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Chris,"},{"speaker":"Chris Needham","startTime":2242.7500000000005,"endTime":2246.4300000000003,"body":"oh boy, no, I"},{"speaker":"Chris Needham","startTime":2242.7500000000005,"endTime":2246.4300000000003,"body":"just appreciate the opportunity"},{"speaker":"Chris Needham","startTime":2246.4300000000003,"endTime":2249.19,"body":"to come on here and talk"},{"speaker":"Chris Needham","startTime":2246.4300000000003,"endTime":2249.19,"body":"resiliency. It's something we're"},{"speaker":"Chris Needham","startTime":2249.61,"endTime":2250.7500000000005,"body":"working on getting better at."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2252.55,"endTime":2255.3700000000003,"body":"Well, thank you."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2252.55,"endTime":2255.3700000000003,"body":"Please, if you're listening to"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2255.3700000000003,"endTime":2258.9700000000003,"body":"this, go to clean power"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2255.3700000000003,"endTime":2258.9700000000003,"body":"hour.com, and share that URL"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2258.9700000000003,"endTime":2262.03,"body":"with a friend. Telling others"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2258.9700000000003,"endTime":2262.03,"body":"about the show is one of the"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2262.03,"endTime":2265.05,"body":"best things you can do. Give us"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2262.03,"endTime":2265.05,"body":"a rating and review on Apple or"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2265.05,"endTime":2268.4100000000003,"body":"Spotify, reach out to me on"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2265.05,"endTime":2268.4100000000003,"body":"LinkedIn. How can our listeners"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2268.4100000000003,"endTime":2270.69,"body":"find you? Frank and Chris? You"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2270.69,"endTime":2273.8700000000003,"body":"guys can find"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2270.69,"endTime":2273.8700000000003,"body":"us on LinkedIn. We also have a"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2273.8700000000003,"endTime":2279.51,"body":"website at azimuth ventures.com"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2273.8700000000003,"endTime":2279.51,"body":"you can see our publications on"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2279.51,"endTime":2283.61,"body":"that website, solar under storm"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2279.51,"endTime":2283.61,"body":"one and two. We are also in the"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2283.61,"endTime":2287.03,"body":"middle of writing solar under"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2283.61,"endTime":2287.03,"body":"storm three, with all of the"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2287.03,"endTime":2292.19,"body":"findings from Hurricane barrel,"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2287.03,"endTime":2292.19,"body":"in conjunction with Rmi, who"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2292.19,"endTime":2294.71,"body":"used to be known as the Rocky"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2292.19,"endTime":2294.71,"body":"Mountain Institute. So we're"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2294.71,"endTime":2297.53,"body":"looking forward to the release"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2294.71,"endTime":2297.53,"body":"of that, that new white paper."},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2297.53,"endTime":2297.71,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2298.55,"endTime":2299.57,"body":"when is that"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2298.55,"endTime":2299.57,"body":"coming up?"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2300.4700000000003,"endTime":2302.2700000000004,"body":"We just"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2300.4700000000003,"endTime":2302.2700000000004,"body":"started writing it. Barrel just"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2302.2700000000004,"endTime":2305.65,"body":"came through, beginning of"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2302.2700000000004,"endTime":2305.65,"body":"August, Chris and I lived on a"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2305.65,"endTime":2308.9500000000003,"body":"tri Moran for four days visiting"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2305.65,"endTime":2308.9500000000003,"body":"all those islands because"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2309.67,"endTime":2313.8700000000003,"body":"transportation wasn't yet"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2309.67,"endTime":2313.8700000000003,"body":"available. We're hoping to have"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2314.2900000000004,"endTime":2318.2500000000005,"body":"drafts completed by the end of"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2314.2900000000004,"endTime":2318.2500000000005,"body":"the year and and to be able to"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2318.2500000000005,"endTime":2321.3700000000003,"body":"share more details, probably"},{"speaker":"Frank Oudheusden","startTime":2318.2500000000005,"endTime":2321.3700000000003,"body":"around that time frame."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2322.21,"endTime":2324.9300000000003,"body":"Got it all right."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2322.21,"endTime":2324.9300000000003,"body":"Well, I'm Tim Montague, let's"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2324.9300000000003,"endTime":2327.69,"body":"grow solar and storage. Take"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2324.9300000000003,"endTime":2327.69,"body":"care. Everybody. Absolutely."}]}