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You, your job"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":669.29,"endTime":673.73,"body":"would drop if you went inside."},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":669.29,"endTime":673.73,"body":"Yeah, Tim, if you, if you keep"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":673.73,"endTime":676.4599999999999,"body":"scrolling down here, you're"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":673.73,"endTime":676.4599999999999,"body":"gonna have to go through a"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":676.4599999999999,"endTime":680.03,"body":"couple more sections, we show"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":676.4599999999999,"endTime":680.03,"body":"why the testing matters, the"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":680.03,"endTime":683.15,"body":"materials assess to keep going,"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":680.03,"endTime":683.15,"body":"we've got some key key"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":683.15,"endTime":687.1999999999999,"body":"takeaways. 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But"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":1184.18,"endTime":1187.48,"body":"does that really mean a module"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":1184.18,"endTime":1187.48,"body":"is going to only degrade by"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":1187.48,"endTime":1192.82,"body":"point 2% per year? Hard to say"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":1187.48,"endTime":1192.82,"body":"when you put it when you put it"},{"speaker":"Tristan Erion-Lorico","startTime":1192.82,"endTime":1197.68,"body":"outdoors. 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And Tim if"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3455.2400000000002,"endTime":3457.88,"body":"people are looking for"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3455.2400000000002,"endTime":3457.88,"body":"commercial solar consulting,"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3458.09,"endTime":3462.5600000000004,"body":"land development, or commercial"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3458.09,"endTime":3462.5600000000004,"body":"sales training, how should they"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3462.5600000000004,"endTime":3463.34,"body":"get in touch with you?"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3465.8,"endTime":3469.82,"body":"Well, clean power"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3465.8,"endTime":3469.82,"body":"comm is my is the home for all"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3469.82,"endTime":3472.2200000000003,"body":"things. Tim Montague or reach"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3469.82,"endTime":3472.2200000000003,"body":"out to me on LinkedIn. I love"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3472.2200000000003,"endTime":3476.84,"body":"connecting with listeners and"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3472.2200000000003,"endTime":3476.84,"body":"customers on LinkedIn. Tim"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3476.84,"endTime":3481.2200000000003,"body":"Montague, there's my name right"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3476.84,"endTime":3481.2200000000003,"body":"there on my lower third. So with"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3481.2200000000003,"endTime":3485.09,"body":"that, I will say let's grow sold"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3481.2200000000003,"endTime":3485.09,"body":"on storage. I'm Tim Montague. We"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3485.09,"endTime":3486.2000000000003,"body":"will see you next week John"}]}