Alien Talk Podcast
Alien Talk Podcast
Non-Human Intelligence (NHI)
Could the rapid rise of artificial intelligence systems like ChatGPT and Meta AI be the result of reverse-engineered alien technology? As we mark our monumental 100th episode, we dare to question everything we thought we knew about the intersection of non-human intelligence and our very own mental processes?
We explore the possibility that government's secret UFO and UAP programs, are tied to the advancements in AI and the potential origins with extraterrestrial technologies. By drawing parallels to science fiction, we ponder the implications of creating systems that might outsmart humans. Is our dependency on AI leading us towards a future shaped by unseen hands? We speculate that AI will profoundly impact our lives, and that alien influences may be a guiding force.
In our quest, we dive into UFO recoveries and the astonishing claims of non-human pilots. The enigma of the Oumuamua asteroid and its potential as an alien probe adds another layer to our exploration of the mystery. As we unravel the threads of higher consciousness and the evolution of human knowledge, we reflect on the transformative potential—and risks—of AI and what may come from it. Join us as we examine our past, challenge the present, and anticipate the future of non-human intelligence.
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Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us on Alien Talk Podcast. This is the show where we discuss all things about aliens and UFOs and, as always, we push the limits of our understanding. Joe Landry and Laurie Oldford here once again to seek out the truth and find the facts pertaining to the highly discussed issues about the fascinating prospects of extraterrestrial life and the existence of UFOs. We're back with you at the beginning of the new year. 2025 is now upon us and we expect it to be an exciting time. I really think it will be so. Happy New Year to all of you, and we hope that it was a nice holiday season for everyone out there.
Laurie:Yeah, the year went by very quickly and I'm sure many others agree with me that 2024 really is almost like a blur. The month of December just flew by. It seemed like the holidays were upon us before we knew it, but certainly it was a festive time and, as always, it was a great time to be around family and friends. Hopefully it was the same for all of you. So, this is a milestone episode, Joe, like you said, and it's one that seemed very far off when we first started the show Almost inconceivably actually and that is this being our 100th episode.
Joe:That's right, Laurie, we've hit our centennial.
Joe:It is hard to believe, I know.
Joe:Looking back to when we began this podcast three and a half years ago going on four years, which was back in April of 2021, we were inspired by a rather simple goal, and that was to share our insight and knowledge that we've obtained from our own investigative as well as religious backgrounds, to let others get a chance to explore the same understanding about the ancient alien theory in the way that we did, and our approach has always been to ask the questions and see where the evidence takes us, in the hopes of advancing our understanding of these mysteries, our comprehension of them. So, indeed, 2021 seems like a pretty long time ago now, doesn't it? But we have really expanded the format of the program to cover a lot of various topics, not just those about ancient alien astronauts, but subjects like the existence of interdimensional beings, the immortality of our consciousness, the mythological connotations to the beliefs of contacts with extraterrestrial life and vice versa. And we've also dabbled in quite a few famous UFO stories and some impactful current events that have been big in the latest news headlines.
Laurie:Yeah, and we want to thank all of our listeners, of course, for sticking with us and who made it possible for us to reach 100 episodes that have been downloaded in 168 countries by over 300,000 people, touching every continent in the world now. And, man, that is a lot of research that we have done over the past four years. Remember when you and I started, we were airing this once a week, like every Sunday, so I guess we just had more free time back then. I don't know. I don't know how we did it. Even today, I'm like how did we get through that?
Joe:Yeah, that's right. I don't know. I don't know how we did it. Even today, I'm like how did we get through that? Yeah, that's right, I don't either.
Laurie:Yeah, I mean that changed and you know we went to doing it every other week, twice a month, and and now we're lucky to get an episode done once every month. So that is a testimony to how both of our lives have become busier since 2021. Is a testimony to how both of our lives have become busier since 2021.
Laurie:Yeah, and I don't know if that is good or not, but it is you folks out there who have motivated us to keep doing what we do, and I suppose the question that some people may have is you know, how long are you guys going to keep doing the podcast? Well, that's hard to say now that 100 episodes are under our belt. Well, we have to wonder just how long does one keep something like this going right? The simple answer may be whenever we run out from getting into doing a podcast where the subjects are covered on all things about aliens, UFOs is that there seems to be a never-ending plethora of topics and stories that come to the surface and are worthy of a good bit of serious dialogue, and we may not have yet covered all things about UFOs and aliens, but we have gone into a lot of it.
Joe:Well, yeah, I mean, we are now stretching out the time between the airing of the episode, so maybe, in that regard, less is more and that we are able to delve a little more thoroughly into a concept or a narrative and give people more opportunity to fully listen to it before the next one comes out. And you're right, there is always something new to touch on. So I don't know, I think we plan on doing this until the internet shuts down or something, and podcasting is no longer around. Who knows? Like you said, Laurie, it is a lot of research, but we enjoy learning about all of it and presenting it to everyone in this forum. Let's just say, for right now, we plan on going through 2025. And don't forget that we also run some of our shows on YouTube, so you can anticipate that as well. In our repertoire of discussions. For tonight, we want to get into the idea of something that is called non-human intelligence, or NHI.
Joe:Now, the first thought that comes to mind, of course, is aliens, ets, because the intelligence they possess would certainly not be human. However, when we get into the semantics and theory of NHI, we find that it explains a whole lot more than just extraterrestrial intelligence and extraterrestrial life forms. Certainly we've all heard of AI, which is artificial intelligence, which is the capacity that computer software systems have so as to execute functions in a manner that resembles that of human decision-making, problem-solving, cognitive judgment and communication using language. It has actually been around for decades in various forms. Just take voice recognition, you know, like speak-to-type and music synthesizers, or also robotic assembly lines. Those have been around for a while now. Even the Google search engine can be considered a form of AI. Then there is also something that you can call ultra-intelligence or higher intelligence, which would imply some form of consciousness or awareness throughout the universe that is only perceivable in a select way, or even in an esoteric way.
Laurie:Yeah, and the term, you know, encompasses several discrete concepts, including artificial intelligence, extraterrestrial intelligence, animal intelligence and anything considered intelligent, in that it transcends the human brain, at least in an abstract, and artificial intelligence pertains to how computers can be taught to exhibit and apply human-like cognitive and operational capabilities, ultimately, you know, enabling them to perform tasks at a higher, surpassing or at a higher level surpassing that of even the most intelligent humans. And all of us are prone to make mistakes, errors, incorrect judgments due to being confused or having flawed sensory inputs, and misperceptions. One cutting-edge aspect of this field is something called artificial superintelligence, asi, which is a more advanced system that can think a trillion times faster than humans, with less chance of mistakes being made. Not only that, but ASI holds the potential for its algorithms to design, maintain and govern itself, which actually sounds a little scary.
Laurie:We are witnessing the emergence of this technology unfold before our very eyes, and actually it is an extraordinary, complex and highly technical concept, and we could spend an entire episode just talking about the artificial intelligence systems that are out there and how they are taking the place of human thinking and cerebral processes, especially in areas like cybersecurity, for example, and also in virtual reality, and graphic animation, like with the CGI we see in the movies. It can even handle sensory information like sight and sound. It can generate voice and move objects around. So artificial intelligence can take the place of actual human essence. We've all seen it demonstrated, and not just in the way that machines have always been able to take on our work. AI is machines acting and processing data more like we do. As the old saying goes, when it comes to computers garbage in, garbage out. So clearly human ingenuity, cognition and mental ability are vital to the proper operation of artificial intelligence. You know, otherwise there is no real intelligence to it.
Joe:Right and a lot of the connotations that are implied from NHI or AI is that it's superior to ordinary human intelligence. A posteriori meaning in relation to empirical evidence, certainly, to give credit to computers is to give credit to the designers. We can see that microprocessors can execute more calculations and do it faster than our thought patterns can do it. The latest Intel Core and Pentium microprocessors that are found in IBM systems which run the Microsoft programs I think it is the Core i9. It's the latest update. It can perform 158 billion mathematical calculations per second. Now people can probably at best do three, maybe four per second if we're really sharp and quick. So, computers do what we do, but much, much faster, by a factor of billions.
Laurie:Yeah, and that's what machines do. They help us with the tasks that we're capable of accomplishing, but with more speed, volume, accuracy, repetition. Electrons move at the speed of light. Our mental processes do not, and obviously the human mind is what has designed the electronic circuits and algorithms that go into AI for it to do what it does, which perceive its environment and apply learning and memory in order to build the comprehension about it and to carry out the multiple functions, such as language, that interact with it in much that same way as a person.
Joe:Yeah, and we know that the language that is applied through computer upgrades and usage that can be both verbal and non-verbal, just as it is with people when we communicate with one another it can be verbal and non-verbal. So human cognitive processing is, a priori meaning from logical deduction more superior, yet the capabilities of AI exceed it, particularly in speed. So this leads us to conclude that without human intelligence there would be no artificial intelligence in computer software. This in turn leads us to ask if AI is the product of the human mind, then is our epistemology the product of something else? That something else, by its nature, whatever it is, can really only be considered an intelligence that is not human?
Laurie:Now, one of the colliery explanations of the ancient astronaut theory is the possibility of extraterrestrial invention with the evolution of our species, homo sapiens. So with that, a non-human intelligence may have been the cause for human intelligence. The same can be inferred from a spiritual perspective, in which a divine intelligence is responsible for the creation of the human brain, through which, you know, the mind is manifested. So could it be that this and extraterrestrial intelligence are one in the same thing? When we're talking about our own abilities of the mind, we can see that non-human intelligence takes on a larger and more profound meaning when understood through a spectrum of what can only be labeled as universal consciousness stood through a spectrum of what can only be labeled as universal consciousness, something that can be exhibited through different entities, depending upon one's belief system.
Joe:Right, like from a transcendental perspective, like with an Eastern mysticism, intelligence and consciousness is pervasive throughout everything in nature and goes far beyond anybody's ability to fully comprehend all that is, has and will take place. And we also get this in Western thinking from the religious doctrine of, say, Saint Thomas Aquinas, in which the very spirit of God, whose greatness and understanding exceeds anything that we think we could possibly know about the universe and truly what we do possess in such a capacity, is derived from our contemplation of the non-human intelligence that comes from a deity, for God alone is the source of all wisdom. So, yes, NHI does seem to be a cosmological model of the structure of knowledge and how it is conceived and implemented by humanity so as to serve a cosmological model of the structure of knowledge and how it is conceived and implemented by humanity so as to serve a greater purpose.
Laurie:Well, joe, you and I attended a Luis Elizondo conference a couple months ago November 3rd I think to be exact and the topic of non-human intelligence was brought up.
Laurie:Of course, we already mentioned that he had nothing to say about it or UAPs being related to anything mystical, spiritual, or supernatural. However, he did point it out as subject material found in the Pentagon's DIRDs, or Defense Intelligence Reference Documents these are official reports within the Defense Intelligence Agency that detail the research and investigation going on into many of the special access programs revolving around UFOs and UAPs, and these are the documentations of things that include quantum warp bubbles, negative power sources and trans dimensions. You know, stuff that most of us have never heard of, that is, quite literally, you know, out of this world. So, within the context of a lot of the other subject matter, the issue of NHI falls, the non-human intelligence falls within that of alien technology and something that has been referred to as non-human craft and non-human pilots slash non-human officers. So this seems to suggest that when we hear all the academic and military experts referencing non-human intelligence, they mean extraterrestrial, not something philosophical, but something very tangible and alive.
Laurie:Now, granted, a robot, or an android or a cyborg could all be things that have come here from beyond our planet and they would be considered non-living, but they also would not be of human design or human origin. So there is a viable connection between the ideals of advanced machine intelligence and our government's contact with alien spacecraft and alien beings. And there was something to that program or codename for some project that is called Immaculate Constellation, of which Elizondo didn't want to even speak a single word. But in looking at the congressional memorandum, some of which we read last time, it seems to at least allude somewhat to the idea of work being coordinated with non-human intelligence and non-Earth initiatives.
Joe:Yeah, elizondo hinted. That is exactly what is taking place, I remember, with the testimony given by the former Air Force intel officer, David Grush, in July of 2023, which was under oath he testified to the House Oversight Committee that biologics were part of the recovery of UFO wreckages and he said that with no ambiguity, that the bodies or parts of bodies found were non-human. And this is according to Bernardo Castro. With Debrief. O rg, it's dated January 6, 2024, oddly enough, almost exactly one year ago 2024. And this leads us, like many others, to speculate.
Joe:The Immaculate Constellation as you mentioned that may refer to a very highly, highly top- secret project that integrates an overall effort to reverse engineer. TUO, which is Technologies of Unknown Origin in concert with non-human intelligence, has been taking place for the past 80 years unbeknownst to the public. So, with the notion that the military-industrial complex has been working on systems built around applications related to extraterrestrial intelligence, does that mean that our ability to develop similar systems could be explained to us from learning from ETs? Could they have taught our engineers and technical experts how AI can be perfected to the point that we are now seeing it being implemented in our world? Did we benefit from AI by what may have been learned through that kind of reverse engineering.
Laurie:Well, that is an interesting thought.
Laurie:Considering how impactful computers have been on the overall evolution of human societies, particularly in the past 50 years, and especially so in the past 10 years, it's been absolutely astounding.
Laurie:The rise of artificial intelligence and how quickly we integrate it into our lives has always raised some questions. Are we moving so fast that we risk letting it spiral out of control? Are we at the right stage in our evolution to have AI in our everyday lives, or do we need to slow things down a bit to maintain control? And, most importantly, are we becoming too dependent on it? So it's amazing how advanced AI has become in our development as a species, and looking at the rapid advancement of AI makes me wonder about the truths. In James Cameron's Terminator 2: Judgment Day movie, you know, concepts that once seemed so far-fetched now appear to be on the brink of reality. I mean, are we headed toward a Judgment Day scenario like in that movie, where machines, cyborg, robots, possess most, if not all, of the characteristics that not only make something human but superior to humans? And this really isn't science fiction anymore, is it?
Joe:Yeah, so you know, the human brain is incredibly sophisticated and advanced, and from it you know, we have created AI which, as we've said, is able to do what we do just more persistently, without the psychological and physiological drawbacks that we, as life forms and organism, we must succumb to. We need food, water, sleep, comfort, contentment, emotional satisfaction. We get sick, we age, and we are not always accurate, reliable and enduring, at least not without a lot of effort. A computer is not affected by such parameters. It can do the same tasks consistently with the same degree of accuracy, precision and speed, and does not need to eat, drink, sleep or seek companionship to sustain itself. But what we're seeing in the advancement of AI is the tendency for computers to become so much like humans in how they operate that they're becoming programmed to exhibit things like consciousness, emotional sensitivity and situational awareness.
Joe:Take Siri, that system developed by Apple, or Alexa, made by Amazon Lab 126. These are called digital assistants, which use computer software to interface with people using sounds and voices. There's also Cortana by Microsoft. These are AI applications that have been around for more than a few years now. Watson is another one and, according to one of Amazon's press releases dated April 25th 2019,. These apps have increased from 1,000 function skills to over 90,000 function skills just between the years 2015 and 2019. And we're all familiar with them as we've seen them on TV commercials, advertised all over the place, and they can answer just about any question you come up with. We've seen those Siri and Alexa commercials. They can also turn things on and off just based off of what it knows of your learning patterns. It can learn your patterns of your daily life and execute functions like turning on off lights or on and off appliances. It knows when you go to bed. It knows when you come home from work. It is watching and interacting with you much like how another person would.
Laurie:That's funny. You should say that because we have Alexa in our house and I noticed yesterday that the screen was just black. So I was like, is it on? And then I just decided to ask alexa, are you asleep? And then it responded no, I'm wide awake, you know.
Laurie:Yeah, so, uh, strange, but I'm sure the inventors of that thing, the creation of it, thought of everything, or was it somewhat self-aware to know that this was something that was going to be a natural response for a human. You know what I mean. Yeah, it's a little scary, but yeah, and there are programs that can quite literally do your homework assignments too, like they can give complete explanations to complex questions and a whole bunch of what you would call cerebral tasks. ChatGPT is able to have conversations with people and write out speeches and paper, and I think Meta AI has an app that can recreate paintings and photographs to make something in it appear completely brand new as well as better looking. So we have to wonder if AI is ever going to get to a point where it completely and perfectly emulates human thought and behavior and maybe is even able to surpass us in that way.
Laurie:We essentially gave a brain, gave it a brain, so to speak, to a machine. Think about that. So we have made significant progress in our evolution quickly and deserve praise for our achievements. But this concept is reminiscent of the stories of the gods as understood through the ancient astronaut theory, in which it is proposed that a race of extraterrestrial beings had created humans far in the distant past to perform their task as slave species. If so, are we now becoming smarter than those said gods? We have developed computers that can think faster than we do and store all the world's information in, and we have created systems that retain information far more effectively than our minds can. At any moment, a computer might interpret certain actions as attacks and respond defensively. I mean, who's to say that an advanced computer system won't view humans as enemies someday and this scenario feels more plausible now than it ever did and AI could be the catalyst that triggers the next world war, potentially leading to a nuclear conflict.
Joe:Yeah, and that all illustrates how artificial intelligence from computers may fit into the bigger picture of what is called non-human intelligence. Our conceptualization of this NHI shows that it definitely transcends the schemata of our own minds and thus illuminating how human intellect is just one part of something else, something bigger. If you recall, how you know, a while back we discussed the notion of consciousness, and that you know, in the story of Ramanujan, the Indian mathematician who credited his own genius to divinity, specifically the goddess Mahalakshmi, and he claimed that she appeared to him in a dream and that drops of blood fell from her hands to the ground and from those appeared scrolls containing intricate calculus equations that he was able to decipher. So this is an example of how higher intelligence, from some other plane or dimension is at work and is imparting knowledge to the human mind.
Laurie:Well, and then there is also the question of non-human intelligence being found in animals or even plants. I mean, while an argument can be made that many different animal species exhibit the ability to perceive and respond to their environments from the processes of learning and decision-making, and even utilize some communication, it is quite evidence that it is not as sophisticated as ours. That has been quite easily demonstrated for as long as we've been around. So I think if there are levels to intelligence with something extraterrestrial out there being on the higher end, then animals would be on the lower end of it, and the same would be with plant life. Whenever we mean. So whatever we mean we say, you know they communicate or exhibit some kind of awareness. It is not the same way as we mean when we're referring to us.
Joe:Yeah, I've heard that hypothesis about plant species being able to communicate with each other through electrochemical signals that emanate in their leaves and roots and roots, and that single-celled protozoans can also exhibit behaviors that show semblance to communication or consciousness, and how they respond to different stimuli. And you're right. It's not language in the way we're conceptualizing it, in the way that we're talking about it, and it's more the processes of chemical reaction, following the laws of physics and the laws of nature. Within the cells of these organisms there are molecules that combine or break apart to result in molecules of different composition and structure, along with a release or an absorption of energy.
Joe:If there really is a universal intelligence that manifests itself in many ways, then it will be that there is a spectrum or a range in which some things have more of it than others, kind of like the force.
Joe:It is present everywhere and in everything, but some entities are able to tap into it and manipulate it to great extent, as we can with language, imagination and creativity and problem-solving and ethics imagination and creativity and problem solving, and ethics. With others very little, or maybe not at all. It's difficult to describe or illustrate these notions as they are very abstract, considering we don't have a concise definition of something like intelligence or consciousness, or even life itself, for that matter. We are only able to recognize it and identify it based off of certain traits and processes that are exhibited. We know when it is present and when it is not, and that's based on our own understanding of it, and a lot of that revolves around the idea of metaphysics and of individual faith. What life and consciousness and sentience and intelligence truly are, by any measure of a scientific definition of existence, it's still very much a mystery.
Laurie:Right. And of course, the chemical activity, following the laws of chemistry and physics, as you said, also takes place within all of the cells in our bodies, with nerves, blood, brain and heart all undergoing them, just like in the plant cells. Obviously, there is a big difference in the complexity between us and plants and microscopic organisms. You know we compared our computer system that has the proper right hardware installed is to be able to go online and access information that is from somewhere else out on the worldwide web. So what if our brains, like computers, are able to upload and download software, so to speak, along an energy field that permeates throughout the cosmos? Could this be the be analogous to internet cloud in the way that our minds define physical existence?
Joe:in his theoretical work in analytic psychology, with something he called the collective unconscious, in which there possibly exists a type of interconnectivity which binds our own psyche and intellect to something beyond our own minds, and he hinted that this is on the level where the mind of God is at work. He also expounded on this idea through something called synchronicity, in which meaningful experiences which may seem to lack concrete causation and we've all experienced these situations, I think, and we were just, you know, say we were thinking about someone we haven't seen or heard from in years, and then, maybe in just a matter of minutes, we come across them, bump into them at the mall, or we get a phone call or a letter from them. So, in a similar manner, we have to ask are we now able to connect our higher cognitive powers to the computers that we have created from out of our own minds?
Laurie:Well, you know, what do you think about this, Joe, like I've always wondered. You know that the saying is, when you die, people say that their lives flash before their eyes, like they start seeing their life from when they're young to you know, to the time they die, or whatever you know. Could that be some type of download, like your mind is now downloading all of these images and everything that it's gathered over all these years, you know, to take with you on your next journey, into the next life or wherever that may be? I mean, what do you? What do you think of that?
Joe:Yeah, that is an interesting analogy. I mean, we've all heard that of you know the expression of you know life flashing before your eyes and you know there's different ways to explain. Of you know the expression of you know life flashing before your eyes and you know there's different ways to explain that you know it just could be the trauma of whatever you're going through just makes you kind of go to a different point in your consciousness.
Joe:I don't know, I never had it happen to me, so I can't really get a firsthand account of it, but that does seem to be the theme. It does fit well with that notion of a higher consciousness, of something beyond our own human mind to which we tap, and that has been a theme throughout cultures since the beginning of time that there is a higher power, a higher plane to which we all connect to at some point, even though our, you know, our physical minds, or physical brains rather, are limited in how they can process information that would pertain to our conscious thinking. We're aware of, you know, know, what is happening in our environment, and it's almost like information and sensory overload. Our, our brain, for the most part, can only handle, at any given time, that to which we perceive from our senses. To be able to access or perceive that which is beyond our senses, uh, means that we have to go into a different state of consciousness which takes a certain measure of, I guess, meditation, contemplation, relaxation.
Joe:There are all kinds of different techniques that, um, you know, I've been taught of how you can, you know, you know, kind of attain that level of awareness, uh, you know, through yoga, transcendental mental meditation and various things. Like I said, I, I have never experienced anything like that myself and and there's also other ways to look at that people could say well, just simply saying your life flashes before your eyes is just you know you reflecting on your life flashes before your eyes, is just you reflecting on your life at that very second that you think you're going to die or perhaps you are at the brink of death. But yeah, it is an interesting notion that maybe this is a software download. It would seem to almost make sense with what we're talking about here.
Laurie:Yeah, no very good points here. Yeah, yeah, no very good points. And to expand upon what you were saying earlier too, is you know? I think we also need to ask if this is just part of humanity evolving, by which it is, you know, it's learning from something higher and then, you know, passes that knowledge along. Like, Mustafa Suleyman has written a compelling book titled the Coming Wave AI Power and the 21st Century's Greatest Dilemma. In it, he discusses how we are on the brink of a critical threshold where everything will change for human civilization. Suleyman emphasizes that we will soon be surrounded by artificial intelligence, which will influence our lives and manage our governments and businesses. This includes the innovation such as DNA printers, weapons and robot assistants, and he warns that we are not sufficiently prepared for this transformation prepared for this transformation.
Joe:Well, he may be right.
Joe:Suleyman contends that the upcoming decades will be characterized by a surge in power and new technologies based on a model, with AI being driven by significant political and commercial incentives, which will generate wealth and tackle global, global crises.
Joe:However, we should also prepare for upheavals of unimaginable scale. Currently, our governments are in a precarious position, potentially heading towards disaster, due to unprecedented challenges arising from unchecked opennesses on one side of the and the threat of excess, excessive surveillance on the other. And in his it's called the glossary of key terms, he introduces what he refers to as a coming wave, which encompasses an emerging cluster of related technologies which are focused on AI and something that he calls synthetic biology, which I think is exactly what it sounds like. And these technologies possess transformative potential to empower humanity, while also posing significant risks. And he elaborates on the notion of containment, which is the capability to monitor, limit, control and, if necessary, shut down these systems. So he gives a rather apocalyptic view, in a lot of ways, about AI. He also addresses the containment problem, saying that these so-called waves may prove unpredictable and virtually uncontrollable, which could lead to unforeseen, disastrous security consequences unforeseen disastrous security consequences.
Laurie:He also stated, on page 61 of the book, that a large-scale rollout of AI technology is already in progress. Software has revolutionized numerous sectors, facilitating the collection and analysis of vast data, and this data is now being utilized to train AI systems to develop more efficient and accurate products. Across nearly all areas of our lives, artificial intelligence is becoming increasingly accessible, with programs designed to equip non-specialists with advanced machine learning capabilities. In a few short years, artificial intelligence will be capable of communicating, reasoning and interacting within the same world we inhabit, with sensory systems on par with our own. Furthermore, ai is already embedded into products, services and devices we rely on daily, and it is used to identify cracks in water pipes, manage traffic flow, model fusion reactions for cleaner energy production, optimize shipping routes, enhance system security and assist in designing more sustainable building materials. It even plays a crucial role in driving cars and trucks, as we're witnessing.
Joe:Yeah, the applications for it seem endless, and we still have to wonder just how such intuition and knowledge can come to us only from if it does come from a cosmic field, in other words, this intelligence that we have and we pass on to AI, if it isn't something universal, meaning it's just simply something higher than us, and then we are able to exhibit it and then we're able to create it in the forms of computers and the software they execute. We also get help from other forms of life that may have learned to do it Some of this already what we're talking about. Maybe they've had many more centuries, maybe thousands of years more uh experience with working with an artificial intelligence.
Joe:Now, when we consider how David Grush uh has commented uh, he said in an article where, uh, it's called the intelligence the debrief is the name of the article. The debrief intelligence officials say that the us has retrieved craft of non-human origin, and this is an article by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal. It's dated June 5th, 2023. Grush, says he that the recoveries of both partial fragments and intact vehicles have been conducted for decades, and they continue to the present day, by our government and its allies and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that these objects retrieved are of what he calls exotic origin, which would be non-human intelligence, whether it's extraterrestrial or of some unknown origin altogether, and based on the vehicle morphologies, the material science testing and radiological signatures is how they come to this conclusion.
Laurie:But the material includes intact and partially intact vehicles, and he also stated that the U. S. has retrieved non-human biological matter from the pilots of these crafts. And this information comes from individuals who are currently involved and have direct knowledge of the program. And you know, the hearing at Congress was a significant moment for disclosure, with military officials and leaders from various aerospace companies that were present. So one must wonder you know what's really going on, and are they preparing us for something significant to emerge on the coming horizon?
Joe:Yeah, I know. I mean Grush has said that the U. S. military has retrieved non-human biological matter from the pilots of these aircraft I mean not aircraft but spacecraft indicating that they are not robots, that they are life forms and therefore they are not AI. They are extraterrestrial species, and some forms of organisms operate in fully intact and partially intact vehicles. And he seems to be saying that the incidents, namely the Roswell one, the most well-known one, and with alien bodies, whether they're alive or dead, they're being recovered and taken to places like Area 51 and Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
Laurie:Exactly so. We did some digging and came across a government dossier released by the NSA the National Security Agency on October 21, 2004, under the Freedom of Information Act, specifically case number 41472. And it is titled Communication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence and it's authored by Lambros de Calamaos. It begins with proclaiming that we are certainly not alone in the universe, and that reminded me of the scene in the 1996 movie Independence Day, where the president announces to the world the question of whether we are alone in the universe has been answered. And, of course, per the movie story, it was answered because of all the giant spaceships arriving and hovering over our major cities.
Joe:Yeah, it would be quite obvious then. That would be the undeniable proof that we have all been looking for. But in this article you're talking about, Calamehos explains that well. A few years ago this idea seemed far-fetched. That today and that was in 2004, the existence of intelligent and sentient alien life forms is taken for granted by most scientists Remember this is a document that is on file with the NSA and it was declassified after 30 years.
Joe:He also alludes to Sir Bernard Lovell, one of the world's leading radio astronomers, who in the 60s calculated that, even if you allow for a margin of error of 5,000% which means 50 times more likely to be incorrect in the mathematical extrapolations that there is still estimated in our own galaxy to be about 100 million stars that have planets with the right chemistry, temperature and size to support organic evolution, temperature and size to support organic evolution. And if we consider that our own galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, is but one of at least a billion other galaxies and that's putting it rather conservatively which are similar to ours in the observable universe, then the number of stars that could support some form of life is just simply too staggering to think about.
Laurie:But then Kellen House wrote that Dr Frank Drake, who worked for the National Radio Astronomy Observatory at Green Bank, west Virginia, said putting all our knowledge together, the number of civilizations which could have arisen from now is about one billion. So the question is where is everybody? And the nearest neighbor to our solar system is Alpha Centauri, only 4.3 light years away, but still its planetary system is probably too young for the emergence of life. However, there are two other planetary systems called Epsilon, eridani and Tau Citi, approximately 11 light years away and are stronger contenders for harboring life. If superior civilizations are abundant, the nearest would probably be at least 100 light years away. Therefore, a reply would take 200 years. This should make little difference to us in view of the enormous potential gained from our contact with a superior civilization. So we must assume that the other civilizations are far more advanced than we are. A 50-year gap would be tremendous not 50 years behind us but ahead of us and a 500-year gap will boggle our imagination. But you can imagine what a 5,000-year gap would be like.
Joe:Well, kalamajos also claimed that these other civilizations may have probes in space retransmitting back to them anything that sounds organized meaning not random or intelligent an intelligent signal, and be picked up by the probe. Now, after reading this, I thought about the Omuamua asteroid that visited our solar system back in October of 2017. It flew by Earth at the right time, just as Earth was approaching it, and it was redirected. It made its turn as trajectory in its orbit and went back into the interstellar space, and we discussed that a few years ago. As we mentioned, the odd behavior of a Moa Moa was in how it was observed to be accelerating away from the solar system as if it was propelled, and this has led some to speculate that it might have been a type of alien space probe.
Laurie:I have been thinking more about this too, since our episode about Oumuamua, and there may be an even bitter explanation as to how that thing came into our solar system and did that thing came into our solar system and did that? So? Could it be because you know planets with a civilization or star systems? They are so far away, like we were just saying, light years away, alpha, centauri and such and that, with the behavior of this so-called asteroid seeming to be so mathematically precise in its approach to Earth to slow down and then speed off? Maybe it came from a mothership that is still out there, hidden behind some planet not too far away where we can't see it. So it's like in Star Wars, a New Hope, right when they encounter that lone TIE fighter and I can't remember which character said it, I think An Solo, maybe, but he said something like it's too far out to be on its own, or something like that. And that's when they come upon the Death Star, and Obi-Wan Kenobi quotes the famous line that's no moon, it's a space station.
Laurie:So could Oumuamua have been a scout ship or a probe sent out from a non-visible starship hiding beyond a planet you know, waiting outside our solar system?
Joe:So, interestingly enough, the meaning of the Hawaiian word Omuamua is messenger from afar to lead to the idea that something sentient is out there observing us, perhaps trying not to interfere with our evolution, at least not too much. Think of how it is shown in Star Trek, where the Enterprise starship crew is watching a planet and they may send down away teams to mingle amongst the inhabitants to get further information, or send shuttles to fly through the skies. So whether or not a Moa Moa is such a thing as that, or if an advanced civilization did send messages or messengers, they may very well have called us several thousand years ago and probably more than once, maybe throughout our history. We have received it and have not been able to comprehend it.
Laurie:Well, they may be waiting for an answer or, worse yet, they've given up. Perhaps they have made such impressive technological advances in the same manner we have that they have destroyed themselves in some terrible holocaust, a world war iii, on their planet. So it could be that the threats we are facing here, like nuclear annihilation, are the same ones that other species throughout the universe are facing yeah, we have to wonder, you know, where does non-human intelligence, in any of its forms, actually take us?
Joe:some believe it will lead the human race into a utopia of a peaceful and prosperous world in which there is harmony everywhere for all time. Others look to it as being more like something that will bring about Armageddon, where we will end up back in the Dark Ages, and an honest opinion of it will see that there is the potential for both. Like many things, there is a duality, with good possibilities and bad possibilities.
Laurie:I'll even say that potential for good and bad is silical. Something may start off as a great achievement and turn into a horrific demise. One of the ideas that we find from examining the history of the world is that civilizations rise and fall. From what Zacharia Sitchin tells us in his work in The Earth Chronicles, humanity's long-forgotten stone age of the past was preceded by a great and marvelous technological age when the gods had dwelt. Here he could be talking about the Anunnaki or the gods of Atlantis, but could this technological era we are living in now be one that likewise precedes our next Stone Age?
Joe:There's definitely something to ponder and definitely something for you, the audience, to decide. So this will conclude our episode today. We hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. Please feel free to share your comments with us on our Facebook page or on our website at wwwaliantpodcastcom, and we would love to hear your thoughts and questions on this.
Laurie:Yeah, we want to thank you all for tuning in. Today, Our next show. We will discuss the future of humanity and our venture to Mars it's in the news a lot lately and we will discuss how NASA's mission to send astronauts to the red planet is moving forward at a very rapid pace and we are excited because this is all happening in our lifetime. A lot of people are talking about it.
Joe:Yeah, they certainly are. So, yeah, we'll discuss how all this is going to be achieved, not only through government funding but through the commercial aerospace sector, and the question of whether we have already been there and whether this is humanity's actual return to Mars Should be a very interesting topic to get into. So until we join you next time, folks have a great month Again, have a happy new year, Be safe and, as always, stay curious.
