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But commercial solar"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3532.3100000000004,"endTime":3538.55,"body":"guy.com is the best pay place to"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3532.3100000000004,"endTime":3538.55,"body":"find us and, and Tim, what types"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3538.55,"endTime":3541.55,"body":"of things should people reach"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3538.55,"endTime":3541.55,"body":"out to you for if they wanted to"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3541.55,"endTime":3544.8500000000004,"body":"do business in the solar"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3541.55,"endTime":3544.8500000000004,"body":"industry? What do you do besides"},{"speaker":"John Weaver","startTime":3545.03,"endTime":3546.4100000000003,"body":"these awesome podcasts?"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3546.4390000000003,"endTime":3547.849,"body":"I am a"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3546.4390000000003,"endTime":3547.849,"body":"professional coach and"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3547.849,"endTime":3551.929,"body":"consultant to solar companies."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3547.849,"endTime":3551.929,"body":"This includes OEMs these are"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3551.929,"endTime":3555.5290000000005,"body":"manufacturers of solar equipment"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3551.929,"endTime":3555.5290000000005,"body":"includes installers. It includes"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3555.5290000000005,"endTime":3558.469,"body":"individuals and companies. I do"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3555.5290000000005,"endTime":3558.469,"body":"coaching and consulting for"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3558.469,"endTime":3561.9790000000003,"body":"solar and clean tech companies."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3558.469,"endTime":3561.9790000000003,"body":"Thank you for asking. Reach out"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3561.9790000000003,"endTime":3566.2690000000002,"body":"to me at Tim at clean power"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3561.9790000000003,"endTime":3566.2690000000002,"body":"hour.com by email or find me on"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3566.2690000000002,"endTime":3570.2590000000005,"body":"LinkedIn, I am not hard to find."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3566.2690000000002,"endTime":3570.2590000000005,"body":"Unlike John Weaver, I am easy to"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3570.2590000000005,"endTime":3574.0690000000004,"body":"find. But I want to thank you my"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3570.2590000000005,"endTime":3574.0690000000004,"body":"co host John Weaver, commercial"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3574.0690000000004,"endTime":3576.9790000000003,"body":"solar guy for coming on the show"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3574.0690000000004,"endTime":3576.9790000000003,"body":"and thanks to all our listeners,"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3576.9790000000003,"endTime":3580.5490000000004,"body":"Rick and Joe and Chris lutman."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3576.9790000000003,"endTime":3580.5490000000004,"body":"Good to see you hope to see some"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3580.5490000000004,"endTime":3584.6290000000004,"body":"of you in Vegas in just a couple"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3580.5490000000004,"endTime":3584.6290000000004,"body":"of weeks. I'm Tim Montague."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":3584.6290000000004,"endTime":3585.7690000000002,"body":"Let's grow solar John"}]}