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And to"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3649.28,"endTime":3652.64,"body":"figure out are we you know,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3652.64,"endTime":3655.55,"body":"where is the place where we need"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3652.64,"endTime":3655.55,"body":"to have bounded sets, and then"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3655.64,"endTime":3659.69,"body":"centered sets for mission. And"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3655.64,"endTime":3659.69,"body":"it's really helpful as you're"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3659.72,"endTime":3663.8,"body":"walking through the book and,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3659.72,"endTime":3663.8,"body":"and reading it. 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And I think a lot of"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3673.76,"endTime":3678.59,"body":"people would do really well to"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3673.76,"endTime":3678.59,"body":"get the book and put it into"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3678.59,"endTime":3682.79,"body":"practice centered discipleship."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3678.59,"endTime":3682.79,"body":"And say, this is the thing that"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3682.79,"endTime":3686.51,"body":"we want to make Jesus the"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3682.79,"endTime":3686.51,"body":"center, we want to imitate him"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3686.63,"endTime":3690.95,"body":"together and commute a day"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3686.63,"endTime":3690.95,"body":"community so that we could have"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3690.95,"endTime":3694.52,"body":"an impact in the world. And we"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3690.95,"endTime":3694.52,"body":"could be on mission together and"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3694.52,"endTime":3698.06,"body":"we could see the kingdom of God"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3694.52,"endTime":3698.06,"body":"come on earth as it is in"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3698.06,"endTime":3701.12,"body":"heaven. So thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3698.06,"endTime":3701.12,"body":"this conversation. It was"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3701.12,"endTime":3704.06,"body":"fantastic. I love that. So thank"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3701.12,"endTime":3704.06,"body":"you, Pablo."},{"speaker":"Eun K. Strawser","startTime":3704.09,"endTime":3706.28,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Eun K. Strawser","startTime":3704.09,"endTime":3706.28,"body":"Thank you for the opportunity."},{"speaker":"Eun K. 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