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And so it was"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3214.42,"endTime":3216.82,"body":"beautiful. I love our"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3216.82,"endTime":3219.24,"body":"conversation. Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3216.82,"endTime":3219.24,"body":"Thanks."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3219.24,"endTime":3220.02,"body":"Those are a pleasure."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3219.24,"endTime":3220.02,"body":"You."}]}