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You can connect"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3670.34,"endTime":3674.6000000000004,"body":"with me on LinkedIn, Tim"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3674.6000000000004,"endTime":3679.1000000000004,"body":"Montague, that's the best place"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3674.6000000000004,"endTime":3679.1000000000004,"body":"or our contact form on clean"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3679.1000000000004,"endTime":3683.3300000000004,"body":"power hour.com. With that, I"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3679.1000000000004,"endTime":3683.3300000000004,"body":"want to say let's go solar and"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3683.3300000000004,"endTime":3685.3700000000003,"body":"storage. I'm Tim Montague."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3683.3300000000004,"endTime":3685.3700000000003,"body":"Thanks so much, John."}]}