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What Nobody Tells You About The Entrepreneurial Journey with Dr. Ebony - Episode #95
The Peace & Prosperity Podcast is a bi-weekly conversation with Jason Phillips, LCSW, licensed therapist and confidence expert in Raleigh, NC, discussing all things related to self-love and self-confidence, and how we can improve ourselves personally and professionally.
In this episode of the Peace & Prosperity Podcast, Dr. Ebony—licensed psychologist and creator of My Therapy Cards—joins Jason for a powerful conversation about money, ambition, and healing. She opens up about leaving secure employment to build a thriving business and how her drive for success was rooted in past financial insecurity. Together, they unpack how ambition can be a trauma response and why true success is about freedom, flexibility, and purpose—not just income. Dr. Ebony leaves listeners with this reminder: “Give yourself permission to course correct.”
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just the pressure and the more inflation happens. Economy changes. It changes our field too, right. And then we're competing too with tech companies and we're competing with all of these things. So it is, they are real factors.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Peace and Prosperity Podcast, where we talk mental wellness, confidence and reallife tools to help high achievers thrive. I'm your host, jason Phillips, licensed therapist, speaker coach, and I'm glad you're here. Let's get into the episode, all right, y'all? Welcome to another episode of the Peace and Prosperity Podcast. I have one of my good friends and you've been on the podcast. It's been years ago, it's been years. Welcome back, Dr Ebony.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad to be here, glad to be back always.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was going to ask you, so you're in Atlanta now. Yep in Atlanta. Has it been two years or one?
Speaker 1:It's been one. I just made one full year, June 14th. I cannot believe that it's already been a year.
Speaker 2:Are you liking it?
Speaker 1:I love Atlanta. I love Atlanta for everything that Atlanta is all the shenanigans, all the things. I really like it here. It's been refreshing to come here from Austin. I can't say so. I really do like Atlanta. Now I don't know how long I'm going to be here, but I like it for what it is now.
Speaker 2:Would you say, the food is better here.
Speaker 1:No Well in Austin compared to Austin. Yes.
Speaker 2:But Houston absolutely not. Oh, yes, yeah. So yeah, I've been to Houston once and it was really good.
Speaker 1:It's good because it's so like. I think atlanta is diverse, but I think houston got a lot of the southern folks too, from louisiana, let me say that, a lot of the louisiana folks. I really love louisiana cuisine and so I just think that it's just so much more diverse. I think it's definitely a foodie town. I feel like atlanta is known for wings yeah yeah, and then lamb chops and salmon bites. But you don't get that everywhere and I'm just like I am lamb chops out, I'm salmon bites.
Speaker 2:I haven't had salmon in two, three days already. So I know we just jumped right in, but some people don't know you. I mean you are super dope. Do you want to introduce yourself?
Speaker 1:I sure will Thank you. So I'm Dr Ebony. I'm a licensed psychologist and I also I have a private practice where I work with black women, other folks of color, around trauma recovery and helping, support them and just advocating for themselves, getting their voice back. I'm also a food relationship strategist, which is just kind of like helping people understand how to have a healthier relationship with food, and not really weight loss center, but really like how to build a healthy connection with food that's not riddled with guilt, but really like how to build a healthy connection with food that's not riddled with guilt or shame or rules. And then I'm the creator of my Therapy Cards, which is a card deck created for initially for Black women, to help them gain insight into some of the mental blocks, behavior blocks and like emotional triggers that tend to keep us back. But then that line has grown to include teens, men and not relationships. So, outside of those things, speaking, consulting all the things, but wearing all the hats. So that's typically what I'm doing day to day.
Speaker 2:We're going to talk about it. And so you've been in the field for not 20 years yet, right You've?
Speaker 1:been in the field for not 20 years yet, right? Oh, jason, I've been licensed since 2014, but I've been doing this work, I think, since 2008.
Speaker 2:Dang. So yeah, you're coming up on it, yeah. I'm coming up on it Three years, that's 20. So I want to ask you because we're going to talk about your trajectory and how you balance it all, but, like, as you evolve from being a clinician, a psychologist, like we have similar backgrounds, working for, like federal systems and then going into, like private practice and speaking, what was that like for you to make some of those pivots?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think pivoting, honestly is the name of the game, like if I've learned anything else over all these years, it's pivoting is the name of the game. And pivoting is always hard for me. So I'm a person who doesn't I don't like change, but I know that change happens. So I'm a person who always like fights against change at first and then just kind of like does it anyway, because I know that on the other side of change is exactly where I need to be. So it's always a mental game. It's always like I call it mental jujitsu, where we're always trying to figure out what is this going to look like? Because it's scary.
Speaker 1:And I have lived my life with predictability and that's like growing up. How I grew, grew up. Predictability has always felt safer. So in entrepreneurship, in this career, you really don't have a lot of predictability when the pivoting is happening. So that can always be really really scary.
Speaker 1:So for me, I think that I've just tried to put as many foundational pieces together to make myself feel like I can understand and prepare at least the best I can for what's coming up next. But but it's not always easy. But one of the things I've learned in this almost 20-year career is that I can trust myself, and that's always hard to believe. Sometimes the different seasons give you a different test to figure out if you trust yourself and just learn how to trust yourself more. So I feel like I trust myself and I know that it's always going to work out. I may not know how it's going to look or where I'm going to land, but I always know that it's going to work out, and so I trust in myself has been helpful with the pivoting yeah, because I'm thinking back on like our friendship.
Speaker 2:It's been like six years.
Speaker 1:It's been a long time. That's a minute, because that's a minute.
Speaker 2:Because I'm like we were both working for again bigger, more, I guess secure systems where you knew what your time off was going to look like, you knew what your pay was going to look like, you knew all the things. So you're going to add private practice and then eventually go into full-time entrepreneurship. One, how scary was that. And then how did you? Was there ever a time where you really was like I don't know?
Speaker 1:Oh, all the time. I'm still like that all day, every day, like I still don't know how to have all the answers, but I know the season that I'm in. So I feel like going from a very secure job working for federal, city municipalities and all that stuff, I feel like it had to make sense to me. I'm a person who's always leaned on logic because logic is predictable, right. So it's always had to make sense to me. And I remember being in therapy because I had to process this in therapy and I remember, like am I ready to leave this city job? Like it's so secure and the numbers had to line up for me. And I said, if I'm not making what I'm making, leave this city job. Like it's so secure and the numbers had to line up for me. And I said, if I'm not making what I'm making in this city job in my private practice, it doesn't make sense for me to jump out of it by myself.
Speaker 1:So when I started making the same amount of money, I was like I'm good to go and that's when I felt safe. But it literally had to make sense to me. I had to see the logic and the numbers line up, otherwise I don't think that would have felt safe for me. And even now I'm like okay, so what feels safe? What's going to be an easier landing? Not that it's going to be easy, but which option is going to give me the easier, softer landing? Because I don't like hard landings. Not even when I'm traveling no Land, this plane smoothly things, not even when I'm traveling like no land, this plane move smoothly, as smooth as we can. But I think it's been like that for me in terms of like, okay, it needs to make sense. I like logic. How can I, how can I strategically do this? And that's kind of what has, I think, helped me most mostly.
Speaker 2:I'm also hearing, too, that that you sought out other professional help. I know you work with great coaches. Sounds like you had great therapists, too, to help you process these big moves.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. There is no way in my anxious mind that I would be doing this by myself. You have to have a team, because there are things that you can't see, that they can see. My therapist even even and this is really good because people think you have to go to therapy to be in crisis. We actually pulled up the numbers together and she was like okay, how much are you making? I'm not an, I'm not your accountant, but how much are you making? How much do you stand to make if you leave now versus leaving next year? Can you stand to leave that on the table? So it doesn't make sense to it makes sense to wait a year.
Speaker 1:And so we actually did that work in session together. She's like I don't know about you, but I don't have X amount of dollars to leave on the table, so I'm going to leave right now. And so we kind of did that work. I was like, okay, that makes sense. But an accountant, a therapist, other friends who are like, okay, do you need to do this that much? Like, do you need to devote so much time to that thing? Maybe you can look at it another way or do something else in the meantime. But yeah, definitely not by yourself. I think we have so many blind spots we can't do that by ourselves.
Speaker 2:OK, so you talked about the numbers. It had to make sense numerically. But then what about the other part of, like you know, going full time entrepreneurship?
Speaker 1:What would have been some of the, I guess, the drawbacks, but then the benefits to the benefits is always the freedom. The benefits is always going to be the freedom and the liberation to create your income. However you want that to look, it's always going to be that I get. Even if I work 12 hours a day, it's because I wanted to work 12 hours a day and not because somebody else made me work 12 hours a day a day is because I wanted to work 12 hours a day and not because somebody else made me work 12 hours a day. So a lot of people ask me you work so much? And I was like I think when you're an entrepreneur, you work more than you would if you were working for somebody else, because you're building, you're creating. You don't have all the big systems in place that folks do a lot of times. So I think that is more.
Speaker 1:Flexibility has always been something that's been a value of mine with my career. I've always chosen jobs that allowed me to have some flexibility and say so, and choice in my schedule, so that aligns with my values. Now the other side of it, which is the emotional side of entrepreneurship, is like it's scary and like some days. I remember, just for full transparency. I remember waking up probably last in 2023. I remember waking up on a random Tuesday. I had just gotten a divorce and I think the divorce was finalized in August or something like that. And I remember waking up on a random Tuesday and I was like, oh, I need more money.
Speaker 1:So I went on LinkedIn because I was like I was about to be by myself, like this is how you do a one person household, one person income. I was like, oh my God, so I take my little impulse itself to LinkedIn and I got a testing contract. I emailed the company. They were looking for a testing psychologist. That was Tuesday, I think. By the next Friday I was contracted with them to do ADHD and autism.
Speaker 1:And that's just how it happened, but it was. It was scary. So out of my fear I said, okay, I need to do something else, and so it worked out that I needed to add that branch to my practice. But, yeah, it was scary, and it sometimes is scary because you don't know what. You don't know what entrepreneurship is going to bring, especially in this economy, in this society where we are now. It can be, it can be really difficult emotionally.
Speaker 2:So me, I'm looking at you from the outside and I feel like you know we have similar work ethics. You might go harder, I don't know, though, because you work, you work, you work, and it seems like it's sometimes work or work slash. Money can be like a coping response, like, oh, I'm feeling a little nervous, scared, let me get some. Let me see you come in, and then you just go ahead and just get a bag real quick, like is that accurate?
Speaker 1:It's very accurate and I'm laughing because we just are talking about this in therapy. Oh, I just processed this with my therapy last week in my therapy and so what she said was that the more money is safety to me, like, honestly, money is safety because of how I grew up. I never want to do that. So this ambition that people see I don't think I've been shy about saying it, I think I say it every time I'm on a podcast but this ambition that people see and I don't think I've been shy about saying it, I think I say it every time I'm on a podcast but this ambition that people see, this overachiever, it is for sure a trauma response.
Speaker 1:So I happen, I'm successful because of trauma and I'm continuously trying to run away from trauma. But also it gets me in trouble because the more I want to create a life of freedom, the more I pigeonhole myself into projects, into responsibilities. So the life that I want to live is one where I can randomly take a break and take lunch, where I can go meet my friends and go hang out. I can't do that with back to back, back to back. So what my therapist said was the more you chase money, the less you're able to do the things that you really want to do.
Speaker 1:So, yes, you've got money, but you don't have the life that you envisioned for yourself. You don't have the ability to spontaneously go meet your friend for lunch. You don't have the spontaneity to be able to just say I'm just going to take a day trip somewhere. You don't have that. Everything is booked around your life is booked around your appointments and I was like you know what? You have a really good point. So there's there needs to be some balance, and so that's what I'm working on now and I think in some seasons I have more balance than other seasons. But as a single person now having to pay for these, I tell people all the time I got these big windows, having to pay for these big windows. Sometimes it can be really scary to be like OK, I got to do this and I got to. So a lot of my trauma response around money is that it doesn't ever feel like enough.
Speaker 2:Say that again. You got to say that one more time.
Speaker 1:One of my trauma responses around money is no matter how much money I have, it never feels like enough. So I'm always like, well, I need more, and I need more and and I can't really in the past like I'm recently kind of like coming to terms with a lot of like settling in as a single person, doing this by myself and that kind of thing. Like you are okay, and one of the questions that I'm working on is what's enough?
Speaker 2:so that's where I am in this season, like what's enough yeah, and that's where I am in this season Like what's enough. I can see how that, you know cause, like again when we met back in 2018 or 19,. We both are making more than what we did back then.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then sometimes you still like I need some more, I need more.
Speaker 1:Eggs are going up.
Speaker 2:You said what.
Speaker 1:Eggs are going up, tickets are going up, everything.
Speaker 2:And I going up tickets are going up everything and I will say this because you live in atlanta, I'm sure the cost of living is way more than it was in austin. Like it. It costs here. And you know me, being a new dad, I can relate in the sense where I'm always thinking like, okay, now I got not just a wife but I got a daughter, so I'm like I need some more like. So that's kind of similar. Like you're single, so you feel like I gotta get to the bag. I have more people in the family, so I'm feeling the same way just the pressure and and the more inflation happens.
Speaker 1:Economy changes. It changes our field too, and then we're competing too with tech companies and we're competing with all of these things. So it is, they are real factors at play. And I don't have any kids, but I have two dogs that never grow up and they always have to be taken care of. You know what I mean. So even if I wanted to travel, I already know I have to pay somebody to take care of them. Travel, I already know I have to pay somebody to take care of them.
Speaker 1:So it's always an expense and that's a lot too, and I think these are the things people don't talk about openly a lot. As entrepreneurs, it's like there are a lot of expenses, even if it's not overhead expense because you work from home. There are a lot of things that you have to have in place to live the life that you want to live and it just is that. But outside of that, the trauma of always chasing money. That definitely requires some balance and some work, and I'm working on that now because it could be really scary to kind of like OK, so you want me to really block off this day when I can make this amount.
Speaker 2:Right the whole day.
Speaker 1:The whole day. Just not make any money today, Like no.
Speaker 2:That's so funny. I think that's why we cool Let me. I'm pulling up something I saw on Facebook yesterday and I want to read it to you. So would you rather have 10,000 guaranteed each month for doing nothing, or 100,000 a month, but you have to work 12 hours a day, Monday through Friday.
Speaker 1:What's the first number? 10,000?
Speaker 2:10,000 a month doing nothing, or a hundred K, but you work Monday through Friday 12 hours.
Speaker 1:To be quite honest, I think I'm gonna go with the 10 hours a month doing nothing because that aligns more with my values and I think the sticker shock of a hundred thousand dollars sounds great, but, honestly, 12 hours a day is insanity. Yeah, 12 hours a day doing this work is insanity, yeah, monday through friday is insanity. Maybe I found it um you said what?
Speaker 2:maybe if I'm lifting boxes or something like?
Speaker 1:or if I'm speaking yeah, because I can run my mouth all the time. Yeah, I can speak, I can consult. But doing therapy, writing reports, writing notes, keeping people out of crisis, managing your own crisis I don't think I can do that 12 hours a day, monday through Friday, because Saturday and Sunday I'm playing catch up you falling in line with like 90.
Speaker 2:I'll say there's like 40 people commented and uh like 35 of them maybe 37 said 10k a month.
Speaker 1:So because where do you enjoy anywhere else doing that like doing nothing and and my nothing like, if I don't have to do this, work, cool. But I can't also do nothing. So I'm gonna be, I'm gonna have a hobby doing something, I'm gonna be making something, creating something, creating content about how I'm doing nothing like it's going to be something. Right, I can't just do nothing. That's gonna run me insane. But also the excess is not worth it either, because you get sick. You don't sleep. 12 hours a day for five days a week is crazy.
Speaker 2:That sticker shot of 100K does sound good, but I haven't worked 12 hours Monday through Friday in a very long time, especially at this age like we over yeah, I'm gonna put y'all, I know we over 40 43, I'm counting my planner.
Speaker 1:I work 10 hour days doing testing on tuesday and thursday okay, today and wednesday. That runs me insane. That's only 10 hours doing testing and I might have a meeting or two after that. That is not sustainable, because there have been several days when I've woken up I was like how long am I going to do this? Is this sustainable? It's not sustainable this way.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you kind of said that. So let's talk about success and like one I'm going to ask you what does success mean to you? And then how has that evolved over time?
Speaker 1:So there was a time when success meant money. How much money do I have? How does my house look? Never cared about the kind of car I drive, because I'm not a car person, but other people look at what you drive and it's like, oh, you're successful. It never really mattered to me, but it was all about, like, how my house looks. Am I able to buy the things that I want to buy? Am I able to afford the things I want to afford? So it's all centered around money.
Speaker 1:Now I think success looks like how much choice do I have? And that's where I'm trying to get more to. If I was to think about a spectrum, I'm moving more away from the far ends of success being surrounded by money. To more, I would say I'm more. I'm more. A little I'm closer to. Success is how much freedom do I have? How much choice do I have? But I'm not completely there. I'm still working on wrapping my brain around. Money isn't everything. You know what I mean. I'm just from a trauma aspect. But now success is do I have a choice? Can I go where I want to go when I go to a restaurant? This is what success feels like, because we're both food Right yeah.
Speaker 1:It looks like can I have a drink? Can right, yeah, it looks like. Can I have a drink? Can I buy an appetizer if I want to do I have an entree. And can I get a dessert if I wanted it and if I wanted to do more, can I do that? That's what success looks like to me. Can I eat what I want to eat without thinking about oh no, I can't buy that? Because that is also my trauma, because I remember growing up we had to all. We all would get a dollar walker from burger king and then we all had to share the fries because there was three of us. Now can I have my own fries, my own drink? Can I buy myself an extra drink if I wanted it? Can I go to this restaurant and splurge? That's what success feels like to me. And when I go on trips, can I live how I want to live on vacation. That feels successful.
Speaker 2:No, I'm glad you said that, like, can you go to the restaurant, order the drink, the appetizer? Cause I will never forget, I had just got out of grad school and I went out on this date and I think it was like my first real job, so it still wasn't a lot. And I took this girl out and she ordered like the appetizer. She ordered a soft drink, she had a salad, she had the entree, then she hit me with dessert. I was like, are we going bowling?
Speaker 2:I was like we are done after this how much money do you think I have Exactly? I felt like she was just buying stuff just because she knew I was. I was like like man, never again yeah, this is a hundred dollars and I never forget that. Like so I get what you're saying, like now being able to go out to eat and just be like okay, yeah, I'm gonna get whatever I want and I'm cool, I'm okay yeah, and that feels good to me and it's like okay, this feels successful.
Speaker 1:I'm not coming running back home like oh my god, waking up depressed the next day, like that doesn't feel. That feels like okay, I have the freedom and flexibility to spend where I want to spend, because I'm not a bad girl. Like I'll see, the bags that I'm interested in now are black designers and things like that. Like I'm not a bad girl. I'm not a car girl. I'm not like I need the latest shoes or all that girl. I am like functional when it comes to wardrobe and things like that. Like I like nice things but it needs to also be functional.
Speaker 1:But where I want to splurge is on my food and my travel. I want experiences. So am I successful enough to give myself experiences? That's what I want, and experience doesn't have to cost a lot of money. But can I go to the botanical garden? Can I go? And when my friends come in town, can we go to the aquarium? Can I treat them for their birthday? Can I buy their meal or can I have something at my place, and it feel comfortable for me. Those are the things that I look forward to because they align with my values around connection and community and that kind of thing, and so that's what I want to be doing with my time and my energy and my money honestly.
Speaker 2:Love it, love it, so I want to. Before we wrap up, you got to talk about your baby, which is, uh, my therapy cards. Yeah, how did you come to then like, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1:My therapy cards is definitely a baby that is just continuing to grow. I feel like I created them one because, again in 2019, I was like how can I reach more people without needing to do one-on-one work? How can I be with people but it's not me? You know what I mean. Like how can people feel like they're working with me but they don't have to be working with me? And so I was like I can do guides, I can do workshops here and there, like on demand, and then, literally, this is honestly how my move to Atlanta happened too.
Speaker 1:I literally was sitting down one day somewhere and it was like you can put it, you create a car date. And I was like, oh, it literally just came to me. Like that Moving to Atlanta came to me like that, too. I was sitting at home and I was like I was going to move to Houston and someone said or you can just move to Atlanta, it literally downloads, just like that. And so when the cards came about, I was like, okay, it was going to be a full relationship car date.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And then the pandemic happened and I was like, oh, I have to pivot. So all of this is full circle, right. I was like, oh, I have to pivot. People don't want to be told during a pandemic what they need to eat. Let's go ahead and release the therapy card at first, rather than the full relationship card. So that's how that happened and, jason, thank you, you have been focused with me on each one of the card decks, but I appreciate you so much for that. But, yeah, yeah, that's how they were born and they're doing well.
Speaker 1:What I'm learning in this season is that the cards do so much better in person, so I'm having to do a lot more in-person venting. They got a lot more conferences Because people want it as a physical product. Right, it was fine when we were all in the house and it was online, but people want to see how things work, they want to touch, they want to read, they want to see, and so they do a lot better in person, and so I'm having to just get out more with that and do more brand awareness in that way. But they're still doing really well and I'm so super grateful and the cars work.
Speaker 2:like you know my clients they love when I'm pulling out the deck and going through them, because one I know you know it's like it's great information. Like you really put it, each part of the cars. Like you didn't just slap it together and this was before AI was even a thing too Right. So like you really did the work work.
Speaker 1:So I need to put that as a marketing. That's what I need to create some content around it. Like these cars were created prior to AI. Like you can go on AI now and just get any questions right. But these cards really came from people who are doing this work myself and then people like you and other focus group consultants like that were like no, this is not a good question. You need to work that this way. You need to work it another way. It really really was the work of the people who are in this field.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, and you made a point too, like by getting experts to to like vet the cars and you listen to the feedback. You was that hard.
Speaker 1:You know it's. It's it kind of is because I'm wordy I don't know if y'all can tell, but I talk a lot, but it's I'm really wordy and so I want to kind of put all the words together in a sentence, but they only have a little bit of space. So I think the hardest part was you can't ask that like that. You need to, you need to ask them in a different way and I'm like but it's not getting across the essence of what I want to ask. Right, but that was the hardest part. It wasn't hard to be told that question doesn't make any sense, no Cause I I came to terms a long time ago that I don't know everything and that there are people who do this work that ask far better questions than I do, that ask them in a far different way, and that I don't have to know everything. And it is not personal that I don't know everything. So no, that wasn't hard, it was just. How do I shrink this down to get this across in the way that I intend to get it across?
Speaker 2:And I'll say this too, like in terms of AI versus, you know, work with real people, like real people, come up with even better questions, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so too, even when I'm looking at the way I summarize some notes, sometimes I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna take that out and just put it the way I want to put it. Yeah, that doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2:If somebody is listening, you want them to take away a particular message or theme from the work you're doing and what you've learned over your years. What would that be?
Speaker 1:Give yourself permission to change course. Give yourself permission to course correct. Pivot. You don't have to have an idea and be married to that. This is some people feel so much shame around like oh well, I started out this way. What do people think about me if I turn to start doing something else? Give yourself permission to understand that entrepreneurship is all about figuring it out and give yourself permission to not have it all together. Nobody has it all together Like these. People are constantly trying to figure it out all the time, and the example that I use is like Doritos even had chicken flavor Doritos. They're always testing things.
Speaker 1:Give yourself permission to test, and it doesn't have to be perfect. I think that as small business owners, as entrepreneurs, we think we have to have things so perfectly put together. Nobody does. So give yourself a chance to figure it out, to pivot and to just be exploratory in this whole journey.
Speaker 2:I got to say that you bringing up Doritos. Do you remember when Cool Ranch came out?
Speaker 1:Yeah, when we were younger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a big deal, the Cool Ranch.
Speaker 1:That was a big deal. It was like, oh, this is different, and then it stuck.
Speaker 2:And now they're more popular? I think they're arguably more popular than the regular ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so too. I think so too. But they pivoted and they allowed themselves. You know? Another good example Taco Bell. Taco Bell's new slogan now is the taco place. That is also a chicken place, that is also a sandwich place, that is also a burger place. They know they have to change with the time and so they're like. All their commercials now are like Taco Bell. Taco place is also a chicken place, it's also a burger place. So pivot. They're changing with what customers want, and if you don't do that, you will phase yourself out. So be willing to change.
Speaker 2:I love it. Dr Ebony, where can people look you up online and your website? Can you put all that information? I'll have it in the show notes, but just can you give a brief on that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you can find me on Instagram. My handle is at Dr Ebony online and you can go to my website, drebonycom, to see where I'm practicing as far as therapy licensed in over 40 plus states, and then mytherapycardsshop is where you can learn more about the therapy cards.
Speaker 2:And I'll have it in the show notes too.
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