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So thanks for the time"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2000.17,"endTime":2005.65,"body":"on your show, Tim. I listen a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2005.65,"endTime":2009.8500000000001,"body":"lot to what you have, who you're"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2005.65,"endTime":2009.8500000000001,"body":"interviewing, and it's a great"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2009.8500000000001,"endTime":2012.01,"body":"show. So I appreciate having me"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2009.8500000000001,"endTime":2012.01,"body":"on"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2012.79,"endTime":2015.55,"body":"well. Thank you. I"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2012.79,"endTime":2015.55,"body":"really appreciate what what ser"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2015.79,"endTime":2019.21,"body":"does, and I look forward to"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2015.79,"endTime":2019.21,"body":"seeing you guys at the"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2019.21,"endTime":2024.09,"body":"conference in at the end of"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2019.21,"endTime":2024.09,"body":"September, and hopefully in at"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2024.09,"endTime":2027.99,"body":"some of the other shows that are"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2024.09,"endTime":2027.99,"body":"going on coming up here, we have"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2027.99,"endTime":2031.71,"body":"Midwest solar Expo. We've got re"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2027.99,"endTime":2031.71,"body":"plus Midwest, and we got the"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2031.71,"endTime":2035.73,"body":"solar farm Summit. You can find"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2031.71,"endTime":2035.73,"body":"that information about all of"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2035.73,"endTime":2039.69,"body":"those events at clean power"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2035.73,"endTime":2039.69,"body":"hour.com go to the events tab."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2040.23,"endTime":2043.73,"body":"And with that, I'll say thank"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2040.23,"endTime":2043.73,"body":"you so much to Ethan Loomis, of"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2043.73,"endTime":2047.57,"body":"Strategic Economic Research for"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2043.73,"endTime":2047.57,"body":"coming on the show today. How"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2047.57,"endTime":2049.13,"body":"can our listeners find you?"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2047.57,"endTime":2049.13,"body":"Ethan,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2049.97,"endTime":2052.0099999999998,"body":"yeah, I'm pretty"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2049.97,"endTime":2052.0099999999998,"body":"active on LinkedIn, so you can"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2052.0099999999998,"endTime":2055.5499999999997,"body":"just search for my name. Ethan"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2052.0099999999998,"endTime":2055.5499999999997,"body":"Loomis, l, o, M, i, s, would"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2055.5499999999997,"endTime":2059.69,"body":"love to connect there and try"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2055.5499999999997,"endTime":2059.69,"body":"and try and update what's going"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2059.69,"endTime":2062.81,"body":"on with me and the company. So"},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2059.69,"endTime":2062.81,"body":"happy to connect on LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Ethan Loomis","startTime":2063.71,"endTime":2064.15,"body":"Great"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2064.39,"endTime":2066.79,"body":"with that, I will"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2064.39,"endTime":2066.79,"body":"say, let's grow solar and"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2066.79,"endTime":2067.99,"body":"storage. Thanks so much. You."}]}