This week we are sharing an episode of the Strategic Families podcast. We had so much fun recording this!
From the host, Graham Clark:
"This episode of the Strategic Families podcast includes an interview with Andrew & Janelle Devlin -- awesome young parents with four kids who run a business together and have their own podcast, Love + Money.
They have tons of energy and great tips on how to be healthy and involve our kids along the way. You're going to enjoy and be inspired by this!"
This week we are sharing an episode of the Strategic Families podcast. We had so much fun recording this!
From the host, Graham Clark:
"This episode of the Strategic Families podcast includes an interview with Andrew & Janelle Devlin -- awesome young parents with four kids who run a business together and have their own podcast, Love + Money.
They have tons of energy and great tips on how to be healthy and involve our kids along the way. You're going to enjoy and be inspired by this!"
Janelle Devlin (00:00):
Hey, everybody. In a world that says you have to choose between being successful or having successfulrelationships, we are that space in between your awesome family life and your awesome work life. So,welcome to Devlin Worldwide with our podcast, Love + Money. Let's get going.
Janelle Devlin (00:23):
Hey, everybody. It was so fun to be on Graham Clark's podcast, Strategic Families. If you've not checkedit out, it's so good. So, we love being on there. And so, we are sharing today part of that podcast with you.We're talking about prioritizing family health. We're talking about feelings off, commitment on. We'retalking about the big picture of our health as individuals, yes, being in business, but bringing family into itand the importance of being strategic in this way. So, I hope you really enjoy this episode today. We surehad fun with Graham recording it.
Andrew Devlin (00:58):
And she said that was the best memory of her life. And she said, "Because I learned that you're nevergoing away. You're always going to be there for me."
Janelle Devlin (01:11):
You have to think of those priorities and what makes you come alive because when you're more alive,your marriage is going to be better. Your kids can see that. We can put a smile on for so long.
Graham Clark (01:25):
Welcome to the Strategic Families Podcast, where we challenge families to be rooted in God's word,energized with gospel centered purpose, and activated on mission for His kingdom. Hey, everybody, andwelcome to another episode of the Strategic Families podcast. This is Graham Clark, and today we havetwo special guests, our friends, Andrew and Janelle Devlin, who are great examples of strategic parents.They're in business together. They're active in their community. They dive in a life with their kids. Theyhave a vibrant marriage, and they just have a ton of energy, which you're certainly going to pick up onduring this interview. And I just love that Andrew and Janelle are right alongside those of us who havechildren in the home. So they really know the joys and challenges of trying to be faithful, and what Godhas called us to. This episode is a little bit longer, but Andrew and Janelle just have so many good thingsto share with us. They're strategic, they're thoughtful, they're fun, and I just know they're going toencourage and challenge you in really cool ways. All right. Let's roll it.
Graham Clark (02:25):
Well, I am excited to introduce to you guys today my friends, Andrew and Janelle Devlin. They are thehost of the Love + Money podcast, and they're great family friends of ours. Andrew, Janelle, welcome tothe podcast.
Andrew Devlin (02:39):
Thanks for having us.
Janelle Devlin (02:40):
Yeah, great to be here.
Graham Clark (02:41):
Awesome. It is a privilege to have you guys, and I'm really excited about what we're going to talk abouttoday because you guys just have so much to share about health, all kinds of health, mental health,physical health, spiritual health, and I'm just really looking forward to this discussion and how we canencourage families as we strive to do our mission for the Lord and what you guys can teach us about whatthe Lord has taught you through your ministry and your business activities and your communities. So, I'mjust really looking forward to this discussion. Well, before we get into all that, let's just do a basicintroduction of who you are, where you live, and how many kids you have, and all that good stuff.
Andrew Devlin (03:16):
We have four children. We have a 10, 11, 11, and 13 year old. And the fun fact is in January we'll havethree 11 year olds.
Janelle Devlin (03:26):
For 24 days.
Andrew Devlin (03:27):
24 days. 24 days with three 11 year olds. But yeah, we lived in Colorado for 18 years. And then this Junewe moved to Southern Utah about 19 minutes away from Vegas.
Janelle Devlin (03:39):
And a little more about us, I guess, is we've adopted two of our four kids. So, most of you probablyalready figured that out. And that was definitely not something that we thought would be part of our story.At least I didn't. I think Andrew always hoped to adopt. His dad was adopted. And so, he always said, "I'dlike to adopt." And I thought, "Whoa, buddy, for sure that is for other people and not me because I've justnever even really thought about it." It doesn't really... Anyway, nope, God had other plans as he does. Heshowed his way, and it's been the most fulfilling part of our lives, and it's added to our marriage. It's beenamazing for our marriage. It's been great for-
Andrew Devlin (04:17):
Hard for our marriage.
Janelle Devlin (04:18):
Hard for our marriage, but it's shaped us in a lot of ways.
Andrew Devlin (04:20):
Yeah. We definitely grew.
Janelle Devlin (04:23):
And this month is National Foster Care Awareness Month. And so, this will be, this November 17th willbe four years since our adoption day of the two girls.
Graham Clark (04:33):
Excellent. Now, I know most of this episode we're going to focus on health, but I do want to dive in realquickly on the adoption story. And obviously, we could do an entire episode on this and the amazingthings that God has done through that. But as I think about the title of our podcast, Strategic Families. Imean, one of the most strategic decisions, if you will, that you can make is decide to take in a childthrough adoption. I think it's amazing. It's not something that we've talked a lot about on the podcast. So, Iwonder if you could just share a broad brush stroke of how the Lord worked that out in your family.
Andrew Devlin (05:04):
Yeah, so it had been on my heart for a long time. I had not the greatest experience when I was a kid. So, Ifeel like one of the best ways we can heal is help the people that we were. Does that makes sense?
Graham Clark (05:19):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Andrew Devlin (05:20):
So, it's like, "How do we help kids?" So, we were over in Kenya, and we were planting fruit trees at aschool, and just kids everywhere-
Janelle Devlin (05:30):
Safari, but then it was a lot of humanitarian kind of stuff.
Andrew Devlin (05:33):
Yeah, and just felt like God was saying, "Hey, this is something." And we're like, "Well, what does thatmean?" And it sounds so cheesy, but I was watching a movie called Machine Gun Preacher.
Janelle Devlin (05:45):
Machine Gun Preacher [crosstalk 00:05:49], what's that movie Machine Gun Preacher.
Andrew Devlin (05:51):
It's a story of a guy who finds his purpose, and he helps kids over in Rwanda by extracting them. I gothalfway through the movie, and I just felt like God said, "You are supposed to help kids." And I was like,"What does that mean?" I had a buddy who would go over to Asia and extract kids from sex slave camps,if that's the right word. And I was like, "I don't shoot guns. I don't know any of this stuff." I said, "Whatdoes it mean?" So long story short, we heard a church that there was 600 kids in Colorado that werelooking for a home today. But generally people don't take foster kids because there's generally substanceabuse or sexual abuse in their background, and people really want babies. And so, we were like, "Whoa."So, we went to foster training and it was a project one-
Janelle Devlin (06:48):
Project 127, and based on James 1:27 about caring for the orphans and the widows. So, you know whatwe did, and this is part of our takeaway that we bring in into every conversation about this. And just evenabout our spiritual walk is you don't have to know the A through Z to say yes to God. You just have toknow His word, His promises, what He tells us, and you just take that next step. So, we say for us lookingat adoption felt like, it was like looking at a raging river. We were like, "Oh, my gosh."
Andrew Devlin (07:18):
We were thinking one kid.
Janelle Devlin (07:19):
How are we going to cross this? Because there's going to be trials. And I would say to anybody that'slistening that's adopted or had any involvement in this. You just know there's going to be stuff that's goingto come up. It is not going to be easy. It's not going to be seamless, but you just take that one step. So it'sthat we believe that the visual that I felt the Lord gave me was that stepping stone coming up just in theright time. But I didn't know where the next stepping stone was going to be, but I knew he'd lead meacross, and he surely did. And we didn't know.
Janelle Devlin (07:48):
We didn't know what would be two months ahead, but we knew what we had going on right now. Weknew we could do that day. We knew how we could be walking in faith that day, and that's the beauty ofthe journey. Then we look back to adoption day was this big deal. It was amazing. We made it a reallyspecial day. And it can be, so you get to that moment that you're celebrating, but you look back, and youget to see how God led you through all of those steps and all of that uncertainty. I think for me when itcame to me saying, "Oh my gosh, yes, we are totally supposed to adopt," was me realizing it's not aboutmy fears of, well, what if I get a kid that's... What if there was a kid that is like... I can't worry about thatbecause-
Andrew Devlin (08:31):
You actually had a lot of negativity from Christians saying, "What if they do this?"
Janelle Devlin (08:37):
What if you get a kid that's something with your [crosstalk 00:08:39]-
Andrew Devlin (08:38):
Who's had sexual abuse, and wipe the act out on our kids.
Janelle Devlin (08:43):
That's what everybody thinks about, but doesn't want to say, to be honest, and that wasn't even a part ofour girls' story, really at all. It was neglect. They just needed to love and boundaries. So, I guess, that's abig part of our story is that it was just being able to say, "Okay, the kids though don't deserve any of this."It's usually because of bad parental decisions. And so, they don't deserve having this life. So what makesme... This is just my conversation between me and the Lord. But what makes you think that you shouldjust have it easy? Why do you think you should choose the easy card? If you're called to this, and we'renot ones that say every single Christian should adopt.
Andrew Devlin (09:20):
You need to be called. You need to do your calling, but you need to be open to what that calling is.
Janelle Devlin (09:26):
Sometimes it's supporting other families that are adopting or fostering.
Graham Clark (09:29):
Yeah. It's amazing what you guys have done and what the Lord has done through you. And adoption justalways makes me think of what God has done for us. All believers in Christ. He's adopted us into hisfamily and what a beautiful picture it is to see that in our day and age and in your family and so manyother families, it's amazing. And I love what you said about, you just need to know what the Lord hascalled you to. And obviously be obedient to that, and you guys were, and what an awesome story of hisgrace and goodness.
Andrew Devlin (10:00):
Yeah, honestly now we just don't even think of him as adopted. [crosstalk 00:10:03]. It's not like, "Oh, there's the adopted kids." It's just, it's the kids, and they're all very different. They're all unique personalities and there's ups and downs and roller coasters, but we are a family and Janelle will say a lot, two groom her belly, and two groom her hat, and I can't remember which is which.
Janelle Devlin (10:25):
Sometimes people are little uncouth and the kids are all there with me and they're like, "So, which two areyour real kids?" I'm like, "I don't even remember which two were adopted." But you know.
Graham Clark (10:34):
That is so cool, guys. Thanks for sharing about that. I love to see how the Lord knits together families.One of the things we always talk about when we get with families, and doing ministry, we talk about thefact that this is not a random assortment of people that are in your family. This is not like, "Oh, we gotlucky." No, this is the Lord sovereignly orchestrating exactly who he wanted in your family. Andsometimes that's through birth, and sometimes it's through adoption, and sometimes it's through both. Andit's awesome what the Lord does through all of those means. I love it. Man, we could do a whole episodeon this. Maybe we should, but let's go ahead and move on to, I'd like to talk about health.
Graham Clark (11:12):
I know that health is such a... It's a passion for you guys, and it's not just something you read about inbooks. You guys live it. You breathe it. You've passed it on to your kids, and I want to dive into it. And so,first I just want to establish why. What's the big deal about, people talk about physical activity all the timeand exercise, and we all know we need more of it and yours truly included, but let's just go a little deeperbecause it's physiological, it's also spiritual. Physical health ties to spiritual health a lot. There's not reallya great question there, but you guys start talking, teach us,
Janelle Devlin (11:48):
No, we got you. This is what we love talking about in addition to adoption, and all the things. You wantme to start?
Andrew Devlin (11:55):
Go for it.
Janelle Devlin (11:56):
All right. Well, here's the thing. This is going to be no surprise to anybody, but we have hundreds ofmillions of people who are spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year on things, products, foods,drinks, whatever, to feel better, to feel different.
Andrew Devlin (12:09):
In the moment.
Janelle Devlin (12:10):
To feel something different right now. Whether it's that energy drink, or it's-
Andrew Devlin (12:16):
A Starbucks.
Janelle Devlin (12:17):
It's a Starbucks mocha, choco frappe latte, whatever it is, we're wanting something to make us feeldifferent. And so, knowing that, and knowing that we are fast paced. We're juggling a lot of things,sometimes we can just look at health as a number. Maybe it's just a blood pressure or it's our body fatpercentage. But I think we all know if we're not healthy spiritually, mentally, and physically, it's real hardto do our purpose and to do our purpose well.
Andrew Devlin (12:45):
Yeah, it's had to be a parent, and it's hard to be a spouse, and it's hard to be you if you are not at your best.I feel like most people choose short term pleasure for long term pain. And it's like, they're trying to getthrough the day with unsustainable short term hits, and it wrecks the bodies. And they come back and I'vebeen there where I worked two jobs. I came home thinking I was going to be a good dad, good husband,because I was getting back to fall asleep on the couch, that's it. And now I drive past the gym to go hometo try and be this good dad who would always fall asleep.
Andrew Devlin (13:24):
I didn't make my health a priority, and I was trying at that point two kids and a marriage. And what I'verealized is if you want to be in shape, it's going to be hard. If you're out of shape, it's going to be hard. Ifyou want a good marriage, it's going to be hard. If you want a bad marriage, it's going to be hard. If youwant to make money, it's hard. If you're going to be broke, it's hard. So, it's all hard. Just choose yourhard.
Graham Clark (13:48):
Yeah. One of the things you're getting at there is that it's pay me now or pay me later. Sometimes wethink, "Well, I'm just going to push it off the road." Well, that's just pay me later. What you guys arehelping us see is that when we take the time to focus on our health, yes, it's going to cost you something.It may cost a gym membership. It may cost time to go out and run. You guys jump in here, making surethat we're in good health, that we're getting proper physical activity. What does that allow us to do asparents, and how can we be more effective?
Janelle Devlin (14:18):
Nobody ever went out for a gym workout or run or any sort of physical activity and said, "I feel worse."You always feel better. God made us to be spiritual, mental, physical, emotional. We have this part of ourhealth. Our health is not, again, just a number. It's not just one aspect of it. It's so much of us. So, howinteresting that he made us to when we get out, he made these little guys called endorphins that getpumping. We're not feeling like going out for a run. I mean, I made myself train for my first halfmarathon, I don't know, six years ago, seven years ago. And it was like, I was always a horrible runner. Inever liked to run. I played soccer. I did sports. I was always really active, but I always hated to run, but Iknew I needed a different challenge, and I never once looked forward to going out to run.
Andrew Devlin (15:04):
There may have been tears before some of the runs because it was a plan. And she's like, "I got sevenmiles to do." So, I remember, I said, "Right, here's a seven mile loop." And she went, okay. So, she comesback, and it was from high school back to the high school. I was like, "How did you get there?" She goes,"Oh, I ran." And I was like, "Well, how did you get back?" She goes, "I ran." I said, "So, that was ninemiles." And it was like, there was a light bulb click for her. And she's like, "I did nine miles? I can do thismarathon." So, I remember that.
Janelle Devlin (15:33):
The other thing is that's only to say people that are listening have their own thing, and if they haven't thenI encourage you to start jumping into that. We tell ourselves way too often what we can't do and whatwe're bad at, and we just need to stop it, especially as believers because especially when it comes to ourphysical health, it's amazing how God shows up. You get up for a run, you know Graham, you get outphysically active. You guys were in Colorado last summer. You go out in nature and something lights upinside of us. And here's the thing, actually scientifically proven. Now, so I went through this certifiedmental wellness coaching certification in April and it was so interesting because there's so much I thinkwe've heard about blue therapy, green therapy, having our shoes off and having, what do they call it?Grounding on the grass.
Janelle Devlin (16:19):
I was a total eye roller because I had a few friends a few years ago that were like, "I need to get outsideand ground." And I was like, "What's going on here?" There's so much science. We are in nature. Thereare certain parts of our brain that light up that we feel more calm that our heart will sink. Even with ourspouse. When we are in nature and you're close, physiologically, there change in the body.
Andrew Devlin (16:43):
Even with a dog.
Janelle Devlin (16:44):
That's the thing. We never going to come back and say, "That was horrible," but we naturally want to bethis comfortable. We naturally want to see what's predictable, and I think that's sometimes when we lookat health it's what does health mean to you? Is health dieting, painful exercise at the gym, deprivingyourself, feeling uncomfortable in workout clothes? If that's health to you, we need to erase that, and weneed to come up with a new definition of what health is. And I could say nothing more than that. And Iwould hope that that would trigger people to go, "Yeah, let's talk about what health really is." Andsometimes we need to go back and say, "What did you love doing when you were a kid? What did youlove doing when you were 20?"
Andrew Devlin (17:27):
Most adults have got boring.
Janelle Devlin (17:30):
Boring.
Andrew Devlin (17:33):
One of the best workouts you can do is laser tag. Go out with some friends, play laser tag. You'll bedripping with sweat. You're going to get beaten and annihilate by 10 year olds. Well, I've taken guys lasertag, and then they'd come out with massive grins on the face. And I'm like, "You're boring. We've lost theability to play."
Janelle Devlin (17:53):
Andrew made me do a zum this exact time last week he... I shouldn't say made me, but he challenged meto go do this class at the gym that was like a zumba class, which is normally not my thing. Because hesaid, "You've been way too serious lately. You need to go have some fun." I came back and he is like,"Whether or not you want to admit it, you have this huge grin on your face."
Andrew Devlin (18:14):
She was glowing.
Janelle Devlin (18:15):
Because it was silly, and I was not good at it, and I was laughing at myself, and I was with a bunch of 20year olds. So, sometimes, just have some fun.
Andrew Devlin (18:23):
Yeah, right. It can be too serious. And so, I feel like if we can play or wrestle with the kids. Dosomething, do a silly diving competition at the pool with the kids or whatever. Consistency will beenthusiasm long term. So, some people can be really enthusiastic and a month later it's gone. So, I'mgoing to go and do my three weight workouts a week, and I don't like going to the gym, but I like whatthe gym does for me outside because it's vital that I have the energy and drive for my marriage, for mykids, and for my business. And then a mountain bike two to three times a week. So, that's my cardio, andit's scheduled in into my calendar. So I go whether I want to or not, and I cannot tell you the amount oftimes I've been sat in the parking lot going, "I don't want to do this." I've got an hour ride uphill. I don'tfeel like it. Maybe I should quit this spot. And at the end of almost every ride apart from when I'vecrashed I'm like, "Oh, that's so worth it. I feel alive."
Graham Clark (19:29):
You never regret it.
Andrew Devlin (19:34):
Honestly, driving there I'm never that enthusiastic about going. I'm just like, "Oh, it's early. It's hot." It'swhatever. It's like, "Oh, I'm going to sweat like a pig." But at the end of it, I feel great. So, I just put it intomy schedule, and it's a non-negotiable. It's a non-negotiable for my marriage. It's a non-negotiable for mykids. We are the embodiment of what our children either will want to be or they want to be the exactopposite. So, I want to show them how a successful marriage works. I want to give them like a videowhere they can see a successful marriage in action, but also that healthy adults. Again, this is not aboutwhat shape you're in. It's about you being healthy and do activity. They don't stop.
Andrew Devlin (20:22):
We're not sitting on the couch and I'm passionate about this, but most people spend more time watchingother people win than winning themselves. They'll see the football player run across that painted line witha bit of [inaudible 00:20:34] in the hand. And they would jump up and down and scream for that person.And they're like, "We won." You didn't win anything. You ate potato chips and drank [crosstalk 00:20:44]. There's no win. So, go and get a win in your own life. So many parents once they get married I'm like, "Oh, what do you do for fun?" And they look at me like I've got two heads.
Janelle Devlin (20:56):
It's like Andrew's known for asking that question, and it's always so good because most of the time, notalways, but most of the time you do get that look like fun? Aren't you going to ask me what I do forwork?
Graham Clark (21:09):
Well, I wanted to ask as it relates to family I think you've touched on something that most parents canidentify with, most people probably listening, which is, yeah, that all sounds great. I don't have any time. Idon't know where I could fit in. Just one more activity. There's just so much going on and I love what yousaid, Andrew, about how it's non-negotiable. I wonder if you could just talk about that a minute. Speak tothat family that maybe they've gotten a little sedentary, maybe it's they just don't have a lot of physicalactivity. They don't know where they can fit it in. What would you say?
Janelle Devlin (21:46):
You talk mindset and I'll talk physiologically what happens.
Andrew Devlin (21:49):
Right. All you're trying to do is be more active than you were last week. So, if you were sedentary lastweek, do five pushups, five squats, and five jumping jacks, and you've just crushed last week.
Graham Clark (22:06):
That's awesome.
Andrew Devlin (22:06):
Just start, and then next week beat that. And over the course of a year, two years, five years, you're goingto be in such great shape, but we're not competing with who we were in high school. I'm not trying to getback to being in my high school shape. I'm just creating better health, strength, endurance than I hadyesterday.
Janelle Devlin (22:30):
And also I would say one thing that comes up a lot with that is that we have to just decide what thatchange is going to be for us. So, two things just popped into my mind at the same time, but it's justdeciding that you're going to do something different with time, with Andrew, and I'll just tell you what wedo. We get up for a walk. If we're going to talk most of the time we just say, "Well, let's go for a walk andtalk." Most of us can do that. So, that's something as well, you're able to talk and connect and that's nothard. And most of us, you know what, we did this in Colorado. We put on all of our layers. The kidswould be cleaning up after dinner, and I get that sometimes depending on the age of your kids, but we arein this sweet, once the kids, the youngest was nine, we started by walking around a group of five of ourhouses. We just did a very small circle over and over again.
Andrew Devlin (23:19):
For like 40 minutes.
Janelle Devlin (23:20):
Because we were close to the kids, but then we started going for a longer walk. So to do that, that mightjust be the thing where you say, "Hey, let's just have that be our thing, 30 minutes in the evening." Again,our kids clean up dinner while we go for a walk most nights. So, then you're talking and you're gettingactivity in. And the other thing is again, like I said, you were leading into this, but it's just deciding thatyou're going to schedule it in. I'd say working out is my Prozac. When I'm working out, I feel like that justmentally, I'm just different.
Janelle Devlin (23:47):
Well, now we know that physiologically that's what happens. You not only are releasing those endorphins,but what's happening when you're working your muscles and you're getting the fresh air. Or even if you'reon a treadmill when you're being active, when you're eating the healthier foods, things change in your ofbrain chemistry. So, sometimes it's just knowing, just like you said with activity. We might not feel like it.You might not feel like choosing the salad with chicken and apple. That might not be what you choose forlunch. But if your goal is to lean up and to be healthier, that's going to be a choice that's going to take youcloser to your goals. And chances are you're going to feel amazed afterwards and that's going to help youto make the next best decision.
Janelle Devlin (24:28):
So, I think that's just it is we can over-complicate it. We overthink things way too much, and we just needto start moving. So, all of us can do it. People will spend, like you said more time on Facebook. Iencourage you to check your screen time on your phone, and that's a real... I had a real wake up call a fewmonths ago and I was like, it's showing my screen time. Now, I was doing a lot of work from my phone,but it was busy. It was eight hours a day, and I was like, "On my phone?" So, I had to really like, "Whenam I going to stop? And when am I going to unplug?"
Andrew Devlin (24:58):
November is when most people start getting more sedentary and then December and more food. I waslike, "What's your outcome for the end of November for your health and fitness?" None of them. That'snormally a January conversation, not in November. And I was like, "What if we went into Christmas thehealthiest we've been in years?" So, people go, "Well, what about Thanksgiving?" And I was like, have anhour where you can eat whatever you want. You give yourself an hour to just have the trimmings, have allthe stuff. Well, give yourself that hour that you can eat whatever you want. And then I like to think ofmyself as an athlete, whether I look like one or not, but I'm like, "What would an athlete eat today?"Rather than what do I want?
Graham Clark (25:47):
Yeah. Well, one of the things that occurred to me as you guys were talking about sometimes not wantingto make these healthier decisions, sometimes, which is true of all of us is this idea I heard years ago. Iheard someone say, "Sometimes our hearts need to follow our hands." In other words, and I've been guiltyof this many times where I sit around and I go, "Well, I just don't feel like it. I don't want to do somethingunless I actually feel like it." Well, sometimes I think that's garbage. We sit around waiting for somelightning bolt moment or something and sometimes we just need to do the right thing. And when it comesto the Lord, we just need to be obedient even if we don't feel like being obedient, and in the context ofwhat we're talking about.
Graham Clark (26:29):
Now, sometimes we just need to make the healthy decision, and then later our hearts will follow. I mean,you hear about people starting to run. Like you mentioned that you didn't want to run. You go outrunning, and then you go, "Hey, wait a second. This is pretty cool." So, your heart follows your feet inthat instance. Anyway, I love how the Lord works, and back to something you said earlier, Janelle, aboutgetting out in nature and how our bodies are designed for that. What I love about that is that it's not thislike new agey kind of thing. It's like God designed us for this, and so he works through that stuff. Likewhen we exercise our bodies, when we treat our bodies like temples, he shows up and he allows us to bemore present. Like you mentioned Andrew for your marriage and for your family.
Graham Clark (27:16):
I want to drive into that point a little bit because obviously personal health, individually, super important.We want to be healthy in our marriages, but we also want to model it for our kids. And you touched onthis, Andrew. I wonder if you guys can just develop that a little bit more. How do we get our kidsinvolved in some of these things so that we can help pass on them a life of healthy, physical activity? Tryto pull them away from the screens as much as possible. I don't know. What do you guys do in yourfamily? You mentioned walking. What other kind of things do you do to pass that on to your kids?
Andrew Devlin (27:48):
Yeah. I believe we are the average of the five closest people we hang out with. And so, right now we arean influence to our children. As they get older, we'll be less of an influence, but we've always said, evenas... I've had friends bring their kids home. They're like, "Just to let you know, my kids aren't going to eatvegetables." And I'm like, "Oh yes, they will."
Graham Clark (28:11):
That's so funny that you say that because there are sometimes I hear that my kid's not going to eat that.And I'm like, "You know what? I guarantee you eventually your kid will get hungry enough that they'lleat it."
Andrew Devlin (28:24):
My buddy Australia, he was over, and he's like, "Yeah, my daughter's not going to eat any vegetables."And I was like, "All right." So, we came back and she's eating spinach and carrots, and he went, "Whatdid you do?" And I said... So, one of the best tips is just, no, thank you bites. You need to give me two orthree or whatever number you decide no, thank you bites. And it's just human beings love... They cravewhat they're doing. So, if I'm sitting on a couch watching movies, I want to sit on the couch more andwatch more movies. If I'm drinking beer, I want more beer. If I'm eating pizza, I want more pizza. But ifI'm lifting weights, I want more weights. If I'm drinking water, I want more water.
Janelle Devlin (29:04):
If we're out walking, and we committed to 15 minutes we usually want to keep walking because it feels sogood. And physiologically when we're eating different foods and we say, "Okay, I'm going to actually gofor this. The salad or the leaner thing. I'm not going to get... The kids might be getting Chick-fil-A, butI'm doing something different." When you make that choice even what happens in your gut bacteriaphysiologically is changing. We want more of what we already have in there [crosstalk 00:29:30].
Andrew Devlin (29:30):
It's creating more biodiversity.
Janelle Devlin (29:31):
Yeah. I jumped into that topic, but all that to say, hasn't an amazing God made our bodies like that? Wehad certain strains of bacteria that are present throughout our digestive system that if they're present,certain strains will make us crave more vegetables, more fermented foods, and we'll find ourselveswanting more because we're eating it. We're eating more of what our body needs. So, it's kind of[crosstalk 00:29:55]-
Andrew Devlin (29:54):
I've had cravings for broccoli. It used to Snicker bars and Pepsi.
Graham Clark (29:58):
Great.
Andrew Devlin (30:02):
And now I'm eating broccoli, and it's just you do it. We introduce the kids to going to Ethiopian food at ayoung age and having two adopted kids, their pallets, they got Lunchables, and Mountain Dew for dinner.They were so... Malnutrition, they were heavier, but they had malnutrition because they weren't gettingnutritious food, but working on their pallet. It's like most parents, the kid goes, "I don't like that."
Janelle Devlin (30:32):
[crosstalk 00:30:32] gag reflex and I will say we worked through that carefully, but there were certainshe's just like, "I can't eat that." Some of you parents have probably even had that with your kids, andwe've worked through it. I think what you started to say is we would just say, "We don't want to make it abig deal. We don't want to make food as stressful for kids, and especially with healthy body image, all ofthat." We definitely don't want to get into the, you don't want to be fat or we don't want to bring in thatsort of stuff at all. But it's the, hey, I understand this is a new dish. No big deal. Go ahead and just do yourtwo no, thank you bites, next. I'm not spending a lot of time. I'm not making it PBJ. It's like, "Oh, this iswhat we do."
Andrew Devlin (31:06):
This is it. We eat together as a family. If you don't want to eat that, that's your choice, but there's nothingelse.
Graham Clark (31:14):
Into the road. One other topic that I think flows into what you guys have been talking about. You'vetouched on I think a little bit, but I wanted to sort of put an exclamation point on this is this whole idea ofenergy because it would be easy. Okay, if you're not physically active now I think it would be easy to lookat that and go, "Yeah, what you just said is going to make me tired and I'm already tired." And obviouslythat's not true. So, I wonder if you guys can flip that on its head and say, "No, this is the path to greaterenergy and vitality and the ability, bring it back to families, to be present for your spouse, to be present foryour kids, to be able to do some of these things where you can give them experiences of real life andreally be involved in ministry and that kind of thing." Can you talk about that a bit?
Andrew Devlin (32:03):
Yeah. So, for me this is sort of the visual. Think of a cup and we want to fill this cup up, and then we wantto give the overflow of the cup. And so, I've been there when I've woke up, and I've felt like a three hourattempt. Crawled out of bed, hardly could stand up, exhausted, eating crap, not working out, and draggingmyself through the day. If I look at my life, what's the evidence of my priorities? And number one waswork. Number two was kids. Number three was my wife, and number four was me. That was the evidenceof where I put my focus and I was like, "Right, that's exhausting me." And I was like, "What should itbe?" And I was like, "It should be God number one. And then it should be me number two," which mightsound really selfish, but if I'm not good, I haven't got any overflow to pour into my marriage. Mymarriage should be number three before my children. And I tell my kids all the time. I said, "I like yourmom better than you guys." I say, "Because you guys are all going to leave me. She stays with meforever." And I said, "So if I don't invest in my marriage I can't be the role model for them.
Graham Clark (33:18):
Preach it. I mean, I tell my kids all the time when Katie and I are having talk time at the end of the nightand kids start coming downstairs like, "Hey, back upstairs. I'm having time with my wife. She's my wifebefore she's your mom.
Janelle Devlin (33:31):
That's awesome. I love it.
Andrew Devlin (33:34):
Once you get your priority in place, I go, "Well, what fills me up?" And I go, right being in nature fills meup. I feel God's presence. I'm amazed. I'm like, "Oh God, that was beautiful." Or seeing the stars. I dareyou to see the stars without light around, and then not be in awe of his creation. Not feel like yourproblems now are super small because you can see the vastness of the universe. And then making surethat my marriage is a priority. Like, "Hey, am I meeting her needs? Am I putting her at a high priority,then my kids, and then work." Now, that's my priority list, but it's not my time list. Work still getsmajority of my time. Kids get the second amount of time, marriage. So, my priority list is different thanmy time list.
Janelle Devlin (34:28):
We've spent a lot of time talking about that because you're right. If you were to look at a pie chart of yourday of where your time is going. Yeah, majority for a lot of you guys, majority is work, but that's not thepriority. So, I think that's the thing is deciding and it's different for everybody. So, Andrew is sayingnature. It's what is it for you that you know you need to do for your own mental, physical, emotionalwellbeing. But if it's getting outside, maybe it's getting back into, getting a club volleyball that you'regoing to a couple nights a week where you're playing volleyball or an indoor soccer, whatever-
Andrew Devlin (35:00):
Table tennis, rock climbing, kayaking. There's so many things-
Janelle Devlin (35:04):
Find something that lights you up, that you love doing. You make it a priority, and it will benefit... It'llpercolate through the other areas of your life.
Andrew Devlin (35:11):
And it gives you something to talk about. How is work? How's the kids? And it's like, how was KravMaga? And you're like, "Oh, Krav Maga. I learned this new technique." And it's like, how was rockclimbing? Or how was volleyball? It's important, and we talk about this. Sometimes the best thing I cando for my marriage-
Janelle Devlin (35:32):
Oh, here it comes.
Andrew Devlin (35:32):
... is kick Janelle out.
Janelle Devlin (35:33):
He kicks me out.
Andrew Devlin (35:34):
She's done with the kids. She needs a break, and she needs to go and do something fun, and not be a wife,and not be a mother, and not be a business owner. Just go be Janelle somewhere.
Janelle Devlin (35:46):
Hence the Zumba class.
Graham Clark (35:48):
Right, right.
Janelle Devlin (35:49):
We did talk about that. It's never out of anger and it's never get out here. But it's kind of that, all right, I'mkicking you out. So, I know that Tuesday nights and Thursday mornings at the least, those are the timeswhen he's always with the kids, and I'll choose what I'm going to do. So, I would say, again, I'm thinkingof busy families and there's so much going on, you have to think of those priorities and what makes youcome alive. Because when you're more alive, your marriage is going to be better. Your kids can see that.
Janelle Devlin (36:14):
We can put a smile on for so long. But when you're beaming because you just went out and had some fun,and it might just need to be that it's 20 minutes at a time. So, you have to decide what it is for you. So, ourtime was pretty much from first thing in the morning, and we know our schedule. And sometimes that'sreading aloud with the kids at night. So, we're putting that stuff in place, the big rocks. The things no oneelse can do. No one else can read aloud to my kids at night. I mean, they can, but it's not the same. So, wesit around the living room, we go through a book. It's good for me. It relaxes me.
Andrew Devlin (36:48):
And that's not every night, and I think that's the thing. It's just going, "Hey, what do I have? What do Ihave to give?" And it's like, "I'll take the kids for a bike ride." And so, it's like, "How can we be activetogether?" You see a lot of parents that are sat watching the kids play soccer on a Saturday morning. It'slike, "Well, then go play soccer with your kids during the week." We like to ski. We like to ride, but it'slike, "How can we stop being a spectator and start being a participant? And the kids want quality time."So, whether that's playing baseball with your kid, whether it's playing football or-
Janelle Devlin (37:26):
Asking them to walk and talk.
Andrew Devlin (37:28):
Yeah.
Janelle Devlin (37:29):
Tell me about your day. Let's go walk and talk.
Graham Clark (37:31):
Yeah. I mean, just this week, Titus, our son, who's 12, who's trying out for a basketball team. That's asgood opportunity as any to say, "Hey, let's go outside." And we spent a little over an hour together, and itwas just some of the best time we've ever had as father and son. We like to... I've got this word strategic,and we like to have these big concepts. It didn't feel all that strategic. It was just us being father, son, andit was so life giving, and afterwards it was like, "Ah, thank you so much." And it didn't take all that muchof my time, and it reminded me that it's the kind of thing I want to do so much more of because it allowsus to be unified as families. It allows us to get to know each other better.
Graham Clark (38:13):
I mean, and we all know sports. I mean, it's just one type of physical activity, but sports is kind of amicrocosm for life. You learn how to win with grace, and lose without complaining, and respect theauthority of the refs. All that stuff comes with sports, and we'll get more of that if we engage our kids inphysical activity. So, anyway, that's I love that you guys are modeling that. I love that you're bringingyour kids into it. And I really think that if we can make a commitment to as families as you guys havetalked about, we'll not only have energy for ourselves and feel better, but we will be more activelyinvolved in their lives because we'll have the health that can allow us to do all these things that we talkabout.
Graham Clark (38:59):
I did want to touch on this, the idea that if we're not, if we fail to make this a priority. If we listen to this,and listen to you guys and say, "Yes, I don't know. We'll see. Life's hard." There's a danger there. Wecould get into sedentary lives. We could let years go by, not make this a priority at all. Let our health slip,and I'm not trying to be doomsday here, but we know what can happen. Can you guys talk about that?Can you talk about what we do need to avoid and why it's so important to keep our health through theyears?
Andrew Devlin (39:32):
Yeah. Well, when I met Janelle, she had both her grandmothers, and I lost all of my grandparents by theway, age of 10. And I never got to know them, and because it was cancer and heart disease. And that'sobviously a lot of lifestyle. Yeah, back then smoking, whatever, they didn't think it caused a problem andall of that. But I remember being shocked, one of my good friends who's in his 40s still has grandparents,and I was like, "What's that like?" To have a grandparent in your life, I didn't know what it was. So, itsounds funny, but I want to be around for my grandkids. I want to be around for my great-grandkids, andmy food choices today are going to impact that.
Andrew Devlin (40:16):
The point of life is to let go of who we used to be. Christ said we're born again. Well, we can leave thosebehaviors that maybe our parents taught us behind, and we can look at it and go, "What did my parentsteach me that was great?" What did my parents teach me that wasn't great?" Well, that's not who I am. I'mgoing to leave that behind. And so, it's just like we're here. Again, this is how I think. I was like, "What ifmy great crank kid really needed me, but because I eat donuts I'll never get to meet them."
Janelle Devlin (40:53):
Sometimes just finding a different definition, and it's interesting to hear inside your brain a little bit ofwhat goes on. And I say feelings off, commitment on. So, if you have a goal, if you know that your healthis not where it should be, and that doesn't mean we're not measuring a perfection. We're just saying, if youknow whether it's something measurable you received back, a lab result, or something like that, or youjust know your pants aren't fitting, and you're not feeling as healthy. If you're finding yourself mentallysluggish. You're feeling like I don't have that energy. Then it does matter what we say yes to.
Janelle Devlin (41:32):
So feelings off, we go off of feelings like Andrew was saying. We're going to go for the good feeling ofwhat it feels like to have a frappuccino in our mouth and swallowing it down, that whole experience.We're going to go for that feeling instead of the feeling having mental clarity and feeling justoverwhelming gratitude, a healthy body, and that we're saying we have to choose one of those feelings.So, we have to sometimes recognize this is a feeling, and my feelings are off, commitment is on. Thekids, maybe they are getting Chick-fil-A. Maybe there's something that we're getting for them, and it'ssoccer night, whatever. But that doesn't mean we have to, or it means that we can get the... I like to get thesuper salad and the grilled chicken. You can just get some, a different choice than the fries, and all thethings.
Janelle Devlin (42:20):
So, it's not judgment. There's no condemnation. I always come back to it's two different places in theBible. 1st Timothy, and I can't even think of the second one in Chronicles, but about how we should notbe mastered by anything. Everything's permissible, but not everything's beneficial. This is something thatI worked through in college and went through a program actually for a little over a year because I reallyhad disordered eating, and it really was affecting me in all ways, mentally, physically, emotionally. Andthat versus is just forever in my mind that everything's permissible. It's not that the chocolate caramel'sbad or I'm not going to label any certain foods bad, but everything's permissible, but not everything'sbeneficial.
Andrew Devlin (43:03):
It's like, is my food going to take my energy away? Or is it going to give me energy? Because this is thedeal, I've been depressed lying on the couch not wanting to get up, but I've never met an energeticdepressed person right. Now, if I could double a depressed person's, triple a depressed person's energylevels. They're going to look at life a lot differently. I think most people are eating food to try and getenergy, but it's robbing them later. It's robbing them an hour and a half later. They're going to Starbucks toget their... I don't know 500 milligrams of caffeine or whatever it is because they don't have energy, but ittakes energy away from them later. And so, it's about sustainability. So, I'm not looking to be a malemodel or anything like that. I want to have the energy that fuels my marriage, fuels my kids, fuels mybusiness, and allows me to experience joy on a more regular basis.
Graham Clark (43:56):
That's awesome.
Janelle Devlin (43:57):
But yes, I will say that's a big thing is just having a different frame around it. We need to sometimes asChristians and maybe you'll hear this today as you guys are listening, but sometimes if there's a storywe're telling ourselves, we just need to say, "You know what, that's an old story that's not even serving meanymore." Everything's permissible. And so, don't be jumping on diet or something. Everything'spermissible, but you know what's beneficial. Is it beneficial or is it not? Food for the stomach and thestomach for food, but I'll not be mastered by anything.
Janelle Devlin (44:25):
I know there was a time that I was mastered by the taste of food and it was this unhealthy overeating thenexercising, over exercising. This whole ugly cycle that was just laced with so much guilt and selfcondemnation. And sometimes I forget because that was half my life ago, but it's amazing how many menand women we talk to that are in their 40s and in their 50s that are like, "Oh, that's my story."
Janelle Devlin (44:50):
So, sometimes we need to throw off those shackles, and it's just maybe just starting with that first.Everything's permissible, but not everything's beneficial. So, we're coming into the holidays, andsomeone at work brings in some of those, whatever those, whoever created these sloth cookies or crumblecookies that are like, they taste way too good. Are you going to choose that? Is that part of your goal?People bring things in. What is it you're going to say yes to? I'll tell you I had to say, "You know what, I'mgoing to say yes to a couple different cookies that my mom would make." That's important for me. It'spart of Christmas. It's something I'd like to be able to have. And so, when I was in that place it wassaying, here's a couple things, but I don't need five, and I don't need the store bought sugar cookies thataren't even really good.
Janelle Devlin (45:33):
So, it's deciding to come to Christmas, and it might even be if health is really your goal to say, "Look atyour week." If there's a Christmas party or there's something, and there's something you know that's goingto be there that you'd like to be able to have, allow yourself to have some, but you don't need a hugepiece. And so, that's just our discipline. I mean, that's a whole other topic as well. I mean, our disciplineas Christians. That's being able to say, "Thank you Lord for our taste buds. Thank you that we don't justeat dry food in a bowl every day like our dogs.
Andrew Devlin (46:01):
They're so excited about it.
Graham Clark (46:03):
Yeah. That's a great point. I love what you talked about deciding in advance. I love that. That is sopowerful. If you could say to yourself like, "Okay, Christmas, there's tons of great food. I don't have tosay no to everything. I can say yes to a couple things." That helps you decide in the moment. If you don'tmake that decision, then it's like, "Well, whatever somebody puts out, I'll just take whatever because Iwant that taste.
Andrew Devlin (46:28):
Let's enjoy ourselves, but let's not overindulge.
Janelle Devlin (46:31):
Knowing that food never has loved us back. Food does not give us a feeling that lasts. So, when we startgetting-
Graham Clark (46:38):
That's good.
Janelle Devlin (46:38):
Oh, will say, one other thing I'll bring in is that we early on, especially having three girls and a boy, it'svery much like my kids will say, if they hear a friend say, "Oh, I love-
Andrew Devlin (46:52):
Chocolate.
Janelle Devlin (46:53):
Or I love chicken legs, whatever. My kids would say, "Well, we can like food. We don't really love foodbecause food doesn't love us back." We definitely [inaudible 00:47:04].
Andrew Devlin (47:05):
Otherwise, people build a relationship with food. It's that, "Oh, I love pizza." Now it's a breakup, which isa lot harder to do rather than, so I like mountain biking. Don't love it. Like it because it's a thing. I lovemy wife. But if I said, "Hey, I love mountain biking. I love my wife, and I love donuts." I want to save theword love for my marriage and children.
Graham Clark (47:31):
That's right.
Andrew Devlin (47:31):
Does that make any sense? And how often we love it.
Graham Clark (47:35):
I love it. That is awesome, guys. Wow.
Janelle Devlin (47:37):
So, hopefully that feels like strategy. I mean, I think looking at what we want for our family, we do needto have a strategy. Andrew and I are different personality types. I'm definitely free spirit hippie at heart,but I've had to learn how to be really structured.
Andrew Devlin (47:53):
There's no other option. If you want a successful marriage, successful kids, health, we both are like, fly byyour seats of your pants type of people.
Janelle Devlin (48:03):
Naturally we would.
Andrew Devlin (48:04):
It doesn't work with four kids, and marriage, and business, and wanting to be health. If you show me yourcalendar, I'll tell you what your success is in your marriage. If date nights aren't on your calendar, there's aproblem. But like Janelle said, how many times that we are scrolling through Facebook. If interacting oneon one with the kids isn't on the calendar, it's probably not going to happen.
Janelle Devlin (48:26):
I love what you talked about the basketball, Graham, because sometimes it can just be as simple as that.Hey, Mondays, I'm going to have a time that's carved out with this kid, and it might be 20, 30 minutes,and you just [crosstalk 00:48:36]. It doesn't have to be so... Again, we shouldn't overthink it. Decide what that's going to be and maybe how you're rotating it, but we at least need a strategy and then see how God shows up, and you have these moments like you did playing basketball with Titus.
Andrew Devlin (48:49):
This is something to ask your kids. What's one of your best memories with me? I get... One of my kids islike, "Hiking with you dad. I was five years old and it was so cold and we would run to the shafts of lightto warm up, and it's my best memory ever with you." So, guess what she wants to do. She wants to gohiking, and it's not like... Our kids have traveled all up. They don't mention all the places we've takenthem now. They mention the purpose, presence, and time that we spent with them on some of the simplestthings. One of the other best memories of one of my other kids was me getting up with her in the middleof the night as she was learning to be potty trained, one of the adopted kids.
Janelle Devlin (49:30):
At age seven.
Andrew Devlin (49:31):
Yeah. And I'd get up and I'd wash the sheets, and she would shower off, and I'd make the bed, and I'd getup again, and again, and again with her. And she said that was the best memory of her life. And she said,"Because I learned that you're never going away. You're always going to be there for me, and no matterwhat I do, you're going to love me." Her magic moment with me was urine. That's it. It doesn't have to be-
Graham Clark (49:56):
No, I know what you mean.
Andrew Devlin (49:58):
... elaborate. I took them to Disneyland.
Janelle Devlin (50:02):
You swim in the Loch Ness with her and she didn't even mention that. She's like, "When you got up andyou showed me that you're going to be my dad, you're not going away."
Graham Clark (50:12):
I thought about that. When I was changing... It was our first daughter, our second child, Hannah, she'snow 10. And I remember getting up in the middle of the night and rocking her to sleep or whatever. Andthis thought hit me. One of these days, she's going to be a young woman, and all of these experiencesnow, they may not feel like they mean much. It's just like, I lost sleep or whatever, but they all are goingto contribute to that moment as she grows. All those moments when she grows up, and I'll be able to say,"I was there." It was hard, but I was there. It just adds to complexity and layers of meaning and even thehard stuff. I love how you guys talked about just the mundane.
Graham Clark (50:54):
Sometimes we seek these mountaintop experiences, which are great. I mean, we went to Colorado, weloved it. We had mountaintop experiences, but man, life is lived in the mundane. I stole that from JohnEldredge, Get Your Life Back, which you guys recommended, which I really enjoyed, but just I love howhe talks about just the Christian life is lived in the mundane everyday faithfulness. And you guys modelthat so well, which is awesome. Before we go, I want to ask you guys, if you could give us a quick, whatis the Love + Money podcast? Just give people like a teaser in case they want to check you guys out there.
Janelle Devlin (51:28):
All right. I'll give the teaser. So, it's called Love + Money because when it all comes down to it, there'stwo big parts of our life that we have to be intentional and strategic with. And that's how we love. It's ourrelationships. It's parenting if you're a parent. It's-
Andrew Devlin (51:44):
Loving ourselves. Loving God.
Janelle Devlin (51:46):
That love part. And then it's how are we going to make a living? How are we going to make money?Because we do need that currency in this life. So what is that going to look like? How much of that isgoing to contribute to your worth and your identity? So, we have love and we have money, and how canwe do both of those well?
Andrew Devlin (52:04):
How can we do success well?
Janelle Devlin (52:08):
How can we do success well? And we of people unpack, well, what is success for you? Because we arehere to say success is your faithfulness in the mundane and those wins along the way. So, it's definitelyfocusing in on those key parts of yes, our health. We talk about health that's part of, one of our businessesis really specifically on how to be mentally well, and that gut-brain connection, but also having a lifegiving home, the money side of success, the mindset-
Andrew Devlin (52:35):
Well, we've got a two part relationship series on how to improve your marriage. We've got Dr. Chapman-
Janelle Devlin (52:41):
Dr. Gary Chapman of the love languages talking about strategy with kids. If you're wondering where tostart, he just talked with us about his latest book, What I Wish I Knew Before My Kids Were Teens. So,it's good [crosstalk 00:52:53]-
Andrew Devlin (52:53):
We've Dr. Shawn Talbott talking about mental fitness, which is a great book. And then we've got aprofessional organizer on how to have your house in-
Janelle Devlin (53:06):
Different [crosstalk 00:53:07] of the home. So, we just feel like if we can just... Again, knowing no oneelse can take the spouse on the date. No one else can pour into your child like you can. No one else can bethe kid and the friend, only you can. So, those things that you can only do-
Andrew Devlin (53:24):
schedule them [crosstalk 00:53:26]-
Janelle Devlin (53:25):
We need to do them well. And if that's going to be a part of our legacy, we have to do it well. So, then it'swhat can we delegate? So, we talk a lot about that. You're busy, you're juggling a lot. Sometimes it's goodjust to zoom out and say, "Okay, what is my main responsibility?"
Andrew Devlin (53:38):
Yeah. One of the podcasts is the illusion of balance and people are trying to balance things and it alwaysfails. So, again, check it out. And then, we dive into many different subjects, so-
Janelle Devlin (53:51):
Everything just comes down to love and money, and doing that well. And our intent is that it encouragespeople, and especially in their faith to be able to have that space between their work life and family thatthey feel encourages them in the journey.
Graham Clark (54:05):
Fantastic. Well, I encourage everybody to go check you guys out wherever you get podcasts, Love +Money. And Janelle, Andrew, it's been a real joy to hear from you guys and learn from you. So manygood takeaways, so many good challenges. I think anybody listening to this can at least take away one,and probably 10 things that you guys have challenged us on and say, "Yeah, we can do better in ourfamilies. We can be more strategic. We can be healthier. We can be more active." It's so cool that if wetake those little steps of faithfulness, I believe that God will show up in big ways. So, thank you guys formodeling that and for teaching us so much today. Thank you so much.
Janelle Devlin (54:48):
We can do it. We can do it because God is faithful, and because God gives us His strength. So, don't relyon your own strength. When we do that, we get discouraged. So, knowing that we can make that change,whatever it was, maybe that jumped out to you today, not by our strength, but because of the strength wehave through Christ Jesus.
Graham Clark (55:05):
That's awesome. Well, thank you guys so much. We really appreciate your time and all your wisdom.
Janelle Devlin (55:10):
Thank you. Thanks for having us. This is wonderful.
Andrew Devlin (55:12):
All right. God bless everyone. Thanks for listening.
Graham Clark (55:14):
You too. Andrew, Janelle, wow. How do you guys manage to do all this? It's so cool what the Lord isdoing through you and your family, and how you guys are modeling faithfulness to Him. Thank you somuch for encouraging and challenging us today. All right. What do you say, folks? Let's get active withour kids. Let's make healthy choices so we can have the energy to be present and ready to be on missionfor the Lord. Thanks so much for listening, everybody, and make sure to check us out onstrategicfamilies.com and sign up for our email list there. We would love to hear from you, and if youhave any suggestions on others to bring on the podcast, please pass those along. All right. So, dive in withyour kids and let's be strategic for God's kingdom, and God's glory. We'll see you next time.
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