Embarking on a new career path can be a daunting venture, especially for those stepping out of the realm of teaching. In our latest conversation with Daphne Gomez of Teacher Career Coach, we unearth the gains and challenges of shifting careers, and how educators can thrive in uncharted territories.
Daphne doesn't just share her story; she equips teachers with the compass for navigating through the stigma and practicalities of career reinvention. If you've ever felt the pull to explore life beyond the classroom, this episode promises to light your path with actionable advice on resume building and the art of transferring your teaching prowess to the corporate world.
As we break down the process of career change, we address the Tarzan tactic—why it's vital to secure a new professional branch before letting go of the old. Diverse insights pave the way for a journey marked by strategic timing, financial foresight, and the willingness to start anew, possibly even at a lower rung to climb faster later.
Daphne delves into the importance of self-awareness in this transition, driving home the message that understanding your strengths is the foundation for success, whether you're aiming for a role in instructional design, sales, or any other field. Through this episode's rich dialogue, teachers will find the encouragement and tools needed to turn the page and begin a fulfilling chapter in the story of their careers.
Check out Daphne's website here: Teacher Career Coach
Hear her podcast here: Teacher Career Coach Podcast
Follow her on Instagram: @teachercareercoach
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Embarking on a new career path can be a daunting venture, especially for those stepping out of the realm of teaching. In our latest conversation with Daphne Gomez of Teacher Career Coach, we unearth the gains and challenges of shifting careers, and how educators can thrive in uncharted territories.
Daphne doesn't just share her story; she equips teachers with the compass for navigating through the stigma and practicalities of career reinvention. If you've ever felt the pull to explore life beyond the classroom, this episode promises to light your path with actionable advice on resume building and the art of transferring your teaching prowess to the corporate world.
As we break down the process of career change, we address the Tarzan tactic—why it's vital to secure a new professional branch before letting go of the old. Diverse insights pave the way for a journey marked by strategic timing, financial foresight, and the willingness to start anew, possibly even at a lower rung to climb faster later.
Daphne delves into the importance of self-awareness in this transition, driving home the message that understanding your strengths is the foundation for success, whether you're aiming for a role in instructional design, sales, or any other field. Through this episode's rich dialogue, teachers will find the encouragement and tools needed to turn the page and begin a fulfilling chapter in the story of their careers.
Check out Daphne's website here: Teacher Career Coach
Hear her podcast here: Teacher Career Coach Podcast
Follow her on Instagram: @teachercareercoach
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The way that I teach people to leave teaching is if you are open to breaking your teaching contract, and that is a very personal and hard decision. But if you are open to breaking your teaching contract, you're applying to jobs year round and then you're only leaving your teaching position once you have a job lined up.
Speaker 2:Hey, this is Allison, and welcome to the Inspire Budget Podcast, where we talk all things budgeting, debt and saving money. Today, we've got an incredible guest who's all about helping educators shape their careers and finances. I want to introduce you to Daphne Gomez, the force behind Teacher Career Coach and the host of the Teacher Career Coach podcast. She's gone from the classroom to a Fortune 500 company and even launched her own gig, all while helping teachers thrive in their careers. Daphne is here to share her journey and insights and talk about how teachers can make the transition while keeping their financial health in check. Daphne, welcome to the Inspire Budget Podcast.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2:I'm excited you're here too, so could you start by telling us a little bit about what inspired you to pivot from teaching and instructional design to becoming a Career Coach for teachers?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it started out when I was a teacher and I was looking to transition out of the classroom myself. I really struggled to find any resources. This is back in 2017. So I did all the Google searches other jobs that hired teachers and it was like oh, be a tutor or a nanny, or have you thought about working as a principal? There were no websites or resources that really talked about how my master's degree and my skills would translate into another role, and I knew that I needed to find a completely different career, at least for a year, to heal from whatever had happened that school year. I just needed to find something.
Speaker 1:So I ended up working for a really well-known Fortune 500 company as an educational consultant, and it was a really great gig. I was speaking at national conferences, I was doing stuff for their education department and during that time I worked completely free to the schools and districts that I worked with, but as a consultant that helped create professional developments or create solutions for their classrooms, and during that time a lot of the teachers that I worked with would whisper how did you get out? Even my former colleagues, who I thought were really happy, would reach out and say how did you find a job outside of the classroom. How did you get this job? I had former principles of mine Wow, reach out and say, hey, you work for this really cool company. Would I be able to do something like that?
Speaker 1:And so that sparked the idea, but it didn't really come to fruition until I started working for another really known tech startup as an instructional designer and for anyone who's curious, instructional design is just creating digital courses, creating e-learning experiences my job was to create the teacher training program to help them learn how to use this program in their own classrooms, so that they could just go to a website and watch training videos from someone who had a teaching background. But the more I learned about instructional design and creating the course, I thought I want to create that program, the thing that I didn't have when I was in the classroom. I want to create something that doesn't exist, and so that's when I really started focusing on creating teacher career coach, which has been years in the making and, honestly, one of the most rewarding things that I've ever done in my life, even past teaching.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. So teacher career coach really guides teachers into how to exit the classroom and use their degree to do something else that might be fulfilling to them.
Speaker 1:That's the overall of what especially our course does, where we help people rewrite their resumes and translate their experience, but Teacher Career Coach as a company has really become a place where people are able to just go and evaluate other careers, judgment free and stigma free.
Speaker 1:And what I really like from the lens of being a teacher is that I'm able to create this overall resource library of hey. Come over here and you can actually have this hard conversation. But let me talk about where you are on the pension scale so that you know how this may impact you. Or let's interview therapists who talk about how being in these helper positions can really have an impact on your mental health and all the things that you may want to consider looking at before leaving the classroom, because leaving the classroom is not going to be a great fit for every single person.
Speaker 1:There are other factors in your life that may be making you unhappy as a teacher and you want to evaluate holistically what's going on. And if I tell you you know, changing schools or grade levels or looking at the pension makes you roll your eyes in the back of your head and you say absolutely not, like I have to leave. Well then, yeah, we absolutely have the resources to help you leave, but it's become something much bigger than just everyone should leave, and that's what I really like Making sure people know about. Teacher career coach also is that we hope that people take the time because it is such a big, important decision. It's a scary one, but it's one that's absolutely possible if you know in your heart that that's what you want.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I actually want to take a minute real quick because, with Inspire Budget, like I value teachers so much. I was a teacher for 10 years. My husband is a teacher. He plans to remain as a teacher until he retires, until he can qualify for his full pension, which is like another 12 years or so but I do want to say that I value teachers and it's very interesting to me now that I'm kind of out of the teacher world In terms of no longer teaching since 2019, it's so interesting how we have this different set of expectations for teachers that, hey, you need to start teaching right when you graduate college and we expect you to be a teacher forever.
Speaker 2:And it's so crazy to me that the idea of leaving teaching is so scary, whereas if you were to just step outside of the teaching world and go into the corporate world or just any other type of job, people are pivoting and changing all the time, whereas as teachers, we feel so pigeonholed and I think society pigeonholes us and saying no, you're a teacher, you have to stay a teacher, and I want any teachers listening to let go of that expectation, because I think it's totally normal to adjust and pivot over your career and it's OK. It doesn't mean that teaching wasn't wonderful for you. It doesn't mean that you're not a great teacher. It just means that we all have different times in our life and our career changes over time, and that's OK.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's such a good point and it's something we've talked about a lot before with people in our community on our resources is that teaching is one of the last professions. That is this like forever career. There's a couple of other careers that are similar, but teaching is very unique in the fact that you're expected to sign up and then retire from it. We're at other corporations. If you're working in marketing and you actually think that sales might be a better fit, after a couple of years you can pivot or there's some sort of growth and what really happens with that is you have a lot of people who are fresh out of college who get put in a profession and, whether or not they are happy in the profession, for all the other reasons why other teachers are leaving. There are people who are actually very happy in teaching but they feel stagnant.
Speaker 1:They just, they just create change, because that is actually what's more normal in career development and in other people's career trajectories, is being able to learn new things. So after 10 years in the classroom, you might feel like that's kind of the same and every day, yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2:Different right.
Speaker 1:But there is this sense of reward when you continue to push yourself and continue to grow in new ways, and especially when that growth comes with some sort of extrinsic motivation and financial incentive. If you hustle more and you get compensated more. That's something that people realize. Oh, that actually motivates me a little bit more than I thought it was. And so just learning new things about yourself. You don't have to be an absolute miserable teacher. I was not well the last year that.
Speaker 1:I had and I have to say I was one of those people that I had lost the joy of teaching altogether, but there are people who leave just based on you know, and I think that it's time for me to try something new, even if I'm not breaking down, falling on the work or all of those other really big red flags that make people know, hey, it's time for me to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was me. I wasn't totally burnt out, I wasn't dreading going into the classroom. I still enjoyed my job, but I had I'd been doing it for 10 years and I had this new thing that I was really excited about building this business that was so fresh and so new and so rewarding. All I could think about was that and that's what I went with, and in a way, I'm still teaching, but it's OK for that. It's OK in 10 years for me to be done with Inspire Budget and pivot to something new.
Speaker 2:I love how you said that that is the norm outside of teaching, and so for any teachers that are listening or former teachers that are listening, I just want you to hear that it's OK for you to have those feelings and want a challenge outside of the classroom. It's also OK for you to just stay in the classroom, do what works for you. But I do want to know Daphne taking this leap, maybe just leaving teaching or just changing jobs entirely. It can be really scary financially, especially when you are used to this set income. So what do you recommend for the people that you work with to kind of have in place financially with their money, to make sure that they're ready for this pivot, for this change.
Speaker 1:So this is going to be one of those questions that's very hard to answer because everybody is completely different. So I'll go over a couple of different scenarios, but I want to start with. There's this really great quote. I think that the guy's name is Derek Sivers and I apologize if I'm botching his name, but it's something around the lines of like, change careers, like Tarzan, like do not leave one vine until you have another vine. That's basically holding you and supporting you, and that is the approach that I like to tell teachers to take.
Speaker 1:Be very cautious, and especially because if you have not ever worked outside of the classroom, if your only experience is applying for teaching jobs, it feels competitive. When you're applying for teaching jobs, you're like oh gosh, this is hard. Other jobs are going to be far more competitive and it's going to be a little bit harder to get into them. So it's hard for me to tell you make sure to have three months of emergency savings if you leave the classroom and you have absolutely no other source of income, if you don't have a significant other that's going to financially support you, because there is no clear timeline of how long it's going to take, and I hate telling people that because it's such a scary feeling. But I think that it's really important for everybody to be honest, and there are a lot of dishonest marketers out there that are going to tell you, buy this course for $2,000 and I'll get you a job in eight weeks. That is not a realistic offer and it's not something that someone can promise. So I want to make sure to be very transparent, of anticipate the unexpected, anticipate.
Speaker 1:If you are unemployed, it may take three to six months to find employment. That depending on what you are specifically looking for. If you are open to having what's called a stepping stone position, where you are at on your pay scale and all the things that I say feel super negative right now because I want everyone to really understand okay, this is how to prepare for this. And now on the positive side, there are so many people who go into it with the mindset of I can never match my salary and making $60,000, and then they immediately go into a new role and make $75,000 and they're shocked because they anticipated oh, I'm only going to be able to take $40,000 positions. There are people who are more on a time crunch that do take lower pay and then, within a year or two, they end up being able to surpass their teaching salary because the pay scales changed so quickly and they were able to grow so rapidly in the company within that year. So there are all these different factors that are going to be unique.
Speaker 1:The way that I teach people to leave teaching is if you are open to breaking your teaching contract, and that is a very personal and hard decision but if you are open to breaking your teaching contract, you're applying to jobs year round and then you're only leaving your teaching position once you have a job lined up. If you are trying to time it perfectly with your teeny tiny application window at the end of the school year, then there's two different choices you can make there. And this is the option that many people do end up finding themselves in, because breaking your teaching contract is something that usually happens when you are really struggling and in this really hard position and you know you just have to get out of teaching and you never plan to ever come back. But the people that wait until the end of the school year, they have it all set up. They've started rewriting their resume or taking our course by November or December of the year to identify jobs that they're really excited about, start to learn about those jobs, rewriting their resume and then applying two months before their job is actually finished as a teacher, aggressively applying as much as they can and having everything ready to go. And then they have a month or two of wiggle room to potentially break a contract in the middle of the summer.
Speaker 1:But if it didn't happen for them during that time, they either sign and rinse and repeat the process for the stability or they end up waiting a month or two without any sort of employment, and those people usually do have a safety net set up of I anticipated being unemployed for a certain amount of time. Here's my cushion and then here's my plan B by September 15th I don't have something. This is what I would plan on doing. Would I go back? Would I start substitute teaching?
Speaker 1:Would I be taking some sort of grocery store position or something that is maybe not going to live on my resume for the rest of my life. Right, it's going to pay my bills or help pay my bills for a little while, while I'm looking for something else. And so that's where it's like so many different tasks that you can take and just depending on what your needs are, your timeline needs are, your financial situation is that's where these big decisions need to be made.
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Speaker 2:And I'm going to make a blanket statement and this is obviously I shouldn't make a blanket statement, but I will that teachers tend to be planners, right, just by nature. With the job, you have to have a plan, so they tend to be planners, and the idea of planning for all of these possibilities can be really overwhelming and really stressful, especially whenever you haven't you've never had to do that before, so I love that you kind of break it down with your options. It's almost like you're you're on this little path, this walking path, and do you want to go left or do you want to go right? And if you choose to go left, okay, here are your options. So I like that you break it down and make it easy, because that's really what teachers do for children and for others, and I love that you do that for teachers, because it's nice to be, it's nice to be guided sometimes, instead of always doing the guiding, wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and I think one of the things that helps me because I have a really good relationship with a therapist now and I've gotten through a lot of different exercises to help myself personally but I suffer from anxiety. Leaving teaching was very, very challenging for me and I try and not freak anyone out when I'm telling them things, but I want to make sure that they're prepared for roadblocks and that they can predict those roadblocks so that they can better plan for that, because that is something that helps me with my own personal anxiety is thinking of what is the best that can happen, what is the worst that can happen, what would I do if the worst happened? And is it, you know, as Marie Forle would say, figure outable?
Speaker 1:And that was one of those concepts that really helped me is okay if you left and the next job isn't the perfect job for you, because I spiral and I want to think of every worst case scenario to make myself not do that big scary thing. If fear is trying to talk you out of it, then think about, like, okay, what if it's terrible? Well, let's just, you know, play devil's advocate and I'll let that be down or take control for a second. Well, is it better on my resume for me to have this position? Would it be easier for me to apply for jobs year round? Would I have my foot in the door at the tapes of companies I want to grow in? What is the worst that could happen?
Speaker 1:And then, if you left in a way that you still have your teaching license and that there weren't any repercussions for that career, would the worst case scenario be I could go back to teaching, there's potentially going to be plenty of openings. And no, okay, I gave it the old college try and I tried it and I didn't like it. And now I went back Like is the worst case scenario that? Or is the worst case scenario in 15 years, knowing I never really pursued that and I was unhappy for 15 more years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my gosh, I love that. I love that point. So here's my question, because when I was unhappy and tea, well, I won't say unhappy when I started feeling the need to challenge myself more and looking for something outside of teaching, I had no idea about the idea of starting my business. Yet I remember googling. I would be like, what do I want to do? And I remember the idea Daphne. The idea of going back to college and getting a different degree was like soul sucking for me. I was like I just don't want to go back to school, I don't want to take on more debt and go back to college. But I honestly thought and this was probably in like 2014, I thought that was my only option would be go back to college, get a different degree and then pivot somewhere else. So I want to know is that a teacher's only option and, if not, what are the options that are available to them to not go further into debt, taking on more schooling, and still be able to pivot out of the classroom?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's such a good question because it's one of the most common ones and I think it comes from, once again, many of us not generalizing all teachers, but many of us went into teaching as our first profession, like our first real career choice, and teaching is one of the few highly regulated, very tied to your higher education types of careers that you do this certification.
Speaker 1:If, oh if, you even want to raise, you better go and get another master's All of the things that have to do with getting in the classroom. Tell us time and time again we have to go back to these higher education institutes in order to get that career advancement. However, the reason why you would tell someone to go from high school to higher education is because they don't have any career experience. So, from a human resources point of view, if you're looking at someone's resume and they're applying for marketing position but they never had any experience in marketing at all, then you would hope that you'd be able to see some sort of schooling that they've done towards marketing. The difference here is you are a teacher who has established a professional career. You do have experience, but the most important part is being able to strongly articulate how your skills are translating into the roles that you're applying for. So if you're looking for a corporate trainer position, many teachers struggle with this step. So I'm going to kind of jump ahead a little bit. But people struggle and they try and say, like, well, isn't it obvious how a teacher would be a corporate trainer? Obviously there's a lot of overlap here, but what human resources people are looking for are specific examples of when you trained adults. So think about, like those back to school nights when you're training the parents on how to do things. Think about the times that you trained other teachers, even really small groups. Think about any time you were in charge of a grade level team. Look for very clear examples of that specific job and then throw out anything else that isn't relevant. So, anything to do with children specific oh, I mean fourth grade curriculum that's not going to be something they're really looking for. They're looking for those experiences of oh, I was able to differentiate with different audiences. That's something that would be relevant. But same with customer support and customer success. They're not going to care that you were really good with classroom management and I'm so sorry, but they don't care about curriculum design. They don't care about that type of thing, but they do care about learning how you communicated with your parents. Yes, they do care about how you measured whether or not the parents were opening the emails or if you, which not that many teachers do but these are the types of things that we talk about in the course of while you're still in the classroom.
Speaker 1:Here's ways to beef up your resume and talk about what you were doing in a way that human resources, hiring managers, recruiters are going to be able to say oh, you get this job and I can see how your skills translate and that's why you don't have to go back to school or get a masters. You may, depending on the type of position, want to get additional certification not all of them, but there are some jobs, like project management, that are heavily relying on looking for, like PMP certification. Not all of them, but once again, this is the type of stuff that we go kind of deep down in the course of. These are ones that you can do. Here's how you can do it with your teaching experience. Here's ways to do it low cost. And then also here's the ones that are like go to this job first and then you can work your way up towards the other career.
Speaker 2:Yes, and actually I talk about that in my book because so often people forget that that's an option. If you can take a cut and pay but get yourself in the door. It's not like teaching, where there's a set salary and every year you get your $500 bump plus whatever 1% raise they give you the ability to make more money faster is incredible. So if you're willing to just take a small pay cut to get yourself in and then move up, you can. So I love that and I love that you really share the options and you lay out all the cards right, like, look at all the cards on the table. Here are your options, what's gonna work for you, and once you choose that, let's take that path. Is that what you do?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think one of the biggest struggles that people have is they see themselves as a teacher and so they hear okay, well, this teacher went into instructional design. I'm gonna use that as a sample path because that's what I did and it's a popular one for teachers and so people here, instructional design that has like teaching language in the title, or like trainer, learner and development those all have teachers in the title and they think that's gonna be the perfect fit for me because another teacher did it and what's so important to do is really some reflection of what grade did you teach?
Speaker 2:I taught third, fourth and fifth grade, but fifth grade was my favorite.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was a fifth grade teacher too, so with your fifth grade level team, not everyone liked making cutesy like PowerPoint presentations. Not everyone excelled at graphic design. Not everyone as intelligent as all of your team was. Not everyone was probably great with time management or great with tracking the data or loved organizing files, or everybody has their own strengths and their own things inside teaching that they were good at.
Speaker 1:And so, like instructional design will start to ask well, are you excited about using technology? Were you really excited about learning new technology and challenging yourself to adapt and create resources using that technology? And when they say, oh, I actually hated that part. Like, well, instructional design is not gonna be a good fit for you. And then, when it comes to like sales, vast majority of teachers right off the bat will tell you absolutely not, that's not a good fit for me. And then you'll start to talk to them and like career clarity calls and find out well, I'm that type of person that loves watching my data and I get very, extremely motivated on watching the data. I'm also very competitive with myself.
Speaker 1:Maybe they're an athlete, they like the ability to talk to people and help people and a lot of the misconceptions around sales are that you're just like pushing something that you know, what do I have to do to get you in this car today? Or it's very creepy and they don't realize. Well, a lot of sales is talking to someone and saying, hey, here's what we have and, knowing you, listening to what you're saying, making inferences off of what you're saying, this is what I think would be the best fit for you, and this is why and this is how this could help you and it's just a helpful guide.
Speaker 1:But then also there is compensation that goes according to hustle, and some people are very motivated by that.
Speaker 2:I love it. I love it. Oh my gosh, stephanie, you are a world of information for anyone, really mostly teachers, who are interested in kind of just learning more about themselves and what options are available out there. Tell our listeners where they can learn more about you and what you have to offer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you can go to our website at teachercarecouchcom. We have links. There's like a free career quiz you can take. We have a podcast with over 100 episodes. Alison was on one of them. Hopefully by the time you head over there you can listen to our interview. But I talk to former teachers in a variety of positions or share my getting started tips, or talk to therapists, people about advocating for policies to help change teachers. So lots of different subjects, not just leaving teaching, but mostly for those who are really evaluating it and know that there needs to be a change.
Speaker 2:Stephanie, at the end of every interview, we like to ask just three questions to get to know you better. Don't think too much about them. The first one is what is one thing you're looking forward to?
Speaker 1:One thing that I'm looking forward to. So this is the first year that I am having babies, so right now, as we're recording this, I have twins inside of my belly. I am a first time mom, so by the time this airs, hopefully we're looking at two little cuties. So I'm really excited about that journey and seeing how it changes me and my husband and just growing our family is just a really exciting time of our life.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, congratulations. You're going to love it. I hope so, if you're already committed. So the second question is what's one money mistake you've made that you would tell everybody to avoid?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. So I took so long to trust investing. Even after I left the classroom I knew that I needed to supplement my retirement because I was no longer trying to stay dependent on the pension. And right when I got that first role outside of the classroom, I was making a little bit more money and I started to put it in the baby steps. I was trying to put it in high yield savings accounts, but every time I thought about opening up my own 401k or an IRA or even just a regular brokerage account, I was like, oh, the stock market is so sketchy and I didn't really do enough research to trust it. And it took me probably four or five years before I realized, ok, you're not trying to take that money out in six months Like put it in and let it set and let it work for you, and that is one mistake.
Speaker 1:If you have been listening to anyone talking about personal finance, just starting small and knowing this is money that I don't need in the near future, just so you can watch it and get comfortable with it, so that you stop being so nervous. That, I think, is just such a good first step and I wish I would have done it when I was 20 and not 37 years old when I did probably I'm the same way.
Speaker 2:I wish I had started sooner. I think it's totally normal and that's actually get that answer a lot, because it does seem like you use the perfect word sketchy. If you don't know about it, it seems sketchy, so I know a lot of people are going to feel very seen by that answer. The last question isn't a question at all. Just finish this sentence.
Speaker 1:My favorite thing I've ever spent money on is I would say a trip to Europe with my husband last year. I am trying to be less frugal and value time and experiences over saving. I definitely have the money mindset of making sure I have enough money to take care of my family, hopefully not making big money mistakes, but being able to save a very specific amount of money. And taking the time to actually get to Europe was one of the most memorable things that we've ever done and something I'll never forget, and it was truly worth the money.
Speaker 2:So that was wonderful. Oh good, when did you go? What was your favorite spot? Just super fast.
Speaker 1:Hard to say because we did Italy, france and Germany it was our honeymoon. Positano, maybe Because that was my Positano. Italy. That was my dream part and I got my wish.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love it Well, daphne, thank you so much for joining us on the Inspire Budget podcast. I'll link to your podcast and your website down below, and good luck with the twins.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for having me. This has been really fun.
Speaker 2:I hope you enjoyed today's podcast, and if you know a teacher that might be interested in transitioning out of the classroom, be sure to send this episode to them and leave a rating or review. I'll be back next week with another brand new episode. See you then.