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And I'm not we're not"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3022.94,"endTime":3026.4800000000005,"body":"interested in fluff, give us"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3026.4800000000005,"endTime":3030.1400000000003,"body":"some math, give us some data,"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3026.4800000000005,"endTime":3030.1400000000003,"body":"give us some hardware, give us"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3030.1400000000003,"endTime":3033.53,"body":"some gear that we can build, we"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3030.1400000000003,"endTime":3033.53,"body":"can sell to our customers and"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3033.53,"endTime":3035.69,"body":"show off. 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And Sean White"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3041.731,"endTime":3045.5470000000005,"body":"can be found at solarsean.com"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3045.608,"endTime":3048.44,"body":"Unless there's a better website"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3045.608,"endTime":3048.44,"body":"for you, Sean."},{"speaker":"Sean White","startTime":3049.19,"endTime":3051.71,"body":"That's a good one"},{"speaker":"Sean White","startTime":3049.19,"endTime":3051.71,"body":"solarsean.com or heatspring.com"},{"speaker":"Sean White","startTime":3052.1600000000003,"endTime":3053.42,"body":"You can find my classes there"},{"speaker":"Sean White","startTime":3052.1600000000003,"endTime":3053.42,"body":"too."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3053.6600000000003,"endTime":3058.4,"body":"Excellent. 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We'll be back"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3085.2200000000003,"endTime":3090.92,"body":"next week. Thursdays at noon"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3085.2200000000003,"endTime":3090.92,"body":"eastern most Thursdays of the"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3090.92,"endTime":3094.5200000000004,"body":"year. So thank you all for being"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3090.92,"endTime":3094.5200000000004,"body":"here. We do this for you. I'm"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3094.5200000000004,"endTime":3097.67,"body":"Tim Montague. Let's grow solar"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3094.5200000000004,"endTime":3097.67,"body":"and storage. Take care John and"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3097.67,"endTime":3098.09,"body":"John."},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3098.84,"endTime":3099.6800000000003,"body":"Let's grow"}]}