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We have a very robust"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2518.4300000000003,"endTime":2522.3900000000003,"body":"technical team that could help"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2522.3900000000003,"endTime":2525.53,"body":"you out with any questions you"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2522.3900000000003,"endTime":2525.53,"body":"may have about fire risks, you"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2525.53,"endTime":2529.61,"body":"could reach out to me directly"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2525.53,"endTime":2529.61,"body":"via LinkedIn. So I welcome that,"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2529.61,"endTime":2533.3900000000003,"body":"and we're always here, really"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2529.61,"endTime":2533.3900000000003,"body":"just to even share information."},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2533.69,"endTime":2536.9300000000003,"body":"If you just have questions"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2533.69,"endTime":2536.9300000000003,"body":"concerning different projects or"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2537.05,"endTime":2540.7700000000004,"body":"technologies and fire risk, fire"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2537.05,"endTime":2540.7700000000004,"body":"safety, fire suppression"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2540.7700000000004,"endTime":2543.07,"body":"techniques, please feel free to"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2540.7700000000004,"endTime":2543.07,"body":"reach out. We're always"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2543.07,"endTime":2543.55,"body":"available."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2544.51,"endTime":2546.55,"body":"Yeah, there's a"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2544.51,"endTime":2546.55,"body":"wealth of information on your"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2546.55,"endTime":2550.3300000000004,"body":"website. So check out fire"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2546.55,"endTime":2550.3300000000004,"body":"traces website. We'll put a link"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2550.3300000000004,"endTime":2554.05,"body":"in the show notes to that. Check"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2550.3300000000004,"endTime":2554.05,"body":"out all of our content at clean"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2554.05,"endTime":2557.53,"body":"power hour.com. Please give us a"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2554.05,"endTime":2557.53,"body":"rating and a review on Apple or"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2557.53,"endTime":2562.3900000000003,"body":"Spotify. Follow us on YouTube"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2557.53,"endTime":2562.3900000000003,"body":"and reach out to me on LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2562.3900000000003,"endTime":2565.11,"body":"I love hearing from my"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2562.3900000000003,"endTime":2565.11,"body":"listeners. With that, I'll say"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2565.4700000000003,"endTime":2569.3100000000004,"body":"thank you so much. Joe Debellis,"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2565.4700000000003,"endTime":2569.3100000000004,"body":"Global Head of clean energy for"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2569.3100000000004,"endTime":2573.4500000000003,"body":"fire trace. I'm Tim Montague,"},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2569.3100000000004,"endTime":2573.4500000000003,"body":"let's grow solar and storage."},{"speaker":"Tim Montague","startTime":2573.51,"endTime":2574.17,"body":"Thanks, Joe."},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2574.4700000000003,"endTime":2577.8900000000003,"body":"Thank you, Tim. I"},{"speaker":"Joe DeBellis","startTime":2574.4700000000003,"endTime":2577.8900000000003,"body":"appreciate it. You."}]}