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And he's"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23793.037,"endTime":23796.637,"body":"just so like a"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23793.037,"endTime":23796.637,"body":"James Bond film, knowing that"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23796.637,"endTime":23800.387,"body":"he's got this bomb hit next to"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23796.637,"endTime":23800.387,"body":"him and he's got this plan, but"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23800.387,"endTime":23803.087,"body":"he could take a little nap a"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23800.387,"endTime":23803.087,"body":"little cat nap before he goes"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23803.087,"endTime":23806.237,"body":"into action. Like what a guy"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23803.087,"endTime":23806.237,"body":"what a criminal."},{"speaker":"Sal Rodriguez","startTime":23806.867,"endTime":23808.877,"body":"Definitely a"},{"speaker":"Sal Rodriguez","startTime":23806.867,"endTime":23808.877,"body":"smooth criminal. Definitely"},{"speaker":"Sal Rodriguez","startTime":23808.907,"endTime":23811.817,"body":"probably one of one of the"},{"speaker":"Sal Rodriguez","startTime":23808.907,"endTime":23811.817,"body":"smoothest, if not the smoothest."},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23812.117,"endTime":23814.727,"body":"Anyway, it's why"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23812.117,"endTime":23814.727,"body":"I wanted to make it episode one"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23814.757,"endTime":23818.777,"body":"of that's a crime. A lot of fun"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23814.757,"endTime":23818.777,"body":"to do a deep dive and, and to"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23818.777,"endTime":23822.227,"body":"this case, I thought I knew a"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23818.777,"endTime":23822.227,"body":"lot until we researched it. And"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23822.227,"endTime":23825.617,"body":"I learned a ton more and"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23822.227,"endTime":23825.617,"body":"actually, there's more to learn"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23825.647,"endTime":23828.737,"body":"even after that. 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Thank you"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23838.877,"endTime":23841.547,"body":"so much for listening. And"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23841.547,"endTime":23844.487,"body":"please be sure to subscribe to"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23841.547,"endTime":23844.487,"body":"that's a crime wherever you get"},{"speaker":"Jason Connell","startTime":23844.487,"endTime":23847.157,"body":"your podcast. 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