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And it's going to be so"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2981.12,"endTime":2985.98,"body":"wildly surprising, and nothing"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2981.12,"endTime":2985.98,"body":"is going to go as planned. Keep"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2985.98,"endTime":2989.79,"body":"clinging to Jesus. And the"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2985.98,"endTime":2989.79,"body":"deepest and the darkest valleys"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2989.79,"endTime":2992.46,"body":"that you will experience through"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2989.79,"endTime":2992.46,"body":"pain, through loss through"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2992.46,"endTime":2996.69,"body":"death, through betrayal, through"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2992.46,"endTime":2996.69,"body":"confusion, and disorientation"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2996.69,"endTime":2999.93,"body":"God sees you. And the best is"},{"speaker":"Tara Beth Leach","startTime":2996.69,"endTime":2999.93,"body":"yet to come."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3000.41,"endTime":3002.33,"body":"I'll tell you"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3000.41,"endTime":3002.33,"body":"about. Thank you for this"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3002.33,"endTime":3006.41,"body":"conversation. I hope people go"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3002.33,"endTime":3006.41,"body":"out and actually dig into this"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3006.41,"endTime":3009.59,"body":"study. I think it's gonna be"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3006.41,"endTime":3009.59,"body":"really helpful for people to"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3009.59,"endTime":3014.33,"body":"live in the light and to live"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3009.59,"endTime":3014.33,"body":"the way that that God is calling"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3014.33,"endTime":3017.51,"body":"us to be to actually see the"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3014.33,"endTime":3017.51,"body":"fruit of the Spirit actually"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3017.51,"endTime":3022.31,"body":"come out of us to have a rule of"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3017.51,"endTime":3022.31,"body":"life so that we could order our"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3022.31,"endTime":3028.85,"body":"lives towards Jesus to look like"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3022.31,"endTime":3028.85,"body":"him that we could be in the"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3028.85,"endTime":3032.06,"body":"culture, not just fight culture"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3028.85,"endTime":3032.06,"body":"wars, but we could actually be"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3032.63,"endTime":3036.26,"body":"lights to the world. So Tara"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3032.63,"endTime":3036.26,"body":"Beth, thank you for this"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3036.26,"endTime":3038.54,"body":"conversation. I really, really"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3036.26,"endTime":3038.54,"body":"enjoyed talking to you"}]}