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In the Peace & Prosperity Podcast, Jason Phillips, licensed therapist and life coach, shares personal experiences that force you to think deeply about your values, beliefs, and behaviors to ensure you achieve peace, happiness, and success in your life.
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Finding Love After Divorce and Over 40: One Couple's 25-Year Journey - Episode #91
The Peace & Prosperity Podcast is a bi-weekly conversation with Jason Phillips, LCSW, licensed therapist and confidence expert in Raleigh, NC, discussing all things related to self-love and self-confidence, and how we can improve ourselves personally and professionally.
Rediscovering love after heartbreak can feel impossible, but Jason's Aunt Pam and Uncle Nate’s 25-year relationship proves otherwise. After painful divorces, they built their bond slowly on “the three C’s”: communication, commitment, and compromise—weathering health challenges, insecurities, and disagreements with grace. Their story shows how the right partner can help heal old wounds and create a deeper, more intentional love. As they say, “Life is about living, loving, and laughing.”
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I'm a mother, you know, and I have a lot of respect for my kids and I don't I get. He can tell you that's one thing I get very upset about. I don't like that, and he's a lot of the people that know me, those you know. He'll say I go out my way, but we both do that.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Peace and Prosperity Podcast, where we talk mental wellness, confidence and real-life tools to help high achievers thrive. I'm your host, jason Phillips, licensed therapist, speaker coach, and I'm glad you're here. Let's get into the episode. So today you all, I'm interviewing my Aunt Pam and Uncle Nate, two of my most favorite people in the world. So you all have the pleasure of being introduced to family. Uncle Nate, do you want to introduce yourself?
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm Nate Jackson and I'm with my wife, Pamela Jackson, and we have been together for 25 years. We are very fortunate to be together. Initially when we met, we both were going through a situation where we had to address, and it worked out very well. I met her through her mother. Okay, I saw her leaving her mother's home and I asked her mother who was that beautiful lady that left your?
Speaker 1:house.
Speaker 3:Oh, she said, oh, that's my daughter, and she went home and I didn't get an opportunity to meet her for probably a couple weeks or something of that nature, and I was leaving my unit and when she came up and then a mother introduced to us and well, now it's been about 25 years we've been together.
Speaker 2:Wow, van, do you want to introduce yourself before we get into the story?
Speaker 1:My name is Pam Jackson and, yes, I had the pleasure of meeting Nate back on February 15th actually in 1999. And he's correct about my mom. She actually introduced us together and to each other I'll say and here it is now what, 25 years later? I'm going to jump fast because he's already kind of explained everything to you, but it's been definitely a beautiful, beautiful 25 years. I'm not saying it's all been, has been perfect, but we definitely have been through a lot these years and growing old with him is even even better, yeah better, yeah Better. And you know, I just feel very blessed.
Speaker 2:So I really appreciate you all being open, kind of spur of the moment, being able to come on the podcast and share your story. So the reason why I asked you all to share your story is because I meet so many people. You know me being close to 40. A lot of the people I work with are between 30 and 50. Some have been married, some have been divorced, and finding love is just a challenge for them and some, frankly, either don't want it or don't think they can find love again. And knowing that you all were both previously divorced, was that your mindset when you found each other, or what was your thought process about what your future would look like?
Speaker 1:Once again. But for some reason, actually the day that I met Nate even though I was going through my situation of, you know, of getting ready to go through a divorce, I don't know, for some reason I felt like he was the one, and I don't even know why. I couldn't tell you. It was just something about him, the way he, I guess, presented himself to me. When he first walked up to me, he said Hi, I finally get to meet you. My name is Nate Jackson. And when he said that, I told him what my name was.
Speaker 1:But I was so I still had a lot of hurt in me and but he was so pleasant to me and I just liked everything about him. I just said, wow, he is a nice guy. But I told my mom, I said but I'm not ready to date anyone, or you know, but I really didn't plan this, it wasn't, it wasn't like it was planned, it happened, it happened. And I think sometimes when you're, when you say things which you'll never do again, sometimes never say never, because I really thought that I was not going to ever be in a relationship, and at least at that time I'll say you said you wanted to love yourself first.
Speaker 2:That was your mindset. So a lot of people think about do I work on myself first before I get into a relationship? What did you do?
Speaker 1:Actually, that's exactly what I wanted to do work on myself, because I kind of blame myself for a lot of things.
Speaker 1:I thought it was my fault because my marriage ended and during that time and I was trying to find fault, find you know, find out what could I have done differently to not cause him to do the things that he had done? And then I realized you know what it came to me one day that I didn't do anything wrong. I think, as a mother and a wife, I think I did everything I was supposed to do. At least, I always prayed and asked God let me be the kind of wife that you want me to be and the kind of mother you want me to be Not what I want to be, but what I should be, you know. So I did try to. I wanted to work on myself, especially with the trust, because it was hard for me to go into a relationship Think about getting into a relationship, trusting again, and trust is definitely uh, that's big, we could spend a lot of time on on that in itself okay, what about for you?
Speaker 2:were you thinking about a relationship, or what was your mindset at that time?
Speaker 3:uh, at the time, I would say yes, I was. However, I was also coming out of a relationship and it was important to me Not that I hadn't made a mistake in my previous marriage, I had. However, I committed myself that this won't happen again and me doing anything that God wouldn't want me to do and it was really a pleasure in meeting her because we almost gelled right away and we went to—we'd done so many things together and it was actually different between us. We would try apply together. We would go to different places. We went to many places.
Speaker 3:Matter of fact, and I think she's going to tell you, we were dated for seven years before we married, so we could get to know each other oh thanks and see how much we truly loved each other, and it worked out good. One of the things I like is she liked that she would travel with me and she loved to travel with me and I loved for her to travel with me, so it really worked out well. As she said, we've been together over 25 years now a little over 25 years it's been good.
Speaker 2:So one thing you all both mentioned is your faith in God. How important has God been in your personal lives and then in your relationship.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, I put it this way if it wasn't for God, I wouldn't be here, you know, especially even for the prayers that I had endured from others, because there was a lot of people praying for me. I really, truly say that I never doubt God for one minute. There was a many times that I chose to give up, but I realized that, you know what? God didn't give up on me and I was not going to give up on him and lose my faith. And, as they say in the Bible, all you need is the faith of the size of a mustard seed. And he brought me through a lot. Trust me, I won't get into it, but it was deep, very, very deep.
Speaker 2:Uncle Nate, what about for you?
Speaker 3:It was also deep for me. As you know, I'm a retired police officer and so there's many things that I have experienced. I definitely had made some mistakes, but I promise God I wouldn't make a mistake in this relationship. Like I said, we were together for seven years before we married and I have not made any mistakes as far as going out doing anything, and it's been only 25 years now, matter of fact, that we've been together and we have difficulties, sometimes something that she doesn't agree in and I don't agree in, but we work together to iron the problem out so we can get back to the caliber that we like, the relationship that we like and to each other. But the most important thing is that how we blend together, how we do things together, how we she loved traveling with me.
Speaker 2:Like that travel how many cruises have you on, because I know you all used to cruise quite a bit.
Speaker 1:We've been about five cruises.
Speaker 3:I think we've been on, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1:But you know what, jason, the most important thing I feel is communication. Because I was telling Nate, you know, a lot of times when you're in relationships and I'm speaking from my past it's like when there's no communication and sometimes you try to figure out what that person is thinking about or what they're thinking. A lot of times men think about they make me think about bills a lot and you'd be thinking, oh, why aren't they thinking about me? You know, a lot of times we expect a whole lot from men, but I realized that sometimes it's okay to sit down and talk about what you're thinking about or what you know, what you want to do. You know, share things. And I told Nick when we first got together. He asked me, he said what can we do to make this relationship work? I said the most important thing is communication.
Speaker 2:My mentor talks about that. He said for a relationship to work you have to have the three C's communication, commitment and compromise.
Speaker 1:Wow, I like that. Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 2:So you all talked about well we, you kind of alluded to communication. What's the communication like with you all now, and has it gotten better? Do you like? What's it like?
Speaker 1:I think it has gotten better, because of course we're getting older now. So you think, but not that we don't have differences now Right, but we do. You know like we may get mad at each other, might not say nothing for a few hours to each other, but I'm the one that usually come and say, OK, hey, all right, you can walk around the house and don't talk to me today or something. And he's because he's very stubborn, and I am to a certain extent too, but he likes to, he he'll get so mad. I'm like okay, let's talk about it. So we got to talk. Sometimes we might yell at each other and then we realize that, hey, you know, we know we love each other. But you know, and sometimes love hurts. I don't care how heavy you are, it hurts because you care.
Speaker 2:So how do you say something I guess I'll bring it up how do you say something that you know may hurt Aunt Pam, but either she needs to hear it or you feel like you have to. You need to voice it. What's that process like?
Speaker 3:How do I say something to her? She needs to know I will communicate with her that this occurred and I didn't like it, and I think there's a way that you can do things. I guess I said it, Jason. As you know, I was a police officer, retired detective, and I've done a lot of things as being a detective and being a police officer and this sort of comes to me sometimes about certain things that I've observed, I've seen, I've witnessed and even some things I made a mistake in. So I have to more or less look at it and say I don't want this in my marriage, this to happen again. And, as I said, we've been together over 25 years and, as I said, we've been together over 25 years, so you know it's definitely working. Do we get angry with each other that we don't talk for a few hours?
Speaker 2:Yes, but you said a few hours, so not a few days, or oh no.
Speaker 3:No, no, we don't. I couldn't live like that no, we don't, no, no no, you know a few days no we don't separate from each other. No, no, no, no, no. Well, that's something you are. We're in two bedrooms.
Speaker 1:I can't even get mad and go in that room. We're sleeping in the same room, you know. I just, I just I don't know, I just believe in there is a problem, we can work it out and there's nothing too big that we can't talk about. You know, I mean I'm not going to sit in this house and you don't talk to me. He knows I would tell him hey, okay, so you're not going to talk to me, you know, and then he'll cut the television down. Finally we'll start talking. But you know, and some of the things be simple, don't they To me? I think they're simple.
Speaker 2:You don't want me to elaborate on what he get mad at me about well, I do, because, because the research says that couples argue about 70 or 70 of the arguments around the same thing. Would you all say that that's accurate, is it?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think so. Yeah, now I was just. I laugh at it because I look at it like, ok, you really think that good of me? I don't even think that good of myself. He'll, he'll. He'll always say that he saw me laughing with someone. I'm like laughing with him.
Speaker 1:It's very simple, ok, and he'll like guys that kid, like guys that kid. I look at them as my sons. You know, the same way with him, with girls, little girl, young girls that knew Officer Jackson or whatever. When he talks, I'm always I'm happy when he can talk with them and if they have a question about something, I don't take it like, oh, they like you or something. Well, he'll take it to the point. Like the guy liked me and he saw me flirting with him. I don't even flirt, I don't even know how to flirt, and I'm like it's very simple, crazy stuff. And I tell him I say Nate, I love you. I'm not worried about those others out there, I don't care what those people think. You know I'm with you. Am I right or wrong? You don't want me to talk about that, right?
Speaker 3:Oh, no, you go ahead, Titch it is.
Speaker 1:And I always say don't feel that way, because to me that's insulting. To me. I wouldn't want nobody to think that way of me, because I'm a mother, you know, and I have a lot of respect for my kids and I don't I get. He can tell you. That's one thing I get very upset about. I don't like that and he's a lot of the people that know me, those you know, he'll say I go out my way, but we both do that because we both love people. We're both people, we're both. We're so much alike.
Speaker 2:So how do y'all resolve it? Talk about it.
Speaker 1:Just talk about it and I tell him. You know, I tell him, I say you promised me you're not going to do that anymore and he'll promise me, but then you're going to do it again anyway. He promised me Well, but he, I tell him, you know, do you see me accusing? I say we're past that stage now. You know we're too old for that. You know I'm too old for it. I know I can just handle you and you're talking about trying to get me to talk to somebody. I'm talking to somebody else. I'm like no, it's not like that, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I've never been that way. Anybody that knows me, even even guys that I used to shoot marbles with I they watched me grew up together when they said they always saw Nate, nate, you got a great wife. You know, none of my friends I never had no dealings with in that way. Even when my dad died, they all came to the, to the funeral home, to, you know to, to show their pay, their respect. And I was telling Nate and they would say talk about a girl can shoot some marbles. I mean, I shoot marbles, shoot slingshots, because I was very tomboyish growing up.
Speaker 1:You know my audience probably doesn't know too much about shooting marbles. Oh well, if you grew up like that in dirt, you know you. Just you get down on your knees, you draw a circle. You know you smooth the dirt out, draw a circle, put your marbles in and you, I used to shoot for hummies. I don't know if they know what that is, but they're big, big, beautiful marbles and I used to collect them in a big box and I would go around. The guys used to come to the house, miss Cat and Pam come out and shoot marbles with me and I would go out and shoot marbles.
Speaker 2:So I guess what I'm hearing then too is you are still very much in love with each other. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, oh, yes, no doubt about it. I can't even. I'll put it to you like this here. I still have the same feelings that I had and I still have the same feelings that I had and I can share this with you when we first started dating. I was living with my aunt and I think you remember where your Uncle Nate lived. I couldn't wait to get off, to get my bags, pack my bags, to go to his place and it was like I remember saying Lord, if I'm wrong, I don't want to be right.
Speaker 1:I was just that happy I hadn't even gotten a divorce yet, but it was in the making but I was just so happy about the relationship that I was in and it was like when we would see each other, we would smile Like we had that. You remember that look, oh, yeah, you still give me that look, don't you? Yeah, but it was so it. You get that feeling. It's a feeling that I can't explain that it was like wow, and I, and and I'm gonna share this with you and I don't know if you might want to cut part of this out there's a difference between making love and the other thing, you know, like a quickie or whatever, and this is what really made me love him, because he knew how to love me, and that's so important too. Even in the years of my other marriage, I don't remember the love like that. I really don't.
Speaker 2:So Uncle Nate, and we didn't say but Uncle Nate, you're older than our Pam too.
Speaker 3:Yes, I am.
Speaker 2:So who keeps up with who? I'm trying?
Speaker 1:to keep up with him. Okay, you know what my aunt used to say when I would come home and she would see me. She'd say girl, you're going to kill that man. That's what she would say to me, right? And I would look at her and say, wait a minute. She was in her late 70s, almost 80, right? And she said is it ending?
Speaker 2:No, it's getting good.
Speaker 1:And she would say you're going to kill that man. Why do you go over there every week? I say because he wants me over there. I don't want to be over there. So I said but why are you talking like that? She said I don't know. I guess she was looking at his age and my age. Well, I told Nate one night. I said, boy, they just don't know You're going to be the one to kill me.
Speaker 1:And we used to laugh about that, didn't we? We still laugh about it. It's still fun. You know, to me it's like I didn't know what it was like growing old with someone that you know you could really still have those feelings, for I mean, you still love each other. But it's beyond deep and it's even behind just the making love, beyond just the making love. It's it's just a feeling like, oh, I don't even know how to even express it. Can you express what that feeling is that you feel in your heart? It doesn't long as you're just with that person, just being next to them to me is a great feeling. Go ahead, uncle Nate.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I don't know how much I can add to what she's saying, but you know it was really good. I like the idea that we used to travel together.
Speaker 2:You got that traveling.
Speaker 1:We used to have so much fun. We did have a lot of fun traveling.
Speaker 3:We had a lot of fun traveling and I love the idea of that. When she was working and I was working, and then, when she was off, I was off and we was together. That was. I mean it just.
Speaker 1:We're still together now.
Speaker 3:Yes, it was just a tremendous feeling because we both had gone through something and we were over it and now we had each other. Can I say, am I jealous about certain things? Of course I am, and I guess this is because I do love her. Because, yeah, I do love her, probably because of my old job as being a law enforcement officer, being a pimp, while I was in the law enforcement office.
Speaker 1:He was a dad, daddy, cool daddy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so there are so many things that I observe that you know. Maybe sometimes it comes to me when she said I look at her, say something about someone else. Am I a jealous person? Yes, has she been a jealous person?
Speaker 1:Yes, Because there was a lot of women out there that was disrespectful when we first got together. So let me yeah.
Speaker 2:So you all, both in past relationships, have either been cheated on or cheated on your partner, correct he?
Speaker 1:cheated, not me. My partner cheated on me. And that infidelity is what ended mine.
Speaker 2:So I want to ask Uncle Nate how did you have and Alper, you can elaborate too, but how did you have the confidence to love and trust in love again?
Speaker 3:Well, you know, I think I made a promise to God that I wouldn't do the things that I used to do, and in my journal I even wrote some of the crazy things that I did growing up, and all Maybe because I was in the country and worked with a guy I shouldn't say worked with a guy, but knew a lot of guys that did stupid things and I don't know how I graduated close to that same situation. But when I met Pam, everything just changed. There was no need for that. I just wanted to be with her and she be with me, and we enjoy each other, which we have now for over 25 years Over 25 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, close to a year.
Speaker 3:It has been 25 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been 25 years.
Speaker 3:And I hope it continues until the end of time.
Speaker 2:Let me ask, because people who are watching can see people who are listening, can't? You all are dressed all white. I mean you all always have had a sense of style and even dressing in similar colors or fashion. Who started that?
Speaker 3:Can I answer?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can answer that Okay, Pam did. I didn't force you to do it. How about listening? Oh, force you to do it. How about this? Oh, I thought you started it.
Speaker 3:No, you know she can dress. Everybody that has seen Pam and know Pam know the way she dress and she's a fabulous dresser and always been and she put me into that fashion Now, not that I dress terribly when she met me, but she added on to it and, as you probably saw, when we went to lunch today, this white couple walked up and said hey, you guys really look good together. Look how you're dressed.
Speaker 1:I thought they were talking to all four of us.
Speaker 2:They were talking to y'all.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just getting what you're saying, baby, because, like I say, after 25 years I still like to dress, we like to dress together and she can coordinate things so smoothly.
Speaker 1:And you want to know something.
Speaker 1:When we shop shop, it's not like we go out shopping for clothes like these things be old but we just have it in our closet and when I get ready he'll say what you, what you, what are you wearing? And I'll tell him what I'm wearing. And he, he's good too, and I always loved the way nate dressed when I met him. It wasn't me, I think. He used to always say what are you wearing out tonight? He wanted to be similar with me because he didn't want to look. He said he didn't want to be off with the colors and stuff, but you know, I never really looked at it. He said listen, I think your nose will hold hands too, right? He's? Oh, and that's. That was another thing that won my heart. It was the holding hands, because it made me feel like, you know, hey, he really cared, someone really cared about me and not ashamed to be with me. You know that's. I don't know why I felt that way, because I was always, would you say, insecure. I would say insecure in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2:So how does Uncle Nate help with the insecurity?
Speaker 1:You know, he set me for the way I was and I just felt like I always wanted to be just loved and the same way. Even when I was in school, girls hated me and I didn't. I didn't never know why and it used to hurt me because they used to make fun of me when I was little, because of my complexion and I had that insecure about me. A lot of people say, oh, a lot of people that start to say that they, I wish I was like them. They don't know. You know what I'm saying. I'm okay. I'm okay, but it does touch me sometimes because I always want to be accepted and loved and I always think they envy me for no reason and because I care so much about people For no reason, and because I cared so much about people, I always never was treated unfair. I felt.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to jump in. They would make fun about oh, I was the like when slavery or something like I was the and you know what I look at it and I'm going too far now Maybe you might want to cut it. People always say about enslavery that the light-skinned person stayed on the inside, but they don't realize the light-skinned person went through even worse because their moms were raped. I say my mom, this didn't happen. But those are the things that I looked at too. I'm like you know it worked both ways. It's that you and they can tell you.
Speaker 1:I don't think good of myself. I really don't. I've always had I don't want to say I hate to use the word low self-esteem, but I I didn't never think I was ever good enough and he always made me feel special, felt special, and I think that meant a lot, the way he treated me and the way he treats me now. Even if I have a down day or something, he's right there to lift me up and we both do that for each other. So I'm sorry, I think I went off the pattern. I think I went off. It really does touch my heart.
Speaker 2:Uncle Nate, you still blue, he's still blue, I'm sorry you want me to get up?
Speaker 3:Yeah it's still blue here.
Speaker 2:You want me to go?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no. One of the things that she was just explaining to you and I communicated or talked with her is it's called African-American culture. Actually, I'm a dark-skinned male and for some reason or another, if they especially females if they see a light-skinned female, that's very attractive there's that jealousy that comes about, and this is what she suffered with in school and I had to try and assist her. Hey, you gotta overcome this. And because there's I can't tell you how many times that we've been out and mostly, mostly whites when they see us, they give us compliments on how we look. On occasion there are some Blacks that may say something, but on the other side they may be envious and say something negative about the way we look, you know. But I can honestly say I think we look pretty well when we go out.
Speaker 2:You said something earlier about journaling and you put some things in your journal. So now you know 2024, journaling is very popular, it's pushed. When did you start to journal? When did I start?
Speaker 3:Oh gosh, I'm glad you asked that.
Speaker 1:I think it was 2008.
Speaker 3:About 2008. It was about my childhood. I talked about my mom, my dad, my sister, my oldest sister, your grandmother who was definitely my favorite Coram and, of course, my brother. We had a very, very close relationship and it's just enjoyable. And sometimes when I'm writing a journal, I can see my eyes get watery because I do miss them. And they were my favorites and they took care of me.
Speaker 3:If I needed something, especially when I was in college, and I had a situation at one time, and who did I call? I called Ruthie, my little sister. Hey, how do I handle this? And she's very, very, very helpful. And there are times, sometimes when I was still working on the police department, I would come home on the way home and I said, hey, let me call Ruthie. And then it hit me sometimes hey, you can't call anyone unless you're not here.
Speaker 3:And the same thing about Stone Andrew and me. We had a extremely close relationship. I mean, we oh man, we all were relatively close, I guess, because I was the last one, and they also called me if they had a problem and they think I could assist them with it and get my opinion on how to handle it. So, and that was very important to me, to me and even, I think, while I was writing the journal and I thought about Andrew and how he helped me when someone wanted to beat me up and I had to call him in another city and Andrew was, as you know, was a short dude, and I'm saying, oh man, how are you going to help me?
Speaker 3:But he had that tone of voice and when he arrived he told like hey man, this is my young brother. If something happened to him, you know, this is what I'm going to do to you. And I don't know if he saw the problem, but the guy didn't bother me anymore.
Speaker 1:But you know what too, jason, I'm going to jump in and say something.
Speaker 1:Writing that journal and him continuing it now really has helped him a lot through what he's gone through with the stroke that he had. And I told him I said you know, continue. I kept encouraging him to continue with that journal. I said because this is going to help you and because sometimes his biggest problem was the memory, you know, trying to remember certain things. And I said you know what that journal is going to help bring back a lot. I said because it's going to put your mind to thinking now and he would sit on that patio out there and he would work on that journal and sometimes he'd wake up through the night if he can't sleep, and I may come in here. He's sitting in the chair right doing his journal and I'm like I'm really proud of you because and when he finished with part of it he'll let me read it and I'm like wow, that's really touching.
Speaker 3:You know, can I cut you off now?
Speaker 1:Oh sure, I think he's going to ask a question.
Speaker 3:No, go ahead I have to credit Pam and this is why I love her so much, because she recognized when I became ill and suffered with the stroke. I mean, we were working very hard in the house here that day. I remember doing a lot of push-up, working on the bicycle and doing weights and things. And we had a problem with one of the bathrooms we had and she said why don't you call the plumber? I don't want to call the plumber, yeah, that's what it was and I said I'm not going to spend $150.
Speaker 3:So I went in there and used the plunger and I used it two times and it didn't work. First time I didn't have on my mask, second time I did, and when it didn't work well, I had to call the plumber and I paid. And that night what happened? I had to call a client in reference to an issue. You know, because I was a private detective then and this lady was communicating with me and I couldn't respond to her like I wanted to and I didn't know why I couldn't. Pam picked it up and she didn't tell me.
Speaker 3:That day I started listening to him, yeah, and she said I'm going to take you to the doctor tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1:So I asked him did he want to go to the hospital that night? And he said no. He said he had a headache and I said I need to take you to the hospital and he said no, I don't have a headache like that.
Speaker 3:And the next day, when she had an appointment, she called me and said I made an appointment for our doctor. Our doctor was only two minutes from here, two minutes. And when she called me into the office and began to talk to me, I couldn't communicate with her. Some of the things that she was saying I didn't understand and I could see the look on her face. She stopped, she went outside and this is when she talked to Pam and I think she told her that hey, your husband suffered a stroke.
Speaker 1:No, she didn't know, she figured it. She said get him to the hospital and I'm going to. She said you don't have to stop, they're going to be waiting for him at the door.
Speaker 2:So you all, I know we could, we could be here, but we have to go, unfortunately. So what would you all say that people should know about finding love, keeping love and also taking care of themselves, especially as we age.
Speaker 3:First off, I truly believe that you have to believe in God and you have to be honest with yourself, be with your mate and not do the right thing and work with each other, regardless regarding whatever the problem may be. Communicating is so, so important, and I think this would definitely assist, because before I didn't do all of these things. I was doing stupid stuff or crazy things and I know God said, hey, I took care of you, fool. But now you know I don't do these things and I just love for us to be together. I love for us to travel and do things together. It's just the way I think our relationship works and we do things together, even in the house. I don't, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't work. No project, yeah yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3:She's an excellent cook. She loves to clean the house.
Speaker 1:I come in and and I clean sometimes I was gonna say this, jason, and it's something that Nate taught me too Life is about living, loving and laughing. Those are three more very important key to a relationship, and this is something that he taught me when I first met him, because I didn't even know how to laugh or smile. So that to me, when you smile and when you wake up every day and you're with someone that you love, is it is a good feeling. It really is, because in any, even if you're not with someone, still learn how to live, love and laugh with yourself. Make, do things to make yourself happy, because I walked alone a many a days. I had to learn how to do that until I got to the point where I was, like, you know, happy with myself, because really I wasn't, and you got to first love yourself.
Speaker 1:And then that goes along.
Speaker 3:I think we changed each other. There was some issues that we each had. She changed my issues and I changed her issues that she had and that means a great deal. But we are happy together now and I hope we're going to be together.
Speaker 1:Well, the good Lord and some of the good Lord say hey.
Speaker 2:I really thank you all for you know again sharing with me, sharing with Carol, but just being a lovely couple and the best aunt and uncle. So Thanks for tuning in to the Peace and Prosperity Podcast. If today's episode brought you clarity, encouragement or even a moment of calm, share it with someone who needs to hear it too. Your support helps us keep these conversations going. And remember you don't have to do it all alone. If you're navigating stress, burnout or just need a space to reset, I'm here to support you. Connect with me at jasonlphill Phillips dot com or send me a message on social media. Until next time, protect your peace, pursue your purpose and keep showing up for you. Be blessed.