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Gods or Aliens? The Cosmic Origin of Your Traffic Ticket
What if the laws that govern our societies didn't originate on Earth? The foundations of modern civilization rest upon statutes that date to 1754 B.C. in ancient Babylon. The Code of Hammurabi—possibly the oldest discovered legal decree— bears striking similarities to Biblical passages that would emerge centuries later.
Unearthed in Iran 1901 and now housed in the Louvre in Paris, the Code of Hammurabi was inscribed on a basalt stele that depicts the Babylonian god Utu-Shamash bestowing laws upon King Hammurabi—a scene remarkably similar to Moses receiving the Ten Commandments. This ancient legal framework contains 282 laws covering everything from trade and marriage to theft and labor practices, establishing the principle of proportional justice we still use today. When compared with Levitical/Talmudic law and its 613 precepts, the structural similarities suggest a possible common origin.
The Biblical record itself contains fascinating clues pointing to extraterrestrial involvement. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 describes how El Elyon (the Most High) divided nations among his sons, with Israel assigned to Yahweh—hinting at a pantheon of powerful beings rather than a single deity. Ancient Sumerian texts describe humans as "mixed ones," suggesting our genome contains elements from the Anunnaki, advanced beings who allegedly combined their DNA with primitive hominids. This genetic intervention might explain why humans alone among Earth's species have developed complex legal systems—perhaps we inherited this tendency from our cosmic progenitors.
Without laws, our primal nature would likely lead to chaos. As Henry David Thoreau observed, "the savage in man is never quite eradicated." The legal frameworks established by ancient civilizations—whether inspired by gods or aliens—continue to serve as the cornerstone of human progress.
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Hello everyone and thank you for joining us on Alien Talk Podcast. Welcome to our show. So today we continue our exploration of the history and the mythology that has helped shape our modern Western societies, as it has been handed down to us from a place called the Cradle of Civilization. As we know, this refers to the Middle East and the land spanning from Egypt to Mesopotamia to India, and it is here that we find what is the locus of humanity's first major advancements, one of those being the development of law and the subsequent implementation and enforcement of it through the rule of law. This has truly served as the cornerstone for civilization, since it has shaped the human condition with a structured system of codified rules to establish justice and hence modify conduct and behavior.
Joe:It gives consequences for not following said rules, and the earliest system of such codified law that has so far been discovered is something called the Code of Hammurabi that dates to around 1754 BC. Its influence pervades to this day in the legal and judicial theories of Western societies, giving a framework for applying morality not only within secular worldviews but also religious ones. So, it is on a basalt steel on which the text is inscribed, and it was discovered in 1901 near Susa in Persia, modern-day Iran, by a French Catholic priest named Jean-Vincent Scheil. It was studied by many scholars before being sent to Louvre in Paris, where it remains today, and it has a relief on the top showing the Babylonian god Uthushamish handing the law to the king Hammurabi, and below it is the script listing all of the precepts by which his subjects were to abide, in much the same way as we find with the story of Moses and the Ten Commandments in the Bible. Unfortunately, we have never recovered any tablet inscribed with the Ten Commandments that date to the time period of Moses and the Exodus from Egypt.
Laurie:Yeah, that's right, Joe. Of course, the original Ten Commandment tablets were supposed to have been kept in the Ark of the Covenant, which, as we know, has never been found. It's just an assumption that those are actually in there. So, with all that's going on in the world today, you know, with the rioting and looting and destruction of property and the breaking of all these laws and there's no respect for the rule of law and order, so we felt that we needed to tackle this subject today. So now, the Code of Hammurabi that you're talking about, possibly the earliest known legal code, was established by King Hammurabi of Babylon well before the time of Moses, and that is believed to have been around 1100 BC. It was inscribed upon the Sestile in cuneiform and it is a monumental testament to the sophistication of the Babylonian Empire.
Laurie:To the sophistication of the Babylonian Empire Because, during his reign, Amorati sought to unify diverse peoples across vast lands under one common legal framework.
Laurie:And just like the other Mesopotamian epic stories that preserve the older Sumerian tradition, like the Atrahasis, the Enuma Elish, the Epic of Gilgamesh and others. His code chronicles the existence of an extensive, advanced and highly functional civilization that had ascended as well as diminished before even the time of much of the biblical narrative.
Laurie:Now a close examination of it shows how it has been manifested in the Judeo-Christian dogmas and maybe where the Jews got the Ten Commandments story from, since they were under Babylonian captivity and they influenced for hundreds of years under that Babylonian culture. Now, Hammurabi's Code comprises of 282 laws covering a broad spectrum of societal concerns, which include trade, marriage, theft, injury, damage and even labor laws, and you can also. It's also comparable to a lot of the Levitical laws, and it is famously known for its principle of lex talonius, which is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Because this doctrine of proportion? Well, this doctrine is aimed to ensure that punishments were commensurate with the crimes that were committed, and the laws also reflect a rigid class structure with distinctions between the rights and responsibilities by Jesus Christ, of course, and it posits individual accountability, with people being created in the image of God.
Joe:Yeah, that's right. And these laws were framed by Hammurabi as being divine commands bestowed upon him by his God from on high, who was Utu Shamash, much like how the Ten Commandments were given to Moses by God. And the telling of this kind of origin elevates the authority of the law, imbuing it with a sacred character that demands compliance, not merely out of fear of punishment, but as an act of holy devotion. Beyond Babylon, the principles and structure of the Code of Hammurabi subsequently influenced many illegal systems throughout the ancient Middle East, as it emphasizes justice, accountability and a codified rule of law, so much in a way that profoundly laid the functional concepts of modern-day jurisprudence.
Laurie:Yeah, and I mean the Code of Hammurabi. We actually study that in law enforcement, in police academies. They bring law; they teach us this law. Where the origin of laws come from was from this Code of Hammurabi. I've always thought, of course, it was direct from the Judeo-Christian laws from Moses and Ten Commandments and such. But before I retired, I was even offered to even teach that class. But we've discussed before how human laws and human morals are ethos and virtues being said to have been passed down to us from a mighty sky. Deity may actually refer to them being taught to us from encounters with extraterrestrial beings who arrived here far in the distant past. Are these ancient texts indicative of something like an alien rule of law imbued upon us from another world? Could Dakota Hammurabi be recording certain rules necessary for a humanity, a new civilization, to survive as a large society? Did the Ten Commandments come into the Judaic faith at a much later time, when it was given to Moses by Yahweh on Mount Sinai?
Joe:The basis of the two are much the same and indeed almost all justice systems have the same sort of core principles to them, namely to preserve fairness and order and power.
Joe:Dakota Hammurabi is more comprehensive, with a rather long preamble of how the strong should not be the oppressor to the weak and that the justice is to provide to orphans and widows, which hearkens to many scriptural passages as well, and it starts with Hammurabi's long doxology both to the gods and to himself for being such a pious king. Part of it is written as, and quoting here when the lofty Anu, king of the Anunnaki and Bel, lord of heaven and earth, he who determines the destiny of the land at that time, anu and Bel called me Hammurabi, the exalted prince, the worshipper of the gods, to cause justice, to prevail in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil. Also, it continues on by saying when Mardul sent me to rule the people and to bring help to the country, I established law and justice in the land and promoted the welfare of the people. So, he definitely does his fair share of grandstanding there.
Laurie:Yeah, he's quite high up on that high horse.
Joe:Indeed, you know he had a big ego.
Laurie:Yeah Well, I mean you've heard my reasons why I believe the Hebrew god Yahweh is the same character as the Babylonian god Yudushamish and the Sumerian god Enki. I mean, they are all lawgivers, all the gods are lawgivers in any culture you go to or you read about, and they are all the embodiment of morality and truth, while having the dominion of the sun behind them and as such, all humans are to render obedience to their authority. So I mean there is also some resemblance of Yahweh to, you know, the god Enlil who is? He's a claim to have separated the waters from the earth and set the constellations in their places. He was also a disciplinary God, which is a similar description to Yahweh. He could have very well have been a centrististic version of Enki, enlil and Yudushamish being seen as a God of justice, love and mercy, the one who gave the laws of the righteous and the one who dwells up on high in the heavens with the sun and all of the celestial spheres. So this seems to show how the Hebrews were greatly influenced by the Mesopotamian peoples, which can be seen in how Mosaic law is actually presented in the Old Testament.
Laurie:In fact, most, if not all, of the Judeo-Christian tradition finds its legal roots in the way it is articulated in the Torah, which is mainly the books of Exodus Levit, viewed as the cornerstone of moral imperatives and emphasizes portraying a contract between God and the people of Israel and the emphasizing of a dual approach to law one that governs external say you shall not kill. Sit the external boundaries, others, such as you shall not covet those. Delve into our internal thoughts and desires. And this spiritual dimension is meant to instill an ethos by which we don't just merely follow established rules, we become moral beings. So these two traditions share commonalities in their drive to create order and set standards for human behavior, ethical principles and societal governance through justice. But the bigger questions remain how did these established laws begin and where did they come from? So, did we form them on our own as a human civilization, or were they given to us from something else? Or someone else or something higher?
Joe:Well, we know that to the ancient Israelites, the legal system was deeply embedded in religious practice and the explanation of where it came from was simple it came from Yahweh, and this is also succinctly put in the New Testament as well, with II Timothy 3:16 saying, "All scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, entraining in righteousness and, as you said, it demands duty to God and fellow human beings.
Joe:In terms of absolutes, we see priests and prophets have played key roles in the Hebrew Bible to interpret and enforce what would become Levitical law, and that involves the rituals and sacrifices that were needed to serve as atonements for human transgressions.
Joe:So the fusion of law and worship underpinned a theocratic society, like in ancient Israel, where divine authority was seen as the ultimate source of governance, in this case through the Levites, the priestly tribe of Israel, the priestly tribe of Israel and much of the framework from the Jewish oral tradition. It is something that is collectively known as the Talmud, and it's expanded upon the Torah as a source of legal, doctrinal and, in some cases, mystical commentaries about the law from God, and it is the form of Levitical law that more closely resembles Hammurabi's, as there are 613 precepts under Rabbinical Judaism and that kind of is more comparable to the 282 that we find under Hammurabi Actually there's quite a bit more under Judaism, just again expounding and giving commentary on what we find in the Torah and the Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. So, with law, you know, there aren't only these statutes, but rules of procedure, rules of evidence and process of examination, as well as penalties under a form of justice.
Laurie:Right. So we know that the ethical principles from the Bible have transcended time like profoundly shaping Western legal and moral thought, Ideal concepts such as fairness before the law, the inalienable dignity of a person and the intrinsic righteousness of the judgment process from their roots in this tradition. But upon understanding the Code of Hammurabi, it is apparent in its similarities to the Judeo-Christian tradition, with both relying on the divine providence as the source of law to establish societal order through explicit rules and to deter wrongdoing through specified punishments. This theocratic foundation lent their respective codes a sense of immutability and moral weight from something higher, something known in secular philosophy as natural law. In other words, the idea of the law is perfection of order, meaning that it can only come from God.
Joe:And we also see the lengths that Roman law and English common law go into in defining the crimes and codifying what are considered just penalties to be administered by those who are in leadership, and people in leadership, under this way of thinking, are ordained by God. Of course, freemasonry went even further to expound on this natural law, as you mentioned, and it deviates somewhat from the ancient legal codes. Yet it was theistically and intrinsically centered on the principles of the rights of humans and accountability to the all-seeing eye of providence. In other words, it was serving righteousness, the principle of righteousness, more so than even the person of God, as we see in Judaism and Christianity. So this all-seeing eye of providence is a symbol that has been incorporated within the idea of the American Constitutional Republic and it still is present on our dollar bill, as we see it on the back of the dollar bill, with the pyramid and the triangle above it, with an eye on it. That's the all-seeing eye of providence and that is a symbol from Freemasonry, the belief that has persisted, whether the law is, and it has gone that this belief has persisted whether or not the law is secular or religious.
Joe:So, even though the Code of Hammurabi is primarily designed to maintain a social order with transactional and punitive terms. It is clearly expressed as being divine, its origin is considered to be straight from the gods, and the tenets of the Bible take that idea to a higher level by combining moral and spiritual dimensions to this law, addressing actions and ethical behaviors, and even going so far as to hold people accountable for their intentions and their thoughts, what is in their hearts. All of this seems to be a later development, as there is a textual source that is even older than the Code of Hammurabi, that is less complete, actual source that is even older than the Code of Hammurabi, that is less complete. It's called the Code of Ur-Nammu and it's authored by a Sumerian king of the same name. That one dates to around 2000 BC, although it is considerably shorter, and it focuses more on promoting peace, giving compensation for wrongdoing more so than punishments for crime, which is what we find in the Code of Hammurabi.
Laurie:Yeah, and so we find both aspects in the Levitical law of the Old Testament as well, with the ideas that are embedded in these ancient systems continuing to resonate in today's legal and ethical discourse. To resonate in today's legal and ethical discourse, as seen in Hammurabi's Code, the concept of proportional justice echoes modern fairness principles in sentencing. Similarly, the moral imperatives of the Judeo-Christian tradition underpin contemporary notions of human rights and social justice. So, the study of the Code of Hammurabi and Judeo-Christian beliefs system reveals the enduring power of law to shape human behavior and societal structures. Though rooted in vastly different contexts, these systems have left indelible marks on the legal and moral thought trajectory. By examining their origins, principles and legacies, we gain an appreciation for their historical significance and insights into the timeless quest for justice and righteousness.
Joe:Yes. So even in a monotheistic faith, authority is never seen as manifesting. It's always seen as more than one form. It's not in a vacuum. Regardless of the idea that all earthly power comes from God, it is never illustrated or existing in one form. Human experience clearly shows that we are subjugated to the authority of other people.
Joe:Jesus in the New Testament says that the rulers of earth exist to manage the affairs of men. That says that the rulers of earth exist to manage the affairs of men. He is famously said in Matthew 22: 21, that we are to render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar and to God. What is God's? Paul the Apostle claims in Romans 13: 1 -14. He goes on to say that all authority on earth is instituted by God.
Joe:Saying that we must allow ourselves to subject to the authority as to the powers that are ordained by God. Saying that we must allow ourselves to subject to the authority as to the powers that are ordained by God, going so far as to say whoever resists will receive damnation. And this is to say that whether human power is corrupt or not, it is all ordained by God. That is sort of the Pauline idea for earthly power, and this notion of divinity is being somewhat of a manifold thing, something in multiple representations, and it's not foreign to monotheistic belief systems. So, even though Christianity, islam, judaism believe in one God, the understanding is that the vision of power among the principalities and governments of the world is manifold and they're more than one source.
Laurie:Okay, yeah, so see, people of the day, the ancient people either made all this stuff up or they did receive it from some higher power of some type. And you know, you've got to wonder. When kings write about things like this and establish these laws and they attribute them to somebody higher than themselves, it makes you wonder, you know, like you know, kings can be pretty prideful, and for them to actually, you know, say that, hey, I didn't give you these laws but our God, yudu Shamish, did you representing God, but that they are God, that they actually are fulfilling the purpose of God here on earth, and we've seen that with many stories of kings throughout history just immense egos and believe that they are divine in their own right.
Laurie:Yeah, and going back to what you're saying about, you know the manifold representations, you know and just look at the I mean all you got to the Canaanites of El-Elyon, or has El-Elyon Now, I know a lot of Christians are. Probably, if you listen to this, you're probably going to get a little upset because I just said there's somebody, there's a no, I just this is what we're quoting from what we've learned from other ancient texts. So, this El-Elyon is said to have been given nations as inheritances to his many sons and this is how Israel became assigned to Yahweh. And this is in the Bible and the allusion to this is found in Deuteronomy 32: 8- 9. And this is what it reads when the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, the Most High would be El Elyon here. When he divided up mankind, he set up boundaries for the people according to the number of the sons of Israel.
Laurie:For the Lord's portion, which now Lord, the word Lord in the Old Testament and the Torah is changed to it's Lord, but it's from YHWH, or was it YW, yahweh, yhwh? Yeah, so this is Yahweh. He's talking about Yahweh here. This is he was. Yahweh was given this portion. It's his people, Jacob, his allotted inheritance, so the people of Jacob, this is, the Israelites. So El-Elyon ordered this to the other gods, and this explains why Yahweh later proclaimed in the Ten Commandments you know, he set up his own set of rules and laws and he said you shall not have any other gods before me. This is reiterated, as we pointed out before, in Psalms 89: 6-7. Now what is this council of holy ones? You know when in Christianity it may be regarded as the heavenly hosts all of the angels and saints who reside in heaven. Yet within the theology of the neighboring people of Israel, a council of holy ones is exactly what we find. You know, there's a council of other gods, so could it be that this verse reflects their influence on Jewish religious thought?
Joe:Right. We see a lot of sort of human attributes here when we talk about El-E lyon and Yahweh in much way we would see in the mythology, in the pantheon of the Greeks and the Romans and the other ancient cultures. Now it's interesting to point out that even Sigmund Freud expounded on this personal nature about God and the idea of God having this kind of attribute that we're talking about. The book he wrote was Moses and Monotheism. There's also another one called Totem and Taboo, and according to what he says in these books, he formulates a concept that deity and the idea of deity comes from psychoanalytic theory and what is called the parental imago and this is an unconscious image, that is, the impression that fathers and mothers leave upon our psyches in our early childhood is what forms the notion of a godly figure of course, And he proposes that later in our social and intellectual development that this imago is reintroduced and retaught as a dogma of religion as we get it in, whatever religion we were indoctrinated with Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, you name it.
Joe:Now he claims that the sort of moral law and the moral restriction which he defined as what religion is is from where we form an impression in early life and it's handed down to us in the form of drives that stem from these mental images.
Joe:And these images are of a primordial father and a totem meal, both of which go far back into our prehistoric ancestry, and what they represent in our unconscious is obedience and atonement. And this is how we manifest the practice of religion, through indoctrination that's passed on from one generation to another. So this need for law to be codified and a need for the rule of law to be properly applied and enforced is based on this presumption of our human nature and, of course, it incorporates our innate and inherent drives for wrongdoing, which is more commonly known as sin. So Desmond Morris, who's the author of the popular book the Naked Ape, he once said if we are to understand the nature of our aggressive urges, we must see them against the background of our animal origins. And this, I think, is to say that much of our behavior, much of our drives, are the same as that of animals, particularly primates. As much as we don't like to think about that, we see it rather prevalently all the time in human behavior, since the beginning of time right.
Laurie:Oh yeah, exactly. Well, the existentialist and naturalist Henry David Thoreau once said the savage in man is never quite eradicated. So this quote resonates in many ways. Homo sapiens are a peculiar and distinctive species. While we are the same as animals in many ways, you can't deny that we are clearly different in our cognitive skills and our social behaviors. We have better brains. Our genome is quite a mixture, as mentioned in the Sumerian text, where we are referred to as mixed ones. We all have found it at some point or another to control the primal nature within each of us, and a lot of this is due to law and order. But when we all have our own personal demons to confront in various ways and some of us are better at it than others Clearly a serial killer or a rapist or a burglar that can't stop, these are people that are not good at controlling this behavior at all.
Joe:Right, and without having to go into any kind of deep lecture on metaethics, I think what's being said here is that people have been living by rules for quite some time, and when those rules are broken, something has to be done to make it right again In the eyes of the deities.
Joe:That's how we perceive it, that's how we're repentant, or the punishment makes us pure, makes us, you know, right again, kind of like what we call a debt to society. We make ourselves right by repenting and being remorseful for wrongdoing. So philosophers have went on to explain that these gods are figures that are formed within our unconscious minds, figures that are formed within our unconscious minds, and the religious beliefs that we carry on today stem from this inner drive to satisfy not only our human needs, but also as a way to put our consciousness at ease, to make us come to terms with ourselves as good individuals. We have a drive for satisfying our need, which would be called sin. We also have a desire to be made good and right in the eyes of a deity. In a case of Judeo-Christianity, it is God, the Lord.
Laurie:Right. And so I mean temptation is nothing more than the urge to have and do something that's pleasing to you. So from the moment we were upgraded from the Homo erectus into the sensitive skin suits we live in today, we were given senses to see, touch, taste, smell and hear. These were the blueprints implemented in our design back in antiquity Through the Sumerian texts. Enki and the Anunnaki share this same DNA. They imprinted their mark on us, creating us in their image and likeness by forming the primitive worker race. So if you look at Genesis 1.26, we were made to toil in the fields and work our way to survival with some happiness and contentment, to assist us primarily, you know, thanks to the fallen angels, who, well, you just got to read Enoch 6 and see all the special things that they provided to humanity. Genesis 2 and 15, you know our story has a long history as human beings who first had to learn many things to help us.
Laurie:Throughout the thousands of years since our existence and since our creation, we have not looked back. I mean, we aim for the future and we fought against each other and the elements to reach the civilization we are today. Unfortunately, we're still fighting the elements and fighting each other. But as a species we can do much better, and we will. I mean, I strongly feel that we will one day reach a civilization which I hope so, similar to Star Trek, a crime-free and cashless society, will one day be a reality, one day be a reality, and we will become a united race of homo sapiens and strive to reach the stars by discovering a new world to call home or to better this one even. But for now we must deal with who we are at this current place in time, and for that we need law and order. I mean, without our established laws and government, I don't know where we would be as a civilization Without a system of law and order. We would be in some barbaric and primitive condition. Agree with them or not, laws are for the betterment of society because they keep us in check. I mean we need law and social order because without it society would regress to that primitive state.
Laurie:If indeed there is a federation of planets out there, like in Star Trek, then it seems that these Anunnaki deities were in clear violation in how they, you know, interacted with us. I mean, who knows, perhaps such a federation ostracized them 300,000 years ago because they, you know what they did, you know, jumpstarting our evolution. Maybe we're not supposed to be where we are today, but because of them, here we are the Homo sapiens that we are right now. So the question then becomes you know, would we do the same for another species as they did for us? Well, we find a planet someday, and when we go there and we find that there is a less advanced race but similar in DNA to us, and we become their gods and we mix our DNA with their DNA and create a new species, you know, we will become the gods of their religions for over time and time and we will instill these laws that we have now in our civilization to that civilization. It's pretty deep.
Joe:Yeah, indeed a fantastic and profound thing to ponder, and we can see that humans do need the establishment of civilization in order to survive. Anthropologists claim that we almost became extinct before the cultivation of agriculture, which was about 10,000 years ago. So small groups of people may survive for a limited time, but it will not be an easy feat. Living in a free society like Western societies is a perfect example of a civilization on its way to obtaining outstanding achievements, and we have certainly done that over the centuries. Living in a country like the United States is where you can pursue a life of happiness because of our civilization, because of our laws. Our government has issues and many negatives, albeit, but according to our form of. But there's always room for improvement, and that's what the our system of government, what a republic allows for, is improvement, and possibly a better one has yet to be discovered.
Laurie:Yeah, even though we have established laws that have evolved since these ancient times, some cannot help themselves from breaking these rules, and I mean a person's crime will determine the punishment he or she will receive as a penalty. So, just as the Code of Hammurabi and the Mosaic laws have different punishments for each crime broken or sin committed, so do the modern laws. And I mean, like, let's take a red light violation does not carry the same penalty as running a red light and crashing into somebody. Right, an assault is not as serious as an aggravated assault, which does not entail the same punishment as murder or rape. So I mean, most of us can maintain our composure while some of us commit crimes without being caught.
Laurie:But can you imagine a world without this government, structure, laws and order? I mean, I'm sure there's some people out there. Yeah, I can imagine a world without government. Be careful, because if you did have a world without government, it's going to take some time before we can actually trust ourselves to you know it's going to take some time before we can actually trust ourselves to you know we're going to lose a lot of great things that we have currently, that we have because of government and such.
Laurie:But it's a frightening thought, in my opinion, to consider while living in our society today. So I mean violence, theft, fraud and abuse are everywhere, even with laws. Theft, fraud and abuse are everywhere, even with laws and with those established laws of society. What value do they owe if you know, if there is no one to enforce them? So I mean you can enjoy meals with friends and family at restaurants or watch movies in theaters and, thanks to you, know the police and the whole criminal justice system as a whole, and criminals are often deterred from committing violent crimes due to the significant consequences they face. Although there are individuals engaged in robbery, murder and active shootings, the absence of laws or police to uphold them will lead to even more severe problems and issues if they did not exist.
Joe:Yeah, quite frankly, without laws there can be no freedom.
Joe:And when the United States broke away from tyranny under a monarchy in 1776, it was a move to perfect the balance between people's right to freedom and their need to be governed. Unfortunately, our founding fathers and others after them did not foresee the kind of turmoil that our new country would experience over the centuries. But they did believe that the republic they formed would create the most ideal world in which morality, reason and justice would rule its citizens. And they were around at a period called the Enlightenment, and they were influenced by great thinkers like Rene Descartes, john Locke and David Hume. They studied the Judeo-Christian scriptures and the Greco-Roman classical works Plato, aristotle, herodotus, cicero, seneca and many others. They believe that the best welfare to our existence was a government that guarded individual rights that were endowed by nature, endowed by God, and we see it in the writing of the preamble to the US Constitution, with we, the people of the United States, to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, and it goes on. It was perhaps their vision of a perfect future utopia.
Laurie:Yeah, and because of that, that's why people are dying, literally dying to get into this country, and you know, and it's also, you know, even now, even any type of Western civilization, europe country, and you know, australian country, and you know Australian, and you know, but here in the United States it's like there's we just, you know, south of us, many people are coming up and trying to get into this country and I would like for everybody to enjoy the freedoms of this country, of course, legally, of course, but this is what they were envisioning, that future utopia, and we could be an even better utopia. So back to the scriptures, and the ancient texts describe us as being created in the image of these divine beings, god or the gods, and we see that there are stark similarities in how we behave and how they are said to behave. In how we behave and how they are said to behave, I mean, there is jealousy, there is anger, vengeance, sorrow, pleasure, etc. If we, as flesh and blood beings, act and conduct ourselves in these manners, then surely we would expect the same characteristics of those from whom we were modeled. And that is precisely what we see in the traditions of these divine ones. The gods are acting like us because they are us. We share the DNA, albeit they're more advanced, but they're flesh and blood nonetheless, and they behave as such.
Laurie:And these laws were given to the chosen human race at the time by an extraterrestrial civilization in ancient times by passing on their laws, which, to the credulous humans, became their religion. And oddly enough, it seems that the founding fathers knew this. They knew that principles are perfect and that flesh and blood authority is not, so their thinking was very much immersed in a philosophy of law and reason that was meant to bring about the betterment of humanity through ideas instead of dogmas, even theological dogmas, aware of how religion can be abused by governments to subject people to tyranny. But they didn't want the belief in God out of the culture, just not as a precept for ruling. Of course we all know this as the doctrine of separation of church and state right.
Joe:Yeah, and societies all over the world. They established their legal frameworks on this premise that law is well, it's sacred. We've recently heard pundits saying that, you know, calling our democracy and our rule of law as being sacred. To the religious person, it is God who has given this to humanity, to his chosen people with righteousness, to maintain order within the population. And to the secular person, law and justice are the products of reason and to ensure the pursuit of freedom and liberty and security. And regardless of which perspective as both hold quite a bit of truth laws and regulations are especially essential within a society of a large population.
Joe:It is the highest tangible authority to which we answer, and when someone is told that they must or must not do something, if the explanation is because it is the law, then there is no more debate. We've seen that many times. That is the answer it's the law. It is a sort of transcendent will of either God, the people or both, and to alter the law takes an act of such a will, as we say, is an act of Congress, which is literally what happens. So you must literally Congress must change the law. Without these laws, there's chaos and anarchy, and that would lead to the breakdown of peace and public order and, consequently, a loss of freedom. So we can only pursue, and be free to pursue, liberty and happiness if we have security and safety. So these principles under which we live are crucial in preventing the human race from devolving into behavior that is like that of animals in the jungle.
Laurie:Yeah, absolutely so. I mean, I'm sure, if you're a religious person and you're out there, or you're religious minded, and you're out there, like with these Antifa people, and you're thinking you're supporting a great cause and you're out there rioting, looting and criminalizing and vandalizing and you're going against the order, the orders of God, because these laws are based on that, as we've been talking about, so you're actually going against that establishment, the godly establishment. And you know, contrary to a lot of your popular beliefs, you know the government isn't out there trying to destroy you. This government isn't oppressing people. There are so many great opportunities that people can have if they just get up, get the mindset going and go out there and live life, and this country is a great place to do that.
Laurie:And in 2020, a notable example emerged that illustrates the potential consequences of abolishing law enforcement agencies. The potential consequences of abolishing law enforcement agencies. So the foundation of a functioning legal system necessitates establishing and enforcing laws, and this vital enforcement role is fulfilled by none other than police officers, who have historically been likened to vigilant guardians, akin to the angelic observers of early human civilization. These officers are entrusted with maintaining peace and order in every municipality, state and county, represented by the metaphorical thin blue line symbolizing the fragile boundary between tranquility and chaos. And notably, only about two to three percent of the population is qualified to become a police officer. Yet this small minority think about it upholds the rule of law for approximately about five to six, maybe more, percent of the populace. Other than that, most people are pretty law abiding Today's anarchists. They don't understand what they are doing by, you know, wanting to overthrow the government of the United States. Like, I had discussions with some anarchists during my time on the riot squad and discovered that, man, they have a hatred for this country. And discovered that, man, they have a hatred for this country. And you know, it has blinded them to common sense. Like, first of all, America has been here for hundreds of years, long before they existed. They were born into this country and its laws, or maybe they migrated, some of them, but which had me questioning what's so important about them that they think that they don't have to abide by American laws. And if one doesn't like our way of life, customs and laws, then they can go through an immigration process and they can move to another country.
Laurie:For the most part, this country is one of the best for the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as stated in the Declaration of Independence. So you have the freedom to do whatever you please, following the law of course. But even then there is leniency. The police are there to keep the peace and enforce the laws, to maintain order, which is to keep order from turmoil, from chaos.
Laurie:If anarchy happened and our government was overthrown, then eventually there's going to be anarchists who would want to rebel against that newly formed, established government. So they also tend to forget that the other countries that want to come and invade and overthrow the country, which they would not have attempted to do before because it was so strong, which they would not have attempted to do before because it was so strong, you know so, and plus many, many amenities that we have nowadays, all that stuff's gone, the pleasures of life will be gone, you know, just because you disagree with some laws or you think you're being oppressed and that sort of thing. So establishing laws for humanity was a prudent decision made by the divine, as it serves to maintain order and discipline. So human progress relies on the framework of laws and the enforcement thereof.
Joe:You know, I would say, even if you know, if somebody doesn't like our laws and you don't have to simply leave the country, you can also choose to change it. I mean, there are processes by which laws can be changed. So we have elections, we have legislative bodies that bring new laws in and repeal old laws, so the republic has a process by which that can take place. So, yes, you're right. Does it simply say I don't like this law and we're not going to follow it and we're going to violently oppose it? That is not the constitutional way. That's not how the founding fathers envisioned that liberty and justice would be administered. There is a civil process, a peaceful process, and, yes, you can always leave the country if you don't want to be here. Anybody can. But you can also choose to to change that which you're not happy with. If you don't like certain policies or laws, you can elect to have people be put in office that will make changes, and that is the democratic process in which we live.
Joe:And you know, I think those who created us with God or any mythologies of the past, we talk about a pantheon of gods they knew precisely what was needed in order for the species with consciousness to progress to a level to become a civilization. We see this in the mythology of the Sumerians and the Babylonians. So, no matter how you look at it, laws, reasonable and just laws. Adel Hammurabi is a reasonable and just set of laws and they're needed for the human race to progress and they're given so as to keep us civilized and orderly. And along with the implementation is this belief of good versus evil, such as with God, or you're good and the devil is evil. So, obeying the laws with God, or you're good and the devil is evil. So obeying the laws is to mean that you are good and breaking the laws to mean that you are not. And this is a very basic principle in human nature that carries on to this very day, fully and completely, in every sensible and imaginable way of understanding it.
Laurie:And that is why there's a scripture verse that says obey the laws of the land. So if we are to believe the gods of our religions are flesh and blood alien beings, then the laws they gave to us are indeed extraterrestrial Law plus order was to ensure that this human hybrid race would succeed in ruling the planet, and this is why kingship was lowered to earth and selected people of certain blood types and genetic makeup were chosen to carry the line of kingship. Laws descended from the gods to the human leader, kings to establish in every society that was to come. So laws were instilled in a population for the betterment of society. Anyone disobeying these laws were punished, depending on how severe the punishment was, and it had to do with the listed consequences of each law.
Joe:And, as it is, humans are the only species to have established systems of law and order, which is what distinguishes us from the approximately 9 million other species of animals that are inhabiting the Earth, and this is not merely a coincidence. There are many factors surrounding our existence that suggest it is not random. Homo sapiens have been around for roughly 250,000 to 300,000 years in the grand scale of evolution, and there remains much for us to learn, and in time, like you said, we will develop the ability to manage our primitive urges and attain a higher level of consciousness.
Laurie:Yeah, let's hope it's like the quote by the Russian-American journalist Max Lerner once said either men will learn to live like brothers or they will die like beasts. So anyway, that concludes our episode for today, and I hope you all enjoyed it and understand the importance of law and order and its role in our society and our civilization.
Joe:Right, and next time we will talk about an issue that has popped up in the news and it's made people speculate and ponder if we aren't going to be soon visited by an alien spacecraft. The story that's been making some of the headlines is about 3I Atlas, and 3I Atlas is supposedly a comet that is in orbit and it's getting closer towards what's called the perihelion. It's the closest point in its orbit around the sun. However, there are some experts who are saying that it is not a usual comet, isn't that right, laurie?
Laurie:Yeah, that's right. According to a Harvard professor, Avi Loeb, who I mean he thinks this may be an alien spaceship, and I mean he brought this up before with the other two, you know, space rock visitors that came through, we're going to discuss the details of this and its relation to the to these previous two visitors, Oumuamua and Borisov and you know we're the first two just intelligence probes like scouts, and this third one, eye atlas, the mother ship itself, maybe right, I don't know, we'll see what they're saying we should be finding out before the end of this year, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Joe:Until then, folks stay safe, stay peaceful and, most of all, stay curious.
