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Hours, run"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":2989.56,"endTime":2994.3,"body":"less projects, be involved with"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":2989.56,"endTime":2994.3,"body":"less people, reduce all of that"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":2994.3,"endTime":3002.54,"body":"drastically and have time to"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":2994.3,"endTime":3002.54,"body":"pause and reflect and evaluate"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3002.54,"endTime":3009.44,"body":"and adapt prayerfully. I think"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3002.54,"endTime":3009.44,"body":"that is probably the number one"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3009.44,"endTime":3014.72,"body":"advice, if I could do it again,"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3009.44,"endTime":3014.72,"body":"starting out at 21 that I would"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3014.72,"endTime":3019.28,"body":"tell myself, and that would put,"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3014.72,"endTime":3019.28,"body":"put my life on, on, on an even"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3019.28,"endTime":3020.84,"body":"better trajectory."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3021.32,"endTime":3023.32,"body":"That's good."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3021.32,"endTime":3023.32,"body":"Anything you've been reading or"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3023.32,"endTime":3024.88,"body":"watching lately, you could"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3023.32,"endTime":3024.88,"body":"recommend,"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3025.6,"endTime":3027.88,"body":"um, related to"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3025.6,"endTime":3027.88,"body":"this, or just in general,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3027.88,"endTime":3029.5,"body":"anything,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3027.88,"endTime":3029.5,"body":"anything,"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3030.46,"endTime":3032.92,"body":"well, I have"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3030.46,"endTime":3032.92,"body":"always a pile of books, really,"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3032.92,"endTime":3037.72,"body":"I'm leading at the same time,"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3032.92,"endTime":3037.72,"body":"but I be because I believe you"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3037.72,"endTime":3044.1,"body":"we are kind of in the same tribe"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3037.72,"endTime":3044.1,"body":"of you know, CPM and DMM, I"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3044.1,"endTime":3049.68,"body":"recently met Alan Hirsch, who is"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3044.1,"endTime":3049.68,"body":"also bringing a movemental"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3049.68,"endTime":3055.56,"body":"approach to to to the faith and"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3049.68,"endTime":3055.56,"body":"to the church. His focus is more"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3055.56,"endTime":3059.04,"body":"on the church in the global"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3055.56,"endTime":3059.04,"body":"north, and I have been"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3059.1,"endTime":3062.9,"body":"benefiting immensely from. The"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3059.1,"endTime":3062.9,"body":"book, The Forgotten ways"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3063.2,"endTime":3067.28,"body":"reactivating. What's the"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3063.2,"endTime":3067.28,"body":"subtitle, apostolic movements."},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3067.34,"endTime":3070.82,"body":"So that's that's on my bedside"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3067.34,"endTime":3070.82,"body":"table right now, and I highly"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3070.82,"endTime":3073.7,"body":"recommend it. I'm I'm reading"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3070.82,"endTime":3073.7,"body":"through it a second time now."},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3074.12,"endTime":3074.42,"body":"Yes,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3074.42,"endTime":3076.88,"body":"the Forgotten"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3074.42,"endTime":3076.88,"body":"ways is a is a fantastic book. I"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3076.88,"endTime":3081.88,"body":"highly recommend that as well."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3076.88,"endTime":3081.88,"body":"But let's go out and get what"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3081.88,"endTime":3085.36,"body":"actually starts movements,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3081.88,"endTime":3085.36,"body":"partnering with God for kingdom,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3085.36,"endTime":3088.96,"body":"multiplication. Emmanuel, how"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3085.36,"endTime":3088.96,"body":"can people go and get that book?"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3088.96,"endTime":3092.14,"body":"And where else would you like to"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3088.96,"endTime":3092.14,"body":"point people to? I trust"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3092.5,"endTime":3095.56,"body":"that we will find"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3092.5,"endTime":3095.56,"body":"the link the links in what"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3095.56,"endTime":3099.04,"body":"you're sending out. Joshua, but"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3095.56,"endTime":3099.04,"body":"yeah, launch day for what"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3099.04,"endTime":3104.7,"body":"actually starts movement is May"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3099.04,"endTime":3104.7,"body":"29 you find it on amazon.com, or"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3104.7,"endTime":3109.56,"body":"Amazon in wherever you live in"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3104.7,"endTime":3109.56,"body":"your country. I also want to"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3109.56,"endTime":3114.2400000000002,"body":"point you to my blog and"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3109.56,"endTime":3114.2400000000002,"body":"actually a new podcast that I'm"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3114.2400000000002,"endTime":3118.2,"body":"launching at the same time as"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3114.2400000000002,"endTime":3118.2,"body":"the book. 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And I"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3121.98,"endTime":3129.2,"body":"invite you to to subscribe, if"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3129.2,"endTime":3132.68,"body":"you like to message me"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3129.2,"endTime":3132.68,"body":"personally or get in touch, or I"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3132.68,"endTime":3139.46,"body":"can serve you and your ministry."},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3132.68,"endTime":3139.46,"body":"My website is www, catalytic"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3139.46,"endTime":3142.72,"body":"leadership dot info, catalytic"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3139.46,"endTime":3142.72,"body":"leadership. Dot info,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3143.5,"endTime":3145.36,"body":"perfect. Well."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3143.5,"endTime":3145.36,"body":"Emmanuel, thank you for this"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3145.36,"endTime":3148.48,"body":"conversation. Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3145.36,"endTime":3148.48,"body":"walking us through what actually"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3148.48,"endTime":3152.44,"body":"starts movements and who these"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3148.48,"endTime":3152.44,"body":"catalytic leaders are. What"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3152.56,"endTime":3156.46,"body":"characteristics do they have?"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3152.56,"endTime":3156.46,"body":"How they rely on God, they"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3156.46,"endTime":3161.08,"body":"follow the lead of the spirits,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3156.46,"endTime":3161.08,"body":"what it looks like to then make"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3161.08,"endTime":3165.36,"body":"disciples that would then"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3161.08,"endTime":3165.36,"body":"multiply, and how that happens,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3165.36,"endTime":3169.98,"body":"how that goes about. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3165.36,"endTime":3169.98,"body":"for diving into these things. It"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3170.1,"endTime":3173.58,"body":"was a fantastic conversation."},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3170.1,"endTime":3173.58,"body":"I'm sure a lot of people got a"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3173.58,"endTime":3177.72,"body":"lot of out of it. There's a lot"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3173.58,"endTime":3177.72,"body":"of meat in there. So thank you"},{"speaker":"Joshua Johnson","startTime":3177.72,"endTime":3179.1,"body":"for this. It was great, and"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3179.1,"endTime":3181.14,"body":"it's been an"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3179.1,"endTime":3181.14,"body":"absolute pleasure doing this"},{"speaker":"Emanuel Prinz","startTime":3181.14,"endTime":3182.0,"body":"with you. Joshua, you."}]}