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This is the most downloaded episode of 2022. It is no surprise that it is Pat Rice. He has been on a few times since and will be on season 7. Pat is always interesting and has been a friend and colleague for several years.

 In this episode, I speak to Pat Rice, psychotherapist, about a wide variety of subjects. We explore spirituality, sobriety, therapy, science, and many stories from his work in the past 35 years, including a few touching stories of his mentors in this work. We also discuss how his therapeutic approach has evolved due to life experiences. Pat has a wealth of knowledge and is an amazing story teller and is so open about his life. Pat also had a near death experience which brought him to the work he is currently doing.

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