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So that's just one"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3306.44,"endTime":3309.26,"body":"example of some of the stuff"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3306.44,"endTime":3309.26,"body":"that I'm I'm looking at related"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3309.26,"endTime":3309.62,"body":"to that."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3310.34,"endTime":3312.38,"body":"That's great."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3310.34,"endTime":3312.38,"body":"It's fantastic book. I really"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3312.38,"endTime":3316.76,"body":"enjoy it, so I recommend it as"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3312.38,"endTime":3316.76,"body":"well. I call how can people go"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3316.82,"endTime":3320.18,"body":"get your book? The word"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3316.82,"endTime":3320.18,"body":"fulfilled, and where else would"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3320.18,"endTime":3321.08,"body":"you like point people"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3322.7,"endTime":3325.54,"body":"to? It's the word"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3322.7,"endTime":3325.54,"body":"fulfilled. Is available at"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3325.54,"endTime":3328.06,"body":"wherever your favorite"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3325.54,"endTime":3328.06,"body":"bookseller is. You can get it"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3328.06,"endTime":3330.34,"body":"online at all the major"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3328.06,"endTime":3330.34,"body":"booksellers. I'm not going to"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3330.34,"endTime":3334.0,"body":"name them, but you can find"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3330.34,"endTime":3334.0,"body":"them, or even your favorite"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3334.0,"endTime":3337.48,"body":"independent bookseller. It's"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3334.0,"endTime":3337.48,"body":"available through Herald press."},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3338.26,"endTime":3340.9,"body":"It's also available if you're in"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3338.26,"endTime":3340.9,"body":"Canada. It's available through"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3340.9,"endTime":3341.56,"body":"commonword.ca"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3342.7,"endTime":3344.28,"body":"sounds good."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3342.7,"endTime":3344.28,"body":"Well, Michael, thank you for"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3344.28,"endTime":3346.5,"body":"this conversation. It's"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3344.28,"endTime":3346.5,"body":"fascinating to actually think,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3346.56,"endTime":3350.1,"body":"How did Jesus engage with"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3346.56,"endTime":3350.1,"body":"Scripture and read Scripture? I"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3350.1,"endTime":3354.54,"body":"don't think people think about"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3350.1,"endTime":3354.54,"body":"it very often. To be able to do"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3354.6,"endTime":3357.96,"body":"those sort of things and see"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3354.6,"endTime":3357.96,"body":"Jesus, but as a disciple of"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3357.96,"endTime":3362.18,"body":"Jesus, we should be seeing how"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3357.96,"endTime":3362.18,"body":"Jesus. Engaged in all of life"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3362.42,"endTime":3365.48,"body":"and in Scripture, and that"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3362.42,"endTime":3365.48,"body":"should inform the way that we"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3365.48,"endTime":3369.98,"body":"are disciples of Jesus, the way"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3365.48,"endTime":3369.98,"body":"that we read Scripture as well."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3370.22,"endTime":3374.84,"body":"So thank you. It was fantastic."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3370.22,"endTime":3374.84,"body":"I love this conversation. Thank"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3374.84,"endTime":3375.5,"body":"you so much,"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3376.04,"endTime":3378.44,"body":"great. Thank you"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3376.04,"endTime":3378.44,"body":"so much. Good to be on good to"},{"speaker":"Michael Pahl","startTime":3378.44,"endTime":3379.64,"body":"be on the podcast with you."}]}