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So for all"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2691.1600000000003,"endTime":2694.447,"body":"my renewable energy"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2694.539,"endTime":2700.2920000000004,"body":"professionals who are listeners"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2694.539,"endTime":2700.2920000000004,"body":"of the show, when you're having"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2700.3840000000005,"endTime":2705.8630000000003,"body":"conversations about the grid,"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2700.3840000000005,"endTime":2705.8630000000003,"body":"and people say, well, wind and"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2705.9550000000004,"endTime":2710.8860000000004,"body":"solar are intermittent, so"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2705.9550000000004,"endTime":2710.8860000000004,"body":"they're not a solution. 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We can"},{"speaker":"Nir Brenmiller","startTime":2780.51,"endTime":2787.26,"body":"I will send you my email and you"},{"speaker":"Nir Brenmiller","startTime":2787.26,"endTime":2792.5400000000004,"body":"can attach it as well. And we"},{"speaker":"Nir Brenmiller","startTime":2787.26,"endTime":2792.5400000000004,"body":"look forward to have discussions"},{"speaker":"Nir Brenmiller","startTime":2792.57,"endTime":2797.0400000000004,"body":"with anyone. We are very busy"},{"speaker":"Nir Brenmiller","startTime":2792.57,"endTime":2797.0400000000004,"body":"but we are always busy for more"},{"speaker":"Nir Brenmiller","startTime":2797.55,"endTime":2802.44,"body":"and and I really appreciate the"},{"speaker":"Nir Brenmiller","startTime":2797.55,"endTime":2802.44,"body":"time and opportunity. 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I'm Tim Montague."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2866.5040000000004,"endTime":2870.8100000000004,"body":"Let's grow solar and storage."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2866.5040000000004,"endTime":2870.8100000000004,"body":"Take care of Brian sorry Nir you."},{"speaker":"Nir Brenmiller","startTime":2870.8100000000004,"endTime":2871.5600000000004,"body":"Thank you. Bye bye."}]}