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And having that"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2803.1,"endTime":2806.85,"body":"with me of talking through what"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2806.85,"endTime":2810.78,"body":"it looks like to embrace our"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2806.85,"endTime":2810.78,"body":"limits, and to have the space"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2810.78,"endTime":2814.59,"body":"where we can find God and in the"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2810.78,"endTime":2814.59,"body":"small in the particular place"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2814.59,"endTime":2817.83,"body":"that we're at, that we could"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2814.59,"endTime":2817.83,"body":"have a more embodied faith that"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2817.83,"endTime":2821.97,"body":"we could move from the head into"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2817.83,"endTime":2821.97,"body":"our practice and what we're"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2821.97,"endTime":2825.6,"body":"doing that we could be connected"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2821.97,"endTime":2825.6,"body":"with community and with a God"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2825.6,"endTime":2829.95,"body":"that we could say, I am"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2825.6,"endTime":2829.95,"body":"dependent on others, not just"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2830.01,"endTime":2836.07,"body":"independent myself, and then"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2830.01,"endTime":2836.07,"body":"figuring out, hey, is there a"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2836.07,"endTime":2840.21,"body":"way forward in these culture"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2836.07,"endTime":2840.21,"body":"wars as we move forward? So,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2840.63,"endTime":2843.81,"body":"Ashley, thank you for this"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2840.63,"endTime":2843.81,"body":"conversation. I loved it, and so"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2843.81,"endTime":2843.9900000000002,"body":"are"},{"speaker":"Ashley Hales","startTime":2843.9900000000002,"endTime":2848.04,"body":"so yeah, thanks."},{"speaker":"Ashley Hales","startTime":2843.9900000000002,"endTime":2848.04,"body":"Thanks for inviting me. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ashley Hales","startTime":2848.1,"endTime":2848.4,"body":"bye."}]}