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Please give"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":1600.81,"endTime":1605.1000000000001,"body":"us a rating and a review on our."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":1600.81,"endTime":1605.1000000000001,"body":"Or Spotify and reach out to me"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":1605.13,"endTime":1607.89,"body":"on LinkedIn. I love hearing from"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":1605.13,"endTime":1607.89,"body":"my listeners. I want to thank"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":1607.89,"endTime":1610.23,"body":"Chuck Schwartz with Sun'Agri for"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":1607.89,"endTime":1610.23,"body":"being here today."},{"speaker":"Chuck Schwartz","startTime":1610.26,"endTime":1612.33,"body":"Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Chuck Schwartz","startTime":1610.26,"endTime":1612.33,"body":"much. Tim, great seeing you."},{"speaker":"Chuck Schwartz","startTime":1612.81,"endTime":1614.43,"body":"Let's grow solar. You."}]}