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Well,"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2151.829,"endTime":2154.469,"body":"in our last minute together, is"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2154.469,"endTime":2157.5290000000005,"body":"there anything else you guys"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2154.469,"endTime":2157.5290000000005,"body":"wanted to let our listeners know"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2157.5290000000005,"endTime":2158.6690000000003,"body":"before we wrap this up,"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2159.9300000000003,"endTime":2165.05,"body":"join us on the"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2159.9300000000003,"endTime":2165.05,"body":"15th of July, 2025, at 9am PST,"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2165.05,"endTime":2168.2900000000004,"body":"for more, I think that's going"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2165.05,"endTime":2168.2900000000004,"body":"to be awesome. And if you have"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2168.2900000000004,"endTime":2171.65,"body":"the chance to come to Chicago to"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2168.2900000000004,"endTime":2171.65,"body":"the solar farm Summit, highly"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2171.65,"endTime":2174.9500000000003,"body":"recommend that. I think that's"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2171.65,"endTime":2174.9500000000003,"body":"the best conference to learn"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2174.9500000000003,"endTime":2177.65,"body":"about agrivoltaguex in the"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2174.9500000000003,"endTime":2177.65,"body":"United States. And then finally,"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2177.8300000000004,"endTime":2181.4300000000003,"body":"on the fifth of November, we"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2177.8300000000004,"endTime":2181.4300000000003,"body":"have UC Davis agrivoltague's"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2181.4300000000003,"endTime":2184.69,"body":"conference with some friends"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2181.4300000000003,"endTime":2184.69,"body":"from Germany who are going to"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2184.69,"endTime":2189.55,"body":"talk about what the Europeans"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2184.69,"endTime":2189.55,"body":"see and how they're tackling"},{"speaker":"Helge Biernath","startTime":2189.61,"endTime":2192.55,"body":"that agrivoltaics revolution."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2193.6290000000004,"endTime":2196.5470000000005,"body":"Yeah, check out"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2193.6290000000004,"endTime":2196.5470000000005,"body":"clean cleanpowerhour.com go to"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2196.61,"endTime":2200.4800000000005,"body":"the events tab. You'll see a"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2196.61,"endTime":2200.4800000000005,"body":"thumbnail right there at the top"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2200.543,"endTime":2204.476,"body":"with our July 15 event. And then"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2200.543,"endTime":2204.476,"body":"go to soulfarmsummit.com. For"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2204.5400000000004,"endTime":2208.4100000000003,"body":"that event, which is August 4 to"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2204.5400000000004,"endTime":2208.4100000000003,"body":"seven in Chicago. Ian, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2208.4100000000003,"endTime":2210.3300000000004,"body":"thanks"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2208.4100000000003,"endTime":2210.3300000000004,"body":"for having me on here. If anyone"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2210.3300000000004,"endTime":2214.2300000000005,"body":"has any questions on vertical,"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2210.3300000000004,"endTime":2214.2300000000005,"body":"solar, agrivoltaics In general,"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2214.4700000000003,"endTime":2217.05,"body":"feel free to reach out to"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2214.4700000000003,"endTime":2217.05,"body":"myself, or, hell again, we're"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2217.2900000000004,"endTime":2221.3100000000004,"body":"we'd be happy to learn more"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2217.2900000000004,"endTime":2221.3100000000004,"body":"about your project or opinion or"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2221.61,"endTime":2225.05,"body":"research ambitions to further"},{"speaker":"Ian Skor (Sandbox Solar)","startTime":2221.61,"endTime":2225.05,"body":"voltaics as a whole."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2226.07,"endTime":2227.9900000000002,"body":"All right, with"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2226.07,"endTime":2227.9900000000002,"body":"that, I'll say, let's grow solar"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2227.9900000000002,"endTime":2232.01,"body":"and storage and agrivoltaics."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2227.9900000000002,"endTime":2232.01,"body":"I'm Tim Montague. Have a"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2232.01,"endTime":2235.19,"body":"wonderful day, gentlemen. Thank"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2232.01,"endTime":2235.19,"body":"you. You."}]}