Alien Talk Podcast
Alien Talk Podcast
Josephus and The Mystery Comet
A fiery sword over Jerusalem. Armies moving in the clouds. An interstellar visitor acting strangely in our own sky. We bring these threads together for a thoughtful sendoff that doubles as a launchpad for what comes next: a deeper dive into scripture, belief, and the search for meaning that has always lived beneath our UFO conversations.
We start by reflecting on four and a half years, 110 episodes, and a community that pushed us to ask better questions. Then we turn to Flavius Josephus—teacher, soldier, politician—whose accounts of a comet, a luminous night sky, and skyborne chariots framed the fall of Jerusalem as a cascade of omens. We examine his credibility, the Testimonium Flavianum debate, and how ancient reporting blends testimony, politics, and theology. From there, we connect these ancient signs to present-day curiosity about 3I-Atlas, an interstellar object sparking debate with atypical emissions, changing brightness, and headline-grabbing claims that outpace the data.
Along the way, we tackle the pull of prophecy and preterism, why early believers expected a near-term fulfillment, and how modern culture repeats the pattern: reading the heavens for timelines, warnings, and hope. We weigh symbolism against sensors, acknowledging that stories shape us even as instruments inform us. The takeaway isn’t a tidy answer but a better posture—one that honors evidence, interrogates tradition, and admits wonder without surrendering reason.
We’re also opening a new chapter. Our next show will center on the Bible, theology, and the real-life struggles of belief while welcoming pastors, agnostics, and skeptics to test ideas. UFOs and ancient astronaut theory will still surface as they serve the bigger questions: Where do we come from? What do we owe each other? How should we live if the universe is more crowded—or more mysterious—than we think?
If you’ve valued the blend of rigor and curiosity, stick with us. Subscribe, share this finale with a friend who loves history and the alien debate. Also, leave a review to help others on the quest. Stay engaged, stay respectful, and stay curious.
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Hello, everyone and welcome to Alien Talk Podcast. We're glad to have you here with us to share our exploration and discussion of pertinent issues that have been sparking interest in the fields of ufology and extraterrestrial studies. However, it is with a little bit of a heavy heart that we are here today, as this marks the final airing of this program. Yes, that's right. Alien Talk Podcast is now coming to an end after four and a half years, eleven seasons, one hundred and ten episodes, eleven guest appearances, and one published and well- advertised sci-fi novel. It is finally time to sign off. Hard to believe, I know. So, Nora, you and I began this podcast back in April of 2021. It was when COVID was still going on. We were all masked up then. A lot has happened in the world since we began this, and a lot has also happened in our own personal lives. We started this program with a vision of what it could become, which is a simple design on a forum where we could talk sober-mindedly about narratives involving UFOs and aliens by applying reason and logic while only concerning ourselves with relevant evidence and not falling into the area of conspiracy theory. And over the years, I think we've successfully covered a very vast array of topics that pertain to this complex and enigmatic subject about extraterrestrial life. And I also think we were able to display how intensely relevant it is in the minds of many people, and how it really does deserve to have serious dialogue.
Laurie:Yeah, you're right, Joe. And aside from the three major U.S. elections and all the politics that have dominated the headlines, there have also been a number of stories brought forth in the last few years about government UFO disclosure and new academic findings related to various mysteries around the world. Some of those have really brought to the forefront the idea of the real possibility of the existence of alien races, as well as the theory that they have been here on Earth in the ancient past, helping humanity progress into the civilizations that we have today. And there have been conventions with high prof uh profile speakers, some of which you and I attended, like Luis Elizondo about a year ago. So yeah, we touched on a lot of topics, and amidst all of that, yeah, we also wrote a book, and it has definitely been quite a ride as we've hit nearly 400,000 downloads, stretching across 175 countries and it's on every continent. But we do want to make sure everyone knows uh I I guess you can say we're not calling it quits, so so much as we're not, I guess we're just moving on into a different direction, like rebranding, if you will, as they say in the communications business. As it is, we have plans to to start start up a new podcast in the upcoming year. And the exact title of it is still being worked out, but what we're looking at is having a show that is more geared to talking about matters of the Bible, religion, faith, and and challenges that people face, you know, particularly believers, with the embracing of a worldview and a self-view where the area or the idea of God is a central part of it. Mainly, we want to analyze all the long-hill dogmas, the maxims, scriptures, and moral codes that have emerged from you know thousands of years of people and nations flocking to uh religions like Christianity.
Joe:Yeah, we came to realize that the ET and UFO part of our podcast was actually more syncretistic with something bigger that revealed much deeper issues that people uh have, in which the existence of alien intelligence is just something embedded within it. There's just something bigger going on. People have questions not only concerning that, but also about the reality of God, the search for the meaning of life, the purpose of our existence, and humanity's place in the grand scheme of the entire universe. So there's a rich diversity in this quest for deeper understanding with all kinds of disciplines that fall in line with it. You know, there's history, science, both natural and human sciences, philosophy, theology, mysticism, you know, just tons of subjects, tons of material. And of course, the importance of the church with its pervasive message of the Gospel is something that we have found is incredibly prevalent through our interactions with folks out there, whether it be through social media, the internet, or just normal dialogue, and most especially with our own uh circle of friends and families. So we are looking to incorporate more about that theme into our discussions. Certainly we're going to have you know serious debates about matters of things like Biblical history, uh, you know, about the scriptural narratives and the characters within them, about hermeneutics and apologetics, about miracles, prayer, prophecies, and visions, and we will challenge them. Uh, we will challenge them with difficult questions that clearly demand uh sensible answers.
Laurie:Yeah, we want to be as thorough and as comprehensive as we can and look at both sides of the arguments. We'll uh we plan to bring on different guests to share in the conversations, you know, such as ordained pastors who can bring their insight, as well as agnostics who can bring theirs, maybe even atheists. So, or maybe an ancient alien theorist, who knows? But we will still talk about the ETs, the OFOs, ancient alien theory, of course, that that will all still be brought up in some point in time and in certain subjects we talk about.
Joe:Absolutely. That is still very much a part of the bigger conundrum that is found within religious thought, which we know is something that is becoming a more and more prominent part of our culture. For me, I I've always noticed that any prolonged conversations about extraterrestrials, specifically when it deals with the ancient astronaut uh theory, that it usually tend to divert to incorporate discussions about Christianity and about angels and about prayer and about salvation and the afterlife. And this I found is actually true with anything that entails a dialogue about things that are about the paranormal or the supernatural. So it is our hope that we can connect with more listeners by covering topics that I we think are more deeply and personally relatable to them. Meanwhile, Laurie here is going to continue with his own podcast, The Alien Image, in which he will further explore the fascinating study of extraterrestrial and UFO accounts which are happening all over the world. And indeed there are many. So if you're interested in delving into the alien debate even further, uh be sure to check that out.
Laurie:Yeah, and we'll also keep this one Alien Talk Podcast accessible to all of you who want to revisit it on the on the major directories like Spotify, Apple Podcasts, iHeart Radio, whatever. After all, we do have now 110 episodes as of tonight. So I guess you can say uh it has you know, I like reruns of a TV show, I guess. So yeah, uh, but I'll be airing the alien image starting next month on December 1st, hopefully. For those of you who want to continue hearing more about aliens, uh be sure to download it. I've based the name of the podcast from the scripture verse, Let us make man and our image after our likeness, which is, you know, the that would be the extraterrestrials, whatever that that created us. And it's the it's probably the most quoted passage in human history. Uh, but what if those aren't divine words? Like what if they're a direct report from an ancient alien encounter? So that'll be the our the alien talk or the the alien image podcast, you know, which is connecting uh deep scriptural dives with the uh global truth of the UFO phenomena and the ancient alien hypothesis. And and I'm not I'm not guessing, I'm I'm I'm reading the the user manual manual left behind here by the visitors, and that's ancient scriptures, Bible, Torah, you know, Qurans, whatever. But this marks the this is going to be my official beginning, as I say, my mission, like to decode the texts and uncover the Nephilim and discover precisely what was soaring in our ancient skies and what may possibly be flying in our skies today that we don't understand, the UAPs. And I will continue the research and present it to you all. So, you know, be sure to look for the podcast, The Alien Image. And the first episode is airing around December 1st, which will be titled 3I- Atlas Update and the Betlehem Star. So, you know, what is its connection to the Betlehem Star? So you'll just have to uh be talking directly. I'll be talking directly to you on this one, and I'll be doing much of the same stuff as we did here. Although Joe and I will occasionally run some special alien talk podcast together. So say, you know, whenever there is a particular ET or UFO topic that comes up that we think is worthwhile airing, and we can bring it on this one. But overall, I think our next step to start something focusing more on the Bible and Christianity and lists on aliens will be refreshing to some people out there who have been following us for a while. And it is quite apparent that uh issues of religion and faith have you know have always been uh always shown to be very important to, I mean, well, I guess uh pretty much everybody. And and as it is, you and I both have backgrounds in ministry, apologetics, the Biblical studies. And so I think we have a lot to offer in a uh a forum based on these kinds of related discussions discussions. So, and before we move on here, I want to give a you know, Joe, I think you would agree, we want to give a big shout out to our listeners in Australia, such as you know, Sydney, Melbourne, and uh Bisband, because you guys love us out there. You you have all been uh the number one top listener cities for for a good time now. So please keep that momentum going with with me at the Alien Image podcast. And also for those of you who wondered if we can do an episode on the Buga Sphere, I am planning on uh doing that episode soon, so because I too saw a silver sphere earlier this year just solvering up in the sky. So more to come about that. So now let's uh turn to today's topic.
Joe:I agree with you. A big heartfelt thank you to all the listeners out there around the world who have listened in and you know downloaded our podcast over the last four and a half and a half years. Yeah, we couldn't have done it without you. I agree with you on that, Lori.
Laurie:Yeah, absolutely. Yep. So now the um what we're excited to discuss, the man Yosef bin Metalyahu, better known to us all as uh Josephus. In Bible college, we've studied his book as part of our curriculum. And we you know we know him as a Jewish historian who is often referred to as the Christian theologians as a as a significant writer who depicts what uh society was like in the first century A.D., which of course is the time of the life of Jesus. Now, Josephus was was not a Christian, but his work has been credited as being one of non-biblical sources that significantly confirms the authenticity of New Testament narrative. Yet many people probably don't know this, but he documents the appearance of a very strange aerial phenomenon over Jerusalem, and it was supposedly witnessed by much of the population there at the time. So we must ask, what exactly is this thing he mentions, and is there a possible connection to it being something extraterrestrial? More importantly, does it tie in at all with the you know recent discovery of three eye Atlas, the interstellar object that entered our solar system just a few months ago, and has been on so many news feet? So, you know, we'll get into that shortly, and I'll get into that even in more detail with my first episode on the alien image.
Joe:Right, so to start off with, Flavius Josephus, which is the Latin name by which he is known, he is a very enigmatic and polymathic figure. I mean, he wears several hats throughout his life: a Pharisee, a rabbi, an orator, a soldier, and a politician. And he was born into a noble priestly family in Jerusalem in 37 AD, which is just a few years after the crucifixion. Josephus' upbringing provides him with a deep understanding of the Mosaic Law, Jewish history, and Greek philosophy. He was well educated, and because of that, he quickly rose to prominence as a teacher and leader within the land of Judea. Then in 66 AD, just shortly after the death of the Apostle Paul, the Jewish revolt against Rome had erupted. It would be the first one of five over the span of seventy years. Josephus was appointed by the Sanhedrin as a military commander to the province of Galilee, yet despite his efforts to organize and mobilize a substantial force, the overwhelming power of the Roman Tenth Legion, the one led by Vespasian, it proved to be too great. That army was nearly invincible. So after a prolonged siege at Jotapata, which is not far from the town of Nazareth, Josephus and his men were captured, and according to his own account, he survived by surrendering to Vespassian. Now at that point he made a smart move and proclaimed a prediction that the Roman general would soon become emperor. Vespasian liked hearing that and thus spared Josephus' life. And right after this he became something of an official liaison or a diplomat between the Romans and the Jews, and he showed preference or rev reverence to that position by adopting the family name Flavius, so as to honor his new patrons of the Flavian dynasty, which included Vespasian and also his son Titus.
Laurie:Right. Joseph, or sorry, Josephes, Josephus, earned the trust of Vespasian, Vespaspian, in tongue-tied tonight, and became a very close confidant and advisor, even accompanying the uh 10th Legion during the siege and eventual destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. After this, Josephus was granted Roman citizenship and lived under imperial patronage in the city of Rome, where he devoted himself to writing. Josephus's first significant work was called The Wars of the Jews, which was completed around 75 A.D. And it provides a detailed account of the Jewish revolt against Rome, the events leading up to it, and the war's aftermath. And he sought to explain the causes of the conflict and present the Jewish perspective to the Roman audiences while also attempting to justify his own actions during the war. And then in 94 AD, Josephus wrote his next book, The Antiquities of the Jews, a comprehensive history of the Jew of the Hebrews from creation to the outbreak of the Jewish revolt. Written in 20 volumes, this exhaustive work aimed to demonstrate the richness of Judaic history, language, culture, and traditions to a Greco-Roman audience. And Josephus knew or drew upon Old Testament sources as well as his own knowledge and experience to craft a narrative that uh emphasizes the uh continuity and dignity of a Jewish heritage.
Joe:So, yeah, Josephus' prediction or prophecy about Vespasian's rise to power greatly impressed this Roman general and it secured his favor. So once Vespasian ascended to the throne, Josephus enjoyed the privileges of a Roman citizen and lived comfortably in the capital. He remained close to the Flavian family, which gave him access to the imperial libraries for his historical writings, and of course, one of those was the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament. Most scholarly work back then was in Greek. Josephus's were no exception. Now, one of the most debated aspects of Josephus' writings is his reference to Jesus Christ, as you mentioned already. In Antiquities of the Jews, he describes Jesus as a wise man and acknowledges crucifixion under Pontius Pilate. This passage is specially known as the Testimonium Flavianum and is very brief, and its authenticity has been heavily contested by scholars for many years. Most agree that Josephus recognized Jesus as being a significant figure in first century Judea, even calling him the Christ, thus providing an early parallel account of the gospel. He references John the Baptist as well. Yet by the same token, Josephus was not a direct witness to the life and ministry of either Jesus or John the Baptist. He wasn't even around until well after Jesus' crucifixion and well after the death of John the Baptist. Many ancient texts may prove to be authentic, however, the accuracy of the source material is often considered to be weak, sometimes very weak, even for those ones thought to be apostolic. Meaning we might be confident that the author, the named author, did write it, but that he was writing about what may not be factual or at least cannot be verified by firsthand accounts. And actually, sometimes we're not even confident of that. Sometimes we're not even confident that the name on the manuscript is the name of the author who wrote it.
Laurie:That's right. But I mean, Josephus was writing down stories that he had heard, and you know, there are some who uh even think that the the testimonium uh flavinium is nothing but a uh redaction created hundreds of years later by you know the church leaders. Like you said, the whole passage is pretty short and brief, and it says, Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure, he drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles, and he was the Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him, and the tribe of Christians who are so named from him are not extinct at this day. So, I mean, the the first couple lines uh I I don't know, I I can't see how this is actually added in there by people who later in Christianity that put that in there. It seems like this man was probably Joe uh Josephus writing this, and because he does say in other parts of the book that it's like he's there as he's witnessing the light and everything that shines down on uh on over the city, and he talks about the you know the well we'll get into it. So, but anyway, this that excerpt I just read from uh read from is is from the Antiquities of the Jews, book 18, chapter 3, from the works of Josephus. Translated, but this was translated by a William Weston X Hendrickson publishers back in 1987.
Joe:Yeah, and then as far as that dispute about redactions, you have to realize at the time they were only you know so many people had control and access to you know some of these manuscripts, so they would be able to change things without a whole big huge piece of the population knowing about it until maybe centuries later. They look at this from in terms of stylistic uh authorship and penmanship. Again, it's disputed that there are many who do not think it is a redaction, and there have been other scholars who look at it, you know, particularly with the Greek version and see some differences in penmanship. But then again, you know, one person can vary his penmanship, you know, even in writing anything. Uh we see plenty of examples of that. So it just it's just hard to say. We don't know exactly. It's a it's heavily debated. But regardless, uh Flavius Josephus is considered one of the most important sources for understanding Jewish life and society in what is called the Second Temple Period. His works remain invaluable to historians and theologians alike, offering insight into the social and political complexities of identity, loyalty, and faith during the time that the early church was beginning to form. Really, anyone who is dedicated to studying the Bible and the history of Christianity's origins needs to have a copy of Josephus.
Laurie:Yep, I definitely do. Me too. Huh?
Joe:Me too.
Laurie:Yeah. Now, probably the most striking feature found in Josephus is his description of a comet that I spoke about earlier that reportedly circled the earth for an entire year. According to his account, it appeared as a fiery sword, which lingered in the sky and was seen by many as a warning of impending catastrophe. Such a prolonged appearance was interpreted by the people of Jerusalem as a as a recipe of disaster, fueling anxiety and speculation about the city's fate. And not only that, but he also says that even at three o'clock in the morning, in the darkness of the early morning, it lit up the ground as it was as as if it was like daytime. It's like one of those big bright harvest moons, I guess. And but you can't help but wonder what the what the you know the heck he's talking about. And because comets don't do that. That would make it at least as as bright as the full moon, like I said. And he also wrote about another celestial sign. It was a star, also resembling a sword that appeared to, again, that appeared in the early hours of the month, Nissan, which is I think that's corresponding to period of like March, April months in the Gregorian calendar, somewhere around there. Same month as like Easter and Passover, by the way. So, but now this star's unusual shape and its particular timing of its arrival were considered highly significant to anyone versed in divination and astrology. Because many people, or uh many of them, interpreted it as a supernatural omen of war and bloodshed, a sign of things to soon come. And the sword-like from suggested violence, that forms the sword, I guess, is what they they would interpret it as violence, because the sword is a symbol of violence that kills, you know, violence, conflict, and suffering that all aligned with the turbulent events that did indeed unfold in Judea, which is the wars of the Jews, which is what Philphesus Josephus had talked about. And perhaps the most airy and dramatic of Josephus' accounts was the vision of the armies of the sky, which were seen circling above Jerusalem. And he describes witnesses who saw ranks of soldiers and chariots moving through the clouds, seemingly preparing for battle. So this astonishing spectacle lasted for days and was so convincing that many believed it was a sign from God foretelling the coming war and the eventual destruction of Jerusalem. So just Josephus emphasizes that these visions were not isolated. Multiple people reported them and were widely discussed at the time. And so, I mean, with that, that probably not visions at all, but maybe actual, you know, UAPs up in the sky, ancient sky.
Joe:Well, Josephus' description of these aerial phenomena played a significant role in shaping ancient and later perceptions of Jerusalem's fate. In his narrative, such signs were seen as divine warnings, messages from the heavens that disaster was imminent. And the vividness and drama of Josephus' accounts continue to intrigue readers today, raising questions about the intersection of history, legend, and the belief in times of crisis. Remember, it is uh is problematic when any ancient writer claims that something extraordinary happened and that there were a whole lot of other folks who directly witnessed it, yet we don't know who they are. No names or testimonies were ever written by them. We run into the same thing in Matthew 27: 51, where right after Jesus dies on the cross, the ground shook and the rocks split open, and dead holy people came out of the tombs and walked around being seen by many people. And again in 1 Corinthians 15: 6, Paul claims that more than 500 people encountered the risen Jesus before his ascension. Who were they? And do we have any accounts from them? The answer is no. And that means with all of this, whether in Josephus or in even the Synoptic Gospels, it is a whole bunch of reporting that is removed by the author through witness statements that are, you know, secondhand, third hand, fourth hand, often even beyond that. So with a lot of books from back then, even ones considered as historical record, we find that corroboration and confirmation of accuracy is not as much of importance as is the effectiveness of making the main ideas of the narrative resonate with the reason, readers. Josephus wrote in a similar manner, these strange aerial phenomena that are described in the wars of the Jews, the comets circling the earth, the sword-shaped star, and the armies in the sky, they demonstrate how extraordinary events were interpreted as omens, importance in the ancient world. So seeing things in the sky were taken very seriously as they were to believe to be very significant in their meaning towards the affairs of men. And this is where a lot of times we see factual record and fable begin to overlap. Whatever it was that astrologers said back then was listened to by kings, emperors, generals, scribes, everyone. Something said to be a curse was a big deal to them. So in the context of Josephus' writings, this was all meant to be seen as a prelude to the end of an error, not so much being concerned over accuracy of details. The importance of this error is that Jerusalem was the center of Jewish thinking and Jewish faith and Jewish identity, and it is now the end of an age. It is now the end of the age of the temple of the Lord, and that's very significant to the Jewish nationality, especially in the first century.
Laurie:You know, Joe, a lot of people, this is why a lot of people believe that the rapture already took place. They they believe the rapture took place during that time that you spoke about after Christ died, because um it did say that Jesus always said, I'll soon return, like soon, very soon, very quickly. Yeah. And when he died, it's just that people rose from the dead and were walking around. So that is spoken about by Paul in, of course, one of his letters to Thessalonians, saying where the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we would start alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the in the air. And you know, I don't know. We don't know, maybe things weren't documented. Some things weren't documented, such as did these circling armies in the sky going about the clouds, did they take people back then? You know, because revelation is so is so direct when it comes to saying one person, two people will be in the field, one will be taken, the other left. We don't know, you know, maybe these things were left out, left undocumented to to any of the writings that we have today. Um you have any thoughts on that?
Joe:And of course, I've always, you know, kind of wrestled with the meaning of you know, I will return soon. Okay. Soon means, yeah, within at least a year. I I don't know to this kind of stretch the idea that soon to God could expand. 2000 years. Yeah. See people you know kind of uh proclaiming today. Yeah, when you read these narratives in the Synoptic Gospels, and certainly when you read Paul, the idea is that he's coming back soon. He's not it's not gonna be, you know, this undisclosed time of century after century. It's gonna be really soon. And and in and truly, when you see you know the sort of the social dynamics going on with the early church, they were expecting the end of an error very soon. They were expecting this kingdom of heaven to arrive very soon, and that the fulfillment of the gospel was going to be in their lifetime, not in the 21st century. You know, no, they were thinking in the first century. Yeah, when this happened. And then you see it in the martyr movement that was very prevalent in the first, second, third centuries. The idea is that life here on earth is not really meaningful or not the priority. You see this theme very heavily in Paul, but seek your eyes on the things of heaven, not on the things of earth. So to give up your life here on earth for the cause of spreading the gospel and living it as the life as a good Christian, was that you found the better reward of going into heaven. And and that was gonna be coming soon. So, yeah, you do kind of see that that theme. And yeah, I wonder in terms of documentation. We're lucky we have anything from back then. In my opinion, it's like people, you know, their ability to read and write back then, it was this elite group of folks who were scribes and educated enough to to read and write, and it was not the vast majority of the population. So yeah, I'm sure there are things that are left out of what happened back then that either if they were documented, they were lost, or like he said, weren't documented at all. That could very well be conceivable.
Laurie:Yeah, and that's what I mean. It's like we we've talked before about how the uh you know, the seven-year war during this time, this wars of the Jews that uh Josephus was talking about, that was the seven years. We we kind of uh compared that to the seven-year tribulation period because Nero's number actually works out to 666 and the whole coin thing, the money of the beast is actually being referred to as mark of the beast. Mark means money, all that stuff. So there's a good possibility that you know that all these end times stuff that we're going on with today has already happened. And you know, could it be then that you know the Roman Empire, or not the Roman Empire, but the Roman Catholic Church, you know, began to set up Christ's kingdom on earth, paved the way for Christ's kingdom on earth, which is as he says in the Lord's Prayer, you know, thy kingdom, our fathers are in heaven, hallowed name, you know, thy kingdom come. And you think about it when what's the name of the Constantine, when Constantine created Constantinople, it lasted for thousands for a thousand years. And remember, after after the rapture and all of that stuff, that's when the thousand-year millennial reign is supposed to happen, Christ's kingdom on earth, and that's what Constantinople means, is uh like Christ's kingdom on earth, and it lasted for you know a thousand years. So coincidence, yeah, I don't know, or it could be actual prophetic, you know, prophecies coming coming through and have come and gone. But anyway, so uh whether these these were actual that you're talking about earlier, they're the actual astronom uh astronomical events, or if they're symbolic depictions, they reflect the anxiety and anticipation that that gripped Jerusalem throughout the eve of this destruction. And this analysis posits that the events documented during this time period can be interpreted as genuine unidentified aerial phenomena, UAPs. Josephus demonstrated insight by incorporating these celestial occurrences, which numerous witnesses are reported to have seen with their own eyes. And so this historical account is frequently overlooked. It's uh dismissed by many religious leaders and scholars who they often characterize these phenomena as angelic beings preparing for this celestial battle. However, if these purported armies in the sky were said to have been observed by ordinary individuals, then it is imperative that we connect the dots and accurately identify these events as potential alien intervention or possibly an invasion. Uh so consider the context. A comet was initially observed in the sky. It was followed by a luminous object that hovered over the city for about 30 minutes at like three o'clock in the morning. So subsequently, a fantastic and you know significant conflict ensued during which the people of Judea reportedly witnessed a large fleet in the sky characterized by you know round chariots navigating through the clouds in a formation that surrounded the city. So, I mean, it does make you wonder if we are due for a repeat of these kinds of events by another visiting comet, which, and you know the the one I'm talking about, which we spoke about in our last episode, and that is three eye Atlas. And I mean, it has been covered quite a bit now. According to several news outlets, it is now claimed that it has brightened and after approaching the sun or passing the sun, wherever it is right now, and you know, it now it's also accelerating. And I think it went from like 136,000 miles per hour to like 157,000 now, and it's not it's not done uh due to gas emissions that uh occur naturally on comets. Again, we we're not saying that it is for certain an alien starship, but I mean, we don't know for sure due to the scientific explanations for its unusual behavior. But yet, when we think of the the omen that revealed in Josephus about what the comet foretold to the people, you know, are we in are we to view three Atnis in the same light? A great disaster happened after that comet, the Jewish nation who you know essentially came to an end in its capital Jerusalem, a a beacon not only of the earthly wealth and greatness, but also of a spiritual covenant with the heavenly God was completely leveled, destroyed. So, with all the you know the turmoil turmoil going on in the world today, could this comet also be an omen of a similar type that is signaling a destructive things to come? I mean, this hope not, right?
Joe:Yeah, for sure. Let's hope not. Yeah, bad things are definitely happening all over. Watching the news, we usually don't see very much in the way of positive stories being reported anywhere. It's important to always keep in mind that bad things have always been going on. And there were times when things were even far worse than they are today. Uh, living as a Jew in the first century Jerusalem certainly seems like it would have been such a time. With three eye atlas, what is making it kind of a special comet compared to other thousands and thousands of comets sightings from over the centuries is that it is interstellar, and it is only one of three that have been assessed by scientists to have come from deep space, all three of them being discovered within the last eight years. Now, this designation is given due to it having a very hyperbolic orbit around the sun that puts its trajectory as coming from somewhere extremely far away, even for a comet. And that added to some of the other characteristics notice about it, such as its size, its composition, its spectroscopy, its strange velocity and directional changes, sort of which seem to defy the laws of celestial mechanics and gravitation. It can make anyone wonder if it's not perhaps something else, some intelligence or something controlled by an intelligence. And when we learn about stories from the past that tell of bizarre sightings and occurrences that seem to have no explanation with what like Josephus is mentioning, we're left to wonder if everything extraordinary and unusual isn't somehow part of something much larger at work, if there isn't one answer that satisfies all of these mysteries. And I think the answer that many of us seek is one that points to these things as not being of this world. Hence our proclivity contemplates the notion that there exist intelligent beings and forces, whatever they may be, uh, that originate from beyond the earth that we here you know call home. Of course, we all want to know what those astral images are that Josephus ascribes and if they are related to what we are finding out now with the comet or interstellar object 3I Atlas. Is it going to be the same thing of sorts? Aside from the literary evidence, we are hard pressed to find any proof of Josephus's year-long bright comet hovering over Jerusalem, for that matter, the Star of Bethlehem hanging right above the spot where the infant Christ was said to be. So it is really hard to say if we can assign any significant meaning to these kinds of stories about things observed in the sky when that's all we have are the stories.
Laurie:Well, more reports are emerging about three-eye atlas and its unusual behavior. I mean, as as it approached the sun, it it brightened, like I said. And but what's raising eyebrows is that it it hadn't it hasn't developed a tail. Something we typically expect from comets. And I however I think it's starting to now, last I checked. But anyway, instead it's uh it it is producing carbon monoxide and nickel and has changed its trajectory towards Earth now. And it's it seems like now they're saying it's breaking apart into several pieces and changing its color from red to a blue hue. So could this be a mothership splitting into smaller craft? Sounds straight a sounds like straight out of a movie like Independence Day, which is a scenario I really hope isn't true. But anyway, it's odd behavior, is is why the scientific community is is getting anxious now. And it is all over social media, and there's even a self-proclaimed remote viewer who appeared on British TV claiming that uh the Manhattan-sized ship holds about five million reptilian aliens that are asleep in pods, suspended in a uh deep sleep, and on their way to reclaim their planet after thousands of years. So when I read when I read scriptures like those from Revelation, hearing someone talk about pods crashing from space and beings emerging to torment humanity, it really makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Joe:Well, I I suppose we'll find out more right around the time of the holidays.
Laurie:Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
Joe:Personally, I I think what we can expect will come from 3i Atlas is that it will pass from our solar system, just as Oumuamua and Borisov did. And we will make some good, clear observations of it with all of our capable telescopes and detect various emissions. Data will be collected and gathered, measurements and analysis will be made. In the end, we will have more questions than answers, and there'll continue to be a heck of a lot of speculation about what it truly is. Some will say it is nothing more than a comet, and others will reaffirm their positions that it is a piece of some kind of extraterrestrial technology. Perhaps I may sound a little cynical, but I I think we'll be no better or worse off than we are now, and none the wiser for it. If it does truly turn out to be a large alien star destroyer type of ship coming to Earth, then I say we have bigger problems than just me being wrong. That would definitely be the case now, wouldn't it?
Laurie:Third time's a charm, Joe.
Joe:Indeed. Let's hope that's this is not a charm. This is a bad thing. Let's hope third time is not a charm. So that will conclude the discussion. Now, Laurie, people out there have to know, I have to know, out of the 109 episodes, we can't count this one, which one of them was your favorite?
Laurie:That's a hard question. I actually like a lot of them, of course, because we created them. But I like Valiant Thor. That was a good one. The Galactic Federation one is a nice one too. But I think my favorite would have to be the Reptilians, Aliens of a Sinister Kind. Yeah, that one.
Joe:What's yours? You know, I I've thought about that for a while. So there were some shows we did that we were clearly more passionate about than others, and I think that came across in how we delivered some of the topics and with how much time we devoted to discussing them. Uh, you know, the secrets of Enoch was one I really liked. So was the one about UFOs and ancient art and the uh clandestine NASA. So many of them were really good. However, I have to say my favorite one was the Vatican Archives. I just really like getting into the whole history of Europe and the Catholic Church and talking about all the secretiveness of it. The idea that certain elite people from back in the Middle Ages obtain recorded information about even more ancient knowledge that was much more advanced and elaborate than we ever thought imaginable. That to me is just really fascinating. And we think of the medieval past or or even sometime, you know, like the Victorian era, as being a time period when people didn't know much or knew relatively little, certainly not as much as we know now. Therefore, the thought of of it, even if it's only imaginative, that monks, bishops, and popes have possessed things stashed away deep in the Vatican that prove aliens do indeed exist and have been on our planet since the beginning of time, I just think that's that's great stuff for the mind to ponder.
Laurie:Yeah, I agree. Yeah, many of the subjects we got into were really just incredible to talk about. I had fun doing them. And I mean, they were very thought-provoking, very in-depth, and very challenging. I mean, we poured our heart and soul into these episodes. You know, they're very um, they're very challenging to the established order of religious thinking as well as scientific thinking and and even political thinking. So I I know we we would always wonder if the episodes would be too short in their you know time lengths, but that was never a problem. We would always be able to reach 40 minutes, 50 minutes, sometimes even an hour with these shows. And there was always plenty to discuss, examine, and analyze. It was truly a fabulous pursuit undertaken by us to learn more about all these amazing things.
Joe:Yeah, indeed it was. So I'd like to wrap it up with a quote from Galileo, just before he was put on trial during the Inquisition, and that is all truths are easy to understand once they are discovered. The difficulty is in actually discovering them. If there's anything to be taken away from this, it is a humble appreciation that there is so much about the universe, so much out there that we do not know, and that we must never cease in our desire to continually seek out the most profound truths and to keep our interest in doing so, and to keep our curiosity to always be explorers. So, Laurie, it has been an honor to be your co-host on this show. It was a lot of fun, and I think we've made significant strides into getting our names and getting our subject matter out there in podcast land. So, thank you for what you've done to help us get here. Good luck with your next one, and I hope everyone out there listening will tune in to the Alien Image, in which Laurie will present interesting topics about UFO encounters, government program disclosure, ancient alien theory, and all facets concerning the notions of extraterrestrial life existing far out among the stars, or even here close to our planet. So check it out. Lori again, best of luck, and I have a feeling we'll be teaming up here again in the near future with our next podcast. So, all of you, please keep a lookout for it.
Laurie:Yeah, it was a great honor to do this with you, Joe. You also contributed a great deal of research, and we had a lot of fun doing it. And the podcast and the writing of our novel were awesome experiences. So, yeah, a big thanks to you, my friend. And I'll be mentioning our new upcoming show uh throughout my episodes and giving out the dates for that in order to keep everyone apprised of when it will be set to begin. And of course, you can still download any of these old episodes and even our books. Don't forget our books, our latest one, Battle Planet AD, Relic of the Gods, it and uh the others are available on Amazon, Barnes Noble, Google, wherever those outlets are. And I really, really appreciate, we really appreciate all the support you you all gave this uh podcast.
Joe:Yeah, thank you, my friend. And and yes, to all of you, uh, as we said, we who faithfully tuned into our program over the past four and a half years, and and for all of the Facebook comments and likes that you posted, we want to thank you for that. Uh, you've all helped to inspire us to work harder and to bring forth the plethora of material to present and discuss. And we hope that you have found a dialogue to be intriguing and maybe even uplifting in some way.
Laurie:Yeah, uh, we'll certainly keep that Facebook page up at least for a while, in addition to the website. So uh we'll continue to reply to any of you who wish to contact us. And like I said earlier, who's to say we won't occasionally do another Alien Talk Podcast episode? So there could very be well be topics that come up which uh we think would be best put right out here on this platform. And yeah, we can come back to discuss it. And well, we never who knows, right? After if if we determine that this is definitely an alien ship that's coming towards us, maybe we uh do an emergency uh kind of show then, you know, kind of like an alien talk podcast reunion for sure.
Joe:Well, I like the idea of a reunion, but let's hope we don't have to do anything like that of you know, telling people please seek shelter or seek escape. So where are you where are you gonna go? That's a problem. So yeah, absolutely. There's a very good chance that we will do just that and and have uh another episode of Alien Talk Podcasts at some point in time. And finally, we can't forget our wives and our families. We want to sincerely thank them for their encouragement and support. We especially want to express our appreciation to our wives for their patience with us for all the hours we had to set aside for the research and prep and coordination to go on and record these 110 episodes of ours. We love you and thank you. So, folks, it has been a privilege for us to have been a part of your list of podcast faves and to have connected with so many of you from so many places. The show may have ended, but the message has not. And with that, we hope for all of you out there to stay engaged, to stay respectful, and most of all, to stay curious. So long, everyone.
