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And we could"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3255.41,"endTime":3261.41,"body":"like work through complex in a"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3261.41,"endTime":3265.37,"body":"way that is healthy, and that"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3261.41,"endTime":3265.37,"body":"our friendships can last and"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3265.37,"endTime":3269.21,"body":"they could actually help us and"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3265.37,"endTime":3269.21,"body":"form us. So we could look more"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3269.2400000000002,"endTime":3271.97,"body":"like Jesus some thank you for"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3269.2400000000002,"endTime":3271.97,"body":"this. It was a fantastic"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3271.97,"endTime":3273.56,"body":"conversation. I really, really"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3271.97,"endTime":3273.56,"body":"enjoyed it."},{"speaker":"Bryan Loritts","startTime":3274.64,"endTime":3275.96,"body":"Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Bryan Loritts","startTime":3274.64,"endTime":3275.96,"body":"much, Joshua."}]}