Alien Talk Podcast
Alien Talk Podcast
Unacknowledged Special Access Programs (USAP)
Could we be at the dawn of a new era of transparency in extraterrestrial matters? As we navigate the intriguing crossroads of politics and UFO disclosure, our conversation extends to the potential implications of the U.S. Space Force on national security and space exploration. We critically examine the previous administration's handling of aerial security threats and the unsettling presence of unidentified drones near military installations, calling for a much-needed increase in government transparency regarding these mysterious occurrences.
Unveiling the layers of media coverage and secrecy, we ask whether a bombshell revelation about unacknowledged special access programs related to extraterrestrial life would truly captivate public attention. With Luis Elizondo's cautious approach to the UFO phenomenon as our guide, we discuss the importance of technical analysis of narratives such as the oft-ignored UFO sightings in Ukraine. The conversation further explores how rational perspectives can help differentiate genuine UFO encounters from misidentified objects, highlighting the broader implications of government secrecy.
Our journey through advanced UAP propulsion concepts takes us to the cutting edge of extraordinary technologies and their potential to revolutionize our understanding of physics. With insights from Bob Lazar and Elizondo, we ponder the possibilities of reverse engineering extraterrestrial crafts and the secretive nature of government research programs. A fascinating encounter at a Tucson conference adds an element of mystery, inviting questions about hidden agendas and unspoken truths. As we close this episode with warm holiday wishes, we stress the importance of staying informed and curious about the hidden dimensions of government oversight and intelligence.
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Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk Podcast. This is the show where we discuss all things about aliens and UFOs and, as always, we push the limits of our understanding. Joe Landry and Laurie Olford here once again to seek out the truth and find the facts pertaining to the highly discussed issues about extraterrestrial life and the existence of UFOs. The two of us are back after going through what many folks have been dealing with these last couple of weeks, and that is colds and sinus congestions. If you can't tell that, I'm pretty stuffy right now.
Laurie:Yeah, I think I'm a little bit more over it than you, but yeah, we would have had this episode out earlier this week. But yeah, we lost our voices. So it's about every three years around the Thanksgiving season that I get these severe allergies and that leads to major nasal infections for me, and this year was really bad. So, yeah, I lost my voice last week and over the weekend and I just got it back before returning to work this week. I had no fever, but I did have a sore throat, ears and lots of disgusting phlegm.
Joe:Yeah, I had a pretty nasty, consistent cough like you, no fever but congested and phlegmy, just nasty, and it's rare for me to get sick, so there's something going around, but I think I'm mostly past it. So, anyway, it is worth mentioning something. We can't just pretend to be ignorant about it, and while we generally avoid politics on this show, we also don't live under a rock. We must acknowledge the significant national election that just took place here in the United States. This election will lead to a major shift in policies around the entire spectrum of government, affecting all aspects of our lives.
Joe:Now, President-elect Donald Trump is going to change a lot of things and we're going to see them at all levels, from local to state to federal government, and those changes, I believe, will be for the better. I realize some folks may be upset at hearing this, but there is little doubt, regardless of what you may think of Donald Trump, that he is the most transparent public figure in our culture right now. During his first administration, he was consistently direct about many issues, which we know from his daily and sometimes hourly Tweets. So if there's ever going to come a time when there will be most likely a full disclosure for the public concerning UFO and UAP programs. I think it will most likely be under him as president.
Laurie:Yeah, let's hope so, and I believe it will too. And I mean, yeah, his tweets I mean you're speaking facts and you know his tweets could have been, they were annoying at some times, but I mean he did establish the Space Force back in 2019. And we have to wonder why that is Like, why does an entirely separate military branch carry out by its own mission statement, securing our interests in and from and to space? Right, like, what does Donald Trump know about space as part of our national security? You've got to ask why. And the establishment of an entity like this signifies a major shift from conventional leadership within the military-industrial complex that we have seen in the past, and we have all observed that the outcomes of a Trump presidency are unpredictable. With Elon Musk and Vivek Ramasamy now potentially at the helm of the newly disposed Department of Government Efficiency, I always want to say it's like government or a general electric, but fondly referred to as the doge, and you know we can anticipate remarkable changes on the horizon, hopefully.
Laurie:And you know, joe, one thing about the previous administration, the Biden administration that I think a lot of people can come to agree on, and that is it did not handle the issue of unknown objects or foreign objects being in our airspace. I mean, just take the Chinese spy balloon from almost two years ago now. The response to the situation was it was alarmingly slow. And I mean that could have been a nuclear bomb that could have been dropped from that balloon. And not only was there a very long delay but it also seemed like there was a lack of a full understanding about what was happening in real time. And the object traveled all the way across North America before it was finally shot down over the Atlantic Ocean. So it moved from one coast to the other without the White House even acknowledging the you know the potential security threat there.
Joe:Yeah, I agree. They seem to barely say it was even up there in the sky. And then, you know, there were those two objects that were tracked in Michigan along the Canadian border, like a week after the Chinese spy balloon incident, and they were fired upon by our fighter jets. We still don't know what those were. It was said that they were of unknown origin and that they were not likely a threat, but nothing more, and the media just moved on from it and didn't give it any more coverage. Now most people would struggle to remember that these events even occurred.
Joe:There have also been reports of, you know, large drones being spotted across the country, near military bases and nuclear facilities all over the country, with no clear information about their purpose or who is flying them. This situation has been ongoing for years, yet the mainstream media has remained silent. In Morris County, new Jersey, these drones have been repeatedly seen for 10 months this, according to the New York Times, dated just this week, December 7th, and many were recorded on people's cell phones. Still, there have been no new stories, no significant ones, or official statements from the FAA regarding the presence of so many drones. Some of them have been seen by near Langley Air Force Base in Virginia, a very large and highly visible military installation. There is no comment from the government about what these drones are, what they're doing and who is behind them, and these aren't even typical consumer drones that you can buy at Walmart or off of Amazon. These are the large, military-grade drones and, as of now, there is no information available about who is operating them or why they're in the area. The FBI and the DHS are looking into it, and there's even a hotline set up, but overall, it's a big mystery, so it may be a little premature to speculate, but I believe that, as a society, we will witness revelations about covert programs that we never anticipated and, with the rise of DOGE, some of these programs might be at a risk of exposure right.
Joe:However, without straying too far into political opinions, we should mention that we both attended a conference focused on the very topic that we've just been discussing now, and that is unacknowledged special access programs, or USAPs, and this term is essentially a way of saying that only a select few individuals are aware of something very significant and they remain silent about it. Overall, this ties into the larger issue of UAP disclosure. So, anyway, the conference that you and I attended was at the Rialto Theater in Tucson on November 3rd and it was presented by none other than Luis Elizondo, who most of you know from his TV appearances on Ancient Aliens, the UFO Files, the Unexplained and others. He is an Army veteran, a former program manager with the Department of Defense, as well as a special agent for counterintelligence whose top responsibilities were the investigation of unidentified anomalous phenomena, and part of the Pentagon UAP Task Force, now under the name of AIMSOG. So it was quite an event. He's an excellent and very informative speaker.
Laurie:So it was quite an event. He's an excellent and very informative speaker. Yeah, and the timing of it, right before the election, seems to follow a paradigm that has been taking place over the, an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth that the government has always known about. Luis Elizondo has been a big proponent of that push to demystify the US AP or UAP programs, UFO programs, and one aspect that he has always impressed me about him is his comprehensive understanding of how our officials manage and handle Defense Department programs, and he has a pragmatic and efficient approach to managing and presenting this information.
Joe:Yeah for sure, and disclosure of UFO and UAP and what is called non-human intelligence are covered on a lot of podcasts, even ones that aren't about aliens, like this one. Joe Rogan has had expert guests to talk about on his show, and one topic that has stirred up considerable attention is the 2023 congressional testimony by David Grush. Some of you may have heard about it, but since it occurred only about 18 months ago, it has largely been overlooked by the press and the mainstream media. This is especially true given the extensive coverage of the past election year and near daily developments in the presidential race. So, with a constant focus on the ongoing Trump-Biden-Kamala Harris saga dominating the news, it's understandable.
Joe:Some of you may not be familiar with Grush's testimony. Anyway, David Grush is a former Air Force intelligence officer and he testified under oath before the House Oversight Committee last July about information he obtained from documents that record the recovery operation of a spacecraft of non-human origin. Of non-human origin, and this report to which he alluded was about something that took place all the way back in 1933. It laid out the findings from Mussolini's Italy, in which this alien spacecraft had been secretly recovered and taken to an unknown location, and at the end of World War II. It was given over to the Allies with corroboration from the Vatican and eventually was brought to the US.
Laurie:Yeah, and to hear that that blew my mind because I never even heard about that until that evening.
Laurie:But yeah, Grush, along with Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot, have claimed that the aerospace industry has been collaborating with the government to reverse engineer unidentified flying objects, UFOs.
Laurie:The discovery of a spacecraft in Italy, which was later handed over to the US, predates the Roswell incident. However, it aligns with reports of earlier US military contact with extraterrestrials well before the famous 1947 event. While there is nothing new about these assertions, if Grush is accurate regarding the documents he has seen, then this would represent the only known record of an international UFO program prior to the Cold War era. So, unsurprisingly, the Department of Defense denies the existence of any such documents. So Luis Elizondo discussed the issues of incompetence and deliberate misinformation often shared with the public to prevent disruptions to our way of life and belief systems, and he highlighted that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls was kept secret for over 10 years because, you know, academic and government officials feared that it would challenge traditional religious beliefs and cause unrest. And this raises the perception that, you know, certain information is selectively withheld from the public because if it were to discover such information, there would be methods at their disposal to help deny away quote-unquote, its existence.
Joe:Well, unfortunately, people's trust in the media and in government information is at an all-time low right now. You know I mentioned this many times before. You know the topic of alien life and alien technology is not the most bizarre or the most extraordinary concept out there. In today's age, the idea of aliens, I think, sits more comfortably with people than the belief that our traditional sources of information, often referred to as the legacy media, are accurate and trustworthy. Many people feel misled by these institutions and are increasingly likely to question the information that they provide.
Laurie:Well, when we discussed the possibility of a shadow government a few months ago, I believe that idea resonates more with people now, given what we have learned and observed regarding the existence of a deep state in our country. Yeah, I think you're right about that. I mean, not too long ago, the notion of a secret cabal, a shadow government and the Illuminati all being at work behind the scenes would be chalked up to be mostly being conspiracy theories of certain individuals and entities. And we know about George Soros and Julian Assange, as well as the significant impact of the big tech on politics and the control of information. And it is evident that the deep state exists and wields considerable power in shaping our society and the way we behave within our ideologies. Now more than ever, people believe that there are agents working behind the scenes, and many of them may not have our best interests at heart.
Joe:You have to wonder just what kind of coverage the media would give if there was a major incident that went public concerning unacknowledged special access programs. I think they would give very little attention to it. Honestly, if there was an event in which proof of the existence of alien life here on Earth found somewhere in the United States or anywhere in the world, if it was disclosed with irrefutable evidence such that there is no doubt in anyone's mind that it is real, I don't think it would get that much attention. Indisputable evidence such that there is no doubt in anyone's mind that it is real, I don't think it would get that much attention. Or it would get some, but it would be glossed over by other things. An event like LeBron James, the basketball player, maybe going to visit Donald Trump in Mar-a-Lago I think that would get more coverage.
Laurie:I'm not kidding. Yeah, you might be right there, joe, and I think if Trump pushed off that meeting to go and make contact with the alien leaders, the headlines would be mentioning something like Trump snubs LeBron James to meet with a bigger dignitary on the world stage. Yeah, but that's what the mainstream media does. It forms the narratives that are meant to get people to believe what is most important, and since the start of the war, there have been hundreds of UFO sightings in Ukraine. It is unclear whether these sightings are linked to military operations, but according to Spacecom, dated September 17, 2022, most of these sightings cannot be identified as drones or natural phenomena. However, this topic has not been covered by Western press sources at all.
Joe:Yeah, I mean, that kind of stuff seldom makes the news. Those two nations have been at war for going on three years. Like you said, the sightings of strange lights in the sky over Ukraine this happens on almost a weekly basis and they're not related so much to the military operations. They have no explanation for what these lights are. So they know what the drones are, they know what the missiles are. These lights are unknown objects, so that does not make the narrative at all, and when it does, it just gets, you know, pushed through with maybe a minute of some kind of commentary and then they move on to other topics. None of it fits the narrative, and that narrative is that the Biden administration is completely competent and that everything in this world is ship shape, no worries.
Joe:Now you know one thing about Luis Elizondo is that out of all the ufologists in the public eye, I think he's probably the one who refers the least to aliens. He certainly doesn't rule out the possibility of their existence, yet he doesn't immediately attribute, you know, uaps to extraterrestrial beings. Now, he did make a point at this conference to mention that it's essential to consider all of the facts and assessments, and he elaborated to everyone that there are over 206 trillion stars in our observable universe. So, yes, the observable universe. How large the unobservable universe is, we don't have the foggiest idea. But when you multiply that 600 sextillion by at least another 200 sextillion, you end up with something beyond any comprehension with the number of stars that exist and the number of planets that orbit them. So through deductive reasoning, it becomes clear that to claim that we are the only intelligent life on this planet, in the universe, is naive on its face. So Luis Elizondo definitely supports the belief in life on other worlds.
Laurie:Yeah, and he also mentioned brought up the Drake equation too, that the government actually has been looking into that. The Drake equation, too, that the government actually has been looking into that. And then he also mentioned that much of the information is kept from the public because even the US government doesn't fully understand it, and this suggests that they are withholding information. And if they don't know, then we shouldn't know either. So they release bits of information to keep the public calm and satisfied, because they don't want that civil unrest, which gives them time to figure these things out. And even if they did figure them out, I doubt they're going to present everything to the public anyway, but this is part of their strategy to protect our social fabric and beliefs, and you know, et cetera.
Joe:So I mean, you know, one thing I've always appreciated about Luis Elizondo is how he describes himself as a you know, quote, unquote nuts and bolts kind of guy, and he is primarily interested in understanding the technical aspects of how UAPs work, specifically what enables them to fly and maneuver, as well as how they may have come about through reverse engineering. And he is also very adept at pointing out that not everything that people think are UFOs truly are. Sometimes they are merely airplanes or helicopters or satellites or birds. And he admits that there's often a mistaken perception of what we see, and I kind of. I find that kind of straightforward, honest and rational thinking to be, you know, refreshing. I've always been kind of turned off by people who say that you know, the proof of UFOs and aliens is everywhere. You simply don't open your eyes. Well, when there isn't proof, we can't assume proof just because we want something to be true.
Laurie:Excellent point and he showed how an image that everyone in the audience thought just had to be a UFO hovering above the ground in some desert area had turned out after computer analysis to be actually not a UFO, and it was shown through photo comparisons and confined by some other people to be nothing more than a large military tent in that vicinity. So, yeah, I mean we have to be careful in our judgments, Right? Yeah, I mean we have to be careful in our judgments.
Joe:Right Now. He mentioned that there had been research going on since the 1960s to help our government grasp experts in the government grasp some of the physics behind these UAPs and they're outlined in official reports known as DIRT. Dirt is a Defense Intelligence Reference Document and some of the subjects that he put up there on his slide on the projector screen were pretty extraordinary. They covered subjects that sound quite otherworldly. A few of them were negative energy for warp bubbles, geometry of extra dimensions and quantum adjustment for propulsion.
Laurie:Yeah right, that was like we were attending a science fiction movie or event or something with all these things that he was mentioning, and all these entail the idea of scientists. You know finding ways to develop vehicles that are capable of instantaneous acceleration, thrust victory and enhance. You know maneuverability. You know all the mechanical kind of stuff Through unacknowledged special access programs, all the mechanical kind of stuff Through unacknowledged special access programs.
Laurie:There are numerous unexplained technological marvels currently being developed, indicating that those involved likely possess the knowledge and capabilities necessary to create them, and these advancements include hypersonic speeds and objects traveling up to 15,000 miles per hour, capable of stopping on a dime, movements that would be fatal for any human pilot. The government has a keen interest in the technology, primarily to achieve dominance, of course, on the battlefield, and our objective is not only to secure superiority in the skies but also to expand our reach into space, probably why we have this space force now, and this prompts the question of whether a secret space program exists, and how much information have they chosen to withhold over the years, hindering our ability to gain a deeper understanding.
Joe:Well, he also brought up a concept that we've heard before. It's the statement that is a reference to a public statement that was given by Bob Lazar. If you recall, he's that whistleblower who said that he worked in Area 51. I think he came out and gave a statement in the early 90s and he said he had direct knowledge of the military reverse engineering alien spacecraft.
Joe:Well, elizondo explained that the behavior of UAPs, characterized by their instantaneous acceleration and deceleration, indeed challenges Newtonian laws of motion. He proposed that the concept of a warp bubble and this refers to a localized area where the space-time continuum is distorted and this distortion results in extremely high and instant changes in velocity, both increases and decreases. According to Einstein's theory of relativity, the greater the mass of an object, the more it curves the surrounding space, leading to a proportional increase in gravitational pull. Therefore, if UAPs function like propulsion units that warp space, it could account for this unusual travel and maneuvering patterns that we see, that seem to defy the laws of physics and potentially involving a concentration of quantum gravity within a specific point in space.
Laurie:Certainly, and researchers are actively exploring the potential for warping space-time in localized regions through the influence of mass and energy. And Bob Lazar mentioned that the military is developing a type of engine capable of bending space, allowing for incredible speeds and acceleration, and he indicated that this is achieved through the conversion of a substance known as the element 115. And Elizondo also discussed this concept, noting that there are two primary methods to achieve space-time warping applying a significant amount of energy and manipulating the mass.
Joe:Yeah, and the concept of creating this bubble within such a vehicle allow it to be contained so that it would be a highly localized quantum gravity that could bend space and make the move of the vehicle at high velocity and acceleration, seemingly, like I said, to disobey the laws of physics.
Joe:And that is because the laws of classical physics are indeed being disobeyed within that bubble, just as they would within a singularity, and of course, this would require a lot of energy to do this, to be able to make this bubble so that it would bend space and this is relativity at work, not Newtonian mechanics and the larger the craft, the more expansive the bubble would need to be. And likewise you can have multiple bubbles that could be interconnected. And he relates this in insights regarding the propulsion of UFOs that have been frequently observed over the last 80 years, and seems to think that the lights visible on these craft are integral to their propulsion units. Elizondo highlighted that the various sizes and shapes of the crafts that are typically seen, such as triangular ones featuring three lights and boomerang-shaped ones that can reach lengths of up to 200 feet. They may possess six or more lights.
Laurie:Yeah.
Laurie:So he described about four or five different basic shapes of UAPs, which are circles or spheres, disks or cylinders, which in turn are the engines or the propulsion drives of the spacecraft, which are related to the appearances of warp bubbles.
Laurie:So with a single bubble, the UAP will appear to be a circle, like a sphere. Then if there are two of them coupled together, it will look like a disc or a cylinder, and if there are three of them joined as one, then you get a triangular-shaped object, and then, with four, there is something like a diamond or a square, and if there are five or more, the arrangement becomes like a boomerang-shaped UAP. Now, obviously, a craft with a whole of these bubbles would be like an airplane with multiple engines, and it would be large. This analogy is consistent with the reported sightings of boomerang-shaped UAPs that are described as being extremely large. I mean, just take the Phoenix Lights incident, hit at about eight lights, and there were statements from witnesses who claimed that they were part of a large, a very large object moving overhead, and it too was in the shape of a boomerang.
Joe:Yeah, and I thought that was a very sensible and logical way to explain how UAPs are shaped as well as to hypothesize the way that they are propelled, using principles that are alternative to what is conventionally understood through the normal laws of motion and the conservation of momentum and mass.
Joe:And he seemed to suggest that these UAPs are very likely of human origin.
Joe:Perhaps there was reverse engineering from something that was extraterrestrial, possibly, but he seemed to allude to how our government is working on these technologies and he really didn't come across like he was all too concerned with attributing UAPs to aliens. He wants to understand how they work and he is quite comfortable with postulating that they are for the most part, human-made. And I remember toward the end of the presentation, when he opened up the forum to questions from the audience, there was one lady who was somehow fixated on jinn you know those shape-shifting spirits from Islamic lore We've talked about them in previous episodes and I guess she was trying to inquire if there is a correlation between the appearance of these UAP light formations and gin, and he was not at all interested in getting into that topic of spirits and gods with her. He wasn't going to have it. I think that's when he commented on like, reiterated that he is a nuts and bolts guy and that everyone you know has their own religious interpretation of things, isn't entitled to their own beliefs.
Laurie:But yeah, he wasn't going to touch that subject with a 10-foot pole yeah, and I believe you were looking at me and you're telling me you wanted to know the answer of where are these things from, like, where do they originate from? But we're like, well, we're not going to ask him because he's obviously, he obviously doesn't know that the answer to that question because, like you said, he's all about the nuts and bolts. But yeah, and that one lady, she seemed like you know she wanted to give her own presentation to him about the different types of gin. After that, you know that there are, and you know, like lady you're, you're hogging the mic. Let the next person ask the question. We all pay like 40 bucks to listen to Luis Elizondo speak about only knowledge, special access programs, and you pay disclosure. But you know, go ahead and tell everybody in the auditorium all you know about Jen, right.
Joe:Yeah, because we're just dying to hear what you some person have to say about Jen. I mean, nobody cares one bit. Yeah, because we're just dying to hear what you some person have to say about Jen. I mean, nobody cares one bit. Yeah, so annoying.
Joe:But you know, there was something else about the question and answer part that struck me as a little odd, and that is someone was there walking up to the microphone to talk and Elizondo immediately recognized him and he blurted right out. I know you, yeah, that was weird, won't reveal the individual's name, but it turns out that he is a former CIA officer. Elizondo acknowledged him publicly as someone who played a crucial role in the activities of AERO, which stands for All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, essentially another name for the UAP task force. But this raises the question why was a former CIA member, who was involved in unacknowledged special access programs, attending a conference here in Tucson that was intended for the general public, who are usually unaware of such things, where we're lay people trying to get information from an expert like Luis Elizondo? And if he really is on the inside, what was the purpose of his presence at this event? Why was he there?
Laurie:Yeah, I thought that was weird and a little bit strange. And, yeah, good point. And you know, while Elizondo gave kudos to him in front of everybody, he also didn't seem all that happy to see him, almost a little taken aback by it. I think, you know, the man inquired whether he believed the appropriate individuals had been chosen to participate in Arrow, which succeeded the earlier program, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. And you know, was this intended to as some sort of a setup Like? Was this person there to monitor Elizondo and ensure he didn't, you know, disclose anything he shouldn't? I mean, I'm uncertain.
Joe:Yeah right, I mean he definitely looked like he wasn't expecting that. He seemed surprised. He kind of handled it well and just kind of moved along. But you can tell he just was kind of thrown by that and he just said, I know you, and kind of paused. And then the guy just kind of stood there at the mic and he kind of just said, well, you know great to see you, and what question do you have? And then the guy just kind of stood there at the mic and he kind of just said, well, you know great to see you, and what question do you have. And then you know he said he went into that and again, like what's Luis Elizondo supposed to say? He's going to give you know the party line.
Joe:You know, really, I don't think a lot of those people even asked very good questions. Just my opinion. Of course I did want to go up there and ask, like you said, about the extraterrestrial connection to this. What do we know about that, this reverse engineering aspect? What do we know about a spacecraft?
Joe:We're hearing these testimonies on Capitol Hill and whistleblowers. I was going to put them on a kind of on the spot and say what can you tell us at all. If anything and you know what things we call non-Earth or non-human technologies, which we've been working with with these whistleblowers have been claiming more precisely the question we all want to know are aliens real? And, like you said, I doubt he would have given an answer. I think he would have probably gave me the same response he gave to the lady talking about gin he's glossed over it and wouldn't have touched it with a 10-foot pole and just would have simply said you know, we don't have enough information at this point to speculate on that and I'm not at liberty to disclose it. So I'm interested in what his response would have been if he was asked that question.
Laurie:Yeah, I was kind of disappointed in that because I was looking forward to maybe hearing about where these things are from and you know, and some more information about aliens and which group of aliens are visiting us. And that's kind of disappointing when I heard him say that he was a nuts and bolts type of guy. But I mean, I respect that too, but you know, he just wouldn't give, you know, he wouldn't have given a direct answer. And I think someone did ask him about the existence of the ETs and he pretty much dodged it. So that's why we were like, yeah, okay, but you know, during this time I believe it was the last person, perhaps the second, to last inquired about Elizondo's thoughts on something referred to as immaculate constellation, and Elizondo promptly interrupted stating okay, you know, stop right there, I can't proceed any further on this topic, I cannot discuss that matter. And this left us all wondering and you know, you and I looked at each other and we're like what the heck is immaculate constellation?
Joe:Yeah, that was the first I've ever heard about it. Yeah, he definitely shut it down abruptly and it is difficult to speculate what exactly it is, since there is rather little information about it. Elizondo didn't bring it up for discussion. It was an audience member who mentioned it and, just like that, nothing more was said about it. So naturally, you and I had to research what it was. This immaculate I keep wanting to say immaculate conception, immaculate constellation. You know what we discovered? It was rather astonishing. So you can look it up. There is a memo random that's on I believe it's the housegov website and there's an 11-page memo from US Representative Nancy Mace as the same one who was in the middle of that now Capitol Hill transgender bathroom issue. She also wrote after the David Grush disclosure hearing and, like I said, that PDF of that report is available online and it's loaded with acronyms and it's rather nebulous and cryptic.
Laurie:Right, and I actually believe that's 11 pages. I think that's out of a multi-year internal investigation into the subjects of unidentified anomalous phenomena, uap, technologies of unknown origin, teos and non-human intelligence, nhis, and this information was undertaken in response to urgent and credible threats to the public good and safety of the United States of America. Now, after reading this far, I wondered well, what the heck? And then I read the results of this investigation are deeply disturbing and elements of the US executive branch have conspired to prevent the US legislative branch from exercising its lawful powers of governance with respect to the UAP, too and NHI issues. Now she goes on to state that the executive branch has been controlling UAP slash NHI issues without informing Congress or obtaining its authorization for decades, and that this criminal conspiracy kept the elected government and its citizens ignorant of profound discoveries and dire threats originating from the existence of UAP, nhi and their technologies.
Joe:Right. So whatever immaculate constellation is, it sounds like it's a big deal and it sounds like it's a hot button and it sounds like it could get some people in some hot water. Whatever it is, it sounds like a big old cover up that a lot of people on Capitol Hill probably a lot of people and even the White House don't know about, and they're kind of upset right now. So for those of you hearing about this for the first time, you know, representative mace uh described immaculate constellation as an unknown special access program. It was established following luis alizando's public disclosure of these two programs um. They're long acronyms, but it was back in 2017. The acronyms they stand for the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and then the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Programs. Its primary mission is to examine images and are you there, joe?
Joe:yeah, I am. Um, what? What happened, I don't know? A little glitch there, but uh, we're still on. So so where was I here? Yeah, I was just talking about you know.
Joe:The primary mission was to examine imagery intelligence and this is Luis Elizondo, his role of UAPs and things called reproduction vehicles utilizing tasks and untasked military intelligence resources. So Immaculate Constellation acts as a nexus for collecting, analyzing and disseminating intelligence on the activities, capabilities and locations of anomalous aerospace threats from foreign and unidentified sources operating around the globe in sensitive locations. Operating around the globe in sensitive locations. In one section, it shows that the US government is aware not only of UAPs and TUO, but also of foreign state efforts to replicate them, mostly China and Iran and Russia. The data within Immaculate Constellation reveals the capacity of the US Armed Services and Military Intelligence Community to detect, track, identify and engage anomalous trans and medium platforms. So it's a lot of really super high-tech babble there, things that we haven't heard about really until recent times. But, like you out before, this sounds like something from star trek. Um, so I don't know, immaculate constellation might just be another name for a government ufo research program yeah and um.
Laurie:Yeah, we're sorry about that glitch there earlier, but you know, um, but absolutely and uh, I'm more convinced than ever that the government is waist deep in alien technology and the reverse engineering of it. This document provides detailed and I mean detailed explanations of various types of crafts, including the orbs, the disks, the triangles, the boomerangs. They even have like something referred to as like jellyfish shapes and, of course, you can't forget the tic-tac shape, and all, just like Elizondo said, it covers everything from their sizes to their speeds and maneuverability, and this document is definitely worth reading. The 11 pages will definitely pique your curiosity.
Joe:Yeah, and it's certainly typical of a DOD kind of report that you would expect to find. I think next time maybe we'll get more into the nature of immaculate constellation as best we can in our topic for next time, which will be about something called NHI non-human intelligence. It is a bit of an off-putting phrase. What do we mean by non-human intelligence? Is it alien intelligence? Not necessarily it could be, but it could also be other things.
Laurie:Well, it is, and we've all heard of it in the way you know AI artificial intelligence, in which computer software is capable of perceiving its environment, applied learning and memory processes to build comprehension about it and executing decisions so as to interact with it. Of course, we would like to know if the government has discovered extraterrestrial intelligence and if that is what is being referred to in documents like that of the Immaculate Constellation.
Joe:So that will be our topic for next month, in January, as we start off 2025. So we want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a happy and joyous holiday season. Please be safe everyone and be of good cheer. Let us all enjoy the holidays with our families and friends.
Laurie:Yeah, and also stay engaged. Check out the information on some of these issues that we've talked about here, especially with some of these oversight and intelligence hearings that have been taking place on Capitol Hill, and there is more to our government than meets the eye, that is for certain, and many things are being concealed that they don't want us to know about. So, anyway, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, folks.
Joe:Yeah, and so with that, remain informed and, like always stay curious.
