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Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3358.26,"endTime":3360.9,"body":"diving deep into your own story."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3360.98,"endTime":3365.48,"body":"Into Ignatian spirituality, into"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3360.98,"endTime":3365.48,"body":"peace, into figuring out, hey,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3365.48,"endTime":3368.78,"body":"is there a better way and a new"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3365.48,"endTime":3368.78,"body":"way that we could live in a"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3368.78,"endTime":3372.44,"body":"subversive way that brings about"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3368.78,"endTime":3372.44,"body":"the peace that we so desperately"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3372.62,"endTime":3375.62,"body":"seek and need? So thank you. It"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3372.62,"endTime":3375.62,"body":"was a fantastic conversation."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3375.62,"endTime":3378.98,"body":"Love talking to you. Wish we"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3375.62,"endTime":3378.98,"body":"could do it more often. It was"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3378.98,"endTime":3379.7,"body":"good. Happy to come."},{"speaker":"Eric Clayton","startTime":3379.7,"endTime":3381.28,"body":"Happy to come"},{"speaker":"Eric Clayton","startTime":3379.7,"endTime":3381.28,"body":"back. Thank you. It was a lot of"},{"speaker":"Eric Clayton","startTime":3381.28,"endTime":3381.46,"body":"fun."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3381.7,"endTime":3382.66,"body":"All right,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3381.7,"endTime":3382.66,"body":"thanks, Eric, you."}]}