with obviously male genitalia. This was clear as day, so you could see the attention to detail when these artisans created these figurines. Another interesting point on these figurines are the elongated craniums, you know, and the coffee bean-like eyes that we see all over the world. We see these same beings in Mahenjo-Daro. We see whole families of them feeding their young.
Speaker 1:Yeah, native American culture has creatures like that, where the eyes look very serpentine and lizard-like. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And Ubaid figurines certainly seem to support a hypothesis about the existence of intelligent and sentient reptiloid and humanoid creatures from the remote past. But we have to ask in what way? I mean, did they physically exist or do they represent a theological construct to which the ancient people adhered? We can't say for sure, but it seems like there was at least a psychological association that was once made between the attributes of reptiles, particularly the snake, and the notion of godliness. And the same can be said for the capacity to traverse the sky and the notion of God with the notion of godliness. The idea of godliness and being able to travel through the heavens was kind of synonymous with the ancient people. So, aaron, we have to ask why would that be? Why and how did such image impress early humans so as to think of it as being related to the divine?
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a great question. Uh, great question, joe. So when we look at the elongated craniums of the practice people, again, a civilization we know little to literally zero about, um, we've got physical, physical craniums, uh, which have been tested. Uh, many people go well, you know, it's the product of uh head binding. Well, it's not because they've been tested. They've, they've been tested.
Speaker 4:The satchel sutra on the skulls are completely different from any any, you know, gnome, homo sapien. So, straight away, straight off the bat, you, you have a genetic, a distinctive genetic difference between us and them. Yeah, uh, so we have physical evidence of these elongated people on earth in our remote past. Uh, these, these skulls eerily resemble those of the ubaid figurines found in the city of earth. So, so, not only have we got artifacts to to show these, uh, these, these unknown beings, we have physical bodies and physical craniums to to to prove that they once walked, you know, on this planet. So you know, we've, we've, we. It's like I said, it's not just figurines, we have physical, you know, we have physical anatomies of these beings.
Speaker 5:Well, they're doing, what they're doing, what? What our, our ancestors are doing, what we do today. So they, they didn't have photographs to take cell phones, and you know, so they're. They're making these things so which I believe? They're probably the. They're probably trying to depict either the anunnaki or the reptilian race, or probably they're both actually. And uh, you so, because the narrative of the existence of such a race of beings is preserved in the Hebrew Bible Exactly.
Speaker 5:Yeah, there is well, the Nephilim in Genesis 6, 1 through 5, who, as we know, were giants according to the old scriptures, the biblical scriptures, and, of course, nephilim in the original Hebrew, and they were the offspring of the Watchers and human women. So it was a hybrid race that was created, which I believe, that was us. And there are the Raphael in Numbers, chapter 13, which are also giants and are said to be the sons of Anak Well, anak is derived from Anunnaki be the sons of Anak. Well, anak is derived from Anunnaki. They're also referenced several times throughout the book of Deuteronomy and Joshua, and so we find this theme throughout the mythological traditions from the cradle of civilization, such as Egypt, mesopotamia, in which the artwork is almost obsessive toward the idea of gods coming down from the sky.
Speaker 5:And now, with this idea of depictions of aerial technology like the Istanbul rocket, there is an object that was discovered in Egypt in 1936, within the tomb of Sabu, the son of Pharaoh Anegeb, and dates to around 3000 BC. Now it is known as the schist disk, sometimes called the Sabu disk, and this thing looks like it could be some kind of steering wheel or hydraulic impeller hydraulic impeller, now, aaron, being that it is made of schist, which is a delicate mineral that is difficult to cut, by the way, and curve with crude tools. But what does that say about the way it was crafted, so precisely at a time which stone and bronze tools were all that were around at the time?
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, exactly. So we're faced with another conundrum from our ancient world. We are told that this disc is nothing but an incense holder.
Speaker 4:It's just absolutely insane, this advanced technology I'm going to call it advanced technology because that's exactly what it is um, it's on the show in the cairo museum, uh, for anybody to to see if, if you know, if they ever go to cairo is is readily available to look at, which, which surprises me because, uh, usually that you know these, these sort of out of place or artifacts, or are just swept underneath the rug and, yeah, it doesn't fit in with our narrative, so we have to sort of, you know, put it out of the way. I want to see that. I mean, when you look at this thing, thing, you, you, you straight away think it, for to me, is part of something larger. Is, you know, this artifact isn't a singular, um, artifact, that there was something that went with it. It's part of a large. You know it could be a machine, it could have been a massive machine, it could, you know it could.
Speaker 1:It was something a much, much more advanced that for that time period, and this, this was either attached to it or you know, yeah, and according to James Coffey at HistoryDefinedcom article dated March 8th 2023, schist is very brittle and its name comes from the word to split, and there have been other relics found or made of it. This is the only one ever found that exhibits such precision and how it was cut, carved and shaped. And how it was cut, carved and shaped. There are no other designs like it and it seems to have been formed flawlessly and perfectly at the first making. There are no other ones like it. There are no duplicates, nothing resembles it even closely.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean sorry for the question.
Speaker 1:It was found during the first dynasty of Egypt, which is a very long time ago, apparently. Even with our computer-controlled milling and grinding and cutting machinery of today, it is an extremely tedious task to replicate the shape of the schist disk. So, again, this is an out-of-place artifact, and does it tell a story about lost technology that existed on Earth perhaps even long before the first dynasty? So, laurie, as perfectly formed as it is, we really don't know what it is meant to be used for, right?
Speaker 5:Well, no, I don't think so. I mean, the desk is thought by some scholars to have been used for brewing beer and to mix and mash the grains with hot water and such. So it was a mixing tool, I think is what they mostly believe it is now, uh, with two mixing blades we use like a, like we use on a handheld mixer, I guess you know, like the ones we watched our moms mix cake mix with and we licked the like the icing off right yeah well, well, this thing was, I guess it.
Speaker 5:It was similar because they mixed other foods and you know, like meats and fruit with, you know, with the grains. Now here's the shocker how did an ancient civilization that far back know how to make this kind of tool to do all that that I just mentioned, tool to do all that that I just mentioned? Remember, there are Sumerian cylinder seals and they're depicting these beings, these large beings, like sitting on a throne, and they are much taller than ordinary humans, which is like six feet, they're like half their size handing the plow to them, which indicates that the gods provided the tools to them for cultivation and agriculture. So perhaps this Schist disk is something replicated from one of those said tools. Right, Aaron?
Speaker 4:I mean, yeah, to add to that, Laurie, this artifact must have been of extreme importance and it had huge significance because it was buried with a high priest. You know sabby was a high priest of, you know, ancient egypt, so you know, to have been buried with him, this artifact must have been um of high, high significance. You know, if it was, you know it could, it could have been, you know, something to grind up the grains or something to aid in food preparation, or what have you. But for me there's just too much significance regarding where it was.
Speaker 1:That is a good point to bring up there, Aaron, because if it's just a mixer for food, why would that be buried with a priest? I mean, what would be the purpose of essentially burying a kitchen utensil with the priest? It must have served some other purpose. Perhaps food preparation was part of it, but there was maybe some ritualistic importance to it as well.
Speaker 5:Well, since you brought that up, just think about the meal preparations that were made for God back in during the Levitical sacrifice times. I mean, it was holy to have forks and spoons on the altar of sacrifice. So you know they made those people. Those sacrifices were made to honor God and to actually feed God and the Bible actually says it's, you know it's, it was food. It was food for the gods. So I could see the, you know the, the importance of something like that possibly being of a high religious value and respected as such.
Speaker 4:Aaron, yeah, I mean, yeah, I completely get your point, Laurie. It's great to have a friendly debate. I just think we would have found more everyday utensils within tombs which we just don't see on a large enough scale.
Speaker 1:True. Well, you know, some of these artifacts seem to suggest that their makers knew of technology from beyond their place in time. There are some that suggest they knew about what the world looked like in a highly accurate way, even without the modern geodetic surveying and cartographic techniques that we employ today at our disposal. So that brings us to something called the Piri Reis map. This is a medieval nautical chart that was found in some forgotten archive I believe in 1929, and it shows in painstaking detail the outline of the coast of Antarctica as it would have looked if the ice is not there. It supposedly was drafted in 1513 by an Ottoman Navy admiral named Piri Reis, and the question raises how was he able to make such a map of the coastline if it is and was back in the 16th century, completely covered and obscured and thus invisible due to massive sheets of ice that conceal it? So, aaron, how could Perry Rees have had access to such information that even today, with our capability of aerial surveillance and ground penetrating radar, is tedious and often with questionable reliability?
Speaker 4:Yeah, the Perry Rees map has to be one of my, one of my favourites and one of the most mind-boggling pieces we have on earth today. And we're still just as mystified now as we were back then. So in, like you said, 1929, scholars working in Turkey's Topkapi Palace Museum discovered a part section of an early 16th century Turkish worldkish world map, and it's made of gazelle skin, believe it or not? Um so, so with this map, we only have a section of the map, but it's what's depicted on the map. It's really interesting and the the uh, the time frame in which it's depicted, uh, it's.
Speaker 4:It's actually signed by a turkish admiral, by, you know navy admiral, by the name of peri reese, hence the name the peri reese map, right, um and it? It was obviously dated in 1513. That's also on the map. Uh, so that would mean that it was 21 years after christopher columbus discovered the new world, uh, which is interesting in itself. So here's the kicker. So what you know, mainstream scholars say well, you know, piri Rees signed it. You know he it was Piri Rees, that sort of you know drew the map up and he signed it, et cetera, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What they don't often talk about is the fact that Piri Rees himself said that he had sourced 20 previous source maps and charts to construct the map itself. So we have from the horse's mouth being Piri Rees that he was looking at older maps in order to construct this map on Gazelski and we call the Piri Reis map today.
Speaker 1:And don't some of these maps actually go back all the way to the Ptolemaic period, like, probably like a second century BC? They're pretty old maps that he referenced.
Speaker 4:He's telling us that he was sourcing much, much, much more older source maps. So the question is what were these older source maps? Um? Where are these source maps? Um? But, like I said, we have it from the horse's mouth. So who are we to say you know? Well, no, he didn't, he did because he told us he did. Um, you know, there'd be no reason to lie if anything, he, if, if anything, perry reese would have said that you know, it was me that discovered the map, or or created the map. He would want the full.
Speaker 1:Right, I think, some of those older maps that he. The theory is that the Ptolemaic maps that may have been mentioned, or the original maps which were copied later on, may have been lost in the library of Alexandria when it was burned in the 5th century. So we may have been lost in the library of alexandria when it was burned in the fifth century. So so what we have are the copies from that, but they believe that the original ones that were made even further back, you know, second century bc, and they were kept in the library of alexandria and are lost at time because the library was, of course, as we know destroyed.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we lost so much of our ancient world. Uh, you know, through the burning of the library of alexandra is, uh, it's just unquestionable to think what, what we could have um been looking at had that not happened. Um, but the here's the real kicker in the mystery of the map. Uh, you know, it's got a presence of what appears to be a representation of Antarctica 300 years before it was discovered. So, you know, even more mind boggling than that is, you know, is the Antarctica landmass is depicted with no ice sheets.
Speaker 4:So, you know, the cartographer was, was was depicted in Antarctica when it was fertile, when it is a fertile crescent, so to speak, fertile, green and lush. So, um, not that, you know, I was talking about 300 years difference just a minute ago. Now we're going back 6 000 plus years, you know, for the end of the last ice age, so to speak, uh, which was 12 500 years ago. So you know who was this cartographer? Um, before the you know that created this map, before the antarctic was covered in ice. Well, who were the travelers who went?
Speaker 1:down there. That's the the uh, the baffling thing. It's like what you said uh, 300 years later is when we attest the discovery of antarctica I mean, you know the 20th century and we see what an effort it is to go down there. It is not an easy trip, it is life threatening, it is dangerous. Even today I imagine thousands of years ago I take a ship down into the southern ocean would just be very dangerous, very difficult, almost. You know the deterring factor like why bother doing this? So much is at risk in terms of life and limb. But they did. Somebody or some group of people did travel there and were able to not only see the land but actually chart it.
Speaker 5:Well, aaron, when you mentioned going back like 12,000 plus years ago, well, that brings to mind the you know what, if the well that's around the time, I guess Atlantis would possibly have existed and it could have been that those maps were created by Atlanteans that knew about the South or Antarctica and sailed around it and did these maps, or, as Joe mentioned earlier, with the Kumbaya artifacts earlier.
Speaker 5:You know how they were modeled and flew. You know not only them, but the Egyptian Sakara bird and, of course, relics like the Istanbul rocket. If these were engineered aircraft from antiquity, then it is possible that the Piri's map could have been drawn up by an extraterrestrial piloting one of these such crafts, even up to 500, 700 years ago. And I say this because I was visiting a museum in Seattle one year and saw a depiction of the Earth going, going through its climate uh, like it's a climatic changes over the thousands of years. And what's interesting is that during the 1300s the earth was depicted as having little to no um ice caps. So could a flying craft of some kind I mean, there wasn't, no, there wasn't any uh technology like we know today back then, but you know, could a uh flying craft of some kind, been traveling up above at that time mapping the whole area.
Speaker 4:And voila, we have the perry's map yeah, so, yeah, so, to further elaborate on that lori, uh, very interesting points raised regarding the? Uh, the civilization, well said civilization of atlantis. Uh, as we know, we, we all know plato's dialogue where he said you know, atlantis sunk in in one night. Uh, we're still looking for that lost city. But I mean, I mean, we have megalithic sites underwater which are not being investigated, which should be being investigated. We are, you know, the yonaguni coast of japan. We have a, you know, a sunken, megalithic uh city. We see physical evidence of this. It's not geological, that is, you know, artificial in nature.
Speaker 4:Uh, I don't know if you guys are aware of charles hapgood's map, charles hapgood's maps of the ancient sea kings, which is published in 1965. And an interesting point raised inside of this book regarding the Piri Reis map, and it goes back to what you said about the Atlanteans, laurie. They cover the Piri Reis map in great detail. And here's the smoking gun. Charles Hapgood and his team of students at the University of New Hampshire studied the map and found numerous anomalies, such as use of mercatorial projection I can never say that word along with the inclusion of pre-ice age Antarctica. So what's happened here is that they've tested. I don't explain that. You know. Basically, they're saying that this isn't the only map that depicts the Earth as it is today, so to speak. There are numerous numbers of maps, just like the Piraeus map, that just aren't being looked at or investigated thoroughly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've heard of those. There are other maps, like the Perry Rees map, but for some reason the Perry Rees map is the one that gets in our pain.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, well. So I mean we really can't discuss this topic without bringing up the novel again that Joe and I wrote, battle Planet AD, relic of the Gods. Because not that we're going for some kind of shameless promotion here, nor give a spoiler, but it is fiction. But can you imagine how the world would react if something like an alien ship came to light after being buried somewhere for thousands of years, like in the sands of Egypt or down in the jungles of Peru or whatever? I honestly believe that there may well be a ship of significant size buried miles below us, because the pyramids were buried underneath the ground at one time and they were discovered, and so this thing is possibly out there further down and is waiting to be discovered. So, Aaron, it could be that if we have found small artifacts like the ones we're talking about now on the show, then it could be possible that there are much bigger ones, like, say, an alien spacecraft or some type of flying vehicle somewhere out there, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 4:Well, just to rewind Laurie back to our conversation earlier on the show. Or some type of flying vehicle somewhere out there, wouldn't you say? Well, just to rewind Laurie back to our conversation earlier on the show when we were talking about new-made figurines.
Speaker 4:So there's evidence within the soil, within Earth, that there was a mass flood somewhere during antiquity. So, within the same region as the figurines, evidence was found within layers of soil to support mass floods of epic proportions, as referenced in. You know the Epic of Gilgamesh, for example. I'm not sure if you've read the Epic of Gilgamesh. It's a fascinating text. It's a 12 tablet text, which is just mind-blowing, to say the least. Of course, all of this is just put down to. You know, it's mythology. Uh, you know, great storytellers of our, of our ancient world, um, you know, scholars put all of this, like I said, put all this down to mass hysteria, and that they, uh, they, they state that the, the soil samples that throw up evidence of a, of a great flood spoken of in in most, in mostly all ancient civilizations and all cultures you speak to, uh, the, the, the mainstream academia, state that, oh, nothing to see here is, it's just where the euphrates and tiger tigris rivers burst their banks well, yeah, you know about the.
Speaker 1:You know great the story of the great flood. There is that myth that exists in all cultures that there was a massive flood and yeah it would vary a lot.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's a lot of things that could be very well be buried very deep. Um, even with our ground penetrating radar it's not perfect, a you know, it does miss things, um, even something big. So is it a matter of time before something large is found? Yeah, and that's where the novel is kind of centered around the idea that we do find some huge spacecraft buried and that would change the understanding of human history dramatically.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean I personally again, I say personally because I don't want to speak for anyone else I personally believe that they've unearthed many, many, like you know, in the hundreds of anomalous relics and, perhaps you know, ancient spacecraft that came down in our remote past.
Speaker 1:I personally believe that our government is in possession of those ancient, ancient artifacts and, you know, we're only seeing a small fraction of what they have unearthed and they're just giving us, you know, a little tidbit you know, and of course, and with the idea of discovering something big like an alien spaceship buried somewhere, also comes the understanding that any government on earth would take the most drastic measures to guard it and it well and keep it in top secret. And our novel kind of touches on that idea.
Speaker 4:It's just a white city.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so any information to make its way into the societal discourse would be scanty, inaccurate and conspiratorial at best. We're all aware of the clandestineness that surrounds the things like our country's space program and the black projects classified. We knew they exist. Yeah, military operations, particularly when it comes to the stories that have been told about Area 51 as a place where alien spacecraft is hidden and being reversed, engineered.
Speaker 4:They denied Area 51 for years, and now it's common knowledge.
Speaker 1:If I were to take a bet, a smoking gun artifact like that would never see the light of day in the public eye as so, as usual, the audience must decide upon the veracity of such a belief. Guys, any closing statements here?
Speaker 5:well, I think, uh, you know we talked about the baltic sea. Um, anomaly that right there, you know the public they're not telling the public everything and you know, listen to that episode. And um, because that could be a spacecraft on the bottom of the baltic sea floor is that?
Speaker 4:that's the one that eerily resembles the millennium falcon in star wars right yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I've not done, you know, as much research as I probably should on it, but you know, I've obviously seen. The imagery of it just reminded me of the millennium falcon in star wars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, they're saying it's a rock formation, but they don't know what's underneath it. So yeah, while the actual shape, the anomaly, could very well be rock, they don't know what's underneath it. They haven't been able to test enough or get enough of a sounding or a measurement to determine what is underneath it.
Speaker 4:Coincidentally, Joe, they never do, do they?
Speaker 1:No, but the hypothesis being that the rock formation is on top of something else, something perhaps artificial, whatever that might be. So, guys, obviously there are dozens, if not hundreds, of so-called out-of-place artifacts from all around the world, and we've only touched on a very few.
Speaker 4:It's a bunch of surface-small clothes on there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this was a quick discussion that, I think, focused on the clues, the physical remnants that reveal the possibility that our ancient ancestors had indeed come into contact with extraterrestrials. The common feature is that when we examine them more closely, we see that they are so exceptional that they may actually be more correctly called alien artifacts. Correctly called alien artifacts, they don't belong here on Earth. They don't belong on Earth for that point in time when they should have been constructed. So are they representative of a technology existing in the distant past as being more advanced than we've ever realized? And could they be the evidence that has been sought after? That provides proof of alien intelligence? And I suppose we have to say, only time will tell.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you're correct, joe. Time may one day reveal other artifacts which we talked about. That will make the heads of archaeologists just spin. So, aaron, hey, it was indeed a pleasure to have you join us again for another intriguing topic, and we could talk about this all night, I know, but all talk about this all night, I know, but all three of us are quite tired. But thank you for taking the time out for you and from your busy schedule and and from going to bed at a decent hour to come on a podcast but but yeah, give us your final thoughts and a real quick one, laurie.
Speaker 4:As you were saying about the artifacts becoming on on earth, they were to. As you were saying about the artifacts becoming unearthed over time, it's interesting that, as the ice sheets are starting to melt in Antarctica, there's talk of, you know, anomalous artifacts, sort of you know poking their head through the ice sheets as we speak. So, you know, as the ice melts, only one can imagine what's going to happen.
Speaker 1:Like I said time will tell yeah, it's been a pleasure guys. Oh yeah, I was just saying it was a pleasure having you on, aaron, as always. And for anyone out there who hasn't already done so, check out Aaron's social media pages and follow him on his Facebook page, ancient Astronaut Theory, where he posts a post I should say a post of athora of insightful and intriguing stories page, ancient Astronaut Theory, where he posts a plethora of insightful and intriguing stories from all over the world about these tremendous discoveries that are being made every day in the field of ufology. So that will do it for us tonight. We hope you enjoyed the show and that you will ponder the possibilities as to the otherworldly origins of these relics that we've discussed.
Speaker 1:And on our next episode, uh, laura, you and I are going to go over the appearing and disappearing monoliths that have been seen around the world kind of a recent phenomena. Our listeners have been requesting that we uh do a show about them and we will do just that for the next one. So until then, send us a message on our website, alien talk podcastcom. Check out our Facebook page and watch our most recent YouTube video about the Vatican archives Very interesting, and we also have our book trailer uploaded to the YouTube page as well.
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