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This is why"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2894.96,"endTime":2899.22,"body":"he needed a daily encounter with"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2899.22,"endTime":2904.46,"body":"Jesus, and that we can move from"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2899.22,"endTime":2904.46,"body":"being discipled by the Internet"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2904.58,"endTime":2909.2,"body":"and then our age of knowledge"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2904.58,"endTime":2909.2,"body":"and attention, into a space"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2909.2,"endTime":2913.94,"body":"where we can encounter Jesus on"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2909.2,"endTime":2913.94,"body":"a daily basis, so that every day"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2913.94,"endTime":2917.6,"body":"we can experience Him, we could"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2913.94,"endTime":2917.6,"body":"know him, and that it actually"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2917.84,"endTime":2922.42,"body":"involves all of our life, and"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2917.84,"endTime":2922.42,"body":"not Just a small section of our"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2922.42,"endTime":2926.8,"body":"life, but in our daily rhythms,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2922.42,"endTime":2926.8,"body":"our daily life and our daily"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2926.8,"endTime":2931.12,"body":"relationships, it impacts all of"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2926.8,"endTime":2931.12,"body":"it, because we are people with a"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2931.12,"endTime":2935.5,"body":"soul that is yearning for home,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2931.12,"endTime":2935.5,"body":"and we know that our home is"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2935.5,"endTime":2938.44,"body":"found in Jesus. So thank you,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":2935.5,"endTime":2938.44,"body":"John, it was fantastic."},{"speaker":"John Eldredge","startTime":2938.8,"endTime":2940.78,"body":"Joshua, thank"},{"speaker":"John Eldredge","startTime":2938.8,"endTime":2940.78,"body":"you. Thanks for the great"},{"speaker":"John Eldredge","startTime":2940.78,"endTime":2942.48,"body":"conversation. Thanks you."}]}